The March of History: Mises vs. Marx - The Definitive Capitalism vs. Socialism Rap Battle

Is history marching inevitably towards centrally planned socialism, as Karl Marx proclaimed? Or is the best path to continued progress and expanding prosperity liberal, democratic capitalism as recommended by Ludwig von Mises? Learn more at misesvsmarx.aier.org
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[@ReverendNillerz]

The market demands more rap battles like this.

[@bartdr5146]

I can pay for it!

[@spfcasual3786]

As much as I hate it, I cannot censor you

[@truthhertz10]

This actually made me lol

[@jonasfelisilda5777]

Lol

[@ronanpasla2083]

The cooperation demands more ideas like this

[@jonasfletcher9926]

I'm feel alittle dumb to admit that it took me awhile to realise that Marx and Mise are played by the same guys who bought the tickets.

[@polishrepublic5055]

Most of people also don't saw it.

[@vladimirkovacevic4415]

Me to kid

[@RobotischeHilfe]

Same

[@RobotischeHilfe]

@Mr. Tambourine Man same same

[@janvancura8412]

Well it was preaty obvius for Mises but the marx beard can be problem

[@robertm.8653]

Imagine having a very different opinion on such a subject with your friend, and not letting it divide you. ❤️

[@averyshumway2345]

Darkeyes of the world unite!

[@bendu8282]

EXACTLY UNITE DESPITE DISAGREEMENTS!!!

[@oracle372]

My friend is a minarchist and I’m a demsoc, haha

[@TheSummersilk]

I don't have commie friends.

[@nalat1suket4nk0]

I do

[@Seventy5Percent]

"You kicked down the door, but you locked us out" That's uh... that's not how doors work lol

[@jonahshevtchenko7356]

Rhythm needs to be on line

[@benchwashere]

from now on: every political debate has to be done through a rap battle.

[@kimberlyepps3730]

😂😂😂

[@hughshazamjanus9390]

I would sign that petition so fast lol

[@raydonnaicker3419]

I agree.

[@Coolsomeone234]

+1

[@nenmaster5218]

@@Coolsomeone234 Theres lots Discussion to have. I warmly reocmmend 'Is Capitalism even Efficient?!' by 'Second Thought', as well as the Times he and the KZbinr Some More News talked about Workers, Worker-Rights and Unions.

[@rico0920]

we can all agree on one thing: half of this video was good Edit: thanks for the likes, nowadays i'm a communist but i don't really think this video is a true example of my beliefs, well.. bye bye! ❤

[@calanmcshane554]

The capitalism part was good

[@masonaadland2811]

The good part was pretty good imo

[@Masonpapa]

As an anarcho cap I liked the entire video

[@keynat9755]

Haha, I loved this video. Good points on both ends.

[@Airman56]

@@calanmcshane554 I agree

[@codecombustion7878]

In case anyone is wondering, the books referenced here are as follows: "Capital" By Thomas Piketty "The Road to Serfdom" By Friedrich Hayek

[@mastrblastr3010]

Pikettt of course isn't a Marxist. He's a social democrat, a reformist capitalist.

[@porsche911sbs]

my boy Tommy P

[@LocalLibertarian]

Gotta love free enterprise

[@steltron]

*Serfdom

[@enraikow6109]

Surprisingly, with having none of them cut in between each other and with great points, proof, and quick deliverance that also rhyme, this is probably the theoretical ideal form of debate humanity could only dream and never achieve.

[@blakeh9231]

Issue is only one provided actual statistics and data to back his point up The other only pander to emotions and false morality

[@Cyborg_Lenin]

@@blakeh9231 Now which one is which.

[@literallyarthurmorgan.]

@@Cyborg_Lenin That's exactly what I was wondering lmao

[@impelau]

@@blakeh9231 Obviously, one is the one who is right and the other is wrong

[@impelau]

Otherwise known as the dispute of the blind with the deaf

[@canuckofbruh9893]

Ah yes KZbin comments. the place for only the most ‘intellectual’ discussions.

[@6XenYang9]

Like yours.

[@canuckofbruh9893]

Malekith eh. I just come here to watch arguments. Although I haven’t been in this comment section in about a month.

[@blurg9677]

Canuck Of bruh what about that comment then??

[@canuckofbruh9893]

Blurg96 wdym? I’m a shitposter bruh. This comment isn’t even a discussion or ‘intellectual’. It’s just a dry remark about KZbin comments in most cases. I didn’t think I would have to explain that but apparently I do.

[@blurg9677]

Canuck Of bruh that’s fine but what about that comment?

[@animan095]

So this is the generation that learns social ideologies from rap battles

[@noname-zp1yh]

Meh who cares. Whatever works. If a youtube rap battle is what gets people intrested in the systems around them then I don't see what's so bad about that. The only stupid thing is when people only listen to the rap battles and stop at that but I feel like anyone who wants people to follow a system they believe in eventually realizes that you can't expect them to always read a buch of dry boring theory. You have to get good at convincing people and rewording all that theory and philosophy into words they can actually understand without spending years in college. This is already done with science so I don't see what's so wrong with doing the same with politics as long as it's done well. The problem is that most of the time it isn't done well.

[@bemotivated8443]

ERB

[@googleuser9383]

It's a pity, but it does work. It's better to have idiots educated through rap battler than uneducated idiots.

[@gondwannagondwanna4471]

Yeah the “free” public schooling might be catching up to us lol I laughed really hard when I saw ops post.

[@PossumsDont69]

@@noname-zp1yh The problem is that just the basic concept that socialism and communism are the same is fundamentally flawed. If you want fake news, the fact that they call carl marx a socialist instead of a communist is fake news.

[@ASweetShortCake]

“So capitalism is diabetes” Regardless of what you believe, that line is actually kinda funny 😂

[@HANKSANDY69420]

*...and communism is starvation... :V* EDIT: clownbread nerd here corrected me on typo 👇

[@s3m1f64]

@@HANKSANDY69420 let me guess, you're an 11 year old hispanic kid that only repeats what your parents say about politics

[@Eliamaniac]

@@HANKSANDY69420 communism* Why the hell would it be? Are you just joking?

[@HANKSANDY69420]

@@Eliamaniac *Are you a Russian?*

[@filip3529]

@@HANKSANDY69420there were many different places and situations, for example in Poland after war many people had opportunity to eat meat on daily basis in contrast to pre war villages.

[@user-we1nj5ym1q]

At now I watched this for like 20+ times. When I see this video first time I just think ''what is this, economist rap battle?'' I thought it was strange and creative, so I went to check it out.This video has many of my favorite part like the melodies, sentences, and many parts of speech. And there are a lot of parts that I don't understand as well too, because I'm not someone who follows or studies much about economics. But it's still good for me. But after this time I watched, It's just not only about conflict of capitalism and socialism. This sentence is actually the turly question to ask for humanity development ''​Where are we going? What's the right course? What will motivate us? Incentives or force?''

[@ExPwner]

Keep studying. Each segment has different concepts that you can look up as well as different economists referenced. In particular the part about labor theory of value being disproven by (Eugen) von Bohm Bawerk is something people should learn.

[@gypster2004]

Mises was really on to something there.

[@Eliamaniac]

My advice is don't get caught up in internet politics. Read books from the two sides, learn about economics (even tackle Marx's Das capital if you can??). Marx's ideas are clearly misrepresented here. I don't blame the video, it's already hard to try it.

[@Gabriel-dk5db]

My friends : do you only listen to classical music or what ? Me: no I also listen to rap sometimes Them : Oh yeah who? Me : it's complicated...

[@isaiahoconnor8236]

You a Tim Pool Fan?

[@Gabriel-dk5db]

@@isaiahoconnor8236 no

[@isaiahoconnor8236]

@@Gabriel-dk5db LOL , He just says "Its complicated" almost every video LOL :)

[@chriswhiting2926]

Gabriel - this is so on point for me as well lol

[@rockk9753]

@@isaiahoconnor8236 who the fuck is tim pool?

[@nikolaevkatesla3823]

As a capitalist pig I must accept that “Doesn’t that sound laisez Unfaire” It’s pure fire

[@vinnyvin4287]

Laisez-Unfaire, you missed the pun... Laissez-Faire is basically the Marxist version of Capitalist (in that it's the most free version. Contrary to opinions, Marxism systemically doesn't incorporate big government, though of a transition of Capitalism-->Marxism can, and often times does end in that.

[@jasonterry1959]

@@vinnyvin4287 Marxism? Free? Yikes.

[@therabbi9848]

@@vinnyvin4287 While I can agree that a true communist society as Marx described has never been fully implemented, that's because the nations that have attempted it can never seem to get past the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" phase.

[@vinnyvin4287]

@@jasonterry1959 Marxism is a free ideology, though ofc it has problems (like incentives to work), and is violent (as in, demands violence for it to even work).

[@vinnyvin4287]

@@therabbi9848 Fair, of course, there is flaws within Marx's theories, especially in the transition phase, and some major problems in the phase of governance (like the incentive to work, and how to re allocate resources without price [a system of valuation] to direct value to).

[@thenotsodiscretewolf2098]

Ironically if you have ever read marx's he was fine with capitalism at the start but has out growing its usefulness and he said capitalism is a step to socialism.

[@flatarthur3161]

Yeah I've noticed that while he was extremely anti-capitalistic, he did see some positives of capitalism and thought that it was good for setting up the conditions for communism.

[@thenotsodiscretewolf2098]

@@flatarthur3161 its because to him capitalism was bad but not as bad as Feudalism.

[@flatarthur3161]

@@thenotsodiscretewolf2098 I know and I agree that capitalism is a better system than feudalism but there is still the element of class domination and so capitalism must go.

[@paeanaitoko7019]

@@flatarthur3161 OK? What is your point ? Ever since the start of humanity there were always classes. From strong to weak, kings to peasant and finally rich to poor. No matter how you look at it people will always want to be better than others. Because we are humans imperfect in every way possible.

[@flatarthur3161]

@@paeanaitoko7019 Class society wasn't always a thing.

[@ismetdenizay3616]

It is really really really the most perfect "rap battle", "discussion", and "compossibility" I have ever seen.

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Keywords Rich, Poor, Incentive and Capitalism all got covered repeatedly by 'Some More News'

[@slevinchannel7589]

Capitalism can be fixed enough to not gen0cide the species, i think, but why settle for that? I became a socialist after i reailized its lied about a lot and that gave me flashbacks to the theory of evolution A thing mighty-much lied about

[@hashly8521]

this shit is ass, crazy how much better the erb one is

[@rorygamble8599]

"Yeah, I read theory" The theory:

[@I_GAMER-]

Exactly. Why the hell Marx sounds like typical Marxist-Leninist dictator from American propaganda?

[@I_GAMER-]

@Діма Базалюк о, прошу прощения, я забыл добавить "из американской пропаганды".

[@cicciopasticciopatrozzi1907]

@@I_GAMER- the video is american or english, what do you expect? Of course capitalism wins in their eyes, while Marx isn't even protrayed that well in comparison

[@ShayNoMore1]

@@cicciopasticciopatrozzi1907 how can u know that? Where is Marx portrayed good? In north Korea schools

[@cicciopasticciopatrozzi1907]

@@ShayNoMore1 actually, a lot of economists admit that he got a lot of predictions right, you shouldn't judge a person basing on the people that used his/her ideology to obtain power, Marx doesn't have anything to do with the crimes of Stalin, Pol Pot, Hoxcha and many others.

[@joelgarcia4165]

The next presidential debate should be held like this

[@rhorynotmylastname7781]

I'd be down

[@Joshua_Nguyen0630]

There's no leftwing party in the US, only elitist central & righwing bourgeoisie on the top. And capitalist lobbiers

[@Joshua_Nguyen0630]

@Dim real leftists are against the elitist Stalinist style bureaucratic states and reactionary party dictatorship. You dammed idiot!

[@someone-vk6gk]

Im gonna watch it in the heartbeat

[@Joshua_Nguyen0630]

@Dim No i no mentioned ur murica. i want a change my own country corrupted rightwing vietnam. how dare you

[@fuzzmaster4157]

Finding out about mises through Twitter and KZbin instead of schools is what's wrong with everything

[@matteos.7019]

🎯

[@Malachit-dl1qw]

We didn't even talk about Adam Smith in the school I was.

[@AmericanSpartan]

Communists control the schools

[@Gewalt1984]

Corporatist state schooling won't teach anything that's different.

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

@@Gewalt1984 Facts.

[@jamesferris869]

You should make more political rap battles like this

[@cameronlittle7595]

Never had so much fun seeing German's debate economics

[@martinledermann1862]

@Xeta Only in terms of citizenship - he didn't view himself as a German. Jews, even atheist Jews, view themselves as a separate ethnicity which doesn't even belong to the white/Caucasian group (in their own categorization, cos at least the Ashkenazi Jews look pretty white to me).

[@daviddornslifematter7601]

@The industrial revolution was a disaster Best country ever is debateable. Germany sure brought to the world a lot of progression, but so did another countries. I don't think we should pick a best one.

[@TheAvos18]

@@martinledermann1862 he didnt even see himself as a jew thus his antisemitism in "the jewish questions"

[@martinledermann1862]

@@TheAvos18 Don't you confuse the religious identity with the ethnic one here? As far as I know, Marx was opposed to Judaism, and that's not the same as being Anti-Semitic - that's just being an atheist ;)

[@TheAvos18]

@@martinledermann1862 "they" cant decide what it is either... technically there cant be an atheist jew, so it must be racial, not religious...

[@joshuahieter325]

"Did I drive tanks at tiananmen square?" What tanks? Nothing bad EVER happened at tiananmen square.

[@lucaadams-agresti3124]

are you denying that china shot up hundreds to thousands of students to advance to tiananmen square on june 4th 1989?

[@joshuahieter325]

@@lucaadams-agresti3124 Oh no, I certainly know that happened and I am definitely on Mises side, it's just that the Chinese have so hopelessly tried to cover it up I find it quite funny.

[@lucaadams-agresti3124]

Joshua Hieter ohh, it was satire, sorry my bad

[@matthewmckinnon42]

People are not gonna take this well lol

[@patimationstudios]

R/whooooosh

[@snow3338]

As a Chinese who isn't even allowed to discuss whether capitalism or socialism is better on China's social media apps, I love how the comments argue so much here

[@user-ez8le1rp3x]

Of course socialism is better, what is there to discuss? Unless you are a foreign agent using KZbin here.

[@ExPwner]

@@user-ez8le1rp3x no it isn’t. Literally any coherent reading of history or economics proves you wrong.

[@user-ez8le1rp3x]

@@ExPwner You mean the american history textbook? Give me a favour and sod off ya looney.

[@ExPwner]

@@user-ez8le1rp3x nope I mean the actual historical failure of socialism. 😂

[@yydd4954]

@@user-ez8le1rp3x socialism is better And also Socialism failed everytime in history 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Lol idiots

[@demaxpacks5168]

Leftist:"So capitalism is diabetes" Also leftist: *proceeds to eat the candy*

[@atrapanasatromhtos9426]

Leftists are fat and gay unlike rightists who are fat and straight

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

Feudalists: allow us to introduce ourselves- Capitalist: *pays for the gun and bullets* Socialist: *shoots the feudalist*

[@lm93tah41]

Thomas takes a toll for the dark I’d shoot the socialist before the feudalist actually

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

@Mike Hawk this is why Socialists are still a thing

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

@Mike Hawk oh you are, but when you push something down it'll just sprout back up harder

[@madalina.1011]

If I payed for that gun I'm the one shooting both of them

[@4idenn]

Well... that's actually what happened, you know... the bourgeoisie paid for the weapons but the working class fought the revolution basically

[@nnihilus3064]

Capitalists and Socialists let's agree,we all like sleeping

[@FirstNameLastName-oz5ij]

We can also agree on another thing: mitochondrion is the powerhouse of the cell.

[@djkaibaxter419]

capitalists and socialists can agree, Facism sucks.

[@lulz_wav]

My capitalist and socialist homies agree that Minecraft's the best game of the decade.

[@user-ki2jh6ns5i]

не бывать этому никогда

[@benjim123]

he brings up a good point..

[@NateTheGreat368]

I want to start a petition to switch from debates to rap battles in politics.

[@nenmaster5218]

Theres lots Discussion to have. I warmly reocmmend 'Is Capitalism even Efficient?!' by 'Second Thought', as well as the Times he and the KZbinr Some More News talked about Workers, Worker-Rights and Unions.

[@ExPwner]

@@nenmaster5218 spam! Absent Thought is propaganda

[@marrowkaiproductions7053]

@@ExPwner @James Adams Okay all the Videos you Recommend are Capitalist Propaganda

[@ExPwner]

@@marrowkaiproductions7053 no they are not. They are fully sourced from reputable sources. Quit lying.

[@hypefogg9790]

​@@ExPwner Second thought cites actual sources instead of just a book with 10,000 sales

[@GaryHField]

When two Germans argue, the world always trembles. 😂😂😂

[@melissareohorn7436]

i thought mises was austrian

[@GaryHField]

​@@melissareohorn7436Yes, he was. Still an Ethnic German, though. Austrian is a nationality.

[@theaveragejoe___]

​@@GaryHFieldOh dear. This sounds familiar.

[@user-lz2ee4ch2n]

@@theaveragejoe___ just because Hitler said it doesn’t mean it has to be wrong. He was also a vegetarian, but that doesn’t invalidate vegetarian theory.

[@theaveragejoe___]

@@user-lz2ee4ch2n I never said it was wrong.

[@riolufan2249]

Capitalists and communists can hopefully agree on one thing, this video is fun

[@someone-uq6gc]

Fax

[@ghostmidas7411]

same lmao

[@ghostmidas7411]

@The Communist Channel Hi comrade

[@ghostmidas7411]

@The Communist Channel ;)

[@imperialbricks154]

Agreed comrades

[@itsguidry8125]

"You can't gamble our future on Anarchy!" Peter Kropotkin would like to know your location

[@itsguidry8125]

Communism With American Characteristics indeed

[@inalegasn]

Bread Santa says smash the state

[@itsguidry8125]

@@Erl0sung Anarchy of production? That's literally what Anarchism is all about. Horizontal production. Anarchy doesn't mean "no rules" it means "horizontal" making is effectively synonymous to "no rulers" as much as "no rulees." It's like the song of the United Front: "He wants no servant under him and no boss over head." Anarchist theory is literally all about horizontal production and the different ways that it could be done.

[@bradcordes4168]

@Marxist Garveyist There's dozens of us, dozens!

[@aklimaron7398]

If everything is horizontal, then who will enforce the rules?

[@vigneshsridharan9775]

"If you want a better world, see the unseen, even carbon will bend to creative destruction" - pure gold

[@slevinchannel7589]

Get your head outta the clouds

[@gypster2004]

It’s true though. Unleash the wisdom and creativity of the market and watch the whole world turn green.

[@tschandler2]

​@@gypster2004 we already could be had the Hippies not killed the Nuclear movement.

[@yeboxxxchannel2505]

Well.. Honestly creativity Is EXACTLY what we need. I already have major ideas. 1. Return of nuclear powerplant use alongside dearmament of Nuclear weapons for further energy. 2. Investment into other powerplants for electricity. 3. Investment into cheaper electric engines for cars with changed social norms 4. Air-cleaners mounted on every vehicle.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@yeboxxxchannel2505 For your opinion to matter and your plans to be well-thought-out you ofcourse need knowledge. Like what cilmate-change-youtubers and the infrastructure-videos by "Some More News" and "Edencity" provide and offer

[@Seagirl2023]

"so capitalism is diabetes" AHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT LINE MADE ME LAUGH SO HARD

[@LocalLibertarian]

At least we don’t starve

[@Seagirl2023]

@@LocalLibertarian What if we had no governments AT ALL That would be amazing if humanity could be at least somewhat peaceful afterwards

[@Seagirl2023]

@@LocalLibertarian RANDOM IDEAS (THAT MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE): BRITISH RUSSIA (They have a revolution then become part of Britain) BRAZILIAN EMPIRE COMES BACK BUT IT TAKES BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA AND YES THAT DOES MEAN THE UNITED STATES BECOMES PART OF BRAZIL VIETNAMESE EMPIRE** (ITS ACTUALLY THE ENTIRE SOUTH PACIFIC OR ASEAN EXCEPT ITS OWNED BY VIETNAM) THE ENTIRE WORLD STOPS SPEAKING ENGLISH AND ENGLISH GETS REPLACED WITH PORTUGUESE

[@s3m1f64]

@@LocalLibertarian except several thousands a year in the usa

[@TheCombatEditor62]

Notice he still ate all that stuff.

[@xelabadman5824]

The dislikes are people who can’t handle their side being criticized

[@SeanPS]

Or those who dont like marxism proselytized to our youth.

[@a_noob559]

@@SeanPS What do you mean? Marx got slaughtered in this...

[@SeanPS]

@@a_noob559 they both had powerful arguements. Your opinion of slaughtering is objective. I happen to agree with you though. I just think the best thing Marx can do for history is be forgotten.

[@a_noob559]

@@SeanPS True, that's just _my_ opinion, and others might think differently. But I still think that this video does a very good job at showing who is right. Mises uses facts, evidence, history, and bases his ideas on logic. Marx, however, bases his ideas on feelings, utopia and disproved theories. That pretty accurately represents the two ideologies IRL if you ask me. Those who see fact will say Mises won, and those who see fiction will say Marx won, just like real life. No, our solution is not to forget Marx. We should disprove him instead. We've tried forgetting Marx, but he will always be re-discovered by the selfish and gullible, which is why we need to prop him up instead, so that we can tear him down. We need to make sure that everyone knows who Marx was, and how his ideology fails not because it was never 'real' socialism, but because his ideas are fundamentally flawed. It would be better for us to put him in the spotlight, if anything.

[@SeanPS]

@@a_noob559 he is in the spotlight. In our universities, in our media, in our presidential candidates, etc. But I agree with your consensus of sunlight being the best disinfectant. At the same time, as capitalists we love using facts and logic, unfortunately others have forsaken reason for madness.

[@conan2735]

dude this is actually fire for someone who loves history and politics

[@ichduoderer1498]

i am a german sitting in here like a yes a debate we had 100 years ago social-market-econemy for the win! aka rheinecapitalisem ore in german Soziale-Marktwirtschaft

[@grantreigel1852]

Fun fact, the Nazi party was a nationalist socialist party. Socialism is the cause and philosophy of Hitler’s rise. So before you decide that socialism is a great idea, I just think about World War II for a moment. Thank you for reading this.

[@voxomnes9537]

@@grantreigel1852 Ah, yes, how democratic the Democratic People's Republic of Korea happens to be...

[@grantreigel1852]

Lol

[@user-wc7ys9nu9m]

@@grantreigel1852 what?! Do you now, that big corporations in Germany supported Hitler, and after his revolution the business owners saved their companies? Yep, socialism. Learn history

[@petrhruska377]

I can't belive that my one of most favourite song in my playlist is rap about economies.

[@nenmaster5218]

Theres lots Discussion to have. I warmly reocmmend 'Is Capitalism even Efficient?!' by 'Second Thought', as well as the Times he and the KZbinr Some More News talked about Workers, Worker-Rights and Unions.

[@Angov4321]

@@nenmaster5218 bot

[@nenmaster5218]

@@Angov4321 Saying that to me literally can only prove 1/2 things: Either youre really mentally-slow so you didnt realize how much sense it makes to talk to a robot OR you dont really believe it.

[@pochyjp786]

Thank you big time for this video, the script is perfect, I love almost every line :)

[@StudioThirtyEight]

"Real Marxism hasn't been tried!" *Throws rich guy off balcony*

[@holyemperorofanimetiddies5548]

based

[@lot2973]

based as fuck

[@amirshubhani5929]

Real marxist shoot them

[@logandepino8417]

Based

[@ComradeCorwin]

What does "based" mean?

[@quinncalle8591]

What if the real socialism was the friends we made along the way Edit: Some of y'all don't realize this is a joke

[@tonylex3760]

Yes

[@professionalcommentstealer5271]

No

[@aymenesserraj5963]

Yes

[@wolfskrieg6630]

MMMM YES COMMUNISM CRUSH ME WITH THE STATE DADDY~~~!!!!!

[@professionalcommentstealer5271]

@@wolfskrieg6630 no

[@gianlucagelardi4116]

I love the effort on “Workers of the world assemble”

[@shragamildiner8472]

I keep learning more and returning to find new angles of brilliance in this rap battle. So good. Well done guys

[@LaLunarFox]

Who won?who's next?you decide!

[@QueenCece6]

I can't believe EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME somebody goes how about we try it communism again I know we starved the last 7 times but I won't mention that to the public.

[@lordswan1987]

Pretty sure mises did

[@zabiralamfarhan2919]

Not a communist, neither a Capitalist. I am currently devloping a new manifesto mixed of Communism, Monarchy, Capitalism, and some economic stuff from fascism. I will try to bring up an revolution. To make a better place. To stop killing, rape, etc... The name of that ideology is “CoFaDemocracy”(kinda weird I know). Don't worry I'm not a gore leader lol 😁. Wish me luck peeps! Soon brother

[@zabiralamfarhan2919]

@Michael Terrell II Yeah Racism is a no no brother. I've avoided that because if I did that, It'll be a doomed ideology same as Fascism...

[@antitiktokunion3894]

Zabir Alam Farhan that’s really cool tell me when your done.

[@shawns574]

Regardless of which side you agree with, this is what the country needs. I didn't hear one personal shot at either man, it was all based on ideas, the good and bad. We've lost the willingness to respectfully disagree.

[@thetrain47539]

I love how the left and right always point at one another that they are the first to get mad or something while in reality both sides are fucking retarded when it comes to this.

[@renttojo]

I haven't

[@diobrando6162]

@@thetrain47539 so you are saying that everything economic is retarded, all left and right mean is communism and capitalism

[@thetrain47539]

@@diobrando6162 You might wanna reread that comment, smart ass.

[@thetrain47539]

@Andrew Cox k. But I never stated an opinion. All I did was say that the left and right are both impulsive and both cant seem to have a civil discussion. So why are you trying to discuss capitalism with me? You don't even know my stance on the political spectrum. All you did was see a critizism of the right wing and see it as a direct insult and felt the need to debate me on it.

[@MetrixYTG]

The big problem is that lies are most powerful than truth. The simple lies captivate while the complicated truth confuse

[@scottallen3907]

Hmm, "So, capitalism is diabetes?" Well, personally id take managing type 2 diabetes over starvation any day. Just sayin...

[@slevinchannel7589]

Video's not bad but the videos with Poor, Rich, Incentive, and System in the Name by KZbinr Some-More-News sure hit harder

[@nairb2173]

Ok, “laissez unfair” is actually an awesome pun TBH.

[@sloaby3860]

Brian I was so impressed with that line

[@andreimoga7813]

+

[@andilole]

So a free market enthusiast came with that term 'laissez unfair". It's no news since the left can't meme.

[@nairb2173]

Andi Lole man shut up the right just makes the same 3 jokes about gender and starvation lmao

[@andilole]

@@nairb2173 why are you angry? Second. It's a free world and I can say whatever I want about the left. So don't let the door hit you on your way out.

[@moonflowerviewing91]

Monarchist: allow us to introduce ourselves

[@nickdimopoulos4052]

Allow us to introduce our inbreeding

[@moonflowerviewing91]

@@nickdimopoulos4052 quite nice is it

[@muhammaddanialbinshahrizal1764]

Hail the king!!!

[@aklimaron7398]

Well, socialism always devolves in a sort of monarchy

[@TheDavi2001]

@@aklimaron7398 tell that to the tzars

[@DarrelDudleyLP]

I didnt realize till the second time that the friends watching were the same actors for mises and marx

[@thichchuianti]

Wait i don’t know that :))

[@abdullahalmuqate7387]

What an amazing production. Everything about it is pristine. This is the best music video Ive seen in a long while!

[@benjaminlam3514]

I love the rap, but am I the only one who doesn't like the autotune refrain?

[@UltraRik]

eh it grows on you after a while

[@AndersHass]

@@UltraRik when will all these non Mises stuff grow on me?

[@UltraRik]

@@workerspower2011 what did you dislike so much about it

[@nighthawk3255]

I just skip that part

[@nighthawk3255]

@@workerspower2011 Why do you care if we enjoy it? Go listen to something else? And by 'real rap', what do you even mean? Not all rap is about doing drugs, doing crimes, and women. Try and get some diversity in your diet

[@MrDanielsahne]

Its like Epic Rap Battle of History with much more information.

[@commentpolice4694]

I find this to be much better, as the one ERB did with Stalin and other soviet guys was pretty lackluster

[@underthetrees4780]

Same editor.

[@colinschwiethale2375]

Sentry Buster Well yeah, ERB is just as hominem fallacies with some subtle historical facts

[@commentpolice4694]

Colin Schwiethale Oh ok I see

[@elviejodelabolsa8263]

@@colinschwiethale2375 insults aren't ad hominem

[@hanginnik1377]

Bro dude straight up said: "Capitalist days are numbered." My man USSR is 6 feet under for 30 years now.

[@cryptoemcee]

Have just discovered it. This is awesome!

[@slevinchannel7589]

Socialism is lied about quite a lot. EVer looked deeper into it? Or at least seen a Capitalist criticize it like 'Some More News' does in his videoseries about Systems

[@ExPwner]

Disregard the Slevin bot account

[@aaayushmodi2046]

This rap bottle has more terms and accurate explaination than my entire political science graduation

[@aaayushmodi2046]

@@astridpopofficial i watched the video again and didn't see anywhere fascists mentioned as communist. Can you tell the time ?

[@valkiyri]

@@astridpopofficial Another genious that can't differentiate between generating wealth and capitalism. Naziosocialist Germany and (!) fascism were (in terms of economy, not racial and other policies) built on the idea of protectionst policy and self-sufficiency through mixture of private and public ownership over the means of production. Which did allowed private profits (generation of wealth) for (mostly) selected and sometimes lucky individuals in the society, however, puting national interest first. In the instance where public (nations) interest would be in the need of assistance from or directly clash with interests of private individuals. The state would prevail and if needed through the use of force towards the individuals who had accumulated wealth. The similar scenario can be seen in various examples when subjects of state (citizens) are controled by a higher entity (Emperors, Kings, Tzars, Dictators). Examples can be seen from Medival age and/or Feudal system, when Emperors, Kings and Tzars needed finances for conquest or defence, they would generate wealth through force if required, to Kulaks in Communist Soviet Union to many other examples throughout history. Therefore, Facism is not differentiated from any other dictatorial, authoritarian, totalitarian system when it comes to generating wealth, it is differentiated in social and political issues, but that's not because its driven by capitalism.

[@musicdev]

@@astridpopofficial ayyyy, I was hoping to find someone in the comments who actually knows something about political ideologies. That makes two apparently

[@oswaldrabbit1409]

@@astridpopofficial Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Mugabe and the like were socialists though.

[@pietrochiacchio8420]

@@astridpopofficial fascist Is built on capitalism?no,it's built on the control of the economy by the state.it's corporativism

[@gairosthekingofthewesterne4230]

Primitivists: Now hold on I’ve got a solution...

[@andreimoga7813]

ooga booga? i'm in 😏

[@asurrealistworld4412]

Ever read Zerzan? Ironically enough primitivists sure do use a lot of sophisticated and technical language from anthropology and postmodern philosophy.

[@MegaSim3]

Grug agrees with pointy-hat-Grug

[@kingslushie1018]

You Been watching Jreg?

[@zachariahcampbell7966]

Garios my boi, can we agree empire best bannerlord faction?

[@Adam-hs9ft]

I've watched this like 5 times why is this so good

[@catherineskis]

Thank you for another wonderful video that teaches a lot.

[@polishrepublic5055]

1:39 When someone have Chips in class 3:32 When you have Chips in class

[@yeezyyankie324]

yeah, true

[@cosminblk8359]

Lmao =))

[@AnubiS.aNUBIs]

@@cosminblk8359 There you are.... Go back in hell you imposter...

[@Nickname-wi8kz]

So true XD

[@AllendeEtAl]

Brilliant.

I was the ticket seller girl❤️💃

[@JuliePascal]

Awesome! Well done.

[@ricardowayne4159]

Confirm that, I was the ticket.

[@ludwig_jr]

Do you enjoy the show?

[@Hemuro4ever]

So, Mises or Marx?

[@JeffreyTuckerBTC]

You were the best!!!!

[@OpenAirOutreach]

“Organize the economy like the post office” Hahahaha our local post office is the worst!

[@Cyborg_Lenin]

Ask your local amazon warehouse worker who is the worst.

[@hishamalaker491]

I have seen this like 10 times, its too addicting i cant stop myself from not seeing it.

[@guilhermemateus5984]

Well, one thing is irrefutable: Communists have much nicer beards.

[@QueenCece6]

And much worse human rights and freedom.

[@jesuscabrera2213]

@@QueenCece6 beards are nice tho

[@Awestar]

Pooped Pants ohh shut up with that cheap shot. What America considers a human rights violation the eductated world doesnt.

[@a_noob559]

@@Awestar You mean like... Suppression of free speech and the state-sponsored murder of its own citizens?

[@Awestar]

A_Noob first of all, blaming a rival economic system for somehow being responsible for political corruption is so unfair, as i could easily make the point that capitalism has killed and enslaved millions over its existence. But that wouldn't make sense because there is a difference between an economic ideology and government fueled corruption and supression scandals, second of all, nations such as the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Poland ETC, are subject to criticism for their supposedly systematic state sponsored killing of its citizens, when this is simply not the case, no nation in the eastern block killed people in cold blood, thats a broad untrue statement and belief created by nations that couldn't fathom the fact that communist nations are far better than their own western nonproductive capitalist nations. All men and women were imprisoned rightfully. third of all, you attack these nations for their lack of free speech, but free speech to an extent is a divider for a nation, constantly bringing up arguments and criticism towards a government that another portion of people supported would create internal division among the people. Therefore the criticism made towards the governments were innulled in these nations, as their governments were well aware of how detrimental nonconstructive crticism of their governments was to the society as a whole. Socialism/Communism is good.

[@bo6887]

Capitalist looks like Howard Stark.

[@imicca]

AUTOMATIC WIN

[@davidmaggiacomo409]

So true

[@nippy7425]

Bo that makes sense lol

[@platonian2421]

3000 points

[@prashantsingh7790]

True..And socialism is like Captain America..

[@mioszjaroszewicz9146]

I'm from Poland and for me it's unimaginable that american people may imagine themselves "a cultural debate between capitalism and communism". Communism is not good, and there's no diffrent answers. It's idealogy of crime. In Poland it's easier to understand that becauase we had "great communism system" after II World War, and guess what, it didn't work. Apart from that communism killed a lot of Poles and ruined our country. Hence when I see videos like this where is a debate beetwem capitalism and communism it pisses me of

[@xnnoah]

It was not communism lmao. Communism doenst even have a State/government What really happend after world war 2, Poland became a popular democracy (going towards socialism). But after Stalin's death, USSR became a social-imperialist state. Then, many of eastern bloc became USSR's colonies (including Poland). Real Socialism brought many good things to the people.

[@mioszjaroszewicz9146]

@@xnnoah Yeah, "it was not real communism!", if you knew better polish and european history you would never say things like this. It doesn't matter whether it was real communism, or not, The most crucial fact is that t h e y killed a lot of people, more than Hitler, and why did they do it? Because they were influenced by Marx.

[@MrFox-jr1iq]

​@@mioszjaroszewicz9146 What kind of heresy did you just say? What did the USSR do to you so bad? Rebuilt the country from the ruins after the Nazis, built houses, roads, schools, hospitals? Are you seriously so brainwashed that you compare the USSR with the Nazis? Read the history of Auschwitz

[@Atomic_Her]

Kringe gave out, bro

[@ExPwner]

@@MrFox-jr1iq the USSR was worse killing millions more. Read about the purges, the famines, the Holodomor, the gulags, etc.

[@liberalizzzm4908]

3:40 India saved by capitalism? Tell me another joke

[@liberalizzzm4908]

@@user-qt4tz3kv1t Good one!! XD

[@philippine9614]

@@user-qt4tz3kv1t LMAO

[@newthirx4311]

@@user-qt4tz3kv1t 5 cent army trooper detected

[@spartanx9293]

India was heavily affected by mercantilism not capitalism that is what bankrupted them and left them in such a poor state but Communists currently run one of the largest terrorist groups in India the naxalites

[@somerandomguy9997]

Lmao remember 1991 economic liberalisation by chadmohan singh

[@timwf11b]

Marx complains about being blamed for violence he didn't commit (at Tiananmen Square) and then not long after that he attacks a guy and throws him off the balcony.

[@brutalikcz532]

@SlimyKlerburt yeah, problem is that under socialism you break egg but inside is stolen by goverment.

[@brutalikcz532]

@SlimyKlerburt ř?

[@bobgilbert1953]

Marx was not a pacifist. He objects to being blamed for shit he didn't do, not to being misrepresented

[@michaelkeha]

@@bobgilbert1953 If I teach children to murder and they go out and murder am I to blame for them doing so did I not teach them to do this should I not be held accountable for my actions and words

[@bobgilbert1953]

@@michaelkeha Sure, but A, Kapital is a thousand page treatise on economics, written in Russian. It is not for teaching children. It's too dense for most *adults* to finish. And B, Socalism is not inherently violent. So, your argument fails on both it's faces.

[@documenter1199]

"so Capitalism is diabetes???" Proceeds to eat a red vine

[@SubscribersWithaFewVideos]

I'm not Laura Kightlinger red vine is a brand

[@raymondguzman5083]

Ikr nobody put a gun to his head and told him eat or get shot. Ultimately he is choosing to eat it and he chose to spend money on it.

[@rockk9753]

Well in capitalism at least you can afford to get diabetes in socialism you can't even afford a gallon of milk so yeah keep laughing

[@pyaaraislam4369]

@I'm not Laura Kightlinger ....

[@bo6887]

It was a twizzler

[@CliveDavisOoYFNUNEXmmFUE10M]

@4:25 I think the phrase was "you gotta break eggs to make an omelette" (Marxist apologist or Stalin?) - to which the best answer was "Where's the omelette?"

[@jawar5673]

Marx got absolutely fucking toasted.

[@LICORNE-SOCIALISTE]

Nah

[@firenzarfrenzy4985]

"Lets unite all people from every nation" Man hasn't watched Pokemon

[@ianbrooks1804]

No, no.. You're on to something. Jesse and James are most definitely socialists.

[@kallepikku4991]

This who song is a pokemon rap battle tribute.

[@mattwo7]

That's _within our_ nation, not from every nation. Also in the original Japanese Kojiro (James) says "To protect the peace of the world" (heck Musashi (Jessie) actually says "to _stand by_ the evils of truth and love")

[@sergiorubens8475]

@@ianbrooks1804 yet their boss is a captalist

[@Void-rj3sq]

@@sergiorubens8475 They're low-wage proletariat Their boss is the capitalist

[@tristanwiren407]

Mises: "peace exchange and cooperation" *door is kicked open* Kropotkin: "Did somebody say Cooperation?"

[@HappyMexicano]

BASED

[@MopedOfJustice]

@Krónika Almost like the video is more concerned with rhetoric than with analyzing their philosophical positions. They have Marx say "outcomes that are equal" for chrissake.

[@rainick]

@Krónika Because you aren't competing with a store when you buy something there.

[@petterwiggen5833]

@Krónika you can have competition and cooperation they are not as opposite as you my think, competition just means, in terms of capitalist, several companies competing to sell same or similar products and services. Cooperation just means working together to achieve a goal, I think that's the actual definition but works for capitalism, and companies are working together to strengthen the economy through the competition. It's like In the States Walmart vs Target. Yes they are in competition with each other because their both are stores that you can go in and buy stuff from their competition means they have to improve or provide better or cheaper products which in the long run helps strengthening the economy. I think a tl:Dr example is a sports team just each person is trying to become the best, but the end goal is for your team to win and your internal competition can aid it achieve the cooperation to obtain the end goal.

[@petterwiggen5833]

@Krónika The cooperation is the biproduct of the competition. The competition creates jobs, provides products and services, and allows for growth so the cycle keeps going. I don't think I worded it properly the first time but this is not mental gymnastics. They have opposite meanings, yes but that doesn't mean that in actions their opposite. There is a load of examples that could be used to show that cooperation and competition aren't that opposite in action. I honestly think your the one that did the mental gymnastics if after my clarification just now, you don't understand or disagree with them being opposites in meanings alone.

[@that_one_av57]

Henceforth I'm just going to say, "Capitalism was never really tried!" anytime someone tells me it's failing.

[@WhatEver-xn5sn]

We already kind of say that, but we word it this way: "What we have is not Capitalism, it's Corporatism"... we need to break up the major monopolies, and terminate money-based lobbying, be it by corporations or unions.

[@hypefogg9790]

​@WhatEver-xn5sn *Corporcracy, Corporatism is a completely different economic system

[@likedebia4693]

I think we can be man enough to say that all capitalism isn't the same. Just look at Russia and Norway, both are capitalist(I think) but have vastly different laws and levels of government control which leads to different standards of living. One capitalist country failing does not disprove the entire economic idea

[@Eliamaniac]

@@likedebia4693 Wow so if an example doesnt't make a rule, is it possible socialism is possible even if some countries failed to emerge? 🤔

[@likedebia4693]

@@Eliamaniac you can think about that all you want, I think that socialism will never build a utopia, it's okay if you don't agree, just tired of seeing people trying to erease history and say that followers of their ideology aren't real followers just to try and keep a clean record, I don't think any ideology has a perfectly clean record

[@l3rucewayne1]

Can anyone tell me where I've seen red letters in that font before? (where they spelled Marx) I feel like it's from some hit movie poster about Nazis or something.

[@newthirx4311]

as it should, he with immael kant really are the devils plucking the puppets strings

[@Joey-sh1yx]

I just realized that marx and mises are played by the guys watching the battle

[@Joey-sh1yx]

@Anakin Skywalker thanks

[@itsZach05]

I did too

[@RobotischeHilfe]

Me too ahahhaha

[@A.D.540]

It took me sec lol i got with face but crap remembering names 😭

[@peioruiz1851]

Am I the onlybone that realized that in the chorus, when the capitalist sings an individual voice sings and when the socialist sings, a whole chorus sings???

[@lab2146]

Yep, I noticed that too. Also, the chorus sings the soviet anthem.

[@sloaby3860]

Peio Ruiz I loved that, it’s really beautiful

[@urhomiesapien3722]

It's to mimic the patriotic songs of communist countries

[@barboll2604]

I think it's to represent Individualism and Collectivism.

[@peioruiz1851]

@@lab2146 when??

[@ismetdenizay3616]

We want round two!

[@WhatEver-xn5sn]

and 3 and 4 and 5!!!

[@akash55sharma]

Awesome 😎

[@gintasvilkelis2544]

3.27: “If we are not fit to run our own lives, why would you expect our votes to be wise?”

[@larkohiya]

What even are you trying to imply? Because you have material security and access to needs that you are wiser on all topics? That doesn't make sense. People trying to use their "status" as justification for their authority are boring hacks.

[@gintasvilkelis2544]

@@larkohiya Not at all. The reason why this phrase resonated with me, is because I interpret it like this: the highly-centralized governments (in most of the Western Democracies) are becoming ever-more-encroaching into people's lives, i.e. in effect treating them like "incompetent children who don't know how to run their lives, therefore the *state* has to do it for them". And this then creates this "logical disconnect": you think the people are too immature to be able to run their lives, yet at the same time you expect those same people to be "wise and mature voters".

[@ryugo7713]

3:27

[@JaredLB1990]

@@gintasvilkelis2544 Dude, that quote resonated with me as well, and it makes so much sense. Lazy people vote for politicians who will take care of them, as opposed to people who learn how to take care of themselves don't vote for politicians who will try to take care of them. At least, that's what I sort of got out of it.

[@-bright-2457]

Gintas Vilkelis Most of the voters are stupid though and vote against their own self interests. Everyone who is knowledgeable on the subject would agree with this. That’s why instead of direct democracy, we use representative democracy. A superior system where we elect representatives to represent us in Congress.

[@silvermangodragon3436]

Lyrics of March of History: Marx v. Mises -Marx- Workers of the world, assemble It’s time for the ruling classes to tremble I’m the people’s hero -- MVP M, A, R, X, yeah you know me Let’s go back to when men were free We hunted and gathered communally But get ready -- here comes the twist A villain appears called a Capitalist He puts the proletariat (that’s us) in chains Exploits our labor and pockets the gains Through slick ads and tricks lads and ladies in kind Selling fake needs he poisons our hearts and minds He rots our soul through alienation Pursuing limitless accumulation He works us into an early grave Through debt steals back the money we save Greed is the gospel Profit: God The rich get richer through graft and fraud The poor get poorer but you don’t care Doesn’t that sound laissez unfair? 200 years I’ve been singing this song Now my chorus is 99 percent strong The revolution’s here -- it’s time to repent Your moment is over, your capital’s spent! Chorus: -Socialist- This is history’s lesson -Capitalist- You think he’s right I’m gussin’? -Socialist- All we want is progression Without bourgeois oppression -Capitalist- So we look for the truth -Socialist- As we tighten our boots -Both- Who’s right, who’s wrong Left, right, left, now the march is on -Mises- Guten Tag, Marx, nice to meet ya My name’s Ludwig: call me ‘Teacher’ The master of markets, the Austrian boss You don’t like profits? Well let’s talk loss The problem with your plan is nobody wins Except Stalin, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh Lenin, Mugabe -- remember Berlin? They built a wall to keep their people in Your theories have a rotten foundation Built on control, not cooperation Centralized power completely corrupts Real people suffer, violence erupts Your system depends on the very same people You decry as greedy, bourgeois and evil If we’re not fit to run our own lives Why would you expect our votes to be wise? If you really want to help people rise up Unleash the free market: lift their lives up It was Capitalism, not a Socialist plan Saved billions in India, China, Japan Everyone has a unique purpose and plan No one solution can serve the whole land Each individual has their own voice The heart of my theory is freedom of choice! Chorus: -Capitalist- This is history’s lesson (Socialist: Yeah right) Let’s pursue our expression Living free from aggression So we look for the truth With the freedom to choose -Both- Who’s right, who’s wrong Left, right, left, now the march is on -Marx- Free Marketeers love to play this game Mao kills millions, Marx gets blamed It’s deceptive, dishonest, plain unfair Did I drive the tanks at Tiananmen Square? Man I’m a humanist You can check my receipts But you gotta break eggs if you wanna eat Don’t like violence? Admit defeat Then I’ll call this revolution complete Till then, let’s get a few things straight I’m not shaping the future, I’m embracing our fate My utopian forebears weren’t that specific But this analysis is highly scientific Every social system has governing laws Capitalism? Doomed because The system generated its own fatal flaws By uniting workers in a common cause Thanks to you, we have all the wealth we need To seize control and eradicate greed The people are rejecting your bourgeois lies Real Marxism has never been tried Equality is the core of my creed From this one’s ability to that one’s need Our healthcare, finance, and industry Let’s collectivize and set ourselves free -Mises- Your standard refrain ‘oh that’s not the real thing’ The most common verse all your followers sing The closer we get to your ideal system The further we get down the Road to Serfdom The empirical record can’t be denied Your ideas don’t work but they just won’t die Attention: this is not breaking news Jevons and Menger lit that fuse Now here comes the bomb via Von Bohm-Bawerk He blew up your system, exposed the core quirk The heart of your theory is exploitation Of surplus value, that’s a bogus equation You can’t explain value by measuring the cost of labor That theory of value has lost favor Value is subjective by every measure One man’s trash is another man’s treasure There’s no exploitation if two people arrange Voluntary exchange Man, that’s not deranged That bourgeois transaction you diss with a scoff Creates benefit for both so we’re both better off Here’s the real problem, the crucial equation Without private markets, there’s no calculation To coordinate courses, allocate resources, incentivize choices Because it lacks prices What crops should I grow? Should this factory go? How should I pick a J.O.(B)? How would your planners ever know? Your theory is a bundle of confusion Socialism got crushed by marginal revolution Chorus: This is history’s lesson All we want is progression -Capitalist- Let’s pursue our expression Living free from aggression -Socialist- So we look for the truth As we tighten our boots -Both- Who’s right, who’s wrong Left, right, left, now the march is on -Marx- We’re all better off, are you kidding me Mises? My immiseration thesis tears you to pieces Your economy grows, but not our wages You call that progress? I think it’s outrageous -Mises- In 1820 everyone was poor Until Capitalism kicked down the door Real wage growth, not stagnation Saved 80% of the world from starvation -Marx- You kicked down the door but you locked us out That’s what your ‘free market’ is all about Here’s what you do: on your next shopping spree Pick up this book by my boy Tommy P. -Mises- The pie can get bigger, it’s not zero sum Free markets have lifted the lowest incomes If you really want to help out the poorest nations Encourage peace, trade, and immigration -Marx- The Earth is boiling and your solution Is more production, more pollution? More cheap trinkets in bigger malls More fossil fuels, more aerosols? (Mises: Wait, what?) For a problem this big we need total control A green New Deal to save the North Pole We can’t gamble the future on anarchy Greed’s not a plan, it’s insanity! -Mises- Your story’s bombastic, your rhetoric’s strong There’s only one problem: your theory’s wrong! The wealthiest countries do the most to conserve Haven’t you heard of the Kuznets curve? Only wealthy societies can afford to go green If you want a better world, see the unseen Even carbon will bend to creative destruction With entrepreneurship in the means of production Chorus: -Socialist- This is history’s lesson -Capitalist- The market’s a blessin’ -Socialist- All we want is progression -Capitalist- Living free from aggression -Socialist- So we look for the truth -Capitalist- With the freedom to choose -Both- Who’s right, who’s wrong Left, right, left, now the march is on -Marx- I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again The long march of history will come to an end Hagel was close, but too ‘a priori’ Watch me break down my dialectical story Proletariat, bourgeoisie Them versus us, you versus me Slave, master, lord and serf New class battles, same old turf We have what we need to throw the chains off us Organize the economy like the post office The state takes over but that’s not the whole plan Watch it wither away and leave Socialist man Our goal is true fairness, outcomes that are equal Capitalism? Over. Here’s a Socialist sequel Revolution’s coming, prepare for the fight Workers of the world, unite! -Mises- Nothing is determined, you’re so fatalistic A grand theory of history? Be realistic! Your failed predictions? A distraction. Here’s some questions that guide human action: Where are we going? What’s the right course? What will motivate us, incentives or force? Here’s what you miss from commanding heights Each person’s gifts and individual rights Across every continent, culture and creed People have flourished only when freed To find passion, profit, charity and love Through the shake of a hand, not a boot from above Socialism’s record isn’t hard to parse First it was tragedy, now it’s a farce Let’s unite people from every nation In peace, exchange, and cooperation!

[@sockscav]

Nice

[@airwolfcentral169]

Thanks for taking the time to write this for us

[@derpanther-ingenieur8460]

why did you cross some words out?

[@superhond1733]

​@@derpanther-ingenieur8460 KZbin censorship

[@derpanther-ingenieur8460]

@@superhond1733 but its the comment section

[@enraikow6109]

I think we're all just beating around the bush at this point and not realising the final boss of this world are the extreme centrists.

[@viniciussousadiniz4623]

........w h a t...........

[@lc8199]

Agreed

[@watermelonoverpoweredpizza6346]

Giraffe fan spotted

[@shellsheridan8056]

Like fasci?

[@ColonelCMAA]

We thank capitalism for making this video possible

[@SparrowIZ]

across every content culture and greed

[@dominusangelo4659]

The workers* The capitalists are using drugs and the ancaps are sucking them

[@yesnoyes4895]

Capitalism is when music

[@casey3889]

Marx: "We can't gamble the future on anarchy!" Kropotkin: "Well, actually..."

[@evelynpayne855]

Proudhon, Bookchin, Stirner, Goldman, etc: Allow us to introduce ourselves

[@ferrarkumar1103]

@@evelynpayne855 Based Rothbard walks into the bar *So, guys...*

[@hirshtveria4715]

@@ferrarkumar1103 And then all of the different Anarchos start fighting and arguing with each other instead of teaming up together against their real enemy: the state.

[@ferrarkumar1103]

@@hirshtveria4715 Yeah, just like always, because "reee how do you have private property without State. State is just a tool of capitalism, we don't want neither." FAQ: WHY "ANARCHO"-CAPITALISTS ARE NOT ANARCHISTS!

[@Nightshift10000]

Murray Rothbard: A Challenger Appears

[@kitchikat999]

I loved being an extra on this!!!! It was so fun to film :)

[@darealpoopster]

left-wingers-are-terrorists That escalated quickly

[@sherllymentalism4756]

left-wingers-are-terrorists fuck you man. Creep

[@Stellar_Politics]

@left-wingers-are-terrorists but then you'd have to pay child support.

[@kitchikat999]

@@darealpoopster idc I got free cake

[@darealpoopster]

Cum in me. Wait. I don’t think that’s how it works

[@rekindlefitness]

Amazing video!

[@scouthedog]

As somone who profits from capitalism I agree with capitalism

[@thezeronelite]

Just so you know, the makers of this video (AIER) are infamous for their support for climate change denial, anti-vaccine conspiracies, child labour sweatshops (seriously) etc, and their President William P. Ruger was nominated by Donald Trump to serve as the US Ambassador to Afganistan. They are a right-wing think tank and by absolutely no means unbiased or impartial.

[@ExPwner]

@@thezeroneliteno they are not. Piss off smear merchant.

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

"thanks to you we have all the wealth we need!" > Proceeds to throw him to his death off a balcony

[@makeromaniagreatagain9697]

That's "thank you" in communism. You can see this in USSR where the most competent people were purged.

[@melanphilia]

Goddamnit o.p. !!! Read you comment on the right moment when they said that 😀😀😀

[@joeribaars5481]

@@makeromaniagreatagain9697again where kulaks and state enemies were purged* fixed it for you. not competent just people who were against the state, criminals or just people who pissed of Stalin. there might be a few competent people in it. you can be a genius thief/ murder your still a thief/murder, being a kulak was against the law you decide to not collectivize than yes you go to jail, is it fair that debateable.

[@makeromaniagreatagain9697]

@@joeribaars5481 Stalin purged over 30.000 suspected "enemies of the people" from the army. A purged which disproportionally affected the higher ranks. I recommend you watsching "Purges of the Red Armt" (or something like that) by "Military History Visuallized)

[@vwin9112]

cue Wilhelm/Goofy scream and "FATALITY!"

[@sethmoody3553]

“So capitalism is diabetes?” YOU CHOSE TO BUY THAT

[@blitz8260]

Seth Moody some people like to buy diabetes also Commnisum is better

[@big_gui]

@@blitz8260 no

[@n3rdm4n]

Sad they didn't mention "socialism is starvation."

[@joemallery6010]

Kaiser Wilhelm II millions die as a result of capitalism too

[@Joshua-ox5fr]

3333333 333333 false

[@ChazMcGutter]

A big missed opportunity in this is not including the whole "you say we wish to do away with private property but in your system, private property is already denied to 9 tenths of the population" line from the manifesto

[@nickgrove3648]

We have different goals. Your goal is equality, while ours is prosperity. If the bottom quintile doubles their average wealth, meanwhile the top quintile triples their average wealth; you would view this as bad because inequality has risen, while we would view this as good because everyone in society has become wealthier. We are in favor of private property not because it results in equal economic outcomes across society, nor because the existence of private property somehow implies that everyone has equal economic opportunities in life; but because profit-contingent private control of industry allows for much more efficient economization of resources than state control of industry. But, of course, you do not self-identify as being in favor of state control of industry. I will address this as follows: Private property is not a "system" or "institution"; it is an observation. Humans exercise ownership of land-this is an observable fact. The term "private property" refers to land in the possession of non-government individuals or groups. If government did not exist, all property would be, by definition, privately owned (and the term "private" would likely not exist in this context, as there would be no need for clarification). The only alternative to private property is state property. There is no third type of property; there is no magic plot of land that is in the possession of humans, yet somehow manages to be owned by neither a state nor non-state individuals. Consider 5 factories: 1) Factory A is owned by one capitalist. The capitalist hires 100 workers, and spends 0 hours per week working in the factory himself. 2) Factory B is owned by 5 capitalists who each hold a 20% share. They hire 95 workers, and in addition each capitalist spends 10 hours every week working in the factory. 3) Factory C is owned by 20 capitalists who each hold a 5% share. They hire 80 workers, and in addition each capitalist spends 20 hours every week working in the factory. 4) Factory D is owned by 90 capitalists who each hold a 1.1% share. They hire 10 workers, and in addition each capitalist spends 35 hours every week working in the factory. 5) Factory E is owned by 100 capitalists who each hold a 1% share. They hire no workers, and each capitalist spends 40 hours every week working in the factory. They do not charge customers money for goods produced. Which of these factories are not privately owned? In response, socialists speak of a mythical "collective property" which is not divisible into shares. They consider "collective property" to be property which is owned by a group, yet somehow each individual within the group is not a part-owner. They acknowledge that each individual is alloted one vote when making property decisions, yet reject the resulting implication that each individual with a vote is indeed a shareholder. The group somehow precedes the individual in the view of socialists. It is unclear how a group can exist in the absence of individuals. It is also unclear how this "collective property" term is anything more than a language game, as it seemingly fails to describe anything tangible.

[@Cyborg_Lenin]

@@nickgrove3648 Correction, your goal is prosperity for yourself, mine is prosperity for as many as possible.

[@walleras]

@@Cyborg_Lenin How'd that work out for the kulaks? As my Rabbi who was a spy in the Soviet Union said. "It was the Evil Empire." So kindly go fuck yourself. Cyborg_Hitler

[@nickgrove3648]

@@Cyborg_Lenin No, your goal is equality across society, not prosperity. How do I know? Because even though "the poor" today are vastly wealthier than "the poor" of past centuries, you still complain that "capitalism" keeps people in poverty. If you really cared about "the poor", you would ask how and why poverty is lower today than ever before in human history. "Poor" people today have to share one car for a family of 4 or 5; rich people 150 years ago did not have any cars. "Poor" people today have to boil their sink water before drinking it; rich people 200 years ago did not have sink water. "Poor" people today sometimes must forego electric air conditioning; rich people 130 years ago did not have electric air conditioning. I place quotations around "the poor" because there is largely no such social group as "the poor". The bottom quintile in the US is a revolving door, and 10 years from now, 90% of people currently in the bottom quintile will no longer be there. Clearly, you can not accurately complain about "the poor" becoming poorer (though this does not stop you), since each generation of "the poor" enjoys a higher standard of living than the previous generation of "the poor". So what do you complain about? "Rising inequality": the implication being that economic progress made by "the poor" is somehow negated by simultaneous progress by "the rich" (another revolving door category which largely fails to identify an actual group of people in society).

[@Cyborg_Lenin]

@@nickgrove3648 the "poor" (and I love how you are trying to imply that they aren't actually poor) Are about as poor as they were all over the world accept for the imperial core. You seem to forget that this growth is only subsidized by the expropriation of trillions in labor value and natural resources from the global south. Plus you are confusing capitalism with being rich, despite the fact, that poverty is much closer to what capitalism brings for the majority of the world. Ask someone in a sweatshop how great capitalism is. This divide mind you isn't a natural one. It was created after the first industrial revolution with imperialism and subjugation, and its not kept in place with unfair economic treaties, constant destabilization and the patent gap. This growth in life quality is mostly due to technological advancement not some magical properties of capitalism. Cars just cost much less to produce, central heating and electricity us state owned. Every example you gave is an example of technological advancement, not capitalism. If you want to see what capitalism actually does you can look at the 8 million people that die every year from lack of food and clean water. We have the resources, we have the means, but its just not profitable to feed them is they die. At least when socialists had hunger they just didn't have enough food, as soon as they got it starvation stopped. Now to the "poor are getting richer" argument. No, they just keep raising the poverty to make it look good. Aside from China the poor haven't gotten any richer in 3 decades including America. Remember when your parents could afford a house and a car on one minimum wage income? Well at least now Jeff can afford a billion cars, too bad most Americans can't afford 500$ for an emergency. Finally, capitalism providing some benefits in the past isn't an excuse. Let's do what you love and take us back 300 years. What would you say? "Well feudalism raised our life quality immensely! We used to live in caves and now we have our homes and stable food! How dare you defy our divine ruler!?". Capitlaism played its part, now its time to move on.

[@ubiquitous9256]

What a great learning like a piece of cake

[@acedean9204]

It took me till the end to the end to realize the rappers were them lmao

[@kylehankins5988]

It took me until reading this comment

[@obviouslykaleb7998]

It took until {NULL}

[@sloaby3860]

Ace Dean it’s ok, me too

[@seleukus856]

It took the time, until my ass woke up

[@jesuschrist9513]

"Let's unite people from every nation" *laughs in African, Yugoslavian and Soviet*

[@sai17120]

You aren’t even real, jesus

[@GrantWitherspoon]

It worked in the Soviet Union- they broke up the Russian empire and the various nationalities had self-determination. There was a balance between national independence and internationalism, fraternity between workers regardless of nationality- you can’t have all of one or the other. It DIDN’T work in Yugoslavia, true, because Tito took a completely opposite line. He (and his party) banned ALL expressions of nationalism, which ended up working poorly for them. This is one of the reasons Tito and Stalin split, because Tito opposed expression of any and all national differences. Stalin was from Georgia, a small nation who before the revolution was repressed by Russia and had their culture stamped out by Russian culture, he was big on the national question. Now, it makes sense why Tito took the stance he did, the different Balkan states had a history of attacking each other and they had just come out of World War II, where some Croatians were even more brutal than the Nazis. This is what it looks like when you have STRONG nationalism with NO internationalism. So while we can be sympathetic to Tito looking at his historical conditions, at the end of the day he was wrong

[@AbueIito]

wAsNt rEaL coMmUniSm Lmaooo

[@ivanrodic8335]

@@AbueIito Socialism:First man, woman, dog, satelite and station in space. 8 hours of work 8 hours of sleep 8 hours of family time FREE education and Healthcare to stop epidemics and stop people becoming poor No porn,no anal and no oral sex. Strong army and state fighting againts Hitler, Nedić,Pavelić,Musolini,Kvinsling,Horty and so on Unite a world 4 workers Capitalism:rape, genocide,war and oil no real bealife in God. War in Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq, East Timur, Kambodia, Burma, FR Yugoslavia, Afganistan,Pakistan,Siria and making money in every possible way.

[@AbueIito]

@@ivanrodic8335 Ah yes, Stalin, Mao, and Kim, mhm yes yes, definitely capitalism is the only one that has killed, yeah yeah, definitely didn't took the information from a stupid Twitter communist page, mhmhmhmhmhmhmhmhm, yeaah, i am definitely not living in a pro socialist country with 60% of my people starving to fucking death by those Stalin simps. Conclusion: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKarao2Cetx_e8k

[@alkismexis3336]

3:02-3:12 The best part by far !!

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Keywords Rich, Poor, Incentive and Capitalism all got covered repeatedly by 'Some More News'

[@keerongill7310]

"ones man trash is another man's treasure * "me staring at my iPhone that cost $2.25 to produce

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Keywords Rich, Poor, Incentive and Capitalism all got covered repeatedly by 'Some More News'

[@rainick]

Just curious is that just the cost of supplies and labor directly into building the iPhone? Or does that also include the cost of building the software designing the hardware, testing all that, marketing, and all those other things?

[@muhammadscott1488]

Let's unite people from every nation Germany: I tried it.... twice

[@hrvatskicetnik]

@Herr Schütz he's in heaven

[@TheLukaursic]

mises was ukrainian jew

[@hrvatskicetnik]

@Herr Schütz nah

[@hrvatskicetnik]

@Herr Schütz because God said : who ever kills Hitler goes to heaven, Hitler killed himself so yeah

[@Roan2419]

they did the oppsite lmao

[@willarddavis7938]

"Organize the economy like the post office" ah the utopic tax hole that is the post office

[@michaelkeha]

that was fucking awful till courier companies forced them to improve or die

[@defaultlogos2976]

@Karl Marx "Anti-utopian"? Why would anyone ever be anti-utopian? Do you mean to say he didn't think an utopia could exist?

[@toolongforyoutoread6]

You mean the post office that gets no tax dollars and was still profitable until a Republican congress passed a bill that practically bankrupted them?

[@ryanthefilmmaker2574]

@@michaelkeha do you... do you have ANY clue just how fucking *shitty* UPS and Fed Ex are? UPS will literally ship you the wrong item and then not bother to fix it because you don't effect their bottom line. Private companies also have no obligation to deliver to every address, unlike the USPS. So if you live in an unprofitable place, they could simply say "No, we don't want to", and you couldn't do shit about it but move away.

[@ryanthefilmmaker2574]

The USPS doesn't get ANY money from taxes, you realize that, right?

[@GabrielPiazentin]

I could spend 1h in a video like this, please extend

[@eterista3868]

I think the main problem with premises of this video is reduction of Marx to economism. You cant talk about Marx without talking about Hegel, Feuerbach, dialectics and empirical positivism. Marx was not inside of economical discourse but outside of it using philosophy and talking about whole new way how to think our social world. It's apples and oranges. Probably better oponent for Marx would be Adam Smith imho.

[@newthirx4311]

marxis philosophy or whatever you want to call it is just derived from kant, a zombie of spiritualism and 'science' wich ignores the capacity for people to think outside of 'society' or 'genes' you lose on both grounds

[@WDeeGee1]

Meh. Marx failed at empiricism (cherry picking facts, for instance), perverted the dialectic to a game of formulating statements "so as to be right either way", his philosophies are phantasies built upon botched conceptions of cause and effect and a selective, amateurish knowledge of history (not much of a historian), and he was never able to close the loopholes in his theory of labor value nor was he ever able to prove his law of the falling rate of profit, which is demonstrably untrue. The only thing he was good at was persuasion, but since the rest of what he had on offer was overwhelming but defective balderdash, he could only lead people into worlds of tyranny. Again and again. Highly effective persuader, an utter total abominable failure at everything else. Unable to provide for his own family, unable to manage his own finances, he was going to tell the world how it should be run. Trust me bro, I can't feed my own family but I know how to create a superadundance for the world. Trust me bro. Bro?

[@eterista3868]

@@WDeeGee1 Empirical positivism was a philosophical school in 19th century France started by August Comte, I wasn't referring to inductive method as a whole. I'm not even saying that Marx's ouvre was ever complete - he laid out structures of new ways of thinking about world and relations inside of it. He was first-climber. Try to work your whole life on a couple of thousands of pages of theory that will change the world for the next 150 years and various academic disciplines - that was never the way how to make money. That was always just way how to explore and see something new. I guess dogmatic marxism today really is dead. I can't say about economics or political science, but in aesthetics and film studies (my domain) various continuation of marxism is still alive. Also in philosophy (my secondary) it is still important current. Impact on the world (both in good ways and bad ways) is undeniable.

[@cronosmu]

​@@eterista3868 It is true that Marx's thought was not solely economic, at least in the specialized sense that contemporary academia thinks of. On the other hand, his integration of philosophy, epistemology, methodology and social critique is just a feature of the 19th century mindset. It's not like classical liberalism lacked depth: if you go even father, you will see that, before Adam Smith, Locke was writing in teological, metaphyisical and philosophical terms when writing about property, production and even money. It is with the marginal revolution that the drift towards 'economicism' begins, more so in the works of Jevons and especially Walras. Mises, being Menger's intellectual grandson, was preocupied with both pure philosophy and catalactics (what we nowadays call economics) - something the video doesn't aknowledge. That being said, the fact of the matter is that Marx subsumes conscience to the material, and by that he ultimately means the social relations of production (a.k.a the economy). Marx's framework, while rather sophisticated, is at its core economicist. Something that, in any case, is very dear to the modern mind. Lockean liberalism is not that different as it interperts men's god given will in relation to its economic capabilities. What I really want to say is that, in the same way you need Feuerbach and Hegel to talk about Marx, you need Locke and Kant to understand Mises as a thinker (and Hume, if you include Hayek). This video is rather symplistic in either way.

[@amyjohnston9275]

This was one of the coolest shoots I have been a part of. Tyler and Tripp killed it. We were told to dance "but in like a antifa rioter kinda way" lol

[@seanw1186]

Can you point out where you are I wanna try to find you

[@vinnyvin4287]

@SpongeBob SquarePants He meant where he was in the video...

[@dominic64tblightning24]

SpongeBob SquarePants ayyyyyy i’m in tampa dawg

[@Edmonton-of2ec]

Amy Johnston I’m not quite sure you want to associated with such an ironically quite fascistic (at least the way they act during protests) organization that does more harm then good

[@JeremyRight-zi4yp]

Hasn't aged well though

[@asherh.8593]

Is it just me or was this cooler than it had any business being?

[@user-td4sh1fk3u]

Brilliant, intelligent and very relevant. And wayyyyy more interesting and captivating than MSM discussions.

[@Theodore2512]

Awesome❤ Thank you❤❤

[@slevinchannel7589]

Capitalism: Gets stresstested by a Pandemic. Capitalism: Breaks apart os hard 1000 video-essays are made about the 1001 different ways it broke down, including but not limited "Capicalism vs Covid" by "Some More News"

[@ExPwner]

@@slevinchannel7589capitalism didn’t fail dumbnuts. Government intervention did. Quit spamming dumb propaganda and claims you can’t actually back up