Bishop Barron on The Last Acceptable Prejudice

Another part of a video series from Wordonfire.org. Bishop Barron will be commenting on subjects from modern day culture. For more visit www.wordonfire....

[@bheadh]

I live in The South, where there are Baptist Churches on every other block, there are alot of Catholics too.A few years back,we had a man that would stand across the street from Church EVERY(for a year)Sunday with large signs"woe-ing"the evils of Catholicism. I prayed briefly & approached him with my brother.We answered all of his"disputes" with him by pointing out his common held myths about Catholicism are FALSE. He never came back.The Grace of God & trying to KNOW MY FAITH helped tremendously

[@marianserra8371]

I'm a Californian expat Catholic whom lives in Alabama. After 30 years it's still difficult. My daughter however, married a Catholic and my grandchildren all attend Catholic Schools.

[@lalaithan]

Perhaps he never came back because he converted!

[@johnstone7758]

Live in Nelson County? lmao

[@scott6504]

Thank you for standing up for our Faith.

[@BishopBarron]

God bless you for that. Thanks very much for the prayers.

[@candiceazzara8877]

I went back to being Catholic and love it so much!!!!

[@mikelarsonmusicman]

Me too!!

[@markpalka6382]

Bishop Robert Barron is BOTH a bona fide Christian AND a Catholic; although not Catholic myself, I would highly recommend that people listen to him, but too many non-Catholics have the wrong ideas about the Catholic Church, which is too bad!

[@franciscoabreu4893]

Catholics are Christians

[@marianserra8371]

Thanks, all that was nice to hear.

[@soapboxearth2]

i was talking to a kid at work about God.he said he was atheist and added that it perplexed him how christianity is the one religion that it is ok to bash while people are very careful to be politically correct regarding other faiths...i said maybe the devil attacks it because its real... i brought him a bible.

[@sketchartist1964]

+soapboxearth2 You gave him the right answer!

[@joanlynch5271]

I am a cradle catholic and I am so tired of the negative vibes from protestants. Lord give me strength!!

[@spaceslav8954]

Greetings from a Catholic from the Czech Republic 🇨🇿. The country with the largest percentage of atheists in the world.

[@nonfecittaliter4361]

Why is that? The communist dictatorship (like in East Germany) had something to do with that, I presume?

[@Kitiwake]

@@nonfecittaliter4361 yeah... And look at the place...a moral desert.

[@AlrightMiami]

"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

[@johnmills9388]

As a person who is not Catholic, I believe we should all be supportive of Christians everywhere. The world sees a caricature of Christianity and part of this is on us as Christians. We must stop squabbling among ourselves and show the love of Jesus to the world.

[@RomanusVII]

John Mills Yes, indeed. But learn also, Christians have turned against their own kin. As Catholics, we are practically spat on, by everyone. All kinds of people; Protestants, Atheists, Muslims, Jews. They circle around Rome and utter all sorts of evil. I’m sure you may know this feeling, even if you aren’t Catholic. Am I wrong?

[@tomata182]

Father you are doing a service to the Church and to God. Keep posting! God bless you!

[@BishopBarron]

@Nemesis000000 Oh yeah, Bill Maher is such an example of unbiased judgment! Give me a break.

[@bluewren2]

Thank you Fr Baron you are a marvelous courageous person,and I enjoy your words very much.May God continue to Bless you and your ministry mightily. Amen.

[@nellahashimoto1342]

Thank you Fr Barron. We need you and we need your words. Love your programs ad your encouragement. Learning a lot. God bless ad keep you forever. Thank you

[@GregAitchison]

I completely agree with this analysis. Anti-Catholicism (and anti-Christianity as a whole) is alive and well. I am constantly shocked at the comments posted on KZbin videos and online news articles that pertain to Christianity, the Church, abortion, or any other "controversial" moral teaching. It's amazing how much "tolerance" they preach for everything and everyone EXCEPT for Christianity. When it comes to Jesus, the Church, etc., INtolerance is the name of the game.

[@johnsheedy461]

Who is hated ? Catholics and the Catholic church are hated. Jesus said his followers would be hated---thank you for proving HIM right ! This assures me again just as when HE said to St. Peter, the head of the apostles, "behold I am with YOU all days, even unto the consummation of the world. Thanks again haters !

[@Miriana727]

I am reading JESUS OF NAZARETH at the moment. Pope Emeritus Benedict is a wonderful theologian and, I think, a very spiritual person. I wish him good health.

[@tommore3263]

I am so grateful for the profound insights into the actual, divine and personal depths of our very being. I wonder how people get by without understanding Aquinas' final cause.. the end and purpose of all within us.

[@willettejackson979]

You've got it bishop. Stand firm our ground our belief system in love and conviction.

[@inadunham4034]

Well said message that is good today as was 10 years ago. I pray that the Christian faith once again grows, strengthens our hearts and minds🙏🏼

[@1sola1verita40]

Thank you Bishop Barron for your clear teachings, and for dealing systematically with the various attacks on Catholicism.... there will always be those who oppose our faith, but the wisdom of God permits this. In some odd way, persecution of any kind is necessary for our spiritual growth

[@idicula1979]

We all have prejudice, we must be open and radically honest in our objective to clarify our subjective.

[@poslla64]

I love being a catholic and having an intimate relationship with Jesus. I believe unfortunately we will always have people that hate us because they do not want to look at themselves and there own misgivings. We may have to someday have to go as far as the apostle's to martyrdom for the love of our church. May we be so privileged.

[@Nonamearisto]

If that is true, every school department in the US which shifts around teachers accused of abuse or molestation should be labeled as criminal... and that's pretty much all of them! Shifting an accused person to a position where they can do no harm while an investigation is going on protects both the accuser and the accused. It also punishes those who are unjustly accused of crimes they did not commit.

[@BishopBarron]

@JaneAlex09 Oh but the Pope has done much more than simply apologize. There have been major structural changes in the church in response to the scandal. Just take a look at the Dallas Accords from 2002 in order to see how the church in this country responded. Also, last year, there were precisely six priests credibly accused of child abuse--in a church of 70,000,000 Catholics and in a coterie of 45,000 priests. Things are getting substantially better.

[@yeln4tsmusic]

I needed to see this. I'm a Catholic in a small town. But, out of the 900 kids in my high school, only 60 are Catholic. I'm constantly being made fun of because my Faith. I also hear the classic, "You're the devil because of the fact you're Catholic. You think you're perfect." Which isn't true at all, and I don't think I'm perfect. Because I'M NOT. I just don't get it. The prejudice against Catholics is truly the last acceptable prejudice.

[@inferno0020]

Vicious individuals exist in every social institute, and only the worst cowards will blame humans' all problems on one religion.

[@Angelwise11]

Well said Fr. Robert. You would be the most awesome dinner-party guest.

[@JeffersonDinedAlone]

Regardless of what you may, or may not, think of any particular religion, I trust that you are very patient, as you will have to wait a very long time.

[@wonkothesane8691]

As a Protestant desiring to convert to Catholicism, I find the debate can be both enlightening and divisive. I personally seek to follow the Lord via the tenants, traditions, doctrines and dogma of the Catholic church. I believe these are, by and large, founded on the Holy Bible. Is Catholicism a perfect denomination? No. Is Protestantism a perfect denomination? No. Should these two denominations be engaged in "holy war" with one another? No. If we are, who is triumphant? Who is served? God? No, He weeps at this. Is mankind served? No. Mankind is embittered and decimated by this struggle. Let me have an end on it, "There is neither Jew, nor Greek, Scythian, nor slave, free nor bond, man or woman; but Christ is all and in all." I'm paraphrasing. But I trust I have made my point. I follow Christ, first, last and always. He has drawn me to the Catholic church, this is all Him, and none of me. He knows my needs, and I will find His provision for filling them there. If you are a Protestant, and that is where He leads you, then God bless and keep you, go in peace. Churches and denominations may change, God does not. Can I get an "Amen"?

[@trishknaut1031]

Praise God for you Bishop! I pray God will let me tell you my biblical cognitive thesis that can explain the prejudice and sex scandals to tell Pope Francis to heal God's hurting family!

[@christopherhennessey8991]

Proud to be Catholic.

[@BishopBarron]

@Roper122 Who's denying that it's a major problem? And why would you put "the sexual abuse scandal" in scare quotes? It's a terrible scandal, which undermines the work of the church in every way. Again, who's denying any of this?

[@nextchannelnext8890]

The Real Character of HIS Catholic Church Shared to all of us is Fatherly. Eternal

[@BishopBarron]

@Mystagogia87 But friend, read the whole book and tell me that there is not a steady polemic against religion in general and Catholicism in particular.

[@einsteindarwin8756]

People start wars over religion.

[@BishopBarron]

@@einsteindarwin8756 Come on, friend. That's such a tired observation. Consult the statistics: something like 2-3% of all wars can be attributed to religion. In the twentieth century, for example, the great atheist regimes piled up tens of millions of corpses.

[@EPU01]

I am so glad I watched this, while I am a funny Catholic, this still spoke to me, as do most of your videos. Thank you so much for all of this.

[@braddyboy82]

Father Barron: Write a book about this stuff, and cite your sources. I would love to read it. You're great, and you make the concepts and bedrocks of Christian religion clear to existentialists like me. Keep up the good work! :) I will never be a Christian, but at the same time, I can understand and respect Fr. Barron's commentary. Very insightful and he's given me much food for thought.

[@simonferet]

very true and well said, Father

[@Gothelittle]

Any amount of sexual abuse is unacceptable, of course. But I (a Protestant) would like to point out that the level of priestly sexual abuse is nothing compared to what you will find in the public school system.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "...anti-catholic sentiment is responsible for the backlash that the Church is experiencing". This is a good example of what is, IMO, the difficulty of communicating with you. I never said anti-Catholic sentiment is responsible for the backlash experienced by the Church. In fact, I said that anger was an appropriate response to the facts of sexual abuse within the Church.

[@englishrose6627]

I am a convert to.the Catholic.Church after.i read.Jesus.words ".this is my.body ... and.this. i s my. blood". He who eats of.these.i will raise.them up." .I.have had.a.dreadful.traumatic.life and I wanted to get as close.to.Jesus as possible.

[@BishopBarron]

@Roper122 Well then, friend, I'll confess that I have no idea what your original post was meant to convey? I

[@rosangelaoliveira166]

Me too! Thanks GOD!!!

[@wjm5972]

+Rosangela Silva me three

[@koollikesnow]

‎"People who don't like having their beliefs laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "mishandling" Yep, there was a mishandling of the sin that was, arguably, almost as bad as the original sin that caused a problem that needed to be handled in the first place. What a mess! And the Church SHOULD be held accountable, as it has. The members of the Church who engaged in this behavior have been exposed, the crimes brought to light, justice dealt, lessons learned, and reforms instituted.

[@FaithandReason101]

proving the good father right after all.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "across all churches" The problem isn't that sexual abuse occurs in churches, the problem is broader than that. The problem is that sexual abuse is rampant in society and from society is where the churches get their members. Fighting the problem at the root is far more effective than cutting off branches.

[@BishopBarron]

@ascott251 But he's not guilty of a crime!

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 I don't think you are "listening". I didn't say that there weren't members of the Church who sinned. I also didn't say that there wasn't mishandling of the situation by those who were in leadership positions. In hindsight, the decisions made were poor ones, which prolonged and exacerbated the situation and were morally questionable.

[@Roper122]

@hiswife2002 " I have nothing to defend myself FOR in this conversation " - Nope, but you must be able to defend your position... and I'm happy for you to admit that you can't. " it's not where I'm coming from " - Agreed, being able to defend your position is clearly not where you're coming from.

[@xtrashed]

One of your best videos Father. Well said on the new athiests.

[@newrev9er]

@Roper122 I want to mention that I firmly believe there are certain cardinals and bishops that should be charged for aiding these abusive priests. And there are more who should at least be laicized, for other reasons (I don't know if you 've heard of Cardinal Sodano?). I just don't understand why people are giving Pope Benedict such a hard time. He was one of the few people in the Church who clearly and persistently worked to dismantle the system of abuse. It strikes me as a gross injustice.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "Bottom Line: The catholic church appointed men who they deemed worthy of trust and some of these men sexually abused children. People were outraged... and after attempting to cover it up for years, the church eventually was forced to deal with it." Agreed.

[@newrev9er]

@Roper122 Absolutely that's not the general interpretation among most critics of the letter. And yes, of course people are justified in raising their questions. If one didn't know that the Pontifical Secret absolutely does not prevent bishops from reporting abusers to the police, then one might conclude that Ratzinger intended to cover up abuses ...which is where this whole misunderstanding got started I think.

[@yeln4tsmusic]

That is truly amazing!

[@Apacalola]

@ned262626 The reasons for U.S. Department of Education disclaimer concerning Charol Shakeshaft's report on sexual abuse is in the preface: "It is important to note some of the Department’s reservations about the findings in the literature review. Specifically, the author focuses in large measure on a broad set of inappropriate behaviors designated as sexual misconduct rather than sexual abuse" Note that this initial disclaimer refers only to "some of the Departments reservations".

[@hiswife2002]

@AnAngelOfMercy How do I feel personally about the RC faith? It is, quite simply, my salvation. I would never, ever abandon His Church because sin.....my own or other's. It is analogous to leaving my family because I or one of us has sinned. Unthinkable.

[@BishopBarron]

Not much of an argument there, friend.

[@ChachiTelevision1979]

A yesteryears poet named Peter Viereck called the anti-Catholic rhetoric to be "the thinking man's anti-semitism." Not suggesting that Catholics are being lined up, but the prejudice against Catholics (and not just Catholics--protestants too) is extremely acceptable...and even many times encouraged.

[@AndrewScott30847]

@wordonfirevideo Hmmm...I made no claim that he was guilty of a crime. In fact I specifically stated that I do not assume him to be guilty of anything. I merely remarked that IF he was found guilty of a crime, the fact that he enacted favorable policies within the church would not "absolve him of blame" as the initial comment stated. Or have I misunderstood the point JaneAlex09 made?

[@stephenandersen4625]

Because of the political and dynastic parts of the Reformation, particularity in what is now the UK, Catholicism was equated with disloyalty (or divided loyalties) in the English-speaking world. I thought we had gotten past that... and at least we have from most of our fellow people of faith. The New Atheists and the Nones can be a discouragingly scary lot. One sad note, if you read US anti-Catholic rhetoric from the 1820s to 1850s and substitute the word Muslim for Catholic it reads the same.

[@stephenandersen4625]

Michael Montague a very thoughtful rejoinder. I am quaking in my boots at the power of your intellectual faculties. How could I have ever been so deluded? I must give up all I have and follow the man who can't spell my name right. (find a ridiculous dense? what?)

[@stephenandersen4625]

BlindTom61 i though was obscenity and adverbs. ;-)

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 Why is it a question of making me happy? Why isn't it a question of telling the truth? If I misunderstand, then it is your obligation to make yourself clearer. As far as I'm concerned, society HAS come along in bringing sexual abuse to the light, putting in place protections and keeping children safe. There's a long way to go, but any step forward is positive.

[@thoughtadventure100]

I see a larger trend in society. Instead of giving the best understanding of the opponents point of view and then addressing it, often people caricature the opposing point of view and ridicule the caricature. This does not help the search for truth. I think anti-Catholicism is able do thrive so well because so few Catholics are equipted to express their faith well.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "sentiment" It cannot be called prejudice to tell the truth. It CAN be called prejudice to distort or exxagerate the facts or to spread hatred.

[@00zzzyy]

n 2001, while he was a cardinal, Ratzinger issued a vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety. The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 (con't 3)4. Some direct questions: Do you believe the Church should acknowledge when there has been criminal activity among her members? Has the Church done this? Do you believe the Church should remain silent in the face of accusations which are untrue, even if those accusations touch upon, or refer to, activity already acknowledged as proven true? Are defense against false accusations and acknowledgment of proven wrong-doing mutually exclusive?

[@Gothelittle]

@zztestenglish - I don't mind your asking. :) My church is a nondenominational independent group with a pastor who graduated from a Baptist seminary. We're kind of half-Calvinist, Bible-preaching, with a heavy emphasis on missions and helping others through hard work and charity. We replace roofs for the local low-income families and send construction teams to help overseas. Indeed, nobody is righteous. I condone none of it, but neither do I condemn Catholicism for it.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 To sum things up in the hope of clarity: 1. If I misunderstood one or several of your posts, I apologize for the confusion. 2. Individual priests have been found guilty of sexual abuse of minors. The Church has been found to be complicit in the cover-up in some of these cases.

[@montyburns2266]

Dude I love God, chillax

[@boyscout21]

Father I am so glad you made this video because countless times I have had this discussion with friends and I find myself bombarded with their arguments concerning the apparent lack of "transparency" in the church. Where would you suggest someone to go to find a record of all the work the church is doing to combat this terrible wrong? Thank you and God bless you.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "50 years ago" I doubt it. I'm pretty sure I would have said what I would say if you told me the Church will still be struggling with abusive priests 50 years from now, which is that I hope and pray that is not the case but, regardless, the Church's teachings remain the truth handed down to us from Jesus whether those who commit to uphold those teachings are sinners or are not sinners.

[@hiswife2002]

@bayreuth79 (con't 2) You cannot condemn the leaders of the Inquisition as despicable without condemning all of society at that time, from low to high, as well. To do so is not only illogical, it is an example of prejudice.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "only man" I don't know if he's the ONLY man who could do the job; that's up to the Holy Spirit. I do think he's uniquely qualified to provide direction for resolution of these issues in a way that is fair, just, and consistent with Catholic teaching given his previous position and his tireless fight to remove those credibly accused.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "Which particular part of the scandal would you like to defend?" I would like to defend the part where the Church as a whole is condemned for the actions of a few. I would like to defend the part that is exaggerated and distorted by anti-Catholic sentiment. I would like to defend the thousands and thousands and thousands of priests and bishops who give their lives in the service of others.

[@Roper122]

@BalladoftheWindfish .. No, I'm not treating the Catholic church as one governing body. It is an organization, and all catholic priests operate under that banner. You seem to think that because someone was abused in another country that therefore it's no big deal to the headquarters of the church. You are sadly mistaken. And as for the fact that it's improved...again I say... after worldwide condemnation and outrage things have improved... excuse me if I'm not handing out medals.

[@anthtan]

Looks like a DVD series behind you on the shelf, Father. Care to tells us what it is?

[@newrev9er]

@Roper122 - I believe what I'm saying. - I said people were justified in raising questions, I never said suspicion is unjust. - I don't see how what the rest of the world believes has any bearing on the point. I've given you several explanations of the contenet of the letter, and I still haven't seen any counter argument from you except for fallacious appeals to the majority. -As for oppinions, those should be informed by facts, not fantasy. -Why not fix the problem instead?

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "...anti-catholic sentiment is responsible for the backlash that the Church is experiencing". (con't) What I said was driven by anti-Catholic sentiment is the exaggeration and distorition of facts seen in some reports through the media. "...blame any accusation...." I never said any accusation was the result of anti-Catholic prejudice at all.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 More insinuation. Nowhere did I EVER say that pedophilia should be covered up, ignored, winked at, assisted or otherwise aided and abetted. That is YOUR unfounded addition to the words I wrote. You are trying to make a correlation between pointing out the research necessary to have a comprehensive understanding of the problem and a lack of concern for victims. That is not only illogical, it's inflammatory and deliberately provacative. To what end?

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 Bottom line: for whatever reason, it's on your agenda to portray the Church in as negative a light as possible, even if that means omitting truthful facts.

[@havock89]

@zztestenglish And the goal of ecumenism is for them to become Catholic. Thanks for the convo.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "I don't care" Your actions bely that statment! "there are those who would argue that Ratzinger..." So what? Every public person has enemies. That doesn't mean they are criminals. To simply repeat and repeat and repeat that there are those who suspect the Pope of a crime is a very good example of why I asked you the question that I did.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "if any of them covered it up, then they allowed it" I don't think so. There is always a degree of autonomy in any organization, especially one that is as big as the Church. It is not logical to assume that every directive was made with the support, implicit or explicit, of all other members of the organization.

[@hiswife2002]

@bayreuth79 (con't 3) Conversos were those people, generally Muslim, who, in accordance with the law, converted to Catholicism. Plenty of the conversos converted and were peaceful, law-abiding citizens. They were not targets of the Inquisition. Others, however, made very public "conversions" while continuing to work with Muslim forces behind closed doors, providing intelligence to the Muslim armies and subverting national security.

[@Roper122]

@newrev9er .. Sounds like he did read the letter. Of course, it's his right to be the first person to read it, and to read it behind closed doors, and not to let you know what he thought of it, for at least 10 years after you become an adult... no, wait.

[@scotte4765]

While I don't condone prejudice toward anyone, calling anti-Catholicism the "last acceptable prejudice" is self-serving, presumptuous, and simply false. Try running for higher office in the U.S. as an open atheist and see how well you do against equally qualified religious candidates. Religion still holds an unjustifiably privileged position in much of this society.

[@hiswife2002]

@hiswife2002 (con't 4) These conversos were the target of the Inquisition. It is unthinkable to us today to have no seperation of church and state (and indeed, it is a situation ripe for corruption), but there was no separation as such in medieval times. The actions of the double agent conversos was anlogous to a person coming to America from a foreign country, swearing allegiance to America and then cooperating with anti-American forces

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "boring and time consuming." Then why do you continue? Again, I say to you......state what you are saying clearly and I will respond to what you write. If you feel I've misinterpreted, which is always possible, then point out why instead of using that mistake to point out why I, or others, are so dense.

[@Entropy3ko]

@GideonsKnight I'd add also that you might need to pick your battles. Anyway you might want to challenge your teachers in class if you are up to it (although you might made an enemy... so beware ), so that he has to explain and defend his views against your criticism in public and not in private. Some professors think themselves as the carriers of pure truth, an enlightment to the 'poor ignorant students'... they need a good lesson and a good humbling.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 So, then, show me where I pick and choose. If not between truth and lies, then between what and what? If you pick, if you choose, it pre-supposes a minimum of two possibilities.

[@hiswife2002]

@bayreuth79 (con't) This "justice", conducted without lawyer, trial or judge, was based on popular opinion and consisted of torture and almost certain death to not only the accused, but to anyone who opposed this system of "justice". The establishment of the Inquisition was to bring a fair system of justice, one where evidence was presented and a trial was conducted.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "Nowhere did I ever say that." Please show by verbatim quote where you have included mention of the Church reforms and their efficacy in your posts. "elegant out" I don't see anything either "elegant" or an "out" about revealing a deep-seated prejudice that obsesses on negatives. "organizations" That is changing, thank God.

[@BishopBarron]

@koollikesnow I know. Secularism is such a silly ideology. I shouldn't laugh at it, but I can't help myself.

[@hiswife2002]

@bayreuth79 (con't 2)Additionally, a central aim of the Inquisition was to convince and convert rather than simply to punish, as was the province of the secular courts. Another aim of the Inquisition was to protect both church teaching and nation. Secondly, why do you not mention the conversos of the Spanish Inquisition (which is what most people refer to, or think they know about, when mentioning the Inquisition)?

[@Mr._Anderpson]

While I'm certain the things Bishop Barron said are true, I don't think one could find 7 states in the US in which Catholics are forbidden by law to hold political office. The same cannot be said of atheists. A bit of perspective always helps.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 " yup and when this happens, your organization loses credibility and respect... whether you like it or not." I can understand and accept that. It is a normal immediate reaction to a situation which is so disturbing. But those who are intellectually honest will do their research and make sure of the facts before making statements. And to spread hatred for an entire organization and it's members is not a withholding of respect as much as it is an active spread of prejudice.

[@Roper122]

@hiswife2002 " If you can't look back through my statements and see the mention of the victims " - Here's your questions.. please point out to me where the victims are mentioned.. since that was what I said? " 1. Was pedophilia viewed as a "curable" disease? 2. What was the recommended course of treatment recommended for pedophilia? 3. What was the expert medical advice regarding the treatment and release of pedophiles back into the community (both in secular and in Church instances)? "

[@mariesinnecker4450]

What do You ( B.Barron) think of Pagola's argument that the Father did NOT want Jesus' sacrifice as a substitute víctim ( " died FOR us")? Stops one feeling guilty for His death.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 What Father is saying is that terrible things happened in the Church that were covered up. This equates to crimes that should, and were, brought to judgement. Reforms were subsequently put into place. Those, such as yourself, who ignore these reforms, and their efficacy, preferring only to re-hash and repeat the crimes, are motivated by what seems to me to be at least analogous with hate, not to mention bias.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "What? It's not logical for people to make accusations and seek evidence?" In all honesty, are you actually reading my posts or are you simply scanning them to pick out key phrases to argue with? Given the amount of reading into my words and misinterpretation of what I am posting, the latter seems likely and I honestly don't have the time or the interest to argue for the sake of arguing.

[@hiswife2002]

@Roper122 "when you don't like the reality, simply pretend that the person pointing it out is hateful and evil and part of a conspiracy." Which of these "realities" of yours do you think I'm pretending is hate on your part?

[@tacobill70]

Catholicism is so misunderstood.