The Rise of Hail in BW OU

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@BKCplaysPokemon 5 ай бұрын

dice's team: pokepast.es/797f4a245877f26d peng's team: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peng-hail.3742941/ triple axel blaze's team: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/hail-power-herb-kyurem-ho-suspect-team.3741874/ All the big games with hail in the last 30ish months: replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-604676 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-613726 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-654556?p2 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-672551?p2 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-672996?p2 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-674423 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-674654 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-678910 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-710930 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-714142?p2 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-741126?p2 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-746589 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-748343 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-749905 replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen5ou-752478

@Snagavitch 5 ай бұрын

Please add a warning to the video next time. One second in and I’m faced with an opposing cloyster at team preview

@BKCplaysPokemon 5 ай бұрын

snowflake generation smh

@barneythemusicmaker1098 5 ай бұрын

@@BKCplaysPokemonIce gem generation

@Rose-ez7yn 5 ай бұрын

@@BKCplaysPokemon yeah it seems that these snowflakes need some kind of "snow warning" before a video starts

@usernametaken017 5 ай бұрын

@@BKCplaysPokemonPtsd is a serious condition, you shouldn't downplay it like that

@peternicholas3719 5 ай бұрын

I've never played a game of showdown in my life. But fuck gen 5 Cloyster lmao

@CocktailBoomin 5 ай бұрын

Cloyster and Volcarona is absolutely diabolical work

@melanie735 5 ай бұрын

The Hailraiser (1987) in BW OU

@tripleaxelblaze 5 ай бұрын

thanks for the mention kev, i think these sorts of sash lead abomasnow with some abusers of steel types being worn down are very good. dragons, gyarados, psychics ect. i think with cloy gone its going to be a lot harder to cover for threats like excadrill so i think maybe starmie + gyara could be a good idea. great video, enjoyed the watch. very informative!

@prime3389 5 ай бұрын

I've always loved the dynamic of Abomasnow being the setter of the worst weather but haivng the typing and coverage to completely smash the setters of every other weather, which even includes Groudon and Kyogre

@rjante2236 5 ай бұрын

Ninetales:

@screwtokaiba 5 ай бұрын

@@rjante2236aboma can earthquake

@fulltimeslackerii8229 5 ай бұрын

Doesn’t Groudon outspeed and flame them

@It-Will-All-Be-Okay-I-Promise 5 ай бұрын

@@fulltimeslackerii8229 Agency special scarf grass knot is obvs the best way to go when faced with Groudon sun in OU, trust me my dad works at smogong

@Richard-ec8xy 5 ай бұрын

@@fulltimeslackerii8229yeah but none of them want to switch in on abomasnow

@AediionTV 5 ай бұрын

As a Hail abuser, love seeing Politoed always be scared to reset the weather back to rain

@elitefourant 5 ай бұрын

Hail stall in gen 5 UU was my favorite time 😩❤️‍🩹

@The_Vanni 5 ай бұрын

Psycho comment. Love it.

@usernametaken017 5 ай бұрын

acid rain stall

@Rose-ez7yn 5 ай бұрын

i hear "hey all" at the beginning of the video and double check the youtuber im watching

@majorscrub2856 5 ай бұрын

Hovering 1300-1400 with an ice team in BW OU atm. I'm running a forretress/obamasnow/mamoswine team, with Balloon heatran, Scarf latios, and a jellicent to help round out the team. Choice scarf abomasnow is my major secret tech, it can hit 360 speed with choice scarf, which lets it outspeed pretty much every non-scarfed mon in the meta. I generally try and get it in early for hail, and try and pressure with blizzard against Dragmag HO teams. Or use it as a solid switch into politoad against rain teams to reset hail.

@Resener1 5 ай бұрын

Can you post the paste? This sounds really interesting.

@majorscrub2856 5 ай бұрын

@@Resener1 Abomasnow @ Choice Scarf Ability: Snow Warning EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature - Blizzard - Giga Drain - Hidden Power [Fire] - Ice Shard Forretress @ Leftovers Ability: Overcoat EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def Impish Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Volt Switch - Spikes - Rapid Spin - Stealth Rock Jellicent @ Rocky Helmet Ability: Water Absorb EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD Calm Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Scald - Recover - Will-O-Wisp - Acid Armor Heatran @ Air Balloon Ability: Flash Fire EVs: 16 HP / 244 SpA / 248 Spe Modest Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Lava Plume - Taunt - Earth Power - Substitute Mamoswine @ Life Orb Ability: Thick Fat EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Earthquake - Ice Shard - Icicle Crash - Superpower Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf Ability: Levitate EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Draco Meteor - Psychic - Surf - Trick

@majorscrub2856 5 ай бұрын

@@Resener1 Feel free to play around with it as you wish, obviously. A few things i've noticed. Life-orb on mamoswine beats out choice band when using it as a late-game cleaner, or for early game pressure. Abomasnow's 3rd/4th moves have plenty of space to play around with, main core is spamming blizzard and occasionally giga-drain. Same with latios 3rd slot(Trick and draco meteor are key for disrupting stall and revenge killing respectively). Heatran needs air balloon to counter excadrill, which can really help hold the team together, and stops any HP ground volcarona cheese from sweeping. It's speed amount is also key, so you can throw it into a scizor, outspeeding superpower and getting a knockout that way. But there is definitely room for throwing rocks or other utility moves on it, aslong as you have a reliable fire-type attack. Jellicent can be fucked with a whole lot too, i settled on Acid armor and rocky helmet because i'm fucked in the head, but pretty much any jellicent set is decent, aslong as you can spread status, deny rapid spins, and keep it alive. Jelli and Latios are your key pieces for stopping keldeo from murdering everything else though, and jelli also provides a safe switch into water type attacks which pays off alot into rain teams. Forretress is left holding the bag a little on this team, with no real space for moves without giving stealth rock to heatran or mamo. But feel free to do that if you can find a move worth having on it instead.

@newdonkshitty 5 ай бұрын

the idea to use hail to facilitate chip damage on bulkier teams so you can blow holes in the opponents team with stuff like DDnite or volcarona seems so obvious in hindsight, I'm surprised it took so long

@CoralReaper707 5 ай бұрын

Kinda wish hail had the defense boost to ice types since gen 4 on top of the chip damage.

@rjante2236 5 ай бұрын

I think instead of removing the chip damage, they should have made more types immune to it. Not Water, but maybe something like Normal (even though that makes zero sense)

@CoralReaper707 5 ай бұрын

@rjante2236 Maybe Fighting types could be immune because martial artists do sometimes train in the cold weather.

@iantaakalla8180 4 ай бұрын

They literally illustrate that Marlene trains on Routes 216 and 217.

@Nathan-sy5ff 5 ай бұрын

Love seeing all the Hail discourse, I was a huge fan of hail stall when I started back in gen 4 (not sure I was all that good but made top 100 on the ladder way back when). Probably quite difficult nowadays with so much Clef and Jirachi running around compared to back then, but great nostalgia kick.

@dream_weaver6207 5 ай бұрын

Hail continues to fall (in terms of viability)

@dream_weaver6207 4 ай бұрын

This comment really had a chilly reception

@iantaakalla8180 4 ай бұрын

It is why people now warn about snow as opposed to Hail

@thepunisher6674 5 ай бұрын

This is one hail of a video

@pikminologueraisin2139 5 ай бұрын

now that's weather war

@blargghkip 5 ай бұрын

Oh that's war... that's war of my comfort weather...

@pikminologueraisin2139 5 ай бұрын

@@blargghkip what u blabbin'

@realfishu 5 ай бұрын

How has gen 5 managed to evolve in the span of a year more than it has since b2w2 💀

@BaudshawSky 5 ай бұрын

You missed recording this in actual hail 😢

@thekrampusclaus4148 5 ай бұрын

Garay has nice PMD2 themed nicknames on his team at roughly 26:00

@lafusion6695 5 ай бұрын

6:25 I actually used a lot of Icy Wind Keldeo Rain but I kept losing to teams like that because I missed Icy Wind on Dragonites a lot of times (95% Accuracy).

@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding 5 ай бұрын

Who would have thought that obama would become relevant on gen 5 ou in 2024.

@alozyyy 5 ай бұрын

With Cloyster now banned, how could the HO variant be played?

@CocktailBoomin 5 ай бұрын

Now hail does no damage but at least it gives ice types a defense boost

@pikminologueraisin2139 5 ай бұрын

what the actual f

@noblue72 5 ай бұрын

It should do both smdh gamefreak

@The_Vanni 5 ай бұрын

@@noblue72 the damage was actually bad. Now you can run Ninetails and not have your mons be chipped

@20oxide36 5 ай бұрын

@@The_VanniActually, the hail damage was generally good for Ninetales-A teams because it was one of the only ways to chip boots mons into KO range passively (and considering Ninetales-A is used pretty much exclusively on hyper offense this can be very useful). Also, statistically speaking it generally benefits the Ninetales-A player because it will be in for a turn or two to set up veil while the opponent will usually be subject to the entire 4 turns of chip because the good ices aren't safe switch-ins to Ninetales-A.

@feelsokayman5656 5 ай бұрын

If the GOAT said Hail is S++ tier team building it is S++ tier

@dru3155 5 ай бұрын

Can you play more chill music? The kind you normally go with messes with the relaxed vibe

@zekr0m153 5 ай бұрын

BKC where are you from?

@BKCplaysPokemon 5 ай бұрын

Prague

@zekr0m153 5 ай бұрын

@@BKCplaysPokemon do you speak czech?

@BKCplaysPokemon 5 ай бұрын

I do!

@zekr0m153 5 ай бұрын

Si robis picu! To ma veru prijemne prekvapilo😂. Chcel by som ta pocut rozpravat po cesky lebo tvoja anglictina je top tier. Aj videa su toptier milujem tvoj format dlhych rantov. Je niaka komunita z Ceska/Slovenska? Lebo hram uz skoro rok a neni nas vela. Anyway drz sa len tak dalej a pozdravujem zo slovenska😂🎊💪