2014 VW e-Up range and degradation test

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[@banepigeon]

The e-up is so small, you don’t need a reverse camera… if you can’t park an e-up with no driver assistance systems you shouldn’t be driving 😂

[@martijnkosters9024]

You can touch the rear window, you can basically feel what you are hittinh.

[@TILL_OFARIM]

I m 6'3 I can't touch it. How tall are you? ​@@martijnkosters9024

[@sharky07xy]

The 2020 e-up has parking sensors + a backup camera

[@jeesjees2]

Children and animals can be better seen with a backup camera. It really isn't about the ability to park, but rather overall risk management. There are very few downsides with having a camera as extra assistance. I don't have a backup camera in my Seat Mii electric. Would be nice though.

[@stevemcgowen]

Tesla drivers can’t backup or even stay in their lane without cameras and sensors…

[@rogerhudson9732]

Volkswagen stopped making it, the most sensible EV they've ever made. Crazy.

[@leos7471]

The fact it only charges to 4.05V at 100% shows it has a big top buffer so that should let you safely charge to full with minimal degradation

[@anselml2928]

That's impressive. The new up! has almost double the battery capacity but weights even 100kg less than the old one. Battery chemistry has come a long way since 2014. The new battery doesn't have such a nice flat charging curve and it is heavily affected by the outside temperature though.

[@IdaGSol]

Yes, cobolt talks!

[@pewpewpew8390]

sadly there is no new e-up anymore :( it would have bought it new now if it was for sale

[@jcemblem]

Also nominal voltage dropped from 370 to 310 volts, meaning slower charging as its limited to Max 120A. Still great to have the extra capacity 😊👍

[@benjaminhanke79]

It's not the car, Bjørn just gained some weight.

[@Johan-di9zg]

To get to the language settings and change what the display behind the steering wheel shows, use the three buttons on the right stick. Push and hold the lower switch and you get to the settings menu. You can use the button on the bottom of this stick which is labeled okay to navigate through the menu.

[@bjornnyland]

Thank you :)

[@catalicos]

I drove the twin cousin, Skoda Citigo-e iV and I was impressed with it. Such a good car for the city and a good driving experience overall. With EV incentives and subsidies, people could get them for less than 10k EUR. They sold out like hot cakes. And now people are expected to pay aprox 20k EUR for a Dacia Spring, which BTW cannot be compared in terms of build quality and driving experience. This little car was a gem, too bad they don't make 'em anymore.

[@RsOnTheStreetS]

They build this cars only with a big loss. This is why they stopped it.

[@alexk.7250]

Dacia Spring seems like a scam to be honest

[@johnmorgan8152]

Collecting a brand new E Up this week, Feb 2024 in Ireland. It'll be our 2nd car. We have a Niro EV as main car. Looking forward to see how economical the E Up is. Its costing us 17500 euro with metallic paint. Think its pretty good value

Wow, newer ones in Sweden, but used, are more than 22000€

[@wermagst]

From someone who has been driving the Citigo for 3 years: you've made a good decision and will be very happy with your e-up.

[@ando5899]

​@ that price is very very unusual for Ireland. The same car 6 months ago was 28,000

[@skorpion1298]

​@Germany around 25k€ :/ I wanted one but got a Tesla MY LR instead :) Hope Prices for e-Up will go down a bit

[@felixhome1363]

I didn't even know they're still making it. In my country you have only the ID series.

[@sargfowler9603]

Perfect for a town car/short commute. Seen lots of these and Seat Mii for sale really cheap.

[@lukyluke993]

e-UP with bigger battery is an underdog. Up to 36kWh in the newest version

[@darekmistrz4364]

better than Tesla Model 2

[@keithoftheshire2805]

USB port is on top of the dash under the small screen.

[@Baj64]

Behind the screen through the screen holder to be precise. ;-)

[@Johan-di9zg]

It is not. Only on the new version of e up there is the USB port on the dash

[@Troppa17]

The first e-ups had an proprietär connector there. Mini-USB wasn't cutting it I guess. So no USB port as you would expect it at least. The facelift e-ups (MY 2017-2019/2020-2023) will have only that USB port but you have to bring your own device for stats and navigation anyway.

[@alinmanolache5714]

Hi Bjorn,I dont know if somebody else told you.But for Hiper charger and supercharger you should swich the key once and then connect and start charging

[@Liefpj]

Brings me back to my i-MiEV days. Fast charging while i take naps in-between food delivery shifts. No heat while charging though. I was jealous of Leafs back then.

[@ansgarfinn500]

The e-up is more like a 2. car for a Family with another Large car ! You don´t need so much range to bring the Kids to Kindergarten or the weekly shopping !

[@wolfgangselle4307]

That’s what he said he just needs a small car .. to pickup or drop off the other cars he get for his reviews. And to go shopping is also more than enough. It’s a good small commuter car.

[@darekmistrz4364]

​@@wolfgangselle4307 Honestly it's amazing that after 10 years it's a car that is still moving people from A to B and is a car to be considered when buying a small EV for town commute

[@faustinpippin9208]

@@darekmistrz4364 "Honestly it's amazing that after 10 years it's a car that is still moving people from A to B" lol i have a 40y old ice car with 700k km on it and it still drives like new and it runs on lpg so its actually cheaper to run then a electric car (in my country at least) 10y is nothing special

[@darekmistrz4364]

@@faustinpippin9208 Show me your 10 year old smartphone. No? Thats what I thought

[@Liefpj]

If you live close to schools, try an ebike with a chariot/trailer. If it snows alot and money is good…an electric 3 wheel cargo bike.

[@nickdegroot2445]

Another tip, the car doesn’t have a usb port but you can just connect your phone via bluetooth for music and calls etc. Charging has to be done through 12 volt. As you were talking about the lights, In case you do get yourself an E-Up. It will be a nice upgrade to install Philips aftermarket LED lights. I have fitted them to my Up as well, they are high quality and a great upgrade and also don’t give error. The lights have the exact same (and even better beam pattern) as halogen, more light output and don’t blind oncoming drivers. Also they will pass the yearly governmental checks (they do here in the Netherlands where the laws are very strict). In case you are interested, I can send you the link. They only cost like €50 and its definitely worth the money.

[@stevemann6110]

I just bought a seat mii 36kWh and it’s bloody brilliant!! Simple but brilliant! Maybe look at one of these 👌🏻

[@ronaldderooij1774]

I never needed a back up camera. The audio signals are quite sufficient.

[@Kjottkakerihvitsaus]

13:06 I believe the voice will be turned off if you go into maps and press the volume button there

[@Spanem91]

I`ve got a E-UP with 32,3 kWh battery and it works on V3 supercharger👍 had a problem earlier with smartcharging with Easee+Tibber that the car went to sleep, but sorted it out with firmwire updaten @ the dealer👍

[@davedave1398]

Be careful with that space heater! Those things cause countless fires

[@peterjay9697]

I was just thinking hes going pretty fast for those road conditions...Then you reacted 😂

[@iConvict]

Newer models also have the automatic light sensor, back-up cam, connect to the VW app as a paid service and have a phone holder with dedicated app for your phone. They are a much more complete deal but likely go out of your budget range. However CCS over Chademo for me any time. Just more charging options are available if you need them.

[@TILL_OFARIM]

VW charges good money for connect. Seat doesn't do that 10 years free!

[@medman36]

Good German engineering. Small wheels ftw! A pity they stopped making them. With a few upgrades would likely still be a very good compact car for the masses. But we're now getting the upcoming id2all. Would be nice if Yesla could help making charging comptible with their protocols for older EVs. Would be nice gesture.

[@helgejohnsen]

I myself bought a 2015 Kia Soul 3 weeks ago. With 94% state of health. Although they have a reputation for bad batteries, there are some models with still good batteries. Considering that the car is almost 9 years old and has such a good battery, it may indicate that the car has been charged a lot with a home charger and not a fast charger. If you are to believe that fast charging takes a toll on the battery. I look forward to you testing the Kia Soul again.

[@LuciaGomez-yb3om]

They say the up is a little bit more efficience since 2017. VW is going a good job with older batteries 👍

[@alpertekniker6073]

2:10 The 12 volt battery is about to die.

[@csongorvarga]

I also have a small battery e-Up and mine has no CCS. Just 3.6kW AC and that is all. And that is from 2016. But my typical use is around 30-40km per day. At least I don't kill the battery with DC fast charge.

[@TILL_OFARIM]

Ccs in the new is nothing because u charge max 1c

[@csongorvarga]

@@TILL_OFARIM Still compared to AC, it is a lot. I mean go for Lidl to shop for 30 minutes, AC will add almost nothing to the range.

[@benjaminhanke79]

@@csongorvarga It's crazy that VW sold this car even after the 2017 facelift without CCS of you didn't order it.

[@csongorvarga]

@@benjaminhanke79 I agree. This is my first electric car, and I was so focusing on features like reversing camera and heated windscreen that checking for CCS did not even occur to me. Having said that I never used public charger before, but I guess it would by nice to know that I get get a full charge in 30 minute if I need to.

[@benjaminhanke79]

@@csongorvarga Nowadays the problem with cars like yours will be charging locations without a single AC charger. They remove the old AC/Chademo/CCS chargers and replace them with CCS.

[@benjaminhanke79]

The oldstyle Battery indicator is actually very accurate but you have to learn how to read it. One bar is 6,25% so if it points in between ½ and the bar below I read it as 46% The percentage reported via OBD has an unusable top and bottom buffer. When my e-Up! Is D.E.D. OBD reports 7,4%

[@TillGroos]

We traded our good old e-up! in december for a Corsa-e. Our e-up! had massive degradation, nearly 30% after 9 years and 125k km. It was a struggle in winter, but nice car overall

[@peterchang7646]

how many charge cycles for 125K km worth of driving?

[@Tunskaa]

Interesting to see so "high" charging speeds in older model. My 2020 Seat Mii with bigger battery never charges over 25kW at winter.

[@user-bq9bw7vm6l]

Hi Bjorn, try to find a 1st generation Soul that had battery replacement under warranty. They seem to replace it for the 30 kwh battery, which is much better.

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

If you consider what % of the population is not IT literate let alone it native, this is an ideal low tech EV for those people. Its also cheap to insure due to the lack of tech. (Reversing cameras for example) And it will fit into a small UK garage.

[@darekmistrz4364]

Reversing camera is insurance premium? I would have thought otherwise because it prevents accidents

[@apicharjiratanan4285]

Hmmmmm.... xc60 plug in hybrid even have 88km range considering N upgrade but I love the wagon style

[@isdeekelis]

Have 2014 e-up with ~110k on the clock. SOH is 86%!!! There is free software called OBD Amigos which is very good for e-up and e-golf.

[@pewpewpew8390]

The trick to getting chargers to working is locking the car withing 1-2 seconds of plugging in the DC plug, happens on most DC chargers, but also on zaptec AC

[@bardz0sz]

‘Batteryshtatus’ always cracks me up

[@T-Bear]

I have charged my eUp (2018) at Oppdal SuC several times and it charges to around 95% before it stops every time. At Trondheim (Lade) SuC on the other hand it handshake and start charging, but stops after a few % charged no matter what state of charge i start from Both are V3 as far as i remember. Hmm,seems like charging an eUp at SuC is a bit random

[@simonengvall7433]

Already the VW understood the importance of smooth street charging! They stick to it also!

[@Mike3MW]

Nice shopping cart 🤣The Up! was in fact the first VW platform made for EV, but issues like Dieselgate delayed it's EV launch

[@KS-vk5pc]

Seat Mii is a very good option, but cost more. We had -14 eUp and bought -20 Mii.

[@zdruj1994]

Bjorn, please make a compilation of your first time quotes for ex. "Battery Schtatus" "Spekerod Spekerod Spekerod" etc. 🤣

[@EPicurux]

what about upgrading the car (cheaply) to the larger battery pack via Ebilmek?

[@DaRockCRX]

Would be interesting to test if swapping all halogene Light with LED replacements actually has a positive effect on range. I calculated for a small motorcycle it is roughly 2% range increase but this has a much lower drivetrain consumption so percentagewise the lights are a bigger factor.

[@darekmistrz4364]

Halogen is nice in Norway because it melts snow and ice from headlights

[@MrKOenigma]

That car seems to be very good. I'm looking forward to find out in this video....❤❤😊😊

[@Aikaramba12]

really nice little car

[@Flusenheinz]

The bigger battery version from 2020 is working fine with the Supercharger. My favourite charging point, when on the Autobahn...

[@ConstantinBanciu]

Test a 38kwh Ioniq for battery degradation.

[@taichi86]

1000km challenge please !

[@darekmistrz4364]

You dont like Bjorn or what?

[@ratiof2827]

What about Charing in the summer, "Rapid"gat?

[@dxutube]

A (combustion) up was my mum's last car & she loved it until she lost confidence driving.

[@nakfan]

Bjørn drove-UPhill 😃

[@TILL_OFARIM]

The new one with 36kwh is perfect u pay 30% more but it's a massive increase of mobility.

[@darekmistrz4364]

And it should also help with battery life

[@geimst]

Har heller ikkje fått te å lade på SuC på våres 2013 e-up. Har testa på V2 Setermoen og v3 Evenes. e-Up takle heller ikkje å smartlading, den vil ikkje starte lading sjøl, men åpne man ei dør mens lader prøve å starte, så starte lading😅

[@pasmas3217]

having driven many many of these (for short-ish trips in city, shared mobility style), i have to say this is an amazing city car. it is just that for a car that has this small of a battery second hand they go for 10-12k€. but they are very very hard to resell afterwards. ( a friend bought one for about a year and spent the second year trying to sell it. he did lose close to 20% for just 2 years of ownership (on a 8-9 year old car). i really wanted to get one, but with all the dacia springs hitting the market with double+ range, this are a big risk of getting stuck with one when you get it... (+i still dont have a way to charge at home)

[@darekmistrz4364]

This what I find weird. There is few of them on classifieds and seems like very limited car so why they are so expensive? If they would be much cheaper, then it makes more sense to buy one for 4-5k. But definitely not for 10-12

[@gillscorner794]

How does the price compare against the leaf?

[@LoneWolf-wp9dn]

the skoda ecitigo was such a hit... vw could have sold millions of them but for some reason they didnt want to

[@mihai.tesla88]

Bjorn, the KZbin doesnt show me your videos already for 5 months..... why?

[@wocket42]

Does the e-up charge at the V4 SC?

[@gamekonsoller]

Er det lett og finne ut om batteriet på en tesla har mistet kapasitet på batteriet?

[@nicucimpoesu5581]

Hy! Please try to test one with the big battery

[@bjornnyland]

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[@nicucimpoesu5581]

@@bjornnyland the charging speed in the small battery Vs the big one is impresive.

[@OrikkO78]

JazzBjørn 😊

[@IdaGSol]

@Björn, what do you think of Mitsubishi iMiEV / Citroen C-Zero / Pegeout iON 16 kWh (net 14,5-ish) who does the same job for less money?. We still get 100 km out of our 13-year-old C-Zero also in -10 C (usually with a little cooler comfort temp. than +22 C inside - Wear a lusekofte!) and 120 km in summer. It is a lot cheaper than E-Up and fastcharges DC at 50 kW (have to restart at soc = 80 % if you want to top it). Unfortunately, only Chademo DC like the Soul, but we always charge it at home with a cheap adapter. It is very nimble and has a record-beating narrow turning circle. The motor is in the back with 53 % of weight there, so you can have a lot of fun with it winter time doing donuts when you turn off the anti-slip! 🙂

[@davidspencer7254]

There's a CCS to Chademo adapter

[@IdaGSol]

@@davidspencer7254Yes, there are heavy chunky chinese ones from € 1.000 that unfortunately puts a lot of weight and stress on the tiny Chademo port on the car. Not worth it for us, when there still are many Chademo DC-chargers and less competition around them nowadays.

[@jernmanden1]

så hvad er din konklution, soul eller E-up ?

[@grahamcook9289]

Ignition? Fire-up?

[@ElectricMikeEV]

Put skinnier tyres on it to improve range !

[@nickdegroot2445]

Why put the heater that high? Just put it at 18 to 20 degrees and turn on seat heating. It will make a great difference for sure!

[@bjornnyland]

Comfort and consistency vs other cars I test.

[@nickdegroot2445]

@@bjornnyland Yes okay thats true. I just know from Volkswagen that on average their cars get very warm at 22 degrees. Personally even my gasoline Volkswagen I put at max 20 degrees when seat heating is on. Also about the weight difference with similar Up you tested and new generation, I guess it comes from the spare wheel. Maybe have a look if this one has one and it can explain the weight difference.

[@tridrean]

❤❤❤

[@Te0gop]

Bjorn, why do you think that the correct measure of the consumption is Wh/km but not kWh/100km? Is there a video where you explain it?

[@jyrkipaavola.]

I guess it's because that's the way Tesla reports consumption and Björn is used to it 🤔 kWh/100km is used in most other cars and it's also more intuitive because the consumption in fossil cars is also reported in liters/100km. And also when charging you see kWh put into the battery and not Wh.

[@nakfan]

Yeah, he explained that once, don'r remember when. I think his conclusion was that we also use the small unit for ice cars, like km / liter.

[@bjornnyland]

BMW also uses Wh/km

[@darekmistrz4364]

It's pretty easy to convert it from Wh/km to kWh/100km. You just take 123Wh/km and put a dot before last digit like this: 12.3kWh/km. Bjorn argued that Wh is a basic physics unit and km is also a basic unit that is not multiplied unecersarily by 100. I don't fully agree with this, but I guess Bjorn aspires to being a physics scientist :)

[@petyapyatochkin9630]

@@darekmistrz4364 Well, to be precise scientist we must use then SI system units, J/m 🤪

[@arjenhoogcarspel4193]

That wasn't something to be proud of...first with CCS. VAG group ruined the implementation of V2G. With Chademo they were there years ago. With CCS it's still has to take off. And only because VAG wanted to derail Nissan. Missed chance the EU didn't step in to regulate this like they did with USB-C now.

[@SteveundJulian]

Oh no, right side is the right side. Charging Station is right.

[@GSino]

It has got usb a port behind the Garmin (is hidden 😅)

[@benjaminhanke79]

Only in the past 2017 model.

[@GSino]

@@benjaminhanke79 ok mine is 2018 model

[@sarran1955]

Wow Bjorn, 15:54 'souls for sale' Is your middle name Mephistophelese?? 🤣🤣🤣 Cordialement,

[@swecreations]

10-80% in 15 minutes is not bad haha

[@bjornnyland]

800 V hype go home! :P

[@swecreations]

@@bjornnyland Think you'd need a 1600V system to match the capacity of a modern EV with the same amount of amps/amp hours as this. 😂

[@benjaminhanke79]

​@@swecreations I know you're joking but seriously voltages above 1000V won't happen, that's where it gets really dangerous.

[@swecreations]

@@benjaminhanke79 It has nothing to do with "danger", there doesn't suddenly appear a new kind of danger just because pack voltage exceeds 1000V, it just gets a little more dangerous. Which is very little, in the grand scheme of things, because with current electrical safety standards and training they are not dangerous, they have clearly marked orange cables and switches to disable the live voltage of the battery pack, and proper training makes it safe. Plus an enormous amount of different safety systems if something were to go wrong. I don't know of a single case where someone has been electrocuted driving or using their own electric car. The biggest limitation if anything would be the fact CCS caps out at 1000V, but 1200V vehicles are still on the way, but that is more for buses and semi trucks.

[@MariusG101]

Did you test the Dacia Spring? I find it better than the e-UP and probably it is also cheaper.

[@michaeltofthansen3762]

The Dacia has longer range than the old E-Up. It's slower and has worse ride quality though. If you get the new E-up, Mii Electric or Skoda Citigo iV, you get a much better car all around.

But for real cheap cars the spring is too new. The e-up can be had much cheaper if you buy an older one. Cheapest spring in Sweden (though there very few) is 20000€ whereas the e-up is down to 8500€

[@MariusGrunca]

@@michaeltofthansen3762it is true that the ride in the Spring is nothing to write home about, but the ride in the e-Up is also not spectacular. I think that Bjorn just needs something to get from A to B with heating on. :) The range of the Spring is much better in Winter, about 150 km, compred to the e-Up. And, if found second hand, should be in the same price range.

[@MariusGrunca]

@at least in Germany you can find used Dacia Springs for under 10.000 euro (with under 10000 km). But yes, e-Up is easier to be found.

[@bjornnyland]

Not available in Norway.

[@simon_s2318]

Leftside is the wrong side, right side is the right side. 😂

[@SimonTob11]

We drive on the right side, park right, why should be the charge port be on the left side?

[@Te0gop]

@ob11 Because of the small garages in big cities' multi-family buildings. Often you cannot access the right side of the car in small city garage.

[@groepi1972]

There is not right or wrong side. It depence on the usage. So far for me is the front loader the best. I know thats the place with the most dirt. With the Leaf I had never the Problem that there is a lot of Schmutz. 😊

[@darekmistrz4364]

@@SimonTob11 Because left side is closer to driver. When you want to plug in quickly in winter in -20 it's the best because you quickly open door, unplug and got back inside without running around the car.

[@pierredelhasse3477]

Looking for a car? E-Golf is in Germany very cheap

[@MortenB0]

I don't know about this VW, I starts to feel it has no Soul...

[@benjaminhanke79]

Badumm tsssdd!

[@oogie-boogie]

you sad this car is 10 years old,, but you keep saying ,, a new car has more range,,, well ya,, its a newer car bigger batt,, i think its doing good for a 10 yo car

[@bjornnyland]

Incorrect. You didn't pay attention to what I was saying. I was comparing to 27 kWh Soul which is an old car.

[@lerssilarsson6414]

Thought it is a Kettcar.

[@fenceman53]

Just get an EV9 GT line and be done ✅ with it.

[@nakfan]

He will only / mostly use it as a shuttle car when he borrows press cars for a week or so.

[@tobimai4843]

Thats like 10 times the price

[@knutarneaakra6013]

Is this thing suppose to mimic being a car? I prefer driving my 50 years old fiat 500. Or better my 11 years old volvo truck.😊

[@ioanliviu22]

In this state nobody should be dumb enough to pay more than 1900€ for the thing. 2000 is to much.

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