Hey guys, we've seen the Maisteer videos and he has been a big influence! We are waiting to hear how the steps sound on a car engine like the V12 before we scrap ours and start all over again. The bike engine revving out sounds cool, but kinda apples and oranges. And while there is real physics behind the steps, there are many variables to implement properly, that we are curious to see how he tackles and the results achieved. Definitely have our eyes on it!!!
@Justins_shed5 ай бұрын
Everyone saying “stepped headers” can get in the bin. There are more important things happening here.
@amazin70065 ай бұрын
@@Justins_shed Yep a lot of math and testing that has to be done to do it right. Overall, the concept is the same.
@dons19325 ай бұрын
@@Justins_shed 100%, stepped headers are not the key.
@tturi24 ай бұрын
don't sleep on superbike engines
@ASRLawman4 ай бұрын
Is it even firing like the 5.0 Pre LP Gallardo and the original Ford Triton?
@MuscleCarGarage20225 ай бұрын
Being a Ford employee for 31 years, I have to say. I'm proud of what you did with the mix of our parts and your own. This is a top notch bad ass build.
@ranware27795 ай бұрын
This is the stuff ford should have done to every modular engine there should have been a basic version and a outlaw version. It shouldn't take people to do all this custom stuff. Just like the ford explorer 11+ it should have been a eco, and a coyote version. The trakhawk would have been obsolete to many dropped passes for the home team... main drop mustang cobra SS that should have been the standard
@forresterpaige77674 ай бұрын
@@ranware2779people like us have no place at big wig ford corporate because of statements like this . We get shot down or told we’re too uneducated for the job when we could actually make the company better . The new ford escape for instance wtf are they doing the looks are good but go full blown with it and compete with Subarus I’m talking awd turbo 6 speed factory lift kits the works
@KevinJames-yg9eu4 ай бұрын
@@ranware2779 They have to be able to pass emissions and fuel economy requirements and make a profit. They can't just make whatever they feel like, and unless they think they can meet the sales targets, they're not going to invest in developing and certifying a product. As for the 2011 Explorer, how are you going to put a Coyote into a Volvo transverse FWD platform, short of gutting it and starting over? Might be feasible for the 2019 to present Explorer....
@ranware27794 ай бұрын
@KevinJames-yg9eu bs those are excuses fella nobody is saying put the outlaw engine in the car from the dealership. There are options to everything and ford did us dirty on alot of things no matter how hard you cry about why this and why that. They had potential that got wasted. All mustang gt's 96-10 should have been 4v engines all cobras should have been 5.4 4v engines. The coyote should have a 5.4 and 5.6 variant for the street..... they actually make those just not for the people. The ford explorer should have been on the f150 chassis likes it's always been. Tye ford explorer should have had a mandatory coyote option. The 2020 gt500 weights to much has a knob as a shifter a dct transmission only option when it should have come manual and weight less than the gt350 with no lift shift. The ford gt 17+ pure 100% bs the contract the v6 only option the dct 7spd only thing. The list goes on I could cry real hard but I'm not I will just touch the surface. The ball has been dropped to many times . #TeamSvt were the real guys holding ford down Fpr is junk and on bullshit
@MuscleCarGarage20224 ай бұрын
@forresterpaige7767 FYI, I'm just a hourly Machine Repairman at the Super Duty 10R140 transmission plant in Southern Ohio.
@kingdaniel35195 ай бұрын
This is easily, hands down the single coolest build on YT in at least the last decade.
@knowbull5hit5905 ай бұрын
Been saying the same thing! The amount of detail, dedication, and engineering they have put into this build is on another level
@bobyblaccc305 ай бұрын
Foooorrrrrrr sure brotha 💯
@paulmickle11355 ай бұрын
Couldn’t agree more
@Hybridesque5 ай бұрын
Erm... Project Binky?
@gdmj916825 ай бұрын
Big facts
@robwatson36004 ай бұрын
There is nothing "backyard" about these bastards. Cutting and welding heads, cutting new cams, this manifolds. This is professional engineering. 13:1 CR, that's kicks ass. Good job boys.
@skullfracture219 күн бұрын
You should probably look up Alan millyard if you haven’t already, hes going to really leave you speechless…
@gilowens57855 ай бұрын
How this channel doesn’t have a couple hundred thousand subscribers blows my mind. Absolutely insane project being very well documented.
@TheBCninja5 ай бұрын
@gilowens5785 Unfortunately, it doesn't feed the algorithm as hard because the uploads aren't more frequent. Tough to do all the building and engineering of this project and put out daily vlogs or something. It would be a lot of garbage content.
@chrisjvas4 ай бұрын
@@TheBCninjatrue, feel like they’re being dicked by an algorithm made for iPad kids
@commonsenseisdeadin20244 ай бұрын
Got to start somewhere!
@97silverlude4 ай бұрын
I'm doing my part sharing with everyone and demanding they sub. Simply amazing work and can't wait to see more vids!
@stephenjones401313 күн бұрын
He is barely explaining shit
@prxcizion41295 ай бұрын
Sounds even crazier than I thought it would. I've heard so many of this mod v10s and they always have this v6 kind of drone to them. This thing sounds insane! I bet with it toned back with a good muffler it's going to sound like a true exotic. Great work guys!
@zacharychavez34825 ай бұрын
The thing with typical 6.8s is that many just cut off mufflers or straight pipe them, thinking it's gonna sound beefy like a v8 or like a Viper, and proceed to be disappointed when it doesn't even sound close to either. It's REALLY easy to make a 6.8 sound bad. That is not to say it CAN"T sound good as I've heard some screaming off their limiter from individuals that spent good money on proper exhaust setups.
@amazin70065 ай бұрын
@@zacharychavez3482 It sounds like a Huracan once they put the X pipe on it, it's all about maximizing those pressure waves. Maisteer has a good video on why this happens called "f1 sound is fake"
@zacharychavez34825 ай бұрын
@@amazin7006 Oh, I agree. With the right setup I've always thought they sounded like lower-revving Lambos. Not a bad sound at all, it's a just different sound than what's typically expected.
@hpa1015 ай бұрын
It sings! Great work yet again... I can't wait to hear it in the car 😎 - Markku
@purplejerry15 ай бұрын
common HPA DUB
@mrvector2575 ай бұрын
the goats
@Hydrazine10005 ай бұрын
If I had to nitpick: it's still a 90° bank angle engine. But let's be honest, modding a block to the perfect 72° for a V10 would be utter madness. What a project! You guys might want to look into getting a high SPL microphone though. (Thats high sound pressure levels) The current set-up clearly succumbs to the awesomeness of an unmuffled proper equal length double 5-into-1 V10.
@inaNis_5 ай бұрын
The ford crank is of a split pin design so it is actually even firing
@Levibetz5 ай бұрын
Agreed on the mic, but on the bank angle, the Ford V10 is split pin so the exhaust pulses are even. The Lamborghini V10 is also a 90deg bank angle. It's based on the Audi V8 I believe. The 5.0l Lamborghini has split pins, 5.2l has straight pin and is odd-fire.
@fokjohnpainkiller4 ай бұрын
@@inaNis_ Didn't know this!
@melvin96144 ай бұрын
There’s also the fact that it’s a cross plain crank and not flat plain
@Hydrazine10004 ай бұрын
@@melvin9614 But an inline-5 or a V10 can't be a flat plane crank anyway. 360⁰ divided by 5 is not a multiple of 90⁰.
@akersquarteracre80024 ай бұрын
Dump both banks into one collector for the ultimate sound. Basically a 2-into-1 setup. The crossover helps but balancing the exhaust pulses directly together in one pipe creates the most exotic sounding pitch and tone. Also improves scavenging for better flow and improves mid to upper end horsepower output. Great vid, thanks for sharing! Very fun.
@ninjakevin62265734 ай бұрын
This^ please!
@_IMNNO4 ай бұрын
Or go crazy with a 10 into 1.
@Zirion1234 ай бұрын
Ye would sound pretty batshit with a 180 degree header 10into1 collector
@TheCluelessEnthusiast5 ай бұрын
That x pipe made a big difference. Much more high pitched. Sounds freakin' amazing
@UKBUILT3 ай бұрын
Yeah the mixing makes a huge difference 😍 I need an X pipe on my V12 build 😎
@TheCluelessEnthusiast3 ай бұрын
@@UKBUILT i wish i had an m120 with an xpipe in my w124. Lol
@UKBUILT3 ай бұрын
@@TheCluelessEnthusiast 😆 that would be epic. I would love a c126 😍 but classic mercs are currently rocketing in value.
@kelseyoberto5 ай бұрын
The amount of engineering these guys have put into the whole design is nothing short of incredible. It's the custom heads on efi, I just haven't seen that very many. The noise that happened once you added the x-pipe... Chef's kiss. Please add my accolades to your efforts gentlemen, and keep having fun 🙂
@UKBUILT3 ай бұрын
I am going to need an X pipe on my V12 🤔
@mchristr5 ай бұрын
"I don't always listen to my 4V V10 just for fun. But when I do, so do my neighbors." You guys have outdone yourselves with this video.
@codysmithmotorsports7365 ай бұрын
Sounds awesome. Best part is the fact you're putting it in a Continental and not something more mainstream
@-MacCat-5 ай бұрын
The "cackle" that engine makes is superb. Very well done guys. The look on Jack's dad's face was glorious. The look on Jack's mum's face was " ... meh ... ", unsurprisingly. 🤣
@mikedebear5 ай бұрын
Wildly impressive guys. Can't wait to make my F-550 work truck sound like this hahaha. The fact that you grafted your own 4V heads for this beast is jaw dropping.
@CapablePimento5 ай бұрын
A cat, a Pringles can, a quacking ring tone, and an F bomb. Love it!
@NathanaelNaused5 ай бұрын
Once they put that X-Pipe on I was like oh shoot! That thing sounds nuts. Without it it didn't quite sound right and it was just so loud it didn't have any tone to it. Once you get some straight through mufflers on that X-Pipe it'll be CRAZY
@ProducaGraham24 күн бұрын
You can tell his parents love and support his work. The benefits of a loving home can make an endless amount of possibilities for your kids.
@mikeoldani15595 ай бұрын
I always felt Ford (Lincoln) missed the boat by not offering a 32 valve Coyote V8 in the Continental. However, hearing that 40 valve V8 with equal length headers and the x-pipe, you’ve elevated the concept to a totally different (dare I say, “stratospheric”) level. I want. I want! I W A N T!!! That sounds absolutely amazing! Why did you go to such effort? Because you can! I cannot wait to see this project completed. I really want to experience this thing in person one day. What an amazing build!
@philbert0064 ай бұрын
The Continental had been long discontinued by the time the coyote was introduced. The latest ones had the 4v 4.6 though.
@mikeoldani15594 ай бұрын
@@philbert006 except it wasn’t. The last gen Continental was 2017-2020 and the Coyote came out in 2011.
@MrRj600rr5 ай бұрын
Very supportive parents. God bless them. 😊
@robertjames13245 ай бұрын
This is the most enjoyable and mind blowing build I have seen. It is the most mind blowing because of the way you have managed to engineer the issues away. Because you blokes don't carry on with a heap of theatrical crap and it is obvious you are just real good blokes. No ego's. From Australia can you just keep doing this stuff. Of course there is plenty to go here still. Just saying keep up the great work.
@dietznutz123 күн бұрын
This is extraordinarily impressive
@christianmichalsky28264 ай бұрын
Never would I have thought that a FORD V10 engine could sound like that! Makes a grown man like me cry, swear
@UKBUILT3 ай бұрын
😎👍
@DerekGarner-km4fj5 ай бұрын
The sound with the x-pipe is simply fantastic. Well done.
@simonblackburn69375 ай бұрын
You need to put this to market. Right there you've shown us that this V10 can become a nice option for swaps
@biy_buildityourself5 ай бұрын
Maybe I’m the future!
@dons19325 ай бұрын
Making your own heads is insane. Amazing build! Move the x-pipe to right off the ends of the collectors and it will be crazy high pitched like F1.
@mreroot5 ай бұрын
Man, I found you guys because of my love of the 6.8. What you guys have crafted is amazing.
@BreakerBreaker13204 ай бұрын
Equal length header dumping into collectors in sequential firing order will improve that sound but best will be to Dump them all into one 10 pipe collector in Sequential firing order clockwise and you will have it made. Bring the pipes in at 13 degrees and no helical twist. And exit with a 5 inch pipe and maybe have fun with a boom tube.
@blueishsquid42904 ай бұрын
It sounds great, a nice set of ITB’s would make this V10 rev like an F1 engine and make it scream like one to
@UKBUILT3 ай бұрын
Defo 😍
@kingarturo4583 ай бұрын
That engine in a Ford GT40 OMG 😮❤🙏👌
@racer193wr5 ай бұрын
The best proje6on KZbin right now hands down. I cant believe you dont have all the views on this beast..
@zacharyzimmerman21014 ай бұрын
Just found this channel and it brings out my inner child, with my nerdy love of science and machining. Thank you.
@krakhedd5 ай бұрын
Bellissimo, Maestro!!! Oh my GOD do I miss that sound - 100% agree the best-sounding ICEs have ever been (honorable mentions to all of the Detroit 2 stroke V8s) - can't wait to hear your V10 scream past 4k!!
@hpkntnw5 ай бұрын
How does this channel not have every gear head on the planet subscribed!! 🤯
@biy_buildityourself4 ай бұрын
The algorithm gods have not blessed us yet! 😭😭
@CapablePimento5 ай бұрын
So sick! Why are these the only 2 heads in existence? You have shown the way forward! Ford V10s are the next big thing.
@mentionautoworks62225 ай бұрын
Guys don’t stop making me smile. Absolutely amazing.
@gentleg51825 ай бұрын
THIS IS THE VIDEO IVE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!! ITS FIRE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@patrickm45665 ай бұрын
2 mins in and I’m already psyched with the editing on this one. The project has been incredible from the jump, the videos keep getting better and better as well. You boys are onto something great here!
@biy_buildityourself5 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed that, it was fun to make!
@ranware27795 ай бұрын
Now this is how a v10 should sound. Forget that exotic razzle this thing sounds mean
@tikiman485 ай бұрын
unreal how much a difference the xpipe and headers make wow. keep it going, love the progress.
@Yosser705 ай бұрын
Did you guys see the recent video about it being stepped headers that gave F1 cars their unique sound? They definitely seem to be the key, even a 4 cylinder sound like an F1 car, if you fit stepped headers 😊
@whattheluck75 ай бұрын
was looking for this comment. Guys did a nice job but it will sound like shit compared to F1 engines. they need to dive into scavenging and design it like musical instruments. F1 sounds like that cause you hear Chord (three tones) not Tone (one diameter pipe)
@dons19325 ай бұрын
Not true, at all. Silly people are buying in to Maisteer's misinterpretations. It's common pinched collectors that create that sound, ie the x-pipe, not stepped headers. That's why it made such a difference here. They just need to move it closer to the collectors. Maisteer even shows an F1 engine without stepped headers that still makes that sound. Because that ain't it. It helps maybe 5% when everything else is right. But the x-pipe is 90% of the sound.
@whattheluck75 ай бұрын
@@dons1932 not true. I was not referring only his video but scavenging theory as whole. I even programmed Python script to generate audio files of each cylinder at desired RPM to analyze how the exhaust waves will compliment each other (for various steps diameter to get resonant, not disonant tones - x pipe will ruin it)
@r3lease8665 ай бұрын
@@dons1932 F1 engines never had x-pipes...
@nbain664 ай бұрын
@@r3lease866straight out of the headers and up for late V10s and V8s, I mean hell you can see it.
@glenfowler755 ай бұрын
Absolutely the best sounding street car engine. You guys have knocked it out of the park!! Great work so far
@buildingsalvage5 ай бұрын
Underrated channel for sure
@Tunerfreak995 ай бұрын
Yall deserve so many more subscribers, from the details of the build to the editing and commentary it’s high level!
@802Garage5 ай бұрын
Incredible work, gentlemen.
@camyota5 ай бұрын
It sounds like a 2 stroke outboard at idle. Wild!
@biy_buildityourself5 ай бұрын
It does kind of sound like a 2-stroke!
@droppedf1005 ай бұрын
Man with the x pipe it sounds incredible 😮
@DericO-rz3be5 ай бұрын
MEGA MAESTRO. Comic Gags, Video Effects, Engineering Results. You Gents are Seriously Legit.. Awesome and Congrats
@asysz5 ай бұрын
Awesome project guys! Btw, Disney uses the 6.8 in the Safari trucks at Animal Kingdom’s Kilimanjaro Safari ride. I think they run on CNG.
@biy_buildityourself5 ай бұрын
Interesting!
@Wrathlon2 ай бұрын
4:00 - That man was NOT prepared for that haha
@rswany165 ай бұрын
I am a human tripod right now!! ❤
@imowgrass4 ай бұрын
You aren't, always?
@ricardo1e934 ай бұрын
Wrong. You're a tractor 🚜❤
@jimf51605 ай бұрын
those F1 V10s were amazing...I attended 2 of the races at the Indy road course...and brought my most effective earplugs. Great sound...good to try to emulate it. Much of their sound also comes the valve overlap...your cams may not have that.
@tokuchaan46935 ай бұрын
Love the intro bit. I can sense you've been influenced by Maisteer's unique (and somewhat unhinged) editing style🤣
@needleonthevinyl5 ай бұрын
7:20 SO happy to hear this! Obviously you guys did beyond excellent work with perfectly equal length headers and the exotic collectors, but you don't know if it will sound any good until you test it for real like this. You hit the mark!
@SunsetAlgorithm4 ай бұрын
I can't understate how amazing this is and the RND that went into it from two dudes in Michigan in a garage. Projects like this is are the very definition of capstone, an amazing display of knowledge, machining and enginuity. May you continue to grow on YT, great stuff gentleman.
@michealsikora49314 ай бұрын
This deserves to be a Ford GT transplant.
@heavyliberty97634 ай бұрын
Amazing build and amazing sound! you guys are genius, we need this as a production engine lol
@AK_Ray5 ай бұрын
Hell yeah fellas, weekend has been made!! Thank you
@arkhsm4 ай бұрын
FAN-TASTIC, well done lads....That will be one of THE MOST AWESOME Hot Rod Lincoln's ever !!
@brycemueller73305 ай бұрын
Bro, this video is 💯 giving me Maisteer vibes!!!! Does anybody else see what I'm seeing!???? ❤❤❤
@goorgert13645 ай бұрын
You guys can rightfully be proud. The engine looks and sounds amazing!
@imonaroll95025 ай бұрын
Make sure you guys double clamp all of those water hoses.
@KoalatrutaBR4 ай бұрын
awesome project guys, gonna be the hardest v10 on the block, much love !
@GOPACKERSJT5 ай бұрын
I didn't think this would get any crazier lmao
@ShaneRSR4 ай бұрын
STEPPED HEADERS!!!!! DONE
@sepg50845 ай бұрын
I've heard somewhere that Stepped headers also help raise exhaust note
@bigtony89785 ай бұрын
You guys deserve so much more attention, this is incredible and i've had a smile on my face every time i watch you
@knowbull5hit5905 ай бұрын
Best sounding V10 forsure. Best build on YT!
@LeachimSagrav3335 ай бұрын
Some megaphones and a stepped header will get you that F1 sound. Fluid motorunion sells a real nice megaphone.
@9a21x5 ай бұрын
I watched a video recently where they found the reason a lot of exhaust systems on performance vehicles retain higher pitched frequencies is because they step the internal diameter of the pipe up as the pipe gets longer. It is supposed to help with scavenging and will make it sound great! Maybe after you get the build complete you can experiment with shrinking just the first few inches of manifold to really and try to tune it! Amazing project, great work!
@gw3extreme2545 ай бұрын
Yeah that's what I said in my comment earlier. Waste teams have been practicing that for decades, the step exhaust headers.
@androiduberalles5 ай бұрын
Maisteer
@TMSRAGNAROK5 ай бұрын
I wish yall could build a similar tube frame body like the Arial Atoms thats street legal with active areo wing and such thats mid engine with a trans axle to make this into one hell of a custom car
@biy_buildityourself5 ай бұрын
That would be crazy!
@syntropy30205 ай бұрын
Have you considered stepped headers i.e. the first half of the primaries using smaller diameter pipe than the second half? This would make it sound significantly higher pitch like an F1 engine as it will double the number of reflections. Also what was the basis for the design in your X-pipe? Your current x-pipe design will cause a restriction as a result of having removed/cut out part of each pipes cross section to join them rather than splitting and opening them up to join them.
@jasonwilson91175 ай бұрын
It revs fast too. Awesome work!
@albo-one813012 күн бұрын
Wow, wow, and wow! You kids freaking rock! That is one wicked monster! Awesome build!
@TheTruthBeToId5 ай бұрын
You guys will have to install vband clamps to the rear exhaust exit to experiment with different brands and series mufflers till it's just right.
@UKBUILT3 ай бұрын
Good idea, I will have to do that on my V12 build 😎
@lakerdude424 ай бұрын
Never seen this channel before but this is extremely impressive
@cpdevon4 ай бұрын
I have hand made piped for V Twins in the past, this is insane. Well done!
@garrittpwl4 ай бұрын
This is literally so freaking inspiring. Seeing as I have an oddball swap myself (turbo 2v 5.4) I rock your merch at all the cruise ins I go to and try to tell everyone about this sick build. Honestly makes me want to build a gnarly 2v v10.
@doodskie9994 ай бұрын
Man and that's just limited to 4k rpm. Cant wait to hear this thing sing in higher rpms
@zoobear0216 күн бұрын
I've been pondering this for years now! Someone has finally done it!
@bradleyadams51674 ай бұрын
This is inanse! Incredible work my dudes
@ianhuelsbeck82154 ай бұрын
This is insane. Please keep up the good work
@Achillessoul5 ай бұрын
I'm so glad to see this build get this far!! It sounds incredible and the amount of time and effort you both have put into this is incredible. Just want to sat thank you for doing what no one has and building it yourself 😊
@sumerianbotfarm5 ай бұрын
Great build. Would be interested to hear 10 into 1 headers on it.
@biy_buildityourself5 ай бұрын
Because of the firing order of this engine, a 10-1 isn’t needed to get that unique sound of the typical 8-1 set ups. It would definitely look crazy though
@OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOok4 ай бұрын
With fueltech? I give my respect, the best adjustable injection
@TheOtherPlayer4 ай бұрын
truly beautiful work, it's one thing to redesign it, but the finish work looks impeccable
@AutomotiveAdventuresWithAustin3 ай бұрын
Thank you KZbin for randomly putting this video in my feed! That thing sound glorious! Can not imagine the amount of work and R&D that went into getting this done but thank you for making this creation happen! Looking forward to more!
@RodRobinson-tw4qgАй бұрын
Love the sound and nice to see the Soarer in the background Rod in New Zealand.
@jesses10974 ай бұрын
Sounds awesome with the x pipe 😎 👌
@UKBUILT3 ай бұрын
Defo 😍 I need one on my V12 build
@mitchoconnell69444 ай бұрын
Sounds amazing. Under load will sound incredible.
@TheCluelessEnthusiast5 ай бұрын
My favourite youtube build atm. Love your work!
@JalopNick4 ай бұрын
This is sick, guys. Never considered the 6.8 in a performance application.
@Dope.And.Pretty4 ай бұрын
Wow, that sounds incredible! Nice work guys!
@thegrey86434 ай бұрын
Its a really cool project and I love it as I've always wanted to do something wild with a truck v10. I dont think it sounds that good though free reving in the beginning but its probably the mic having trouble. I've run into that myself while recording loud straight piped engines of my own that sound way better in the physical than they do recorded up close and played back. I bet it will sound good once you are done with an exhaust system for it and its doing a pull under a load. The x pipe did improve the sound quality quite a bit and it started to sound good.
@jx10r135 ай бұрын
That damn thing is freaking wicked!!!!! Sounds more like a vintage Indy or F1 engine not a new style one, it sounds more raw and mean like the old school engine.
@ProjectFairmont5 ай бұрын
Yea, sounds like an Offenhauser Indy engine. That in itself is rad!
@michaelroberts14204 ай бұрын
You guys did an amazing job and no one can deny that. I would think that aside from having a flat plane crank and less than half your displacement it’s the 20,000 RPM that made those F1 V10s sound that way. I like the way your motor sounds much more.
@nickkucharski5562Ай бұрын
Getting very close! That is insane, Maisteer cracked it!
@brentruss21683 ай бұрын
Dear Ford, please give us 4V billet aluminum V10 crate motors based on Coyote architecture and parts. Love, 'Murica
@JohnDoesItAll4 ай бұрын
Sounds insane! Not what I was expecting ❤
@karlkoenigstein41385 ай бұрын
I thought it was amazing and then you rascals put the x-pipe on it. Astounding build. Proves its not the size of the garage or the production team that matters, it’s the size of the car builders’ desire that counts.