Bjergsen or Doublelift: The Goat? | Pros vs Streamers

[@TobiDaJoker]

omg the Jubilee style video

[@blankoblanco]

Huuge win for team Doublelift. I have to agree. Bjergsen was so dominant when he first came to NA, but it tapered off, even though he continued to be a top 2 Mid. Doublelift just kept growing throughout his career, and he went from being a brainless mechanical God to actually being a smart player who made all his teams better.

[@georgeide2337]

It didnt taper off lol he was dominant from 2014 til 2017 in terms of mechanics and definently more respected Internationally at that point. Doublelift is a 12 year old boy trapped in the body of a adult.

[@jeffallenwang]

I think Doublelift also going something like 4 consecutive LCS wins in both TSM AND TL cemented that. I had Bjergsen over DL but then Bjergsen never found success outside TSM whereas DL has found success on as an OG with CLG, pushed TL to relevancy, and made MSI finals (if won, that woulda been highlight for NA) outside of his time with TSM.

[@Nino-cv4dw]

@@georgeide2337 Bjerg needed Doublelift to get trophies, while Doublelift didnt need Bjerg. Doublelift even helped 3 different orgs get trophies, while Bjerg failed hard the moment he doesnt have a TSM superteam. Lol. End of argument.

[@NikolasThane]

Jensen was kinda kicking his ass back in 2016-17 though.@@georgeide2337

[@georgeide2337]

@@Nino-cv4dw go watch LCS again Bjerg won before DL and he did so on a worse roster😂😂😂

[@Squid0333]

I love this! Can we get more of this kind of videos?

[@badvertise]

so well edited, loved the set design, and the participants were great!

[@kevinco7226]

Really shocked to see this kind of content from TL. it was great to watch

[@Nino-cv4dw]

Shocked? TL is the only org that still churning out fresh new contents. Every other org especially TSM dont give a f anymore.

[@lucasfantastic5329]

oh sheesh i just realized it's from TL Honda LOL

[@jjg1998]

@@Nino-cv4dw Probably especially tsm because... they've not had a league team since last year? What would they make content on lmfao their imploding management?

[@coffeebunwithlotus7815]

Thank you Honda for the new quality content 🙏

[@coffeebunwithlotus7815]

P.S. I wouldn't necessarily complain if I were to receive an invite to the next one 👀

[@chriszak31]

Thank you Honda

[@JXie38]

Petition to have Impact in this style of video, the guy would be hilarious

[@RotteNygard]

Even though it’s not depicted in this video, I still think the majority of us viewers of LCS will recognize Bjergsen as the Goat and symbol of NA

[@TeamLiquidLoL]

Lucky to work with both!

[@DamianEstrada]

Here for Fan Drew! Dude is so freaking funny!

[@anthonypalazzole]

You da best Damian! 🐐

[@greenhorn8935]

I enjoyed this. Good job, TL!

[@CliffArmijo]

Core's English is so good now. Awesome to see considering how long he has been here now

[@drewwoodmansee4982]

Yoo is that Drew from TGI?

[@4chipmunkproductions]

bro it is 😳

[@juice3372]

y'all need to keep bringing drew on!

[@Hexecc1]

If he is not on next time, We will find you producers....we will find you :MENACING JOJO POSE:

[@Pourkhoa]

Amazing content. Glad this came on my fyp.

[@ramusvinicini]

Wish i could've seen a devil's advocate take on imports in LCS. I wanted someone to talk about live LCS chat, I almost feel like I can't watch live LCS because of the negativity in chat, I'd rather watch the VOD. The unfiltered takes in this video is the greatest, not super negative but just honest. Also, the lighting and quality of this video is amazing. Also, also, the members were all great, huge fan.

[@njmontano1625]

"The idea of Brood War as an esport is still relevant even if the game is no longer played..." While not technically wrong, the game's still being played in it's remastered form. The pro tournament, ASL S17(Afreeca TV Starcraft Remastered League Season 17), is currently ongoing.

[@_takina]

That Fan Drew guy is great! What a cool dude!

[@slicedice2284]

Love the idea and always support when orgs do content

[@forsaann]

holy shit this was a great, i hope they do more of this format

[@passion9809]

12:16 Honestly whether or not league will be relevant in 10 years heavily depends on the success of the riot MMO in my opinion . A revolutionary MMO can have insane competitive potential whether directly in some sort of organized in game fight , or even the competitive social / economical aspect of mmos . In albion online for example some guilds literally control parts of the map , so much so that you'll be killed on sight if you're travelling there alone . Such a setting can for sure overshadow league in my opinion .

[@a1lo1rixrix]

Keep these kind of videos coming!

[@Chyiu]

I FUCKING LOVE THIS TYPE OF CONTENT! MORE!

[@billnye4213]

That was fun! Well done

[@Lokitoh]

Shoutout to Lourlo being the best human being and playing high quality League

[@SerYordles]

I know I am a little late on this, but DL is also the goat because he lives and breathes for League. How many of the "big name" retired pros are still as obsessed with the game as he is?

[@mlm5150]

I love this content! Need more of it!

[@Kriskl]

Good content. Not even a league player but this was fun and intriguing.

[@KlausTube99]

Should’ve invited T1, would’ve created more “discussions“

[@PlsDontReadThis123]

HIGH QUALITY CONTENT. Color me surprised.

[@HeavenlyTouch1]

Nice to have some team liquid content once a month

[@nbisho01]

Need to get Azzap on one of these, he’s articulate and well informed

[@kentuckyexplosion]

Not to be a hater, but it's basically 40 minutes of people agreeing with each other, there were 2 questions that had some sort of debate, but not much.

[@getinthebebop]

your hate cannot be contained/:

[@Minusculion]

It’s not as if they knew beforehand that the questions they presented the players with were going to be all agreed with amongst the panel.

[@flame-fl3yy]

This was top tier content

[@kamrooz]

Actually good content. Well done.

[@ultraaran15]

I like the dude at 17:00 but hes obviously such an NA fan haha China has like 6 arenas and 17 pro teams in their LPL circuit. Aslong as China has a foot in the race so will the rest of the world. China alone is like 1/7 of the world population. Theyll keep the game alive by force if necessary. League is so big in the East its not even close, its like how NA CS fans think the game is dying but then you look at EU and see how much love there is for the game. An entire continent is behind LoL 2 more if you count Europe and NA, even if you drop Europe and NA. Game still gonna be relevantz

[@yied2]

Bjerg is such a goat its sad his teammates always held him back in the day.

[@nooootnooooot]

ok this is grreattt

[@cedrichofstetter4057]

Core starting off talking about committing to NA talent and giving then time to improve (APA and Yeon ❤)

[@Sunshinus]

Every analyst i've seen agrees that, while flawed, LEC format is just so much better than double round robin. But i guess having more fun and competitive format is less important than amount of trophies. Keep LCS in the storage closet because it is where it belongs with mindset like that.

[@666deadlysinner]

1. I feel they need to bring back the import cap. There's so many instances where super teams are made out of imports and flounder. Imports haven't helped changed or made NA better compared to the other regions. 2. Play games in low elo. Its not positive. On a large scale maybe it is like events and bringing people together for international events but down to the bare bones of just getting on and playing its probably one of the most toxic communities. Especially now with the crap matchmaking riot has putting new players in plat or emerald Elo, and all the bot accounts grinding for iron, it's gotten more toxic. 3. League will still be relevant in 10 years. It has already lasted over a decade which a lot of games can't say they have done. And with all the clones that more so try to copy the league formula compared to Dota or Dota 2, most of those games get really hype then die out after a year or two. 4. Double lift is the GOAT of NA LCS. The man left and came back and was still the best ADC In the league between personality and play he is the best, there were plenty of mid laners that rival Bjerg. Double lift is also a NA native Bjerg was one of the first imports. 5. LEC no. LPL or LCK yes. NA needs to bring back relegations and make league more interesting watch. You have a challenger team league with no way of those teams to get into the LCS anymore. Going back yo relegations of the bottom 3 teams would have to fight for their spot against the top 3 teams of the challenger league. And I agree need more best ofs even a best of 2 would make the LCS more watchable. And make it 10 teams again. 6. They do. That's why new champs are typically banned until either a patch or 2 come out that balance them out and make them more tolerable to play against. Even with reworks or certain updates, my main example is stealth Champs, there really isn't much counter play to them without having 3 pink wards in a lane and even then most can get around them. And really you don't think of Champs as fun against. 7. I agree with Spica

[@alvinlee1697]

spica is funny as fuck and has good insight, fantastic guest cast

[@Ysumguy]

This probably has nothing to do with LoL... BUT this video reminds me of that one time when I watched Shroud (a pro counter-strike player and a PUBG streamer) entered into a PUBG tournament full of PUBG pro players and he got wrecked in that tournament. Pros and streamers are not the same.

[@Jojo-lg5jm]

Wasn't Palafox pretty good in Flyquest?

[@GachaJay]

Top 10 content of any org this decade

[@baronnashor158]

actual goat content

[@heberdo4639]

i be watching these videos like if i’m being paid for playing the game

[@mewk2175]

THIS IS CONTENT

[@noahlocke9302]

how quickly people forget...the bjerg slander feels so sad ngl

[@RabbitWhispererYT]

Bjergsen may be the GOAT, but Doublelift is the protagonist

[@user-ux3jp9oo7r]

Doublelift > Bjerg is so common among people in the scene and high elo players.. yet the common pleb always wants bjerg to be him xD

[@mellodevils6837]

i wish i was able to ask one question bc that would be do u think more players would stick around in league if they iP banned ppl(reason i ask is bc ive been playing since release and im not playing that much anymore bc i finished d4 last season and now this season i have a negative wr bc of trolls and afks on my team for more then 70% of my games and im never getting to play the game anymore bc its over by 5 min) (also really good video)

[@Rerpesentz]

No game is over by 5 minutes, that's a mind set diff, there are plenty of games great players just plain fuck up and get outplayed (By other great players) it's the nature of league of legends

[@frostedtimes3914]

CoreJJ is wild we all know the best NA adc is Imaqtpie

[@antonb1632]

this was fun

[@rafaellee1719]

If Mayumi and Mayumo in the same video you have my like

[@Megan-sb2ju]

so glad they said no to the LEC format question, their new format has made LEC so much less interesting and everything feels much lower stakes.

[@Andres_di_Burg]

When the emerald LoL fan is this smartest person in the room...

[@yellowbot.league]

This was actually so well done!

[@Roseboy22]

golden age of pro league content

[@theexposedseacreature7594]

this is a cool video jubilee style thank you honda

[@zwolga]

This is great content. Thank you Honda *alienware

[@JoshEaa]

I love the video style. But. Sneaky is the G.O.A.T. of the LCS, show me an average sneaky game actually 12/13 games look good, not ok, good. Look at an average Dlift game and it's much less consistent.

[@theowayne5401]

thank you Honda

[@Zhuny_FR]

Ayoo fire content 🔥🔥🔥

[@dranzerkai6051]

Maybe League may remain relevant in 10 years but the Esports definitely won't. The day Faker retires, LoL Esports will lose it's relevance. Now before someone starts hurling insults or making assumptions. If you saw Caedrel pull up viewership stats on stream, in LCK's top 10 most viewed games from the 1st round robin, the top 9 were T1 games and the 10th was GenG vs DK which have the 2nd and 3rd largest fanbases followed by GenG KT and KT DK where GenG KT slowly had rising viewership because of the upset and KT DK being 2 even teams (with a blunderful macro) and KT has the 4th largest fanbase still. When Faker was injured last year, that viewership plummeted too. Even at worlds, viewership when T1 plays is higher than years when T1 didn't make it and the views on T1 games are highest too Ofcourse this doesn't factor in LPL team games since these are YT and Twitch stats but the game will lose relevance in the west and maybe to some extent in Korea when Faker is gone. Only LPL may remain relevant

[@klinkclang]

The efficiency and skill conversation aside when it comes to imports, I think teams are failing to understand how to build a team brand. People like teams like C9 and TSM because (at least in the past), it's not often that players get swapped. And when it does happen, it's a big deal for the whole fan base. Nowadays, these teams have rotating doors for teams and wonder why no one can get invested in their arbitrary branding. No American viewer cares about some faceless bottom 10 LCK player.

[@Omilliyo]

finally some good content

[@christmastimelor790]

where was this energy when Bjerg was on the "super" team. Core voted bjerg as the goat on that list.. so did Steve.

[@Extra_Depresso]

the NA import topic is simple. LCS scene is terrible, the growth is limited, and there is less money in the LCS than it has ever been. Most teams resort to imports because it is easier to get great talent out the door rather than invest in a player and hope they grow to that level in a few years. And lets be real most NA players goes into the pro scene to gain a reputation then becomes a streamer full-time. the relevance topic, LoL won't die. Many say it will die but the audience is growing. People who say LoL is dying are the DOTA players that thinks DOTA is the best MOBA. I have a LoL hater friend that stands on dota being the better LoL, but yet he only plays LoL. He also even keeps up with the meta and patch notes, but not for dota. They hate LoL, but they love the game.

[@QuangNguyen20]

“They took our jobs” - South Park

[@blackshields809]

5x the ads of most channels

[@rafaellee1719]

You won in our eyes too Mayumo :' )

[@dylanm7063]

"Also known as World Champion" - CoreJJ

[@TeamLiquidLoL]

Badass

[@LaughingMage]

God this content is magnificent.

[@tatro222]

corejj talking about toxic streamers after getting torched by tyler1 😭

[@noahvessar3318]

Can we get spica on TL now?

[@NuclearSad]

Celebrated inter CoreJJ

[@AlenBarbul-h7i]

Bro who are this randoms what this could have been such a good video

[@AlenBarbul-h7i]

Legit only name in this video is spica

[@coolkid15105ify]

"DONT BE A SHEEP" lmao

[@DemonicGorilla]

Brother i watched CoreJJ sprint it the fk down on T1

[@Escape2Wonderland]

also talking about "star studed roster": TLH had two world champions on the roster.... 🙂but yeah Bjerg and DL are on the same level, they are the world champions of my heart haha, so the same accomplishements as Core and Pyosik🙂 honestly doesn't matter, both pretty bad 😀

[@Xuejinyuan]

No Worlds Trophy, don’t even try to discuss GOAT status. Until we get our shit together and stop being satisfied with regional wins, we’re nothing.

[@themanhimself436]

pros (+emerald player..?) vs casters

[@Nino-cv4dw]

Bjerg needed Doublelift to get trophies, while Doublelift didnt need Bjerg. Doublelift even helped 3 different orgs get trophies, while Bjerg failed hard the moment he doesnt have a TSM superteam. Lol. End of argument.

[@Stavros_Polymeropoulus]

Its the opposite, Bjerg startet winning from day 1 and he pushed Doublelift, you have it completely the wrong way around. Doublelift had the best teams over the years too so your arguments are pretty faulty. Also Bjerg was number 1 mid by far for atleast 7 years, where double wasns as dominant in his role.

[@Nino-cv4dw]

@@Stavros_Polymeropoulus Bjerg started on a SUPERTEAM from Day 1. He got lcky TSM picked him cause they already Top 2 team in NA. Doublelift was 1 v 5ing every game for CLG carrying Seraph, Locodoco etc. bunch of trash, and end up giving his org the trophy, destroying Bjerg 3-0 at MSG himself with a beautiful penta. Before Bjerg begged for his help to join TSM. Doublelift has Bjerg and LCS in the palm of his hands. Its not even close.

[@Stavros_Polymeropoulus]

@@Nino-cv4dw bjerg almost always had worse teams than dl, don’t talk to me about 1 v 5ing Bjerg was literally inventing 1v5ing in the lcs, he was by far the best player in the league for 3-4 years straight and even considered among the top 5 best players in the world where double would be lucky to be in a top 20 you cannot compare the 2 even tho double has been insane as well, bjerg was just that much better.. btw Bjergsen lead tsm to an na all time greatest worlds performance when they went to quarterfinals vs ssw, like you are so lost if you think it’s doublelift

[@Nino-cv4dw]

​@@Stavros_Polymeropoulus ‘Almost' means no. Idot. Bjerg jumped on a team with best in NA Dyrus, OddOne, Turtle and Lustboy. Doublelifts team has Seraph, Locodoco, Link, dexter and bigfatlp. You dont even know who the f any of them are. Rtad. Stop acting like its even close. Doublelift carried a 0 trophy org to the top. Bjerg hopped on an org that got LCS before him. Doublelift literally fk Bjerg upside down 3-0 with a penta at MSG, until Bjerg begged him to join TSM and you're here talking sht. LOL. Beat world champ Rookie, TheShy, JackeyL in BO5 to reach MSI Top 2 and you name some stupid ssw bullcrap. You a damn clown.

[@mambaforever3239]

I think even Doublelift will tell you the GOAT is Bjerg 😂

[@ihellspawn]

The new items need to get toned down for sure.

[@fujisyusuuke1709]

Hot topic, did CoreJJ grief Tyler or nah?

[@TTTRRR]

Yes, also Tyler deserved it, also Core should be punished.

[@dushmankush]

Great content, but Bjergsen is the best NA player. However, Doublelift perfectly incapsulates NA, so I can see why he’s considered the GOAT. NA Region and Doublelift overlap: Loudest Fans with Worst Opinions Overpaid/Overvalued Unwavering confidence despite little international success I’m sure there are more, but the similarities are uncanny.

[@Kigoli]

Doublelift is the most popular NA player of all time, no doubt. But calling him the goat when he never made it out of groups of worlds is such a joke IMO.

[@Broken_dish]

i def think lol community is the most toxic ive ever seen of any game by far just watching pro games and the chat is so gross how toxic people are they will take every opportunity to trash every single mistake even when they would make the same thing its just constant flaming and raging..i took a 3 year break came back and my 4th game i had a yone top running it down and blaming everyone else dude blaming bot for himself getting ganked ect its so gross and people like him are the reason many people dont even wanna get in the game it is very unfortunate how being a toxic turd is so accepted when all it dose is drive new players away also the elitism is gross acting like people dont make mistakes and then when they do you just ff or get super negative and flame or run it down its so gross it would be amazing if the community would move on from this stupid phase that they have been in for years now its time the lol community grows up

[@JPLX99]

thank you honda!

[@Ejune6]

I don't like the part where they talk about the league community. They did not mention the in-game toxicity at all, which feels odd to me because you are essentially talking about a video game that people play.

[@TeamLiquidLoL]

We turn chat off. APA doesn’t

[@blackop999]

Spica not being in the league is a sin

[@vincentwu2325]

Is that spica's sister

[@mambaforever3239]

It’s like the Jordan vs Lebron Argument. Bjerg peaked higher but Doublelift did it longer. I play both mid and adc and both were my favorite players for a long time but I rank Bjerg higher than Doublelift. Bjerg never really went out and said he’s the best, he just lets his game do the talking. He had an insane arsenal of champions played on stage and played every single one well for the most part. As per Doublelift, he said Bjerg was actually the shot caller of the team when they played together and he was amazed how Bjerg was able to view things in ways he didn’t thought of. And knowing what I know now about how shit of an owner Reginald was for TSM and Bjerg as a teen was able to flourish despite that kind of environment. I also don’t understand why people say Bjerg never had international success, Young Bjerg was playing vs Pawn in the 2014 Worlds Quarterfinals. No disrespect to Doublelift of course as both are qualified and worthy to be called the GOAT of LCS.

[@LightDin]

doublelift left tsm and destroyed them to conquer lcs on another team its DL

[@adamdaniels1572]

So fan Drew is emerald in this interview, and Gold in your newest video… hmmm…. (Also ain’t no way they discredit Bjerg absolutely smashing the league since day 1 of him being in LCS until he left. Doublelift was not that good the first 2 years he competed, took him a while to start winning and to even start dominating.)

[@TeamLiquidLoL]

He climbed!

[@shindoyhong3678]

i know someone will learking around here 💪👀😈

[@onixtheone]

Not sure why core is on there! That guy trolls in solo queue 😂

[@TeamLiquidLoL]

And you dont?!

[@onixtheone]

@@TeamLiquidLoL no actually I don’t 🤔

[@hydrosting]

Corejj still has a strong accent for someone whose been in NA for years now.

[@carevy1962]

When you move as an adult you rarely see immigrants lose their accents. Gets rarer as age increases. Although he still has an accent you can tell his comprehension and speaking skills have improved significantly.

[@ManHeIsAwesome]

Corejj should stop running it down T1s game.

[@peterrodeheffer235]

They talked about the toxicity in the game on social media, but they neglected to mention the overwhelming toxicity IN the game. People ping, flame, soft int, hard int, and grief significantly more frequently than any other game i play. I would say that games where none of that happens are the exception for me.

[@lemonhaze1506]

Maybe get CoreJJ to stop intentionally running it down in his soloQ game first? Dirty inter mf