5 Artist Cults Ranked By Member Nastiness Anton Bruckner Yuja Wang Klaus Mäkelä Sergiu Celibidache Wilhelm Furtwängler Honorable Mention: John Wilson
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@chadweirick677 ай бұрын
Meanwhile, the Callas cult sits in a corner sipping tea, saying, under their breath, "amateurs"
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
An awful lot, it what it says. Sometimes I wish that a singer whose work that I really adore would get this attention, since s/he gets little of any kind. How about the case of Stuart Burrows? One of the really lovely voices of this wicked world, and people just pass over him. Such singing deserves more!
@djquinn42127 ай бұрын
A lovely sound like Stuart Burrows isn’t the kind of thing that people start a cult over….. (his lenski is heartbreaking though)
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Yeah, I think that you're right about that. Stuart Burrows perhaps was a bit too civilised and elegant for his own good so far as attaining superstar status like that was concerned. Maybe he was more like the best possible Lieder-recitalist singer, utterly exquisite but defitinitely with a voice that could project operatically, rather than an electrifying, power-house opera star born to the style to a sufficient degree to hobnob with the spinto and dramatic stars like Corelli, Bergonzi, et al., like Carreras or Aragall. Stuart Burrows, though, is my secret pleasure whom I treasure right along with those big guys! @@djquinn4212
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Nicolai Gedda made it, though, even if Stuart Burrows did not. I saw Gedda a lot on stage, and his voice was rapturously lovely, just edgy enough to carry heroically, and powerful enough, even if not so super-abundantly so as the likes of Corelli or Bergonzi. WHat a supreme artist, too. Gedda and Burrows, yum!
@djquinn42127 ай бұрын
@@geraldparker8125 Yah, you watch Gedda and he knew how to play to the crowd. The Faust performance where he has his cane in one hand and has hat in the other and rears back and launches the C the in Salut….he was a showman when he wanted to be.
@jgesselberty7 ай бұрын
I have lost track of the number of CDs I have purchased based on your reviews, often with musical excerpts. These companies are shooting themselves in the foot by harassing free advertising for their products. They are not advertising Orlando de Lassus at half-time of football games.
@MDK2_Radio7 ай бұрын
I think KZbin is heading for a class action lawsuit since they just harass content creators based on often frivolous and at times fraudulent copyright claims. As far as I know, they don’t pay out for the time monetization is deactivated for false claims.
@howard52597 ай бұрын
It's weird, isn't it? I'm sure Dave knows the truth but if I were responsible for a recording company I would complain about the use of other company's CDs, not my own, assuming the relative review was positive. If the review is negative then fair enough but generally Dave plays CDs as part of a recommendation or at least good example of the piece.
@TheAboriginal17 ай бұрын
From what I understand almost all copyright strikes are bots and often not even from the labels but instead various rights societies or other groups that somehow have a relation to the recording or one that sounds like it.
@jeremysmith3026 ай бұрын
As a member of the Glenn Gould cult, I’m pleased we escaped the list.
@colinmaynard28793 ай бұрын
Ho hum 😉
@torterrakart72497 ай бұрын
Sorabji, Sorabji ones are the weirdest
@BryanHalo1237 ай бұрын
Your vid on Furtwanglers' Nazi 9th is what sold me on your channel. Anyone who defends this ending is beyond reason.
@joedays947 ай бұрын
It's so beautiful when you reach the territory of maturaty in the appreciation of any branch of art. Everything is lighter, happy and joyful. Thanks David.
@Alan_Clark7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@llucrescu90587 ай бұрын
What a great subject! This is the first time I comment and give a thumb-up without seeing the video. Now let me get my popcorn ...
@frgraybean7 ай бұрын
I look forward to Bitchfest every year! Thank you!
@durskoenig7 ай бұрын
What a fun hoot of a vid. Glad Dave just ignores the headaches.
@user-go5vq3tb9v7 ай бұрын
I’m watching from Japan and I love watching your videos! In Japan, Furtwängler is extremely popular and before I watched your videos I was a member of the so called “Furtwängler cult” After watching your videos I was shock to hear many conductors I’ve never heard of! I hope I can absorb as much recording as I can. I’m always looking forward for your excellent reviews! Take care!(Sorry for my bad English…)
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Thank you very much. Your English in excellent!
@Tlll1237 ай бұрын
Speaking of Japan, there was a (relatively very small group of) cult of Japanese live recordings from 60s-80s.
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
I kept my sanity re. Furtwängler, luckily, because I did not undervalue his studio recordings, especially from post-war on E.M.I. Those are clearly recorded enough to justify what one claims for them, without sounding like some deluded cultist having to imagine-in much of what they claim to hear and what they praise. Also, if you like Furty, you really should adore Dr. Klemps (Klemperer). Where Furtwängler thrives, Klemper rules supreme a whole lot incontestably. However, then there are Bruno Walter and Konwitschny to contend with also. Plus, I really do like best of all, most of the time, highly rhythmic and energetic guys like Leonard Bernstein (of his Boston and New York City years), Thomas Schippers, and other sheer human dynamos of their irresistible kind. That broadly based, Furty just had to fall into line for consideration along with all of those others and more. @@DavesClassicalGuide
@Warp757 ай бұрын
I noticed the Furtwangler crew are easily the most demented. That Nazi 9th sends a lot of them insane
@austinhan69987 ай бұрын
There's video of a Celibidache rehearsal out there where for a split second the camera pans to a violinist (and Sigourney Weaver's lookalike) rolling her eyes, chewing gum, and splitting a rage tremolo. To his credit, listening to his live recordings did teach me a respect for Bruckner, namely to slow down to a different pace of thinking. If listening to Celibidache taught me one sentence, it's "You're gonna be here for three weeks, nothing will change that, so stop struggling and accept it."
@gyulahunyor82677 ай бұрын
Just had the chance to listen to Currentzis "conducting" his own Utopia Orchestra of hand-selected obviously very talented musicians in Tchaikovsky's Fifth. My God, he brought down the house, meanwhile what I heard and saw was an agonizingly dancing dervish (just wondering how the orchestra could play it at all almost without actual conducting!) without the slightest sense of architecture, having not the slightest clue where to drive, just stumbling from one climax to the other keeping no spares for the real ones, other times stall the whole process almost to stop it...and yet, the audience loved it! My number one candidate for your list for sure.
@richardpaul557 ай бұрын
"Drowning in Bruckner!" Huzzah!!! Bring it on.
@mangstadt17 ай бұрын
Reflecting on my experience of live concerts conducted by Sergiu Celibidache (I attended nine of the 99 concerts he gave in Spain), I must admit that he was like no other conductor. However, not once did he drive me to tears, which is something that other musicians have done to me in the concert hall. Zubin Mehta, for instance, is pure electricity, scoring 2 out of 7 as far as tears are concerned in my experience. If the proof is in the pudding (my perception as my yardstick), I guess the Celibidache pudding was unlike any other but didn't quite do the trick.
@mattbalfe29837 ай бұрын
On the Furtwangler 9th I agree and if you want a true prestissimo finale, Szell has that for you with better sound and overall performance.
@mikeleghorn60927 ай бұрын
I belonged to a Bruckner Facebook group. Someone asked, “What do you feel when listening to the first movement of Bruckner’s 6th?” I said “boredom”. That person replied, “you are lacking a soul”. This was typical of the group. I eventually got tired of the knee-jerk fanaticism and left the group.
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
How's your soul doing?
@mikeleghorn60927 ай бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuideslightly better than Faust’s 😂
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Yeah, aren't those Brucknerites a colossal pain-in-the ass? And they are so freaking bossy about it all. Despite all of their protestations, one has to wonder if they really are hearing all that they claim to, in Bruckner's turgid productions.
@SoiledWig7 ай бұрын
Yeah, those Facebook groups can be a bit of a trial. i grow weary of the posts that profess their opinions as objective fact and the arguments devolve into something akin to "who would win in a fight, Furtwängler or Jochum?"
@phamthanh47857 ай бұрын
And for some reasons the Brucknerites tend to have Mahler inferior complex. I'm always puzzled by why if Bruckner is such a visionary composer like what they claim (and I don't object to this idea since Bruckner is one of my favs), then Mahler has to be less modern, less forward looking, less competent than Bruckner.
@morrigambist7 ай бұрын
I can only deduce that the Horenstein cult is dying out, or that its members don't incline to nastiness.
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Thank Heavens for that. I so often would have to scratch my head over my friend Larry's adulation of this conductor.
@nihilistlemon19957 ай бұрын
Once a new recording of Yunchan Lim comes out , if it is bad and you criticise it , be prepared .
@gugendir7 ай бұрын
My goodness, I have headache even thinking about it. It wouldn’t even need him to say that it is bad. It is enough to unleash the madness if he just says "it is good but I prefer another pianist" or "I like it but this or that pianist played it better" And it wouldn’t matter if preferred pianist is Rubinstein, Argerich or Richter etc.
@nihilistlemon19957 ай бұрын
@@gugendir i mean Yunchan is literally the BEST PIANIST EVAAARRRR
@joncheskin7 ай бұрын
Makes sense that Furtwangler and Celibidache would be 1 and 2, both cults tend to ascribe magical powers to their idols. If they do something lousy, then the followers believe that there is some "hidden spark of genius" and grasp at straws to identify it. I saw Celibidache and Munich in Chicago in the 1980s with Bruckner, it was an impressive performance, but the endless solo bows at the end for orchestra principals and strange mystical atmosphere (his cult was alive and well back then in Chicago) made me feel a little creeped out. Was happy to see my next concert with Solti.
@Sheffield66887 ай бұрын
Dave, after reading "Beethoven or Bust" back in 2002 or so, I've been using Classics Today (now with Insider privileges) for about 20 years now give or take. Yuja Wang IS really adorable but dang, with your hand on the lever over the Gorge of Classical Music Peril .... maybe it's best not to comment sometimes? 😏 But I get it. Substance. At any rate, keep up the great work. You're my go-to for all the hijinks that goes on in the realm of Classical Music, but especially for your unbiased, honest (and often funny) reviews. Thanks for your work!
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@steveschwartz89447 ай бұрын
If you've spent 10 minutes on Twitter, you realize there's a difference between opinions and informed opinions.
@reamartin64587 ай бұрын
I would say twit-pinions represent 99% of the communicating world
@davidwyatt8507 ай бұрын
There are informed opinions on Twitter??
@steveschwartz89447 ай бұрын
@@davidwyatt850 They’re certainly rare.
@B-fq7ff7 ай бұрын
Thank god I’ve never spent 10 minutes on twitter
@jensguldalrasmussen64467 ай бұрын
I'm every bit as inspired, exhilarated, stimulated, even a few times irritated, as everybody else, but, judging from quite a few commentaries, deep in my heart I'm convinced, that some day someone ought to make a video about the 'Hurwitz-cult'! 😁
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
They may, but I think I've gotten rid of most of the nasties (except myself, of course).
@bloodgrss7 ай бұрын
Yes; they were 'Hurwitz'd (aka Justice Ginsburg on SNL)@@DavesClassicalGuide
@robertjones4477 ай бұрын
Is there even a Herbert von Karajan cult anymore?
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Sigh, I know what you mean about that weirdo, Celibidache, but, oh! that fabulous, extraordinary, glowingly beautiful recording of Cherubini's "Anacréon" overture that he made. That 78 rpm. disc alone would justify his existence!
@goonbelly58417 ай бұрын
The Historically Informed Performance (HIP) cult, especially relating to baroque music, is beyond nasty. They don't just disapprove of baroque music played on modern instruments by talented artists, they want such performances banned outright and, so far, have generally succeeded in doing so. Thank God I started listening to baroque music (my first venture into classical music) before the HIP movement turned into an intolerant cult, otherwise I probably wouldn't be listening to classical music today. (note that my comment is not directed at discussions on this channel)
@murraylow45237 ай бұрын
Banned?
@phamthanh47857 ай бұрын
The very first classical music composer I was aware of was Vivaldi. I have already listened to a HIP performance of some of his Op. 4 concerti before that and I hated it (of course back then I had no ideas about all these HIP craps, I just hated the sound). But then KZbin recommended me Heinz Holliger's Vivaldi oboe concerti with I Musici. And what followed was a slow journey from Vivaldi all the way to the 21st cen people. Without I Musici I would have never engaged myself deeply in classical music.
@bbailey78187 ай бұрын
Not just Baroque but they take a dim (in every sense) and intolerant view of Mozart and Haydn with "modern" orchestras.
@goonbelly58417 ай бұрын
To be fair, there have been some pretty decent period instruments baroque ensembles. For example, Collegium Aurium, La Petite Bande, The English Concert, Capella Savaria are a few that come to mind. They play (or are made to play) with verve and musical taste. The object of any good music performance should be to make the music sound good, not to foist some cockamamie (and often unmusical) idea of how the music "should" have sounded like 300 years ago on the music listening/buying public.
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Just listen to how Toscanini conducted Vivaldi (not much of that composer's music, alas, but, wow, what he did was stupendous. So, it sounds almost Beethovenian that way. Well, GOOD!!! It sounds great so modern and so Beethovenian instead of merely cute and quaint. Actually, though, the 1940s and 1950s were my favourite era for recordings of Baroque music, stylish and expressive and lean and, well, just wonderful. The prissiness that sets in with the execrable HIP movement is musically criminal. @@phamthanh4785
@ME-qr7hs7 ай бұрын
David, I enjoy your videos and appreciate your honesty. We will all have our favorites ,and , as you know bitchers will always be with us. Please press on.
@B-fq7ff7 ай бұрын
I don’t know much about Yuja Wang but I saw that video of her playing Turangalila with Dudamel and that was enough to convince me of her greatness
@B-fq7ff7 ай бұрын
Also, you can’t argue her outfit isn’t appropriate for a piece like that
@MusicalConcepts7 ай бұрын
I sympathise greatly regarding your gripe with the music industry, and I have always "white-listed" our music assets for use in your wonderfully eloquent videos (meaning that you are free to use as much of them as you want without any copyright claims). That process is made thorny by KZbin (Google) and we suffer from many similar problems.
@micolsen98247 ай бұрын
KZbine needs too reLAX. Great topic.
@danielhornby55817 ай бұрын
Talking about copyright claims, I had UMG (shock horror) suspend a private Facebook video of mine - only accessible to my FB friends - for “copyright”. It was a clip of me performing Reminiscences de Norma. Makes you wonder how Universal or any company can do this when said posts are private use…
@howard52597 ай бұрын
May I add a second comment, this time in relation to John Wilson. I, like many people in the UK, became aware of him though some excellent BBC Proms concerts in which his brilliant orchestra and some top class, generally American, singers performed his arrangements of musicals and film scores. He clearly has a wonderful way with orchestral sound. He has indeed more recently made some fine CDs. However, there have latterly been some less impressive readings of more significant works, if I may call them that, with pick-up orchestras. Maybe I should classify them as large scale orchestral works which didn't require his talent for arrangement. He is a fine conductor but his supporters need to recognise even he has human limitations.
@jefolson69897 ай бұрын
" I have the Jochum Bruckner set" " and? Dont tell me that's the only one you own?" " it's the only complete.set. I have individual symphonies by other conductors" " maybe you would find a beginning group more in keeping with your present level of Bruckner knowledge"
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Oy!
@jefolson69897 ай бұрын
@DavesClassicalGuide I burn, but as you rightly say, Bruckknerites are rather nice and polite. Most look like they live in the parents basement. Never seeing the sun, listening to Bruckner all day.amd night, it's surprising they aren't even weirder. On a Bruckner night with the CSO you could hear a pin drop. Quietest live audience possible. Woe unto anyone who coughed or whispered during the slow movement!
@stephenlord97 ай бұрын
You remind me of my good and lamented buddy Martin Bernheimer ( or Birdbomber as he called himself)
@loiccery14197 ай бұрын
You're so right... You obviously make me laugh a lot, the way you talk about all these "cults", but really it's so important. And I must confess to having at one point just started, if not a cult, at least a blind trust in Klaus Mäkelä... But then... Once again, the main thing is this lucidity towards these cults, which stem from a habit so deeply rooted in the classic years. Your crusade is therefore important. Based on a cult of personality, how can you expect anyone to be realistic about your analysis of Furtwängler's Ninth? The thing about someone who worships a conductor, an instrumentalist or a singer, is that they NO LONGER HEAR the music, but what they want to hear. In this Ninth, the din will be heard, then, as so-called philosophical profundity, the absence of rigor for strength, and so on. Consequently, as with Celibidache, the Furtwängler cult functions on a total abandonment of lucidity. What's on your mind? That's the way it is. And it has to be said. Fatally, you can only irritate, or more exactly, provoke hysteria in your worshippers, when you offer them an objective argument. It can't be any other way, because it's all about bringing reason to bear on unconditional infatuation.
@RandomMusicStuff4You7 ай бұрын
So glad to have found your videos. You have introduced me to many new composers and compositions. Thank you for that and for your wonderful insight. I am likely one of the biggest Percy Grainger advocates you will encounter. While I LOVE the videos you have done about his “Jungle Book”, I have not heard you mention the legendary recordings of Frederick Fennell on Mercury. I would truly love to hear your take on that (even if you think it’s trash😂). Thanks!
@gertyup7 ай бұрын
Enjoyed this immensely, Dave!
@JamesCello7 ай бұрын
Wow! Wagner dodged the draft!
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
That's not a cult. It's a full-scale religion.
@MickeyCoalwell7 ай бұрын
Dave, you have been ON FIRE the past few weeks with fantastic topics for your talks. This one is a hoot. Your informed opinion based on a lifetime of listening and reflecting on what you have heard is absolutely to the point when making critical judgments. More power to you! Have you seen the hype around the release of the “lost” 1980s Ravel concerto recording with Michelangeli and Celibidache? I would love to see your review of it.
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Yeah, topics like these are so much fun to follow. I could suggest "secret sins" types to love for pleasure, "pet performers", and that ilk. For instance, I still love and cherish all of those recording of Edward Kilenyi junior (on Remington and other bargain labels), which are so delectably straightforward and joyfully, vigourously accessible and zesty. Does anyone else wtill remember and value Kilenyi? (His father, the "senior", before him, was no slouch, either!)
@MickeyCoalwell7 ай бұрын
I came to Kilenyi Jr. through my admiration and respect for Ernst von Dohnanyi, his teacher. Kilenyi’s Chopin and Liszt recordings are superb!
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Oh, wow, Mickey, I'm not alone. I am glad that I admitted my liking for the junior Kilenyi, just to know that others can express such views, too. There is just something, as you must feel, too, about Kilenyi's playing of Chopin and Liszt, for example, that is so "right", so natural that one does not even need to explain why. It just is what it is. I've listened to Chopin's études as Kilenyi plays them countless times and always felt so refreshed at how sane and alert, but never eccentric in any way they sound as Kilenyi plays them. (I feel much that way also about Novaes' playing of these works.) The same goes for Schumann's "Carnaval". Kilenyi's way with Chopin's waltzes is a bit roughhouse, but, heck, this is idealised dance music, after all. It's a-okay with me. It is not that Kilenyi's way is my all-time favourite way to hear the music that he recorded, but it definitely is one of the manners in which I like to hear that music, to experience it. It always has been so. @@MickeyCoalwell
@MickeyCoalwell7 ай бұрын
Agree with all of your observations and opinions!
@g1e2c3k4o7 ай бұрын
I think what you say about Bruckner fans is very funny, and true. I am a Bruckner fan. It is to each their own.
@jppitman17 ай бұрын
As to the recent young up-and-comer conductors you alluded to, have you an opinion on how they compare or contrast musically to the wunderkinds of the past like Leonard Bernstein, Andre Previn, or Michael Tilson Thomas, or others which come to mind?
@stephengailey24007 ай бұрын
My understanding is that if a 'party' buys a business then they also accept all previous arrangements.
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Tell that to KZbin.
@lukestables7083 ай бұрын
"I don't give a damn if they're wearing hairshirts." 🤣
@maximisaev69747 ай бұрын
Oh Good Lord Dave! I guess I may count myself very fortunate never to have encountered members of any musical cult, or to have had any of them in my family or friendships over the years. I only wish I were as fortunate when it comes to being exposed to political cultists. Still, I have to say back in the 1980's when the "Original Instrument HIP Crowd" got their start, my patience was wearing very thin indeed. I'm far too emotionally cynical to be a "joiner," especially when it involves conductors and soloists. All I've ever done is go to a concert or two, read up and research whatever writers and publications are out there about my next potential musical purchase, sample bits of a performance, take a chance, lay my money on the counter and appreciate and evaluate the music utterly alone with no cheerleaders or Kool-Aid drinkers in attendance. If it moves me, great, if it doesn't, I donate the recording to a library or charity, or gift it to someone I can't stand as a form of passive hostility and even revenge. :) I do so appreciate your recommendations Dave, because they appear to be based on an inner logic that can be explained to others, even if they don't agree with you. I think you must be doing something right, or I wouldn't have purchased so many of your recommendations over the last three years. Thanks for the great, cautionary video Dave. Take care!
@MyriamSchweingruberАй бұрын
Oh my, I am probably a total noob, but I was at one Celibidache concert in Munich and fell asleep, twice...
@bbailey78187 ай бұрын
I don't know how mean they were but the cult that made me mean was the Goodall Wagner cult, centered in Britain but also cropped in the pages of High Fidelity. His Ring cycle was worshipped and, more recently, his Mastersingers. Both of which neutered the dramas by impossibly slow tempos, reluctant even to proceed from bar to bar. His Rhinegold was the only one to ever require four lps. Far from being epic or monumental, it reminded me of Lot's wife, forever turned into a pillar of salt. Dreadful stuff from a dreadful man who supported the Nazis in Britain--during the war! At least that cult seems to have dissipated by now. One trait of the Furtwangler cult is that nothing Toscanini did was ever acceptable. I recall an essay article in High Fidelity on Beethoven and the two conductors. When Toscanini was faster than Furtwangler that was, needless to say, unacceptable. But when the Italian was slower than Furtwangler (and he was a number of times) that was likewise beyond the pale. Whereas most Toscanini admirers or cultists, if you will, that I know admire much of Furtwangler, especially in Wagner. But also things like his great DG Schubert 9th.
@caleblaw34977 ай бұрын
There are a few artists who I read critics claiming they are the best and advised people to just get everything they recorded. But after I listened to their recordings, I ended up don't think they are that special, good but not my personal choice of the best. I wonder if they would be part of the "cult" list. They are Carlos Kleiber and Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
I"m with you there.
@josephromance39087 ай бұрын
I don't know if they are nasty -- I find the Mahlerites to be the most aggressive.
@zdl19657 ай бұрын
What? No Lang Lang cult? Or have they all emigrated to the Yuja Wang cult?
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
I haven't covered any recent recordings so I guess they haven't had cause to show up yet.
@leestamm31877 ай бұрын
Those two cults are basically interchangeable.
@bloodgrss7 ай бұрын
No, not really. Such a superficial statement is not helpful, and has a whiff of the overblown detractor cult of both...@@leestamm3187
@reamartin64587 ай бұрын
Lang Lang only plays Disney music now, which is where he belongs…So it all worked out :)
@leestamm31877 ай бұрын
@@bloodgrss No more superficial than many of the other comments here. And I was referring to their cults, not the performers themselves.
@CannonfireVideo7 ай бұрын
Given my lifelong ambition to be the most annoying human being in existence, I was excited to find myself a member of many of your cults. Bruckner? Obviously. I'm a proud member of the Celi cult, but only when he plays Bruckner. I'd probably drink cyanide if so commanded by the divine Yuja. Haven't heard Mäkelä in Sibelius, but his Leningrad symphony is really good. As for Furtwangler's Nazi 9th -- jeez, that's tough. The sonics are just so damned awful. It's like trying to judge a mural by looking at a 50 square pixel thumbnail. What about the Mahler sub-cultists who revere Fried's 1924 Resurrection above all others? Those guys are weird even by MY standards.
@Luke-db9fc25 күн бұрын
I'm a John Cage cultist!
@howard52597 ай бұрын
These are cults of which I was unaware but am not surprised they exist, in so far as you say they do. To me there is an interesting contrast between Wang and Makela, who have performed together of course. They are certainly both attractive people in the physical sense. However, Wang is a more mature and proven musical talent and I agree with you, Dave, that Makela has yet to reach that level. In fact I fear that Makela will go down some similar journey to that of Simon Rattle. That is, well regarded and attractive in youth but ultimately developing a legacy of being overestimated. I hope he becomes a true great but there's no way anyone can predict that yet.
@bloodgrss7 ай бұрын
Well said...
@furdiebant7 ай бұрын
A bit?
@reamartin64587 ай бұрын
Ringling brothers comes to mind
@bluetortilla7 ай бұрын
I'm not in any cult, but Wang's piano playing is certainly a tour de force, and I happen to think she's an incredible musician. She's an exciting standout among modern pianists, very confident, very accurate, and very driving. What's not to like?
@kingconcerto58607 ай бұрын
Most of it is rooted in jealousy IMO. A mix of people who are jealous that they can't play like her, women who are jealous they're not as beautiful as her, and men who are jealous that they've never been with a woman as beautiful as her. There's no other reason for the vitriol against her.
@GingerIndiana7 ай бұрын
You said it all : she is confident, accurate and exciting. But there is no musicality and high level of interpretation in there! Actually to be more precise : she is completely out of tracks when playing romantic composers whose styles she doesn't know how to cope with and they become schmaltzy. But regarding modern and contemporary music (Bartok, Ligeti, Kapustin...) she is great because not many pianists can play these so difficult pieces (like Bartok's concerti for example). To quote a musical critics in "The Guardian" (UK 2022) : "Wang's flamboyance and virtuosity doesn't always convey a real sense of what music is about, but in works such as Ligeti's Études she is irrésistible". And here Dave said himself he didn't like hr Rachmaninov recording... I didn't either. She forgets that the real artist is the composer and she has to respect the composer. If you compare with that blind young pianist Nobuyuki Tsujii, he has a deep understanding of the meaning of the music and he has it all.
@mauricegiacche47766 ай бұрын
Her Sydney recital was a triumph. Her Scriabin Sonata 9 (Black Mass) and Chopin Sonata 3 were breathtaking. Her musicianship is impeccable. Her Beethoven Piano Concert 2 was less convincing.
@mauricegiacche47766 ай бұрын
I should add that she performed Beethoven 2 when AGAIN Martha Argerich withdrew at the last minute. Perhaps that informed my view. I was bitterly disappointed. But HELLO! even on her worst other pianists fail to rise to her ankle. Wang , Kissin (an all Liszt program) and Trifonov a the 3 finest recitals i have attended in the last 20 years.
@garthhudson7 ай бұрын
Love that your number 2 and 3 are currently dating!!
@dariocaporuscio87017 ай бұрын
Imagine the danger of the two cults merging together
@reamartin64587 ай бұрын
It’s all arranged their Swifty’s, and it’s fake if you didn’t figure that out
@musicalme272 ай бұрын
That love-fest has ended
@musicalme272 ай бұрын
That love-fest has ended
@michaelharrison24057 ай бұрын
Perhaps Celibidache is the answer for insomnia!
@AlexMadorsky7 ай бұрын
I have, in fact, literally fallen asleep listening to one of the Celibidache Bruckner 8 recordings. I actually like it if I’m in the right mood, but any Celi cultist who would insist his approach is THE approach to the music, path to nirvana, etc. is well off the mark.
@classicallpvault82517 ай бұрын
I wasn't aware of the fan cult around Klaus Mäkelä but as he was recently appointed chief conductor of the Concertgebouw Orchestra it appears like the fanboyism has affected even the board of one of the world's leading orchestras.
@bobmcgowan74607 ай бұрын
Dave,in the recent issue of BBC Music Magazine they had an article and interview with Francois Xavier Roth. He said that Klaus Makela has expressed an interest in recording a Sibelius cycle with Le Siecle !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and Simon Rattle also wants to conduct them ! Can't wait to turn you loose on the likes of that possibility !
@jdeeside7 ай бұрын
There's no cult like a Soprano cult. Just ask at La Scala! Mention the best Tosca, Butterfly, Seiglinde, or the best Four Last Songs and sit back and let the comments flow.
@hermanblinkhoven18567 ай бұрын
If this is the top 5 in nastyness, I definitely want to hear the numbers 6 to10... Or, less kindly put, I want to hear more opinion and Hurbitch comments on, just as examples, Thielemann, Barenboim, Alsop, Lang Lang and anything mean on Jay Aaron Kernis
@PoulEriksson7 ай бұрын
On the question of F……., I understand your point of grandiose narcissism. He is not the only artist for whom that worked in their career (until it didn’t) - so I think self deception is the central critique you can raise. Ambitious and jealous of others, sure, but opportunist, I am not so sure. Opportunists rise on trends for their own benefit. But the main opportunity F….... managed to grab at the time was to be a grandiose narcissist not fitting in anywhere. I have a handful of his recordings because in a couple of them his interpretations pulled me in like none before, and it had to do with pacing. I think this is what people seem to find in his recordings or look for within the noise. That doesn’t work for me, but I am not in a position to clam that they deceive themselves in terms of finding what they were looking for. It is also a claim that is sure to make people upset.
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
It's not question of them finding what they are looking for, it's a question of their insistence that there is nothing else that matters.
@PoulEriksson7 ай бұрын
Never encountered it, but it sounds like you have, and that would be an extreme proposition if advanced as universal truth. @@DavesClassicalGuide
@ManorHouseMusic7 ай бұрын
Celibidache: 'An artist is not ready to approach the Beethoven Violin Concerto until they reach the age of 40'. The problem with that apparently incontrovertible assertion is that Beethoven was 36 when he wrote it!
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Stupid attempt to be "profound."
@musicalme272 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@duncanrichardson21672 ай бұрын
But Beethoven WAS a genius
@wkleung117 ай бұрын
You are missing one: Katherine Needleman and her oboe mob. They harassed and took down a critic after one unfavourable review.
@AlexMadorsky7 ай бұрын
It’d interesting that Mäkelä has inspired such cultish loyalty given how little music he has recorded in his young life. Mostly people are bickering over the Sibelius cycle. Even those who love it surely must concede there are many other great cycles and singleton recordings of the symphonies. Give it time, people! Let’s not get too agitated about one box set either way.
@reamartin64587 ай бұрын
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@reamartin64587 ай бұрын
When you can fail at your job and still keep it and get a raise now that’s the true skill
@SoiledWig7 ай бұрын
With the wealth of recordings available, i don't see how anyone could enjoy a Furtwängler Nazi-era recording for any reason but out of morbid curiosity. i mean, that's my reason. i certainly feel more like i'm perusing a dark historical document than taking in a bit if music. i came across a boxed set of such recordings, but curiously, the Beethoven 9th is not in there. My morbid curiosity doesn't extend far enough to seek it out on its own.
@mauricegiacche47766 ай бұрын
David, you refer to Bernstein as a natural educator. You’re in the same ball park. Your analysis of Mahler’s symphonies was a game changer for me. Your passion us palpable.
@DavesClassicalGuide6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@matthewweflen7 ай бұрын
This is mere anecdata, but the most churlish and unpleasant person I have encountered on a popular online classical music forum is indeed a Furtwangler devotee.
@tassosbenetatos36877 ай бұрын
Having watched this channel for the last couple of years, it seams to me the most vicious crew in the comment section are those who hate anything HIP and period performance.
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Nah. They're not vicious, just right (much of the time).
@tassosbenetatos36877 ай бұрын
Ha ha ha, c'mon, haven't you noticed that whenever you review something HIP unfavorably a whole school of Piranhas flocks to devour ALL HIPness in the comment section with the utmost nastiness? @@DavesClassicalGuide
@bluetortilla7 ай бұрын
Good for you for not wearing a tie for a performance for Nazis. You are quite fine without an analysis, though I know it's your job to present one. Anyway, some people like me are just listeners. We don't play instruments, we don't know the nomenclature behind the music and perhaps don't even know a coda from a fugue. Bet we can hear great, wonderful, beautiful music and have our favorites nonetheless for how it makes me feel. I have been introduced to and bought music that did not know existed and now treasure because of this channel, so thank you. I have a similar dilemma as you in that I'm a political science major who's studied history all of my life and I have to listen to the idiots around me who wouldn't know a history book if it hit them on the head. It's absolutely terrifying. For those of us who have spent our entire lives studying something and being told that we don't know what we're talking about while anybody's opinion is just as valid, well, it''s positively insufferable.
@joncheskin7 ай бұрын
Just wanted to add that I find the Nazi 9th to be a rather interesting case. Furtwangler, to me, is compelling primarily because he is a real musical interpreter with all kinds of interesting ideas with regard to phrasing, tempo variation and general conception. His interpretations always sound very spontaneous and energized to me. The Nazi 9th suffers horribly from ragged playing and worse sonics, but his interpretive characteristics are present nonetheless, so there is interesting stuff to listen to. I rather wonder if the super-loud timpani in the first movement was really that loud in person, or if it was just bad recording, the effect is certainly pretty terrifying. The last movement is brisk and lean, has moments of serious intensity and drama. I see what people are latching on to, too bad the performance crashes and burns with an orchestra and sound engineers that just don't seem to have the wherewithal to execute the idea.
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Yes, but you can get all of those same qualities in very good sound in other F performances of the same work, and that's the point. You don't have to pretend that this one is great, especially when (having heard those other, better versions) you allege to detect those better qualities in this version just to hype its importance.
@joncheskin7 ай бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide Just wanted to say as a follow up that there is something extremely compelling about considering the perverse performance context, I think this context is intoxicating for modern listeners and can mislead them into ascribing special qualities to the performance. For my part, I think I hear in the performance the peculiar hyper-patriotism and self-confidence of the Nazi period, mixed at the same time with the insecurity of contemplating a war that was showing signs of impending disaster. The general violence of the war seeps in, especially in the first movement, perhaps a firsthand reflection of experience of Allied bombing. The poor playing of the orchestra, alas, seems to me simply a reflection of a proud orchestra depleted by many performers either sent to the front or fired because they were Jewish.
@violamateo-on8pc3 ай бұрын
How about the cult followers of the title-holder for "most bizarre concert violinist": Patricia Kopatchinskaja?
@DavesClassicalGuide3 ай бұрын
Are they nasty or just nuts?
@patriklindell91497 ай бұрын
Is the Rattle cult still a thing?
@rainerm.8168Ай бұрын
In his Berlin years he never got a cult as ironclad as Karajan.
@harinagarajan22967 ай бұрын
Marvellous. As always!. I recently watched DW documentary on music and propaganda in Germany. Chilling and reinforcesmany of your points. I am from India and not part of the simitic cultures. But i have read up on history quite a bit. For the longest time i had trouble listening to the Karajan recordings. I do not much care for "opportunist" explanations. Buone of your videos set things in the right perpective. But these bl***** cultists. Sorry if this is offensive. Hari
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Who's next? Wil somebody exhume a Mantovani Sibelius cycle? Ee-ee-eek!
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Or a Norrie Paramor Sibelius cycle? Yikes!
@arnausubiracanaleta31627 ай бұрын
Grigory Sokolov would be another interesting artist to talk about, in my opinion he is the only God-like figure in the piano world today but I would love to hear your opinion on his playing and music interpretation since it's almost imposible to find someone who dears to criticise him.
@arnausubiracanaleta31627 ай бұрын
Dares* srry
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Really? He gave one of the dullest concerts I ever attended some years back. I think he's very unreliable.
@arnausubiracanaleta31627 ай бұрын
That's what I wanted to hear!! 😊🎉🎉 At least someone speaks his mind about him. I really find him marvelous on romantic literature, his Schumann Fantasy is My personal favourite but I find that his Mozart/Haydn readings lack spontaniety and can become boring after the first couple of minutes specially when compared to Robert Levin, maybe they can't be compared but I definitely prefer Levin's aproach. Anyway thank you for your answer😊
@bloodgrss7 ай бұрын
That is the crux. As you have often pointed out, live concerts of music by genius composers can excite anyone, no matter how well played or interpreted to the well-informed. Sokolov preens himself in the worship mystique; let's not be fooled by it... @@DavesClassicalGuide
@darkryder52425 ай бұрын
As Joseph Horowitz noted in a NYT article some 45 years ago "A few of the Russians are quite flamboyant - addicted to rubbery tempos, throbbing colors and thundering volleys of sound, and immune to what is elsewhere considered proper style or pristine taste."@@arnausubiracanaleta3162
@PrimoTenore7 ай бұрын
how do you feel about the... MC cult ( I dont even wanna say her name... theyll have me sent to the dungeon)
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
All opera people are loons, so I don't give them much thought at all.
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
If I hover on being a Callas cultist, it's probably because I am an opera-is-drama cultist, the dramatic situation and narrative tension almost as important as the music. Callas, Genger, Oliveiro, Albanese, Stratas, sopranos like those make the most of both music and drama and that is the most thrilling thing to encounter in opera. @@DavesClassicalGuide
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
I meant Gencer there. I wrote out her name as it sounds in Turkish, inadvertently.
@user-et8mh2ki1c7 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to hear about all the copyright travails you have to go through. Please persevere; I found you too recently for you to disappear!
@marcmigocortes17607 ай бұрын
Dear Dave, thank you for your wonderful content, which I enjoy regularly. I would be intrigued to know what you think about Hans Rott 1st symphony? I remember your video on his other symphonic works, which enraged me so much that I thought of starting my own Hans Rott cult… In all seriousness, thank you for your work and authenticity. Marc
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
It's a derivative, patchy piece with some amazing moments.
@marcmigocortes17607 ай бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide that scherzo!!!!!!
@bloodgrss7 ай бұрын
Is derivative bad? I know you would say no; but somehow Rott does makes you hope for more...@@DavesClassicalGuide
@robertjones4477 ай бұрын
Are the Mahler cultists well-behaved on your channel?
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
So far...
@DaninMaine3 ай бұрын
You have to wonder about the thought process of someone who complains when a critic states an opinion.
@JackBurttrumpetstuff7 ай бұрын
… or who pretends to own the copyright…
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@1e9n4i7gma7 ай бұрын
I will take a chance that this comment will be withdrawn, but here goes .I am older than yourself Dave,but I do believe that the days of the superstar conductor is well over.I cannot see what the music world sees in Klaus Makela.The Royal Concertgebouw Amsterdam must be so desperate to appoint this man to one of the biggest jobs in the world from 2027.He is already in charge of the Orchestre de Paris and Oslo Philharmonic for which he is far too young.I know there is a world shortage (in my opinion) of possible great conductors which is sad.His bubble will burst and he will have to reconsider the jobs he takes.He is even worse than Simon Rattle who never deserved to be where he is.I will end it there because I am getting into rant mode
@reamartin64587 ай бұрын
Thank you for this comment, I can tell you that it’s completely rooted in reality. We all know that the Klaus phenomenon is totally engineered by some hidden hand and unfortunately so many pop-up Instagram Virtuosi are artificially boosted for the “likes” algorithm - it’s the horrible business of music once again devouring itself(big in Japan). I personally know many wonderful young conductors (better then golden boy) who are never given the chance to succeed / they’ve gone through many years of arduous conservatory training, and yet here’s some guy (who is not a genius) who dropped out of school with engagements…alas I too will stop ranting.
@classicallpvault82517 ай бұрын
This has nothing to do with age. The male brain reaches full maturity at the age of 25 and it isn't uncommon for highly intellectually gifted people to be far more emotionally mature than most of their peers. If he messes up a Sibelius symphony cycle it's not because he's too young but because he has musical ideas which don't work very well.
@maxwellkrem27797 ай бұрын
Slightly surprised about trouble over the use of clips--if you play short clips as a way of demonstrating or educating, those are examples, should be considered "fair use." Perhaps the issue is that on KZbin it's considered monetized or commercial? Maybe a lawyer with IP background could help? As for cults, I have to agree with you that love of the arts should not translate into nasty infighting. Classical music has enough trouble attracting fans! If someone has a slightly different taste than you--accept it. Live and let live. Thanks for the nice video!
@tkengathegrateful48447 ай бұрын
I think the Bruckner people may have a little bit of self-awareness. The very reason we are so goofy is because we know the stakes are so low and it feels good to let it rip - better to obsess over Anton Bruckner than to obsess over returning to the gold standard. Just be nice in the comments, people. 😊
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
I hear you...
@davidwyatt8507 ай бұрын
"The stakes are so low" - love it 😀
@djquinn42127 ай бұрын
I’m mildly surprised that there isn’t a Dudamel cult…but I guess he came into the public sphere just before the social media stuff exploded. I don’t remember there being the blind fandom behind him in 2005-08 there way there is with Klaus. 🤷🏻♂️
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Oh, yeah, Dudamel. Man, he's so hot. One just cannot resist him musically or his vivacity musically and in every way. However, I would not be part of his cult. I just enjoy him with more moderation than that. But -- the guy rocks!
@reamartin64587 ай бұрын
Dudamel is his own cult 😂
@djquinn42127 ай бұрын
@@geraldparker8125 I saw him do Mahler 2 at the Hollywood bowl right before the pandemic. On the whole I enjoy his live recordings and videos more than what he’s done in the studio. Even his early stuff though, the interpretations just aren’t that distinctive. But they’re not bad/clueless like the Klaus stuff. I just think he’s better in performance.
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Intriguing. I've seen, I think, mostly live performances available on DVD or CD. He's winsome and a winner, both. @@djquinn4212
@williamfredscott69047 ай бұрын
I imagine an Andris Nelsons cult will be coming your way soon. Already there are those who swear by his Shostakovich and Strauss, etc., etc. and criticizing his work -- live and/or in the studio -- makes them very angry. You've already noticed that the performances are nothing much.
@timyork61507 ай бұрын
Many cults are highly dangerous, particularly in politics! However, AFAIK, none of the classical music cults are physically dangerous but invective together with personal, racial or religious slurs are absolutely unacceptable. Of all those performer cults, the enthusiasm which I understand best is for Furtwängler. Some of his recorded performances were in good mono sound and seem to me to add a dimension to the music in a way that few others equal, notably the Lucerne 9th, Schumann 4, Schubert 9, Tristan, Götterdämmerung excerpts, Walküre and some Brahms. That said, I agree that his repertoire was narrow, that his legacy is very uneven and a lot of it is in very poor sound. Of anecdotal interest, I did attend a Fürtwängler concert with the touring Berlin Philharmonic but I was too young (about 10 or 11) to remember much about it other than his willowy silhouette from the stalls to the right of the platform and my mother's rather inane surprise that so soon after the privations of the war the orchestra's members were impeccably turned out in white ties and tails! I found the programme when clearing out my mother's house after her death. It was Till Eulenspiegel and Schubert 9; the latter might well have been an outstanding memory for me, if I had been 5+ years older!
@classicallpvault82517 ай бұрын
Musical cults can actually be lethal. I remember around 15 years ago that teenage girls were slicing their wrists over a German pop rock band called Tokio Hotel. Deadly stampedes have happened at concerts and there's also examples of musicians with a large fan base behaving like cult leaders, for example R. Kelly, who literally locked women in his basement to be able and molest them. He got in a position to do so completely thanks to the cult of personality stemming from his music. Or how about James Levine, who used his influence in the music world in order to facilitate his pederasty.
@robinraianiemi40305 ай бұрын
Gosh, should I join a cult? Should I start a Robert Treviño cult?
@mauricegiacche47766 ай бұрын
Thielemann and Nelsons had 2 of the world’s greatest orchestras at their disposal (Staatskapelle Dresden and Boston Symphony respectively) and STILL managed to get it wrong. Both of these conductors are a pestilence. Not all of their work is as appalling as their Bruckner. Thielemanns’s Rosenkavalier is insanely wonderful (and that’s in an incredibly strong field). I cannot think of one of Nelsons’ recordings that is up to snuff. At best he is ordinary and uninspired.
@Mooseman3277 ай бұрын
Yeah, that Furtwangler performance is a spectacular trainwreck of a disaster. One of the worst ever. And some of his other performances rival it. I can't see how anyone could follow his baton technique (all ten feet of it.) He just seems to be waving it around in the most random way possible. Having said this, there are some truly excellent Furtwangler recordings out there which is more one can say regarding Celibidache. I have to say that I haven't ever heard a performance from Celibidache that I thought was close to being passable. His tempos are ridiculous and unmusical. Bernstein could do unusual tempi, but half the time I thought that they worked better than the standard way, for example, I love his tempi for his Carmen recording with Horne. Some are slower than the usual, some are faster, but they all work for the music. If Bizet was still around and heard them, he'd say something like "I think they work better than mine do." But no composer would ever say the same for a Celibidache interpretation.
@bbailey78187 ай бұрын
I played that Carmen recently and the tempi were less slow than I had remembered them. I was surprised.
@andrewhcit7 ай бұрын
I feel like I've seen similar cultish behavior from fans of Bruckner and Mahler, with the Mahler cult being much larger than the Bruckner cult. I've only ever encountered one real Bruckner fanatic, but I can't seem to venture into any online classical music space without running into half a dozen Mahler fanatics who seem to be offended that I can't produce a ranking of my top five recordings of each Mahler symphony, or think there's something wrong with me because my ten favorite symphonies don't include at least five of Mahler's. But maybe that's because I'm personally not a big fan of Mahler at all, which means the Mahler cult instantly zeroes in on me, while I like Bruckner enough to keep his cultists off my back?
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Life is short. I like Mahler much more than Bruckner. The problem with the symphonies of both is that they are just too long for their own good. However, Mahler has a really distinguished melodic gift and abundance of memorable moments in his works that make them a real pleasure to experience. I just wish that I had the gobs of time to take it all in more regularly. Musical gigantism is its own worst enemy. Now, those marvellous Mahler song cycles: he got it right with them!
@dariocaporuscio87017 ай бұрын
No Sorabji? Really?
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
Maybe next year. His cult is kind of lazy.
@dariocaporuscio87017 ай бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuideI wouldn't call them lazy, maybe they are just too busy practicing Opus Archimagicum
@damianthompson7037 ай бұрын
Oh, there is definitely a John Wilson cult in London - the other day, a world-famous musician described his Sinfonia of London as 'one of the world's great orchestras'. Uh? I think it may be something to do with the fact that, by all accounts, he's very nice to his fans. If you have a sweet encounter with a musician, that's more likely to prejudice you in favour of his or her performances. (I'm not say this works for all cults, obviously.) By the same token, there is not, and never has been, a John Eliot Gardiner cult over here. And there's the endless plugging by Gramophone, which is becoming more and more of a plug-machine. It must be embarrassing for proper critics like Rob Cowan to read the indiscriminate gushing towards the front of the magazine.
@michaelcarroll76217 ай бұрын
Who is John Wison?
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
A craze. I seem to recall that the Sinfonia so named is the really quite good orchestra that made so many records on budget ventures, for at counter sails in drug stores and at other such venues, not distinguished perhaps but surprisingly and reliably enjoyable, like my favourite category of overtures collections. @@michaelcarroll7621
@geraldparker81257 ай бұрын
Oops, SALES, not "sails"
@damianthompson7037 ай бұрын
@@michaelcarroll7621 Did I imagine Dave talking about the nascent cult of the conductor John Wilson? Right at the end of the video? Wikipedia tells me there’s a ‘John Wilson, conductor’. It’s really not that hard to find.
@michaelcarroll76217 ай бұрын
@@damianthompson703 It's really not hard to understand sarcasm either, at least for most people.
@LyleFrancisDelp7 ай бұрын
Regarding Yuja Wang, the same accusations have been leveled at Khatia Buniatishvili. I think she's a remarkable artist, and I don't really care what she wears on stage.
@bloodgrss7 ай бұрын
Yes; any woman over the last decade or so who dares to wear less than a burka or shows a 'bit of stocking' is judged by the sexist morally decadent and antediluvian as artistically lacking and as strumpets! What a world...
@WMAlbers17 ай бұрын
Yuja Wang is a great virtuoso, and her performances often transport me to the realm of Sports...
@bloodgrss7 ай бұрын
Deleted one place, back another, eh? @@WMAlbers1
@LyleFrancisDelp7 ай бұрын
@@WMAlbers1 Sports? You mean Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition?
@reamartin64587 ай бұрын
Haha 😂
@nealkurz65037 ай бұрын
Luckily you haven't covered anything (that I remember) of violinist Patricia Kopachinskaya, but good god, in any of her things posted to youtube, if you DARE dissent from the adulation of her cultish adulators, be prepared for the wrath of the PatKop-ers! If you of the opinion that she's is ignoring the composer's instructions lock, stock and barrel, and indulging in a completely narcissistic "look at ME, ME, ME" approach, you become one of those who ONLY like dead, dry, literal performances, and it's folks like "you" who are killing classical music by only permitting the boring approaches of those without any originality. Let's hope you continue to ignore her and that she doesn't need to be added to NEXT year's list.
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
I've covered her, and said she's awful. I got flack back, but it was laughable.
@nealkurz65037 ай бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide I dread the day that the young players I work with are "inspired" by and emulate her kind of nonsense. That's when I'll hang it up, and retire to an "no, it doesn't have to be urtext, but this is ridiculous" community!
@stephengould43437 ай бұрын
I prefer her dad, but sadly there's only one video of him that I am aware of
@stephengould43437 ай бұрын
Modest correction (who edits the editors?...) - it's "flak"@@DavesClassicalGuide
@hhk017 ай бұрын
How about a video with the most ridiculous comments you have received?
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
It would be too long.
@philippecassagne31927 ай бұрын
@@DavesClassicalGuide And they are generally erased ! The last one I saw before destruction was a comment stating that Haydn quartets have no value !
@LK-dz6pb7 ай бұрын
Dave, is it true that Furtwängler extensively wrote to Hitler on behalf of Carl Flesch, and played a key role in his release from Gestapo and fleeing the country? (Indeed, he used that same BS rhetorics of “not damaging German culture”, but the end result was his Jewish friend’s life saved). Or do you think his role is exaggerated?
@DavesClassicalGuide7 ай бұрын
I think everything about him was exaggerated.
@classicalemotion7 ай бұрын
That's so true dear Dave. I stopped sharing recordings for a while for that reason, I was sharing old 20thcentury recordings copying them from original sources... And for some reason they think that it came from a recent reedition and they just block them, just in case!! So democratic. It's really annoying and unfair.
@davidecarlassara85257 ай бұрын
Don't you find the Mahler cult, as much I love Mahler's symphonies, to be very annoyingly entitled?
@4420dano7 ай бұрын
Fabulously pompous rant Dave! I LOVE IT❤ keep up the good work and yes, OF COURSE your opinion is better! (No sarcasm, truly) it is! (and Yuja Wang is a lovely player, but TOO DAMN LOUD ALWAYS! ) I saw her play chamber music in Verbier. Poor destroyed cellist and violin mates...... horrid.
@vrixphillips7 ай бұрын
The Nazi 9th is really only valuable insofar as it's a historical document. We've got plenty of those, but the musical quality is less than subpar like you said :/ I just wish there had been a lot better recording quality back in the 20s and 30s because we could have (possibly) recordings of first performances of those Entartete Kunstwerks which are so fascinating and superior in every way to the fascist state-approved swill. If nothing else, I really wish Decca would rerelease that whole series in a box set 😢