Bitcoin Rap Battle Debate: Hamilton vs. Satoshi (BITCOIN GIVEAWAY) [feat. EpicLloyd, TimDeLaGhetto]

[@ERB]

Hamilton definitely depositing the goods and looking fresh in a powdered wig. Bitcoin has sparked the interest though hmmmm....might need to make some calls.

[@sparkyball1500]

ERB wow I’m first also Lloyd was in the video

[@pantlessknights]

We're happy no one got shot! Thank you for keeping it peaceful AND rigorous mr Hamilton - and for dropping some Aaron Burr / Milk commercial knowledge in the Behind the Scenes... you guys know who directed that video?

[@josuecito8018]

You should do Hamilton in one of your episodes. Like Alexander Hamilton vs Adam Smith

[@punter4769]

He started retreatin' and readin' every treatise on the shelf...regarding bitcoin.

[@andrescolon]

Nice job! I’m definitely in the Bitcoin camp. In code we trust.

[@kaithompson3074]

In defense of Hamilton, when he helped establish the banking system it wasn't fiat currency, it was gold backed.

[@turusan02]

good point

[@chris0000924]

Silver*

[@jlmc2292]

@@chris0000924 the coins were made on silver it self , bills had a weigh in gold

[@phaartt]

The gold standard was a nightmare and just saying "iT cOnTrOl iNfLAtIoN" while not allowing monetary policy to be executed properly makes the gold standard one of the worst economic ideas ever, also not to mention how even though inflation under the gold standard was low, prices in the short term deviated insanely, do your research

[@chris0000924]

@@phaartt Fud

[@TESkywalker]

Gotta love the Eastern vs Western philosophers erb battle: "It's the method, man"

[@dustingutierrez3845]

OMG IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO GOT THAT!!!!!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@vegab2543]

Made my day lol

[@krisnayudha2835]

yup, its "Now that we've covered yin and yang twins, I can move on to Jackie Cen"

[@uruneaw]

i love that one, specially the way socrates starts. Im coming of the acropolis to start some pandemonium, DONT BRING LIMP RAPS TO A PIMP SLAP SIMPOSIUM

[@addisonq3598]

Yes I knew it

[@thefigmaster3519]

Ridiculous bias in this video. End of Hamilton's bars: crowd shakes head. End of Satoshi's bars: crowd nods. without fail.

[@vibelesssssss]

Hamilton was a lot better too 😭 wtf were they doing

[@pliniojr95]

Cry harder.

[@kotvicz]

All of these are ultra biased, but fun regardless

[@sebastian3743]

"It's not the currency itself, it's the method, man" I liked that "method, man" referencing the rapper the same way it did in the Eastern vs Western Philosphers ERB (also linked by the presence of TimDeLaGhetto) good job, guys

[@JedEdelstein]

Thank god I am not the only one who recognized that

[@kevinsmak]

M E T H O D man

[@spector_0]

I caught that too lol. Only big fans would know exactly what battle that is from lol I love erb

[@Gasimo]

Thats not the only reference. :wink:

[@shinobix4925]

Can we take a second to appreciate the instrumentals Alexander was represented by Violins, Piano, Marching band Drums, and Classical instruments Whilst Satoshi was represented by an Electric Guitar and Synthesisers. Genius

[@thisriffsavedmylife]

U are genius, thanks for mentioning

[@zimboiii9025]

Holy shit dude

[@DgenerationX211]

Honestly I only watched because i saw epic Lloyd in the thumbnail BUT I'm glad I did this battle was amazing

[@kage1061]

This is proof that Epic Lloyd would've *KILLED IT* as Hamilton in the musical!😄

[@daniellee8162]

My daughter loves that show...so I sent this one to her. She knows how I'm invested on crypto too which makes this better lol

[@kage1061]

@@daniellee8162 Lol that is pretty awesome, man!

[@heinzguderian628]

@@daniellee8162 as a central governament lover you got the sticker of good mom

[@pussdesttoyer17]

ok

[@kinggiddyup]

Nope

[@danielhoyng6588]

Kinda misrepresents hamilton he lived in a time when we where on the gold standard. All the money he got was taxed or tarrifed not printed

[@joecurran2811]

Good point!

[@TheRedKing247]

He did print money, but only when there was gold to back it.

[@danielhoyng6588]

@@TheRedKing247 exactly I meant print to mean fiat money

[@peterwallis4288]

I'm sure he would be absolutely horrified that our money is backed by nothing. I think anyone from that time period would wonder how we can possibly live like this.

[@abbasmaheryar1111]

hamilton believed in centralized banking. cryptocurrencies are completely decentralized and unregulated, as any currency should be

[@ajax4887]

I don't need constant reaction shots to tell me how to feel

[@ronanmcintyre]

Especially badly acted ones

[@wisco9er536]

Exactly

[@scandaloussam]

agreed

[@maverickay5807]

Straight cringe 😂

[@stevemanart]

Seriously this. +Rhyme_Combiner stop that on future vids. The reaction shots were insulting.

[@welken3756]

Wow, THE epicLLOYD is HERE? And is this guy sun tzu?

[@r.l.royalljr.3905]

He was also Kim Jong Il.

[@WillSee_]

@@r.l.royalljr.3905 Twice.

[@silverknight2101]

Mate, I'm more hyped about The bloody Gift Of Gab as t host unull, christ

[@talhadar7017]

I've got license to il

[@talhadar7017]

Hahaha fuck that was good fun. Nothing to do much with history tho. Nobody knows much about kimmmy anyway

[@consumebeef5900]

4:43 surprisingly it’s the second time epiclloyd used the lines “method, man” in a rap battle against Timothy delaghetto

[@Stillcrow6106]

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed this

[@eprimeify2090]

That’s why it says ‘get it?’ right after

[@Roanoak]

I just need to correct one thing... american currency is not made from trees it's made from 75% cotton 25% linen... no paper

[@Bazooka407]

Mmmmm ooookay

[@Kuroda786742]

Fair enough. Why do fresh bills feel more like paper than fabric?

[@fordprefect5967]

@@Kuroda786742 because the press makes them feel that way, it's how there made. It's also really hard to recreate, that's why we also know when idiots use actual paper to recreate it

[@tobymosher2203]

True that

[@dizzysic66]

Built by slaves

[@nicholasd.6515]

The battle is okay, I like it, but the audience reactions felt biased and by biased, i mean ONE-SIDED. I didn't like that at all.

[@christiandahms8846]

Then again everyone is biased no matter who they are

[@Qril]

@@christiandahms8846 But like, the "bitcoin convention" line definitely deserved a solid reaction.

[@TechnoGlobalist]

I felt well representated xD

[@valpro4604]

@Stupid Bro Duh

[@sergiolabra8207]

Username checks out.

[@Timothy]

Definitely had no idea what 80% of my raps meant, BUT team crypto for the win, baby!!! Lmao now imma go research and invest.

[@pantlessknights]

According to the comments you repped Satoshi well... wait, are you Satoshi?

[@ProfessorMeow]

Separation of money and state. Financial freedom for the people. Taking power away from the corrupt elite. That's what Bitcoin represents.

[@xilophompilo]

it wasn't the best defense (especially about proof of work and the environmental impact bullshit) and kinda too complicated, but was solid and bitcoin ppl will appreciate it. congrats, hope you meme as badass satoshi

[@MatisyahuGreenspan]

Let me know if you have any crypto questions. Glad to answer them for you.

[@NewWaveTraders]

Get that crypto!

[@NoahRicci-fc5gx]

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[@JasonFritsch-q8t]

Absolutely. It's an exciting time to be in crypto. Strap in and enjoy the journey.

[@HelmerHolmgren]

Sound good, How do you do that? I'm interested, how do I go about getting started?

[@NoahRicci-fc5gx]

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[@MaritzaVandervort]

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[@DemarcoSanford]

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[@FaztTech]

This video is pure gold. Well, maybe pure BTC ;)

[@PC_003]

right...!!!

[@prabug5403]

Hahaha pure btc

[@julijakeit]

you cannot buy bitcoin without cash.. that should be your cue.

[@pela3154]

fazt que haces aca amigo.Sos un capo empeze a programar gracias a vos

[@sophiamason5128]

Crypto is the best For crypto investment

[@badreality2]

Both raps were "on fire", but the editor showed his/her bias, with headshots of one-sided head-shaking. Just show us the rap battle as it unfolds, we can make up our minds on our own, without propaganda.

[@yellowcactustvz4929]

"propaganda

[@breadsticks3054]

badreality2 I’m pretty sure people shone their heads for both sides

[@mondelsson]

@@breadsticks3054 maybe, but if you watch whenever Hamilton gets an audience reaction it's mostly negative. Then when it's satoshi they are mostly nodding. That is a bias as, subconsciously, it tells the viewer that Hamilton is wrong as more people disagree. The point of this is to start conversation. So don't make it look like one side is wrong off the bat.

[@7JC7]

@@mondelssonI agree.

[@AliensAreNoobs]

For fun I went back through this rap and tallied the audience’s reactions. 6 heads agreed with Hamilton and 4 disagreed. 12 agreed with Satoshi and no one disagreed. I don’t know if I missed any but hey that was a fun experiment.

[@swedishbatman]

Not gonna lie, seeing the camera cut to audience reactions was very irritating and annoying, especially after every 2 lines. If it were up to me, I'd leave out reactions entirely. Great rap battle though!

[@jasongoldman5244]

I agree- the reactions detract from the battle.

[@acatreassuresyouthateveryt7842]

yeah especially since the reaction is OBVIOUSLY positive towards one side.

[@PhilosophyCat]

FYI a couple of those audience members are crypto founders/coders - I recognized Charlie Lee (invented Litecoin) and Adam Back (Bitcoin core developer).

[@wanderingkernel5002]

And then there was someone from the crowd making a comment every line "Yeah!" "Duh!" Etc, etc, etc.

[@wizkidd6950]

I for one, am glad your are 1, its not for you to decide we are a whole XXX nation. Read between the lines .. maybe understand it takes than a brain cell to have a plan.

[@ryoung17]

I teach grade 12 computer science and this is by far the most balanced and engaging synopsis of both sides of the debate that I've seen. For the past 3 years it's made an excellent conversation starter for class discussion. Extremely well-done! Thanks to all of those who had a hand in making it!

[@grandtheftbitcoin]

BTC isnt bitcoin

[@PennyNickelMcGee]

That's awesome! I would always love when teachers let me play a rap battle in school

[@weasel101]

Its kind of one-sided but I'm cool with that. Tired of Big Banks

[@deando7081]

Wow, that's so cool!!! Kids love to learn from this.

[@R41ph3a7b6]

@@grandtheftbitcoin yeah it is

[@haribobie]

"got 99 problems but a bit aint one" "Gun!" i just love that

[@dario6463]

Last time Alexander didn't win thought.

[@CP-bm5nf]

It is every argument on the internet personified, ever. Perhaps :)

[@SCP_Wandsman13_13]

That is a reference to Tony Hawk vs. Wayne Gretzky.

[@kennenhaas1317]

That is the real point. A national fiat currency is backed by military power.

[@SCP_Wandsman13_13]

@@kennenhaas1317 isn't any currency that is used by an entire country? I'm sure that when mankind was on the gold standard, it was backed by armies.

[@izzulaizad169]

"...there´s a reason most dollars carry traces of cocaine" *Starts snorting all my money

[@artifoxtrot9292]

Izzul Aizad that’s why it smells so damn good when you pull em up together

[@Leagueminer-ve6iv]

Im snorting because my nose is running bite me

[@MisterXenomorph]

Good luck with that. Its in such trace amounts that its virtually impossible to get high of off

[@thundergodl1516]

Just make sure that you got the money directly from a drug dealer! Like... Say, this is merely hypothetical, but *coughs* do you know the drug dealer named ThundergodL1? They say if you're interested, then you should go to 2nd house in Cleveland from south entrance. Though that's mere speculation, and aren't there more than one Clevelands?

[@9bitminecraft]

1. Withdrawl 1000$ in ones 2. Soak ones in acetone for 12 hours Stirring every few hours. Use mild heat for better yeild . 3. Remove dollars from acetone 4. Put remaining solution into wide container such as baking dish 5. Put container outside and let acetone evaporate. This process should take multiple days 6. You should be left with some disgusting looking black crystalline shit. This contains basically every drug in existence 7. ?????

[@Raez_XL]

Showing the audience reactions is super annoying

[@gabathecat737]

Also, i think satoshi is is getting more positive reactions from tge audience, also he starts when the upbeat begins

[@Raez_XL]

@@gabathecat737 its a biased video. His rap has no facts. His whole premise is "freedom to the people" without facts to backup why central banking is so bad.

[@a2pha]

REALLY ANNOYING.

[@clasher3732]

@@Raez_XL how much scary is it for you "freedom for the people" ?

[@Raez_XL]

@@clasher3732 Humans, when left unregulated at least a bit, act like animals. There needs to be system of checks and balances. Too much restriction is not good because it can curtail many freedoms like freedom of speech and expression. But too much freedom can also degrade societal structures and economic institutions. Example: too much freedom in trade, commerce and industry can lead to monoplies and stifle free and fair competition.

[@Sam89365]

I can appreciate how tough this must have been to make because you must understand crypto, fiat, and rhythm to put this all together.

[@casanovitchka2866]

"its the method man" lol, how many people actually got that

[@MrStarpeto]

only one method man for me!

[@mattb6646]

Wutang

[@danielpurdom9141]

It's also a call back to an ERB where Lloyd said the exact same line. I can't remember which one off the top of my head though.

[@UnderFighter001]

@@danielpurdom9141 in the Socrates Part. Western Philosophers vs Eastern Philosophers

[@danielpurdom9141]

@@UnderFighter001 dear God, you're right. Which adds ANOTHER layer, because it was Lloyd's Socrates who said it to Timothy's Sun Tzu. Same actors. Holy crap, that's a deep callback!!

[@pierregreen5921]

I thought this was Epic Rap Battles of History.....But I'm satisfied

[@RowBlanka]

it is, i mean here we see epiclloyd and the dude who was in eastern philosophers and played kim jong il

[@alainelcarnicero]

Unlike Hamilton, he will never be satisfied

[@alainelcarnicero]

ourWorld Lucy You wouldn’t understand what I mean unless you’ve listened to the Hamilton musical.

[@alainelcarnicero]

@@LucyAdroit That's what I said.

[@alainelcarnicero]

@@LucyAdroit I answered a comment that said ''I'm satisfied'', so I said that they're satisfied, unlike Hamilton, he will never be satisfied.

[@freedomwatch3991]

Hamilton's bank was nothing like the federal reserve. And Jefferson, once in power, actually appreciated Hamilton's bank. It made managing foreign debts more easier.

[@kailuab9082]

TY

[@mickeydrago9401]

Much easier or more easy, better English...

[@Excepnexcep]

@@mickeydrago9401 does it matter? You understood what they were trying to say, at least 200 people knew what they were trying to say, it doesn't really make a difference

[@mickeydrago9401]

@@Excepnexcep Yes because i be tryin to not let peeps b ilitirit

[@mickeydrago9401]

@@Excepnexcep Stay tuned for Bitcoin taking over, And if there is any kind of defense for Fiat to compete with Bitcoin they will have to go back to silver and gold backing which actually would be an enormously great success story for Bitcoin if such an impetus (realignment with true value) comes out of the blockchain

[@SnekChrmr]

How tf Hamilton just keep dropping Ws even after death??? 💀 Probably my fav founding father, definitely was the most modern thinker among them I respect the fact that he had the foresight to see what kind of financial system the nation needed to thrive.

[@tonyisnotdead]

all financial systems eventually lead to the downfall of every nation

[@mdw546]

@@tonyisnotdead Right... I think this is a good example of 'my source is I made it the f*ck up'

[@IKnowStuff]

*Laughs in Jeffersonese*

[@randomdude2753]

@@IKnowStuffJefferson would go on to actually appreciate Hamilton’s bank.

[@andrewliu8048]

What abt Thomas Paine? More progressive than Hamilton. Really pseudo-atheist and socialist writings and campaigned against slavery, even criticizing Washington and Jefferson for it

[@PigIA]

4:16 ACTUALLY... paper money is made from cotton, not paper.

[@PennRail]

US dollars are at least. I think Canadian dollars are plastic and others use paper

[@JohnSmith-li5pj]

@@PennRail and not just that, most paper comes from sustainable fast growing trees - i.e. coniferous trees. The Amazon and all the other rainforests are not deforested for paper, they're deforested for commercial farming, mining, plantations of rubber, palm trees and hardwoods.

[@PennRail]

John Smith exactly.

[@ShadowGameGG]

@@PennRail Romania money is made of plastic too

[@chadsanchez508]

that's why you should not fall for that bet that you could burn a hole through a dollar bill with a cigarette.

[@alexshepherd1801]

Tbh Hamilton makes a far more compelling case (despite the dumb audience reactions clearly biased towards crypto). Also, Satoshi implying banks don't use encryption. Lol what???

[@rohansampat1995]

@Bruno Pereira ... no, its stronger, bitcoins strength is in a decentralized node network, the encryption is actually lacking.

[@rohansampat1995]

@Bruno Pereira cuz bitcoin literally does not use encryption ... the protection is gained from other nodes being able to identify a bad one.

[@rohansampat1995]

@Bruno Pereira The facts don't care you are right, as for encryption the ledger is not encrypted. The transactions are cryptographically verified but the ledger is visible to all. That is essentially revealing your bank activity to anyone who can trace ur address.

[@rohansampat1995]

@Bruno Pereira i do, im just saying that banks have much better encryption. Bitcoin's security is gained by other means.

[@alexshepherd1801]

@Bruno Pereira You clearly do not understand encryption if you believe that.

[@RFOXVALT]

I chose Hamilton cause his rap was tight, even thought Satoshi is close to being right. Its all about the flow in such a crucial fight, so the old-fashion dude gets my vote tonight.

[@magnusbane5437]

I see what you did there 😂

[@seigeengine]

Nah. Hamilton was closer to being right. Crypto has some advantages, but they're mostly gimmicky, excepting avoidance of regulation (good and bad).

[@linuxramblingproductions8554]

@@seigeengine sadly most cryptocurrency’s are pretty regulated although there are some exceptions

[@Saraibrown-n6z]

I remember when I just got into crypto back in 2019 but later in 2020 I ended up selling it because I was dumb and I didn't understand it. I studied and learned and now I know how it works. Got back into crypto early in 2023 with 10k and I’m up with 128k in a short period of time .This comment serves as motivation for all those who have invested and continue to invest in cryptocurrencies with so many losses, do not give up, cryptocurrencies can change your life. Do your best to connect with the right people and you will surely see changes.

[@KateMerez-w1u]

Wow congrats, do you mind sharing how you did it...

[@Grahandavid]

I'm new to cryptocurrency and don't understand how it really works. how Can someone know the right approach to investing and making good profits from cryptocurrency investments?

[@Saraibrown-n6z]

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[@VickieLackey]

I've come across this name before, is he really reliable?

[@Williampowell-c7x]

I started working with Ryan Donald back in June, and my financial goals have never been clearer. It’s like having a strategic partner for my money with a solid track record.

[@blered444]

I wanted to get into this, but the fake and exaggerated audience "reactions" were really annoying.

[@typelogin]

You must had missed Charlie Lee 1:26

[@madmojo-ou2pz]

Yeah and it didn't even look like they understood what they were saying

[@wisco9er536]

I think the point of the audience was for a different purpose. An intriguing purpose, but I cant really put my finger on it... maybe to show bias?

[@Draconarious]

@@typelogin Blood and Circus (aka distraction, in this case by reference) do not deserve a place anywhere near matters of disenfranchising the poor and subordinate with ruined accountability. Accountability is the entire point. What satoshi said in response has nothing to do with the point nor with the relevancy of accountability. I don't fucking care how it fluctuates, (as any fiat currency does and even "hard money" to a significant degree). The "invisible hand of the market" only seeks for profit and willfully finds every method to cheat the poor and subordinate. Without accountability big corporations are well known to dump toxic waste in major resources and suffer only partial social infamy. Without regulation, companies take advantage of every race-to-the-bottom, including slavery in all its forms and human trafficking, they can find to reduce the profit of their subordinates in exchange for their own luxury and undue power. Without consequences and a paper trail to enforce them, markets powers are just what we originally fucking fought to bring empowered ideals of revolution for freedom to the world: Tyrannical Mercantilist Monarchs!

[@VtwoGamers]

can I vote for the sick beat? cause that's what won in my opinion.

[@micahflanders6789]

If sick beats were a currency, the world would be a lot simpler..

[@madmojo-ou2pz]

I actually learned alot more in this rap battle about currency than they ever taught me in school or college, damm that's fucked up

[@gyorgyor7765]

Maybe epic rap battles should be integrated into the education system.

[@typelogin]

lol, made my day

[@lukefischer1323]

Obviously you didn’t pay attention because a lot is two words

[@typelogin]

@@lukefischer1323 Language changes over time. I am a linguist and can tell you that alot has been an acceptable spelling for a lot in the vernacular since the late 70s

[@lukefischer1323]

typelogin a lot is not one word no arguing over that

[@jamescallanan2443]

If I had a knickel for every time I heard EpicLloyd use a Method Man line against Timothy DeLaGhetto, I'd have two knickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice

[@MidClassWarrior]

4:43 HAHA when he said “it’s the method, man” you can hear Lloyd in the background saying “get it?”

[@jahnnypacfroy4209]

A reference about the western vs eastern philosophers him and timothy did.. he said the same quote. Just explaining for the people who don't "get it"

[@MidClassWarrior]

Lol

[@MidClassWarrior]

Ik

[@mmdh1731]

Hamilton would be disappointed if he saw what his currency inflated to today

[@phaartt]

Dude, here's some basic economic knowledge, inflation, when done to prevent deflation, is good for the economy

[@calebpaddack7450]

@@phaartt *can be good. Printing mass amounts of money is never a wise idea.

[@JorgeL721]

@@phaartt Dude, almost 1/5 of all US dollars were printed this past year......

[@gabeflame7803]

Do you know about economic cycles, before the market crash in the late 1930s, the dollar had inflated similarly, then the cycle started over and the dollar’s value returned

[@luismedeiros1211]

Gabriel Flamerich not true

[@199NickYT]

Weird to actually see a KZbin Rap Battle that actually is a great back-and-forth of ideas.

[@shinobix4925]

Yeah, too bad the audience was really biased in favour of Cryptocurrency

[@fransantelli]

@@shinobix4925 we are being herded into crypto, in subtle and overt ways.

[@ReubMann]

@@fransantelli Herded??

[@terrasentheterrarian4084]

@@shinobix4925 i mean I can't blame them

[@shinobix4925]

@@terrasentheterrarian4084 yes you can, just blame them for bias

[@JaquelinHagenes7]

Crypto is risky as many would say but I think the actual risk in Crypto is not investing, buying the capitulation isn't a tough call, but it is a very tough call to figure out what to do aside holding. I remember when I just got into crypto back in 2019 but later in 2020 I ended up selling it because I was dumb and I didn't understand it. I studied and learned and now I know how it works. Got back into crypto early in 2023 with 10k and I’m up with 128k in a short period of time

[@AlexieAuer]

I'm new to cryptocurrency and don't understand how it really works. how Can someone know the right approach to investing and making good profits from cryptocurrency investments?

[@ClaireOwen6]

As a beginner what do I need to do? How can I invest, on which platform? If you know any please share.

[@JaquelinHagenes7]

As a beginner investor, it’s essential for you to have a mentor to keep you accountable. Myself, I’m guided by Alex Mathew . A widely known crypto consultant

[@DawnRempel7]

I'm surprised that this name is being mentioned here, I stumbled upon one of his clients testimonies on CNBC news last week...

[@RoderickKuhlman57]

I started working with Alex Mathew back in June, and my financial goals have never been clearer. It’s like having a strategic partner for my money with a solid track record.

[@VibesReviews]

It was really subtle, but more shots of the spectators showed them rooting for Satoshi or disagreeing with Hamilton. It made the battle look biased from the start and physcology shows that that makes the viewers lean to the side that is gaining more support. Liked the battle, but if you want it to be an unbiased choice of the viewer, then make the camera shots more even sided. Edit: I also want to mention they pinned a comment saying that Satoshi won and applauding Bitcoin. Kind of proves my point

[@ArenaTeams2024]

It was very obviously biased but so are the actual ERB videos lol

[@BenDover-iw4yv]

Jose Canibal ?

[@MadsenAltamirano]

Who cares? This wasn't even a detailed debate. People can't rationally make up their mind by listening to rap videos. I fully support the bias. Jeffersonian Crypto FTW!!!

[@jaybeevs8612]

I counted 22 people disagreeing with Hamilton or agreeing with Satoshi with only 9 on the other side.

[@frgwyn3760]

Jose Canibal not really. Only the Donald trump one in a way but Abraham won no matter what and it’s a fact

[@zumankim1117]

I'm really surprized to see how Hamilton accurately points out problems regarding cryptocurency. That guy knows what he's sayin' lolz

[@stacknsat]

Look who funded....everything has drawbacks....just like your thinking....

[@LiterallyAWesternHognose]

@@stacknsat Beg pardon mate yah just can't say what you did and not add a point.If I'm being honest it doesn't shed a kind lite upon your side of this debate...(P.S Not ta be rude or nuttin just felt like I should help ya see a different side eh?)

[@stacknsat]

@@LiterallyAWesternHognose good point ....him starting off saying we backtrack with the technology when it solves to long-standing problems (counterfeiters and bitcoin also solves byzantine problem)

[@MrTubeYouTheif]

So many Americans afraid of whats to come. Often times makes you point your fingers at China and hate them. Here is a little fact though, Bitcoin doesn't care about Chinas Renminbi just as much as it doesn't care about Americas dollar. Bitcoin is the worlds most secure form of trade, that is itself, controlled by nobody or everybody. The fact that it takes a 51% vote to change protocol gives Bitcoin a democratic principle. Bitcoin is literally financial freedom. You Americans claim to like freedom. Bitcoin will put that to the test.

[@belland_dog8235]

@@MrTubeYouTheif You seem to have a thing against Americans mate, and you're not good at hiding it.

[@HunterMalloy]

Reactions in favor of satoshi: 17 Reactions in favor of Hamilton: 5

[@trentinfield7903]

Feelings do not dictate reality. Facts do,

[@fecomate2542]

Its kind of manipulative

[@trentinfield7903]

Lee Oswald laughs

[@justsomegerman2661]

Make that 5 a 6

[@trentinfield7903]

just some German +1!

[@kamalamy]

the writers did not realize crypto can in fact be tracked

[@TheJthedog]

TBF, when the video came out almost 5 years ago. Crypto was seen as an "untraceable currency" which is why it gained the infamy of being used a lot more in crime and black market deals. Of course we have better way to trace it now but back then law enforcement was just as clueless as the public.

[@cris694]

No, have you ever heard about Monero or Tornado Cash... That's why they have arrested the founders

[@kamalamy]

@@cris694 lol, it takes a lot of effort but mixers can be traced, don't act like a moron in youtube comment sections bro

[@JourneymanObfuscator]

This is what we need more of. Accessible, well reasoned arguments that work to bridge both sides of an argument, rather than deepening the division. ERB and friends are the modern day philosophers arguing at the Acropolis to help determine the state of things to come. It may not feel special to you today, but you are all witnessing history here. Both literally and figuratively. ------------- I feel it is more of a draw, but the lack of mention of Mt. Gox or the Dust Bowl bank-runs imo was a missed opportunity to show the inherent weakness in both systems. If this were actual ERB I would have expected some mention of Currency manipulation and maybe a guest drop in from a member of the 'Gold Network' or King Midas or something. I like this format tho, good going all. I want more of this. A lot more.

[@nicolaslarrain9264]

JourneymanObfuscator It’s very biased though, you already know their stance by seeing the reactions of the “audience”.

[@JourneymanObfuscator]

​@@nicolaslarrain9264 No doubt, but as with all of their stuff (ERB) even the side they disagree with is relatively well researched and presented. Inherent bias is unavoidable in the best of conversations, this is no different. Banks are greedy and Bitcoin is volatile, that is the essence of the presentation and it is well researched as indicated by the minutia portrayed in their lyrics. I have never been encouraged to read the Federalist Papers by anyone other than a history professor. Just because I don't agree with everything written there doesn't make it any less important to our country or the argument presented. Ignoring the younger crowd nodding their heads for blockchain and older faces agreeing with Hamilton, the rest of the presentation does a good relatively job of remaining balanced in its narrative. Admittedly there are some strawman arguments here and there, but you can find those same reasons anywhere that people are having the same discussion. That assumes however that you know people that will have this argument, if you don't then this may be the first exposure to the information. This video is for them, the curious but uninformed masses. My comment is much more about the method ;) rather than the content. I do love being entertained and educated at the same time, good education is the kind that encourage you to read more about the topic rather than proclaiming you know everything about the subject. Bonus points for using referencing 'Fiat Money'. That doesn't come up often in the impassioned discussions I have about the future of money.

[@awsomepersonism]

did yall notice how all the reactions for Hamilton were negative ones trying to subliminally push your opinion. that really bothered me.

[@dodec8449]

yeah, while Hamilton had some genuinely good points

[@Sfingus]

thats cuz fiat is shit. and bitcoin isnt? O.o

[@awsomepersonism]

@@Sfingus I agree i just dont like how they did it

[@paskal007r]

@@dodec8449 such as?

[@sdagoth3037]

Well not all of them, but yes most of them were. Might have to listen to the rap battle instead of watching it next time.

[@strangemonarchist2818]

This whole battle was slanted in favor of Bitcoin, the audience reactions, the relative lack of emphasis when Hamilton was talking about the morality of central banking, the general framing of different shots and the actors involved. However, enough points were made clearly enough to convince me, I think centralized banking is the better option.

[@aidensvocals2479]

central banking is the reason we are in so many wars

[@shadowywarrior]

@@aidensvocals2479 and bitcoin is the reason people have lost millions, its so fragile that it makes no sense. If you want to argue that a centralized banking is the reason we are in so many wars. A decenteralized banking would destroy the world economy to the point where we would be back to the stone ages. No centeralized system, civilization will stagnate or regress

[@aidensvocals2479]

So either we die from a nuclear war or we die from economic collapse

[@brendenhawley2225]

I agree, for example it left out that bitcon might be a bit centralized to, already Ghash got control of 51% of the mining, they backed down instead of seizing control but it demonstrated how economy of scale can break bitcoin. Also the fact blockchains, it is flat money too (in the sense it has no fixed exchange rate), suffers from network lag and a limit of how fast transactions can be processed as a gobal scale, it is also deflationary, so it scales poorly. 'I am not a rapper but one can dunk on bitcoin quite a bit. rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bitcoin#The_51.25_attack this shows how bitcoin was a nice dream but does not work in practice.

[@nicolasg7601]

Quidzo -gaming How is central banking the reason we are in so many wars when untraceable money would presumably help terrorists, arms dealers, mercenaries, etc?

[@PhoenixMiles_]

Coming back to this as crypto is crashing and dying out is hilarious

[@forexed8948]

truth

[@forexed8948]

@@ggexgaming6020 Once again, Colonel Hamilton proves himself correct from beyond the grave. Hamilton and his bank stands over the grave of Cryptocurrency in our time. Maybe in the future currency will be digital but in our modern time, we simply cannot afford to go Crypto.

[@bremeartic8650]

Stock market is also dying. #Cute.

[@nickanna8857]

The price is 2x what it was when this was made. The hash rate is over 8x. Unique wallets addresses are up over 4x. We'd have to tank another 80% for me to be in the red and I never trusted a centralized exchange to hold my keys for me so I haven't lost jack sqaut with all the scams these wall st firms like FTX and Celsius were running. And unlike in 2009, the government can't print more bitcoin at the expense of savers to bail those a-holes out.

[@PhoenixMiles_]

@@nickanna8857 Okay and cool.

[@history_addict136]

Actually banknotes aren't made of paper, they are made of cotton.

[@zeppelinled3967]

cotton and linen

[@history_addict136]

@@zeppelinled3967 Yep, not paper that comes from trees.

[@zeppelinled3967]

@@history_addict136 if it was so we might not have trees. Which would mean that in the end ee would not use paper money. Humans are not as stupid as movies or novels make them out to be.

[@osamabinladen824]

Cotton is the new paper.

[@rem-cr3hx]

Came here to say that

[@porcelaindoll1228]

They should make this an actual episode of Epic Rap Battles of History.

[@kevinrenz8145]

I definitely put this in my ERB playlist.

[@Draconarious]

Too bad it's riddled with false propaganda favoring a tool to disenfranchise the poor and subordinate. Accountability is the entire point. What satoshi said in response has nothing to do with the point nor with the relevancy of accountability. I don't fucking care how it fluctuates, (as any fiat currency does and even "hard money" to a significant degree). The "invisible hand of the market" only seeks for profit and willfully finds every method to cheat the poor and subordinate. Without accountability big corporations are well known to dump toxic waste in major resources and suffer only partial social infamy. Without regulation, companies take advantage of every race-to-the-bottom, including slavery in all its forms and human trafficking, they can find to reduce the profit of their subordinates in exchange for their own luxury and undue power. Without consequences and a paper trail to enforce them, markets powers are just what we originally fucking fought to bring empowered ideals of revolution for freedom to the world: Tyrannical Mercantilist Monarchs!

[@BurrShotHam711Jenna]

they should get Lin-Manuel Miranda for Hammie as well

[@emmaramirez4330]

I think it's hilarious that they acted like Hamilton was stupid for warning about crypto crashing lol

[@austinblackburn8095]

Yeah crypto is cool and all but it's to unstable to use as actually money if you are part of a stable economy that doesn't get crazy inflation. He made appoint about interest but crypto gaining so much value is what hurts it because it's value seems to be tied to speculation not actual worth and that's why it can go up and down so fast. Of course Fiat money can have this crash problem to so it's probably a better alternative in Venezuela or Zimbabwe we're the have actual problems with Fiat money.

[@leonevermore4819]

@@austinblackburn8095 In places like Venezuela or Zimbabwe, or anywhere else that virtually lost its entire economy, the barter system is the major alternative. After all, if a wheel barrel of money isn't worth the wheel barrel that holds it, why wouldn't you just trade the wheel barrel instead. Why would you except Bitcoin, which would require internet access just to transfer, which isn't even universally guaranteed. This is why Zimbabwe almost went back to Coin Currency. Because the material of any coin pressed would be worth more than the number etched on it. Cryptocurrency would only complicate a system like that.

[@austinblackburn8095]

@@leonevermore4819 I never said It was ideal I just read that some people in Venezuela were putting their money into crypto currency to try to avoid hyper inflammation. If it works for some people good. I in general at this point in time don't see crypto as anything other than a speculative investment that in the short term if done right you can make a quick buck off of.

[@chrisco512]

USD currency crisis about to implode the globe during the deepest recession in 100 years. This comment won't age well.

[@Kahoobb]

@@leonevermore4819 Actually zimbabwe uses bitcoin to transact. At least parts of it. There was this whole podcast of this woman who traveled their to specifically ask about their use of bitcoin, why and how and where they use it etc. Was a really interesting topic and I thought it was really cool they use bitcoin since its a way better alternative than their currency!

[@5r32c]

I love how Hamilton proven right even the writing was biased

[@johnpittman7095]

dont ever delete your youtube account. keep your notifications on as well so when new bitcoiners find this in 5 years and laugh at the troll who just didnt have a clue.

[@Mr.Awesome]

@@johnpittman7095 beta

[@kirbyfan5966]

@@johnpittman7095 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤓

[@johnpittman7095]

@@Mr.Awesome yes bitcoin will expose all beta currencies as the time chain continues to gobble up all the worthless fiat..open source code is the definition of ALPHA. when it comes to future investments lol

[@johnpittman7095]

@@gabrieltorres6633 your avi tells me everything i need to know..which is that you take surface level news/information and assume it as "fact" bitcoin is at 91.89% total supply and the next halving occurs in spring of 2024 and that supply shock will reflect in price by end of that same year or shortly after. this isnt a get rich quick scheme gabriel go screw around with the "cryptoverse" and get rug pulled if you dont understand why and how bitcoin is the greatest savings technology in human history. dont expect your news outlets to save you either.

[@cardonbluh2313]

I’m thinking Hamilton for the win most of bitcoins points and rebuttals were speculative.

[@Athena1007]

My favorite lyrics: "Can't Bitcoin my dentist, can't Bitcoin my breakfast, can't even use Bitcoin at Bitcoin conventions!" 😂😂😂

[@danielraissar]

You're just a n00b then

[@anaccount4354]

@@danielraissar Bruh moment

[@nicholasmccormack6490]

Well you can do all 3 now

[@KoishiVibin]

@@nicholasmccormack6490 Perhaps, perhaps, here and there, but what's the point when cash is usually what they want you to bear? To be entirely honest, crypto shows promise, but today right now I'd never put my cash on it

[@nicholasmccormack6490]

@@KoishiVibin No. Using a crypto card anywhere that accepts visa allows you to use crypto. You are just missing out, I made 110% from crypto investments last month.

[@clownonabike]

I love Bitcoin but I gotta say, in style and presentation, the prize goes to Alexander Hamilton!

[@JPGOTTBERG]

The style police have issued a warrant for your arrest

[@evolutionmax9791]

And the presentation FBI

[@ryanphillips4123]

Hamilton's a baller! What can I say?

[@silverbubble1037]

ikr, there were so many critiques "satoshi" could have made on fiat, recession, and central banks, but instead he used a lot of flimsy arguments

[@jimmypchacko]

Amazing video you guys break down all the key arguments in a fun way

[@BaxBaxBoy]

I hate how everyone was against Hamilton.

[@aidengoosemorey3499]

Agreed

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

I belive the PRC government actually banned Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies such as Litecoin and Monero although they're now developing their own digital currency but obviously being a centralised system designed to grab further power onto the people of Mainland China, Hong Kong and Macao.

[@YousefTobail]

Because the subconscious mind of the human prefers something new and improved over something older

[@JohnnyThund3r]

China hates the Bitcoin more then just about anything. Wealthy people in China use it to flee the totalitarian regime and move to America.

[@crypto_esoterica818]

China hates bitcoin because they didn't come up with it first. Bitcoin will become the world's next reserve currency, because its the only and first desensitized world currency. Hold on to your hats of realization🤠😂🖖

[@wisco9er536]

Man, this video was SSOOOOOO GOOOOD! It was really informative, like, holy cow.

[@elijahking6562]

Satoshi: "a bunch of rich white guys made this system" The black guy on Hamilton's team:👁👄👁

[@mickeydrago9401]

Of course there was never a black guy on the Hamilton team, all founding fathers white men.,.. English vs. the king

[@Sonic8577]

It kind of makes sense, Hamilton was one of the few founding fathers that was against slavery which is one of the reasons why he was hated amoung most of the founding fathers

[@nicolasg8091]

@@Sonic8577 A lot of the founding fathers were against slavery. Hamilton was hated because he was an urban Federalist.

[@Sonic8577]

@@nicolasg8091 Yet they implemented it into the constitution and did nothing to try to get rid of it. Hamliton spoke out strongly against slavery and was opposed to it being in the constitution but couldn't do anything about it because a lot of the founding fathers supported it. I understand that they foght in a war 8 year war with the british but the war ended 1783, Thry had all the time in the world to end slavery but didn't so I highly doubt it.

[@landenconner4462]

@@mickeydrago9401if “all” founding fathers were white, then please explain to me who Frederick Douglass was?

[@davidcobb2682]

Hamilton's verses aging like the finest of wines. RIP FTX, and voyager, and Celsius and...

[@Smier46]

Centralized exchanges going bust

[@Sayinclay]

@@Smier46 Sure they are....

[@randomdude2753]

@@Smier46 “My source is my feelings 😢” 😂

[@ODespertarColetivo]

@@randomdude2753 There are no feelings, it's a fact, they were centralized exchanges lol

[@ASH-su6nb]

@@randomdude2753 they are centralized exchanges, literally what they are. where is the feeling in that, explain?

[@becomingsentient1208]

One typo in the address means that I'm not ready to push for Bitcoin yet. Impressive arguments on both sides, but I have to give it to Hamilton for having an identity, not just a handle.

[@GenrealGreed]

4:13 from what im aware of paper producing companies usually keep planting trees so that way they can still have jobs and make money in both ways

[@aidengoosemorey3499]

Plus cash is made with cotton

[@Coconut_Juice255]

@@aidengoosemorey3499 and linen

[@nachokoenig6279]

@@aidengoosemorey3499 he said bills and forms and triplicates never cash

[@mickeydrago9401]

Dollars are actually 75% cotton, No trees required... The other 25% is from flax (linen)

[@TheObsidianX]

Yeah paper production is sustainable since paper companies understand it would be bad if they ran out of trees.

[@33amra33]

Great work. This piece has better arguments and points than some paper I've read. Great for starting the discussion.

[@godfreyzvenyika8092]

"The banks serve Wall Street, crypto serves all streets" thats my favourite lyric. Satoshi won...billions of people are still unbanked

[@popi12385]

1) this should be in ERB 2) it was insane good 3) Hamilton went straight to the jogular he deff won the other person was more passive overall

[@BurrShotHam711Jenna]

someone should send this to Lin

[@joshleblanc1]

"Try updating Cash, go ahead, I'll wait." When I first heard that line, I thought it was pretty good, then I realized that....it's already happened? Canada's got a whole new set of bills, 'updated' from the old paper versions.

[@3k04t9]

joshleblanc1 America literally updates its bills on the reg to help counter counterfeiting, it was such a BS point

[@alexshepherd1801]

@@3k04t9 Most of the Satoshi points were

[@yellowcactustvz4929]

They don't get the old ones out of circolation. It is a good point.

[@helmetguy6495]

@@yellowcactustvz4929 Old dollars eventually go out of circulation. Old ones still around end up having to be traded in for new bills. Of course interest rate adds up. A bill from 1860 would be worth a ton today.

[@yellowcactustvz4929]

@@helmetguy6495 If you take 160 years we are not in a good position though

[@claradumas9938]

Success is about focusing Your energy on what creates results and using what you already know

[@teguhlestari5820]

Assets that can make you rich!

[@teguhlestari5820]

1.Crypto

[@teguhlestari5820]

2.Stocks

[@teguhlestari5820]

3.Shores

[@robinkozlov4024]

@@teguhlestari5820 You are right sir

[@notepad9883]

Satoshi: "...Most dollars carry traces of cocaine." Freud: *changes practice to cash only*

[@michaeladair6557]

"There's a reason why most bills carry traces of cocaine"... Satoshi nailed that one.

[@forsenSC2Pro]

"Stop targeting my rights. I own my purchased power and the market sets the price" - The smell of freedom

[@defikidsmusic]

Satoshi TKO!

[@fidlaf1]

zO + The NSA TKO!

[@LifeSizeBox]

💯

[@therecyclingguy256]

@404 Limit If THATS TRUE THEN ITS A WIN-WIN....BTC WILL SHOOT UP IN NUMERICAL VALUE

[@GumSkyloard]

"Wait? Cash works! You immediately pay!" That already beat Satoshi into the core of the Earth.

[@msduckie6120]

Thank you~~ have been watching your channel for couple of weeks ago and it's really make sense and it really help me through

[@caseystone88]

would gladly appreciate if you can introduce us to a better platform where we can earn profits on a daliy bases......BTC/ETH/DOG/,

[@damienbella5701]

Doge to the moon and beyond

[@marinetepatrocinio3265]

@@damienbella5701 Thanks you for your update Am long term holding. I love dogecoin

[@damienbella5701]

Ganga and doge, a winning combination

[@ΜάϊκλΤζάκσον-λ7ζ]

I'm 50% ADA 50% BTC 5 year hold

[@jak214]

Nice unofficial episode of ERB! I say Hamilton won.

[@vwin9112]

FLASH IN THE PAN HIP HOP BATTLES OF NOWADAYS!

[@OmniversePosting]

Better than ERB

[@jrking8455]

I agree Hamilton won Lloyd came a lot stronger with the facts and puns, but its close Tim DeLaGhetto has a sick flow and follows the beat much better.. Either way still a epic good battle

[@zeppelinled3967]

the bias is real! audience reactions and pinning the comment which said that Satoshi won. come on!

[@Blank-pr4pt]

Y e p

[@mrmatt2466]

The system is so broken

[@ctt82]

Fiat is getting printed to infinity and beyond. It will be worth less than the paper it was printed on. BTC however is decentralized, limited in supply (deflationary) and unhackable (zero success in 11 years). BTC is the real hard money, fiat is a ponzy scheme.

[@PennRail]

USD isn’t on Fiat

[@thatcrockpot1530]

@@PennRail Yes it is, as a matter of fact your ex-president Nixon (assuming you're american) said so himself in 1971.

[@BankyTheMachine]

For me: Hamilton wins the argument, but Nakamoto had hotter bars. Loved it all around!

[@BurrShotHam711Jenna]

don't modulate the key then not debate with me =)

[@Chickennugget2450-m9y]

very biased towards satoshsi, we can all agree hamilton WAS right though

[@TiagoeShelby]

No

[@Chickennugget2450-m9y]

Ok buddy

[@traviswall1982]

No, Hamilton's central banks allowed the national debt to increase in ways that have never seen before. Now, Satoshi is also wrong, but there was no ghost of Lysander Spooner coming in to spank both sides in defense of gold.

[@dkoda840]

@@traviswall1982 Hamilton's central is one of the very reasons the country now nation is even alive today. The national debt has increased due to poor finance policy long after Hamilton passed away.

[@Hamnam2]

yeah the biased reactions from the audience is hilarious

[@seenthebean9540]

Who lives, who dies, who raps your story.

[@davidfoster9041]

EpicLloyd is one of the most indentifiable people to ever be on youtube. In otherword's everybody knows what he looks like.

[@SCP_Wandsman13_13]

Of course he does. He looks like everyone.

[@dg4262]

identifiable*

[@zecvideos3464]

4:44 Its the method, man...That Socrates flashback :D

[@ammonquitalig9077]

Ive got 99 problems and a bit aint one

[@sushidev1]

I was thinking the same haha

[@varangiangaming7178]

Turns out Hamilton was right about crypto being a scheme

[@tomzack3993]

Gov'ts control everything. There is nowhere to run. Blockchain had to be invented, it's human nature to resist. You've got holy grail to freedom in your hands. It's up to you if you protect it and be free or sell it for gold and be a slave. Choose wisely.

[@ellugerdelacruz2555]

Amen.

[@Arif-eb4cd]

It's not over yet

[@ellugerdelacruz2555]

@@Arif-eb4cd It will be soon...

[@hackersagainsttoxics3263]

@@ellugerdelacruz2555 chaos is unstoppable, you cannot end it

[@smashyboi6887]

I hate how when Hamilton is rapping everyone is shaking their heads, but this man is speaking FACTS, I mean, he literally paid off the US debts, help start the US dollar into what it is today, and is basically the greatest secretary of treasury we have ever had!

[@falquicao8331]

But he's outdated. "real" money is just as volatile as cripto currencies, and between trusting a government and trusting a code, I prefer the latter

[@smashyboi6887]

@Falqui Cao Actually, statistics say Bitcoin is way more volatile, and the money we use today has been with us for centuries, and is way more trustworthy than a new and easily hack able crypto currency.

[@falquicao8331]

@@smashyboi6887 I mean, the dollar is not as volatile because people trust it on no basis, but it's still not backed up by something real, which means it's a worthless piece of paper that's only worthy because the person in front of you think it is, just like the bit coin. Also, easily hackable? Who told you that? It's more likely to get your bank account hacked than your bitcoin one

[@smashyboi6887]

@Falqui Cao While I do understand that bit coin is not easily hack able (my mistake). It has no regulation, which means if it were to get hacked at any point, the system itself would crumble and many people would lose their bit coin.

[@seanliebel6306]

@@falquicao8331 Not when Hamilton's money was based on inflation, debt, and centralization of power into few hands. That is immoral to me and not good money whatsoever. He was a traitor and a stooge not for liberty. Whether a medium of exchange works well or not is what matters and computers work very well largely. That's a fact not just about volatility. Computers have problems sure but are one of the biggest technologies people use today because they make sense to use to help make our lives better. It wouldn't be about Bitcoin in another era.

[@baileyclark2620]

I started out kinda on the border but as it went on flipped sides as they made better points. Really neat way to mix history, rapping and learning! Absolutely loved the debate!

[@reallyWyrd]

This is how debate is supposed to actually work. I mean -- they didn't used to be raps, of course. But: this is generally the format. Each side presents arguments. Then you get go actually Think For Yourself, and Decide Stuff.

[@tahunuva4254]

@@reallyWyrd pffft, get with the time. The way to win a debate these days is to crack constant jokes about trump Oh wait

[@dreadedthread2163]

The method, man. 99 problems but a bit ain't one definitely my highlight.

[@BestRadu]

Amazing job ! Really awesome lyrics and beat. The idea was top notch and it needed to be done. Surprised I did not see this on ERB first but not disappointed one bit !

[@anaccount4354]

Best flow: Satoshi Best lines: Hamilton Overall losers: The actors in the audience

[@supC_]

Sebastian Demerjian nah, those guys were the worst. They’re the overall losers imo.

[@anaccount4354]

@@supC_ Yeah but they were so dumb I laughed too hard.

[@Frisk_Afton1997]

Sebastian Demerjian I mean by that logic the real winner is you.

[@subrotoxing8214]

yes... hamilton won me over with can't even use bitcoin in bitcoin conference... LOL

[@wellalrightthen3920]

The real winner was the friends we made along the way.

[@EpicMogi]

Gonna have to say Hamilton won, his design was so complex that it takes more than one man to understand

[@cristianmoriggia]

His financial plan was an outrageous demand and there were to many damn pages for any man to understand.

[@timothymack1653]

Cristian Moriggia tell that to bitcoin because most people don’t know coding and how to read it

[@cristianmoriggia]

That was a reference to “Hamilton: An American Musical”.

[@TheNarwhalGal]

@@cristianmoriggia So stick with me, in the land of the free, and pray to God we never see Hamilton's candidacy.

[@muhammaddanialbinshahrizal1764]

@@TheNarwhalGal When British tax us, we got frisky Imagine what will happen when you try to tax our whisky,

[@0fucksftw]

It's a trick question since they are both spot on - Hamiltons federalist papers were just as accurate back in 1788 as satoshis white paper is for the 21st century

[@John055TO]

5 years ago on November 20th, bitcoin price was around $8,500. At time of writing 23 November 2024, bitcoin price is $98,200

[@anthonyhu6705]

hamilton: makes reasonable point about the instability of bitcoin audience: *S H A K E S H E A D V I O L E N T L Y" Edit: the point of this comment is to discuss how the reactions are skewed

[@batukhan1]

@Stupid Bro bitcoin didn't crash because of its inherent flaw, it crashed because everyone was trading in its value instead of using it as currency. Shit like this happened first time bank notes were issued in Europe.

[@Lucas-de4mb]

​@@batukhan1 It did, but the thing the first banknotes crashed because of a lack of base and fiat and now bitcoin has a base: Fiat and it failed

[@CG4U]

@Stupid Bro really? I don't see a crash. All uptrend and the money rolling.

[@Darnelj1]

@@CG4U it's had multiple crashes. It will probably crash again, and for good, years from now. But that's detailed discussion for another day.

[@nonameAUS7]

@Stupid Bro bitcoin is making a huge comback

[@michaelramon2411]

3:58 I'm not an expert but... how are people without bank accounts supposed to use Bitcoin? I would think they would be even more cash-reliant.

[@andreasdietl5897]

Phone and atm

[@quebec__12]

@@andreasdietl5897 Not everyone has gadgets to use, that's why cash is reliable

[@jimzorn3853]

@@quebec__12 Poor people in Africa and Asia have more access to a phone then to a bank.

[@nigmonster]

@@jimzorn3853 no. As a person in asia i can confirm that this is not true.

[@jimzorn3853]

@@nigmonster That depends on a lot of things. I lived in China for six years, but only in big cities so I didn't see the poor people, and only in China, so I didn't see people in different countries. What I've heard is that people from Myanmar who go to Thailand for work, have to pay large fees to use services to send their money back home. Such fees could be greatly reduced through the use of cryptos.

[@MrMelonMan100]

Precious metal holders: *stares in confusion

[@PsychologicalCynic]

Right.

[@Mediagix]

You still need to trust your vendor to hand it out to you. Therefore I hope you don't store it in a bank. Not so with Cryptos.

[@JustinDynamicD]

Pst: during Hamilton's time money was silver backed. So this entire battle is actually just a Bitcoin ad as they didn't even bother to represent Hamilton properly.

[@PsychologicalCynic]

@@JustinDynamicD Hamilton was criticized by Jefferson for his desire for central banking specifically due to the inflationary/deflationary nature of government and their favoring of corporations. He may not have spoken to the release of the bimetallic standard of the fiat (Crime of 1983 for silver, and 1971 for gold) but his ideas for centralized banking set the ground work for its inevitability.

[@PsychologicalCynic]

@@Mediagix No, you just have to hope that so many cryptos aren't created that FOMO will disperse the value of those cryptos and inflate all of them into a constant equlibrium of market cap value ad infinitum.

[@caocao4731]

After KBF, Satoshi's arguments aged like milk.

[@zavir7490]

FIAT sponsored scam Crypto excange goes under = bitcoins fault ok bruh

[@FoxMaster]

SBF*

[@ODespertarColetivo]

The people liking this comment doesnt even know the name of the centralized exchange right

[@CueBall5697]

Not your keys not your coins. Get a wallet already…

[@IsuAsenjo]

What's that again?

[@Poliloco]

I'm a bitcoiner, but definitely, Hamilton won this rap battle "Can't bitcoin the Dentist Can't bitcoin my breakfast Can't even use bitcoin at bitcoin conventions" BURN!

[@vesuvio3810]

Of course you can use bitcoin to pay these things, there's a lot of methods.

[@errikosmanoysakhs8071]

@TA Assasin But again the gold's value is expressed in dollars or euros or whatever currency. You cannot use gold to pay so it is not a medium of exchange like traditional currencies. It is rare to find places that accept bitcoins so in its current state is a worse currency than for example the dollar.

[@Vivi-xn9iz]

@@errikosmanoysakhs8071 well, im pretty sure they would accept gold

[@errikosmanoysakhs8071]

@@Vivi-xn9iz would you use gold to buy a bottle of water? Is it 100% that they would accept this way of payment? I feel in both occasions is a solid no. Dollar on the other hand is always accepted as a way of payment so it is a better currency. Generally curency is called whatever is universally agreed as a medium of exchange. Since it is not universal it isnt a currency or at best it is a crappy one despite its value which is calculated in terms of actual effective currencies

[@Vivi-xn9iz]

@@errikosmanoysakhs8071 well, i live in a territory with a lot of gold searchers, they pay things with gold it may not be accepted on large markets (walmart-like) but i can be accepted pretty much anywhere

[@Erakius323]

Hamilton won. Although this was massively slanted in favour of bitcoin with the audience reactions, Hamilton made the strongest points.

[@aidengoosemorey3499]

Yeah I thought the audience was biased. Hamilton definitely won.

[@bradyshaw1487]

This was ridiculously in favor of bitcoin. Hamilton ftw!!! 🇺🇸

[@andrewhoward8048]

You’re insane lol

[@theplaybunnyarcade3375]

I don't really see how. All Hamilton's points are just "government needs to be in control." The best point he had was that insurance can pay you back if something gets hacked but historically, insurance has actively prevented people from recovering their lost money and that ignores that bitcoin has its own intermediary insurance system as well.

[@aspecttnd]

@@theplaybunnyarcade3375 It wasn't about the government needing to be in control, it was that SOMEONE was in control to regulate and make sure things don't just tank and lose their value. Plus, if something goes wrong, we at least have a way of tracing and finding lost money, while with Bitcoin it quite literally is gone. Even if there is a record of insurance trying to keep or prevent people from getting their money, at least there's the OPTION of possibly getting your money back instead of just being gone and there's no possible way to recover it.

[@andrewlee8070]

"Movie moguls fought hard against the VCR, horse and buggy manufacturers all hated the car" Really telling of initial backlash that innovation faces until people finally realize the immense convenience and advantages of new technology Kind of like how back in 1995 there were still people who speculated that the internet would never take off or just be used by criminals, sounds oh so similar...

[@wulfricr7635]

Think that was his point. He was saying nobody would like or trust it to work to begin with but it'd be proved to be a great thing (like the VCR or the car)

[@arthasmenethil4672]

That's why oil and coal hates solar and wind so much.

[@TheRealAlpha2]

New tech, new problems. Want people to adopt stuff, take time, make it work. The less trouble it causes the more people will use it.

[@gorade1901]

@@arthasmenethil4672 Well, that's part of it. Another argument used against solar and wind is that people don't think it on it's own, as it stands anyway, could make enough power, taking into account how much it costs to keep it running, to supply a country. France is the closest at about 60% but they still need the other 40. Whether you agree with that is up to you, but that, much like this debate, is one worth researching for yourself.

[@hq4287]

This is a true point. But another side to the internet boom is explored in Tim Harford's program on BBC Radio 4, 50 things that made the modern economy, in his episode on bitcoin: those that invested in the internet at the start didn't understand what it would mean for the future, and didn't profit from it generally.

[@3xp0sé33]

I think that Hamilton won. The market crashed in Crypto in 2022, so another dub for the Founding Fathers.

[@alberthernandez9384]

Awesome job giving Hamilton a solid argument. Really well done

[@universenerdd]

@@helentrinidad871 reported lol

[@jordykroeze]

What was the solid argument?

[@jakemccauley4724]

I think Hamilton’s one truly valid argument was “one typo in your address now it’s gone forever”. However I believe this one can be innovated past.

[@drmadjdsadjadi]

You mean like when he drew a musket when he obviously lost the debate? 😂 😂 😂

[@mappsmappings4025]

@@jakemccauley4724 nah he had really good points about 1. how you can't really use bitcoin to do much of anything 2. It can crash and can also be abused by crypto miners (one example of the former I believe is when China made the value of bitcoin tank or something 3. what you put plus probably others

[@IvanGomez-dp3qs]

Obviously Satoshi won. This part of the lyrics reminded me of a talk given by Andreas Antonoupolus in which he says that nowadays one of the functions of fiat money is being a system of surveillance. "Their national cash is how they keep control, But freedom to the people was my ultimate goal." I'm a venezuelan and I have experienced how a national currency can be use as a mean of political control. And I'm not talking only about exchange controls, but about impoverishing the people in order to make them dependent of the government. And given the fact that we have a digitla hyperinflation because cash here is useless, they keep record of every transaction you make in bolivares. I can say that Bitcoin saved me and my family. Bitcoin is freedom.

[@x2ul725]

If you hodl and traded BTC and your family is good then thanks to you, not just bitcoin. Also bitcoin is easily tracked as easy as my youtube post. They just do not do it unless special cases. You mean to thank decentralized concepts but if you made money your timing and skills are on point. Most lose money trading BTC these days at least.

[@IvanGomez-dp3qs]

​@@x2ul725 Of course. If you don't work hard, Bitcoin by itself can't help you because it is only a tool. You can use it or not, and it can serves you or not. What I meant and wanted to highlight is how great it is to have an alternative. When devaluation and hyperinflation hits your national currency, you can work 24/7 and still your money will disappear in thin air. Combine that with exchange controls and you will be in big trouble. About the traceability, yes, Bitcoin addresses can be tracked. What is hard is identifying is to whom belongs that address (unless you have use that address to receive money in an exchange wallet with KYC requirements). That's why there's so many hackers unpunished. But yes, in that sense cash is more private than Bitcoin. Maybe I would have been more precise if I had said system of control rather than system of surveillance.

[@x2ul725]

@@IvanGomez-dp3qs sounds like u know what u r talking about. Goodluck friend. We all have our countries issues. Hyperinflation sucks.

[@IvanGomez-dp3qs]

@@x2ul725 Good luck to you too!

[@danielperry9757]

I feel like Epic Lloyds cheating on Nice Peter being in this!

[@itsyaboiherman]

I know right lol

[@EpicMogi]

Is he really? It was his idea after all

[@luckiystar716]

They mentioned in Sigmund Freud v Mother Teresa behind the scenes that they did this and it's cool lmao, it's just him enjoying himself by being in another rap. If anything, it brings them more exposure. No hard feelings, just fun talk. We're all enjoying this here =)

[@J0ECRAWF15H]

good for him. He is the superior rapper, afterall.

[@nappyk96]

Daniel Perry he's got a new rap partner in Timothy lol.

[@theskyworrier]

We need a part two to this now after all that's happened. Like if you agree so maybe they can see this! Also come on Satoshi the us dollar bills aren't made from trees. They're made from cotton!