Biometric Iris scanner Aoptix Insight VM AB1012C

[@DextersTechLab]

Thanks for the shout out Mike, glad i could help! There's certainly more in there than i expected, the adaptive mirror is very cool. Damd shame we couldn't see it tracking a face & iris.

[@SionynJones]

All your bases are belong to us.

[@simontay4851]

Put a hard drive in it, install windows and try to find drivers tor the hardware. The PC module is just a standard mobile intel chipset. maybe a pentium M and 915GM chipset.

[@kira07]

Irish recognition system? preparing for hard brexit hehe good one

[@fanplant]

20 years ago I came across something like this in an old office being demolished. I tore into it enough to figure out it had 2 cameras that sent the image of the person's face and another of the person's identification to a real person located in a back office. I wondered if it fooled anyone into thinking it was a iris scanner.

[@scottyleics]

Yay Mike is back for his annual video

[@jordanwaeles]

04:30 Nice, I like the idea of an "IRISH recognition"... "Yep, he's Irish, next please"

[@freshsheets_]

I used to work for AOptix in Campbell, CA. I worked in biometrics (iris recognition) although at the time there was a DoD contractor laser comms department as well as a commercial/telecoms department. The biometric department still exists under a new company name in Los Gatos, CA: tascent.com/

[@toko617]

Do you happen to know anything about AOptix deformable mirror driver electronics?

[@setSCEtoAUX]

The "5DX" on the processor board at 21:35 likely indicates it was X-Rayed after assembly by an HP/Agilent/Keysight 5DX X-Ray system. A nice, non-destructive way of inspecting solder joints, especially on BGAs.

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

I was wondering if there's a process to do something like that possibly x-rays?

[@gtjack9]

Had a look at the manufacturers website for that deformable mirror, and now it all makes sense. It needs that mirror to be able to focus the image for the camera as the lens system has a very short depth of field. Meaning micrometer accuracy is required. Here’s an extract from the article. Apart from the transverse spatial resolution, it is often important to very precisely control the magnitude of optical phase changes. The variance of the optical phase change often needs to be far below 1 rad2, sometimes even 0.1 rad2. That corresponds to position deviations far below 1 μm. Particularly for piezo-based actuators, hysteresis and creep phenomena can limit the achieved position. Therefore, low-hysteresis actuators must be chosen, even though they offer tentatively lower stroke

[@nraynaud]

it's an Irish recognition system. It sprays a minute amont of whiskey towards the nose and checks it the pupil dilates.

[@xxportalxx.]

I made an irish drinking joke with an Irishman the other day, their response was a very 21st century remark about racism 🤦‍♂️

[@thecriss88]

Good to see Mike alive

[@anomaly95]

The PC module is COMexpress aka COMe. They are indeed used in a wide swath of products. From medical devices, gaming (Wiliams uses them for their video poker machines, among others), and networking (for switch management or light processing/routing). I'm sure I've left out a few other market segments too.

[@hignaki]

Oh my god, any time there's a new MES video its' a good day

[@superdau]

That thing looked torch sized on the image. What a surprise when Mark stood next to it...

[@springwoodcottage4248]

Always fascinates me as to how much effort goes into things that have such short lives. One sees this endlessly in electronics as new capabilities make the old stuff obsolete & there is enough prosperity & need to be able to discard things very quickly & replace with something else. Perhaps at some point things settle down & product lifetimes increase, but no sign of that happening & if it did the effect on makers of stuff like this would likely lead to huge changes in their business model & the mind set of the business folk & the engineer folk. For now the engineers likely are the crucial parts of these business, key people needing to be treated exceptionally well or they can leave & in endanger the whole enterprise. Must lead to some interesting personal dynamics. Thanks for sharing!

[@xnademolicious]

I can't disagree more. Given their construction, these are obviously built to last for decades. Devices like these are an integral part of the progression. Once a system like this is built and the concept is proven, someone else (or the same company) comes along and realizes "I can achieve this same capability with much less". These are NOT built to be made obsolete. Tthey are made obsolete because of the incredible interconnected collaboration and innovation possible in the modern era. The fact that they can be replaced with more cost effective versions that use high resolution cameras is a GOOD thing - would you prefer 10,000 of these beasts built at cost, or 1,000 of these built and 9,000 built at 10% of the resources/price cost?

[@Wiresgalore]

Slightly off-topic rant; honestly its a damn shame to see the amount of appliances and products being manufactured to simply work until such that they fail and you are expected to land fill it then buy new. Non-replaceable fuses, non-adjustable carburetors, "security fasteners". Even as you stated tech such as this which is typically developed around a niche application will rarely, if at all, see a second life despite all the intricate and fully functional parts that make up the whole. I guess all I can really say is don't be afraid to tinker! Not understanding how mechanical/electrical objects work is the beauty of exploration. Information online is more accessible then ever (thank you aswell Mike). Can't do much harm if you disassemble something which already doesn't work right? You may even find that "Non User-Servicable" appliances can sometimes be repaired (ideally with an understanding of safety... no bubblegum wrappers around fuses... :). Something which all fellow tinkerers can relate to. And in my opinion that lack of knowledge directly correlates to profit margin in the eye of current day manufacturers, whether they like it or not. Unfortunately many brand names we have come to trust, either eventually agree with, or are forced to compete in the market of a throw-away society. I thoroughly enjoy collecting peoples junk and breathing new life into it if possible. Its especially funny when you can tell they want to ask for it back once they see it working again!

[@simonstergaard]

Ahhh, my favorite teardowner is back !

[@SimonCoates]

At the start I thought it was the size of a large pen 😁

[@UberAlphaSirus]

Same.

[@Wiresgalore]

For only the utmost in typography-based decision making

[@Systemrat2008]

Interesting I've used iris scanners where the system included a palm scanner which also fired IR beams to check the hand was connected to a live person via checking the blood was oxygenated. Some also included a weight pad which was fine if you used the system regularly but if you returned say six months later and had lost or added weight someone came out to check your ID.

[@chrisj2848]

Glad to see a new teardown video Mike! Thanks for posting such excellent content.

[@fohdeesha]

Classic mike teardown of some classic niche overengineered gear. Missed these!

[@TilmanBaumann]

Irish recognition. That must be the high-tech backstop solution they are talking about.

[@Wiresgalore]

Glad to see another chapter in the obscure tech chronicles!

[@Chriva]

Never seen his face on his own channel. Cool collab, guys :)

[@simontay4851]

Who's face, mark's or mike's. Mark has a nice face.

[@Chriva]

@@simontay4851 I've seen Mike several times (been following him for years) First time I saw Mark's :)

[@deBug67]

Cool teardown as usual! I allways asumed that that the image machines at airport imigration stations was simply face cameras. I never would have guessed that they might image the Iris on me. Privacy wise it is bad enough that thay sample your DNA and take your fingerprint at US imigrations. Anyway. I enjoyed this one. Thank you for sharing!

[@MoritzvonSchweinitz]

As far as I know, thy do not sample DNA?

[@deBug67]

@@MoritzvonSchweinitz You have to blow in to a tube at immigration. I assume this is a DNA test from the Saliva.

[@davenally8672]

It's an Irish detection system. Displays a picture of a potato and scans for pupil dilation.

[@ClassicalRips]

Ooo, glad to see another teardown from you!

[@MrJef06]

Very neat modular power supply 👍

[@dalerobinsuk]

PSU looks very similar to the Astec MVP series, looking online it seems Emerson now make them. Great power supplies, but a pain to replace the capacitors on some versions (Modules soldered on earlier versions) 2010 onward sounds about correct, but a couple of those boards in that unit looked a lot older, especially looking at the design on the axial capacitors and IC's, I wonder if they had a load of old stock or were these things retrofitted with updates at any point. Seems a bit of a mixture.

[@mikeselectricstuff]

I saw Astec on at least one of the PCBs in the PSU

[@justinlynn]

They use machines like these (same user interface mechanical design) for automated passport control at Sydney International Airport, if I recall the design properly. Cool tear down.

[@PEQTEK]

I first thought that was like the same kind of a handheld scanner they have in Men In Black movies... Turned out to be slightly bigger though.

[@c31979839]

That thing is enormous!

[@soupisgoodfood42]

Very cool. I took apart an old fundus camera system (for retina examination) which has a lot of beam-splitting action etc. to send illumination down the same path as the film camera and CCD optical path. Mirrors not quite a fancy, though.

[@DMSparky]

Wow that’s a mind blowingly expensive piece of kit. That’s so much engineering into one low volume relatively obsolete piece of expensive kit.

[@TheEPROM9]

Would explan why you have to take your glasses off for them to image you at the airport, although this one does not look like the ones pasenjers go though. Probaly used for staff for the super secret squirrial areas.

[@christopherleubner6633]

The wavefront corrector is very similar to the one that is used for the monitoring optics for use with mapping on the cornea with lasik surgery 🤓

[@haroldtplopps]

you would be tempted into turning the casing into a mr fusion gin dispenser

[@Ellipsis780]

The focusing system probably produces an interference pattern when illuminated by the particular frequency/wavelength of that IR illumination panel.

[@johnpossum556]

Interesting find. Your voice has gotten a lot calmer, too. Makes your videos much higher quality.

[@zorgatron8998]

I lol'ed at Irish Recognition.

[@RobinReiter]

If I recall correctly the position sensing of that XY mirror is pretty similar to how they sense a 3D CAD Mouse like the 3DConnexion models.

[@iosonogerva1989]

Maybe the siliconed connector was screwed from inside the case, it was very hard to service it and the service guy just used silicone to put it back. The top mirror sensing maybe is work just like those cheap sharp ir distance sensor

[@sanches2]

now that i've been in the automotive electronics for 8 years , this level of despoilment seems obscene to me, but i love it :)

[@murrayedington]

Excellent stuff - thanks for posting!

[@RedFathom]

looks like an old 478/479 series processor. maybe le82gle960 chipset? love those little industrial computers.

[@yellowcrescent]

(misread your comment at first as "486/487" for some reason.. lol) yep... It's a Core 2 Duo @ 2.2GHz from circa 2006.

[@Zizzily]

Best I can tell, it's a Core2 Duo T7500 on a GME 965 Express chipset on a Kontron ETXexpress-MC.

[@TheEPROM9]

Those three way DB connectors look like what I am looking for, for my IBM 5150 expansion bay. Any way i can get them off of you. Quite an intresting bit of kit to. Some nice cameras & optics to play with in there.

[@hasansawan4970]

That big mirror can make a nice, quite PTZ system (With relatively narrow angular range)

[@MrPlytiger]

I wonder is the optics similar to the high speed object tracking system "si tracker 2" they use for filming projectiles and other high speed things /watch?v=vluzeaVvpU0 I am sure the heavy mirror on front wouldn't be an issue as long as it was well timed with the firing.

[@gtjack9]

MrPlytiger Those systems are mostly guessing where the projectile is based on the measured muzzle velocity, you could probably use this mirror but the angular range on this isn’t very high so it would need to be quite far away from the projectile to track it for any meaningful distance.

[@MoritzvonSchweinitz]

Do modern iris scanners also use such a funky optic path, or do they simply rely on super high resolution sensors? Edit: Mike also mentions that they use high-res sensors nowadays.

[@alittlebitintellectual7361]

The latter as i found Out from a Smartphone today

[@kilrahvp]

A little bit Intellectual your smartphone has an iris scanner? Never heard of one.

[@MoritzvonSchweinitz]

@@kilrahvp There have been Android phones with iris scanners available for a couple of years now. It's not THAT big of a deal, as long as you get a decent quality image of the iris. Please note that retina scanners are a completely different beast, of course.

[@Stabby666]

Looks like a pretty thick PCB on the back of the mirror!

[@chrisw1462]

"...not useful for high speed laser scanning.." That would depend on how far out you're scanning... :-)

[@topkek_]

You're awesome. Mike!

[@FlakeSE]

Well this certainly seems more robust then the stuff they had at my gym around that same time, probably a hell of a lot more accurate as well.

[@Hshn-vm1ow]

good evening a renault zoe with inverter peb defective, I made a good used one, unfortunately it doesn't work, you can help me

[@oetken007]

I do not understand why this channel does "only" have 98.800 followers...

[@Paarrad]

From the pictures it looks like 15cm long... and this come up, hehehe

[@AgentOffice]

Yeah i thought it was handheld lol

[@daveb5041]

*AN IRISH scanner? What does it measure your BAC or how pale your skin is* ? Or maybe it detects when you say tree instead of three?

[@linagee]

Way too inaccurate. It pricks your finger and does a quick genetic test.

[@NilsJakobson]

What would be the price for such complex device back in a day? I am guessing some very serious people were involved if this thing was built.

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

If you have to ask it's too much to pay.

[@rosco4659]

Beautiful piece of kit

[@TheBertjeT]

Any of these going on the wall of PCB's?

[@mikeselectricstuff]

I don't have enough wall for all the PCBs I want to put on a wall

[@TheBertjeT]

@@mikeselectricstuff There is always the outside wall :p

[@simontay4851]

Try the ceiling as well.

[@xpepos]

Have you tried hooking up a VGA monitor to that external output?

[@mikeselectricstuff]

Yes, as I said in the video..

[@linagee]

@@mikeselectricstuff Have you tried monitoring the serial output? Often time on these embedded devices, they do BIOS POST stuff to serial.

[@jhonbus]

@@linagee This ain't his first rodeo...

[@TheLambLive]

What,,, it's not a Quantel Paintbox ??... 😅

[@ICanDoThatToo2]

What chips were on the computer module? If you don't want to look them up, at least get a clear shot so we can look them up.

[@Zizzily]

Best I can tell, it's a Core2 Duo T7500 on a GME 965 Express chipset on a Kontron ETXexpress-MC.

[@Muonium1]

heeyyaayyyyyy!! new mes video!

[@Muonium1]

@Tom MikesElectricStuff

[@jakp8777]

How much did you win this for?

[@cambridgemart2075]

You can find out from ebay; hint, it was incorrectly listed as Aoptic instead of Aoptix.

[@vincei4252]

nice. holy shit that is huge.

[@thingsmadebyjoe]

What’s the name of the ebay seller mike?

[@ohnoitisnt]

From an episode of the amp hour a while back "My ebay list will die with me" Looks like youll have to find out for yourself :P

[@phillystein25]

Come on, if you are smart enough to be watching this vid you can work this out in less than 5 mins. It starts with a C

[@DextersTechLab]

@@phillystein25 Shhhh! ;-)

[@Stefan_Payne]

So its a T7600?? A Core 2 Duo?? So the Chipsets is, I presume, something like an 965 or 963 or other variants thereof. Its easy to identify, just put the number in Google and you get it.

[@TheEPROM9]

That is the CPU gen I was thinking from when it came arounf & the chipset, both north & south bridge on there. Rules out any of the i range of CPUs as they don't have a north bridge chip. I only know the PC stuff because I use to be a PC nerd back in the day.

[@Zizzily]

Best I can tell, it's a Core2 Duo T7500 on a GME 965 Express chipset on a Kontron ETXexpress-MC.

[@addisme7561]

Mike, Mike, Mike, You didn’t even fire up the mini PC, I’m sure you’ve got an LCD for it, come on do a follow up, you know you want to.

[@AureliusR]

As he said, literally in the first few mins of the video, he already tried that. Do people even watch the videos they comment on anymore?

[@linagee]

He could have tried to trick the original manufacturer into linking him to the drive image, but all the engineers at the company (that aren't already out of a job) probably already know MES.

[@1st_ProCactus]

I bet an ESP8266 could do it :D 1200Watts holyshit

[@AgentOffice]

Great tool for a dictator

[@jofridz]

Will it play Doom?

[@trickyrat483]

The little PIC micro on the back of the PC board could probably play Doom! The real question is: can it play Crysis? :)

[@trickyrat483]

All those lenses.. Reminds me of the new iPhone 11. :)

[@liamtaylor3576]

Oh no. Ugliest phone I've ever seen 😂 Actually...no I take that back the huawei mate 30 is the ugliest

[@hateercenor]

An unshielded ribbon cable crimp daub is not really high quality. I bet that the connector is plastic.

[@peternureiner4205]

This rather looks like a blitzer

[@pacman2k1]

great a new video!!!! :)

[@FrozenHaxor]

Too bad you couldn't get it running. Bastards stole the drive.

[@TheEPROM9]

From a security standpoint, this is the right thing to do, to meany HDD's with sensertive data falling into the wrong hands these days.

[@simontay4851]

Put another old spare HDD in it and install windows then try to find drivers. The PC module is just a standard mobile intel chipset.

[@liamtaylor3576]

How the heck did samsung manage to shrink all this into their phones?!

[@mojoblues66]

By copying the iPhone of course.

[@TheFreshSpam]

Microprocessors, lots of microprocessors

[@hasansawan4970]

Adaptive optics goodness

[@ledhunters]

More, mooore, man.

[@Wiresgalore]

You can't rush genuine and unique program :) Else it becomes diluted and akward viewing fodder, ya know?

[@ledhunters]

@@Wiresgalore 6 video in last 12 months! Are you saying Mike can't do better than that?

[@rishav4343]

your voice changes

[@eliotmansfield]

shiply.com - recently got a 13.5m telescopic mast (2.5m closed) collected for less than the fuel of collecting myself (£70)

[@Razor2048]

Why would a company want one of those machines? They tend to price gouge for equipment like that, e.g., it likely cost $500 to make but they likely wont do a reasonable $600 retail, instead they will gouge with some outrageous price.

[@gtjack9]

Razor2048 there is no way that cost less than $10,000 to design and manufacture. There are so many expensive components as well as multiple CNC components. The lenses were from Germany and that huge, first surface mirror as well. This was also made 10 years ago, it would have been the peak of fast and efficient iris scanning at the time. They probably retailed it for around $50,000.

[@robdavy4468]

It's all about the size of the market. Lets assume your numbers are right (I'm not sure they are) and they can make them for $500 in parts and labour. How many do you think they can sell? Maybe 1,000? The market isn't very big for something like this, it's very specialized. So they make 1,000 x $100 profit by selling them for $600, which is $100,000. That's literally nothing. That doesn't even pay for 1 engineer for a year, or someone to answer the phone to provide tech support.

[@LawrenceTimme]

You should probably read basic economics XD

[@linagee]

That PC board itself is probably $500, if not twice that.

[@moki123g]

The optics section alone is easily 10K. I would be surprised if the complete pedestal ready to install was less than 100k.

[@dimitar4y]

Could remake this entire thing with an arduino and a few odd pieces nowadays.

[@Konecny_M]

Yeah. Rrrright. Go show everyone how it is supposed to be done.

[@psydemekum]

Yea there is a project called Eye Lock arduinos, a Raspberry Pi 3 and a logitech webcam, done

[@psydemekum]

oh that's only face recognition. for iris you have to remove the IR filter from a camera. also many projects online like Iris Recognition on Zybo

[@linagee]

Naw, Samsung has had IRIS scanners in phones since S8. Just trick all your users into paying huge amounts of money for phones to subsidize your R&D costs. Mike is correct about "just use a camera with more megapixels".

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

LOL LOL LOL :-)

[@dimitar4y]

as usual, ridiculously over-engineered with parts that look like they belong to a prototype bench, not a finished product... then they add few zeros on the back of the price tag to excuse their lack of engineering prowess... oh well

[@scream221]

Not finished.... To get it nice, compact and cheaper you need to invest a lot more money which you can't earn back when your product isn't sold in big enough quantities. So in the end you would have to sell you nice "finished" product for the same or even a higher price to get back the extra investment. That's how it goes with such niche products.

[@gtjack9]

They probably made less than 50 of these, it was probably more a proof of concept and trialed in certain locations as it would have been extremely expensive to make the one we saw in high numbers.

[@dimitar4y]

@@gtjack9 I don't know about this particular unit, but there's a *LOT* of startup companies that mass produce units grossly overengineered and overly expensive like this in the thousands to tens of thousands.

[@johnneybot9542]

boring !

[@bmay8818]

You most definitely are!

[@Wiresgalore]

Thank you for your honest, subjective, opinion. You may now close this this browser tab and move along to a more personally conducive viewing experience

[@aaronbrandenburg2441]

No not boring it really exciting XD even.