Customer IGNORED my ADVICE and chose a $200 repair over a $350 used replacement. What would you do?

There's nothing WRONG with this late 80's Giant Hybrid, but I'd totally take the used replacement option if I was facing a $200 repair to get things back to "good enough for who it's for". But the customer really liked their old bike, so HERE WE GO AGAIN!
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[@bigangus3590]

Tires, tubes and brake pads are just part of the running costs for any bike and shouldn't really factor into the "is it worth fixing" question - any bike used as intended will need those things doing after long enough. To my mind it's absolutely worth keeping a bike like this running, after all - it's good enough for who it's for.

[@khwolter9038]

For the owner, yes. For a shop trying to turn a profit, no. I would have fixed it too, but I'm not trying to make money, just cover my costs ;-)

[@davidp6839]

Exactly. I'd guess most people get a new bike if they want something different or new. If the person likes their bike, then needing a tuneup, tires and tubes is obviously not a reason to just replace it with some other used bike.

[@erikk7643]

Sometimes fixing an old familiar bike feels safer then a new used bike

[@MarvinWestmaas]

I think it is hard to find another bike for only 50-100 euro more then fixing this up, which is worth that investment. Meaning, it has better upgradability then this bike.

[@phililpb]

$200 for a used bike or $350 for a used bike

[@billzielke6798]

The devil you know is better than the one you don’t.

[@dereinzigwahreRichi]

If it feels safer then it is safer. If you don't like it anymore and want something different, go ahead finding another one. Besides that, if it's easily fixable and you like it as it is, why get a new one, what's the motivation?

[@MartinLv-s6u]

A used bike from the bike farm.

[@jameskloer4657]

This channel has inspired me to start riding my old 1995 specialized rockhopper. Thanks for the channel.

[@sempi8159]

Great bike!

[@deeingalaplike]

Cool bike

[@Hurricane2k8]

I can totally understand your customer that wanted to keep that bike. That's a really cool looking frame, the geometry, the color, it's absolutely beautiful. I would want that bike.

[@sempi8159]

Giant from the 90s used great quality tange tubes. Even the low level bikes have some butted tubes. Good choice by the customer

[@williamsjp1000]

I have the giant Inova cross almost the same bike but from about 1991, I just keep putting money in to it and it keeps getting better, it's now got dropbars, sora brifters, a mtb wheelset, and a 1x8 drive train with 40 upfront and 11-40 on the rear, with 32 road tyre's, fender and rack it's the most amazing bike ever. Oh and the purple color is amazing.

[@joshuawilson-b9h]

I think that’s the beauty of owning a bicycle. Bringing back one of your favorite rides only cost $200 to get back in working order? I knew friends in college who would spend more than that on weekend drinks at the club for a girl whose number always seemed to be incorrectly written. My winter bike is a target special Schwinn Loop. But I love how it rides and have tons of miles on it. I do most of the work myself, but have been working tons of hours these last few years. There’s a really cool bike shop in Brooklyn called harvest cyclery that’s staffed by guys you could grab a beer with and do really good work. From an economical standpoint it’s a horrible idea, but from a “hey this is only $200 bucks to get my bike up and running again and it’ll run like new again for thousands of miles as long as I make sure to keep the engine topped off with coffee?”. Easy choice, plus any profit they make is going towards cool guys keeping people’s bikes on the road. As somebody who puts thousands of miles on his bike per year, does that sand paper stuff cut into the life of the rim, or it really doesn’t matter and helps for improved braking? Also, well worth $200 bucks to have my bike made into a video on KZbin. That alone is worth it lol

[@billincolumbia]

the sandpaper is going to shorten the life of the rim. but, most people won't ride enough miles to wear out a rim, even with the sanding.

[@RodMesa-e2t]

I've been fixing and upgrading my old hybrid for 30 years. It's almost a decent bike now. I'm sure I've spent enough to buy two really good bikes, but it's a good fit and as simple as they get. (because v-brakes AND, a shiny metal Dork Disk.)

[@tinycmo]

Bought that exact same bike for 25 at a yard sale. Threw some new tures and a tune up. Rode amazingly well. Gave it to a friend from church. I see it being worth it.

[@rainerunsinn4808]

KZbin says "Hi", back to the BikeFarmer offspring

[@JimmyB_Bikes]

The “money shot” at 9:30 is priceless! 😂😂

[@philhowell4607]

I agree with the customer on this one. Once you finished, the bike was great again and the customer got his beloved bike back and saved $140.00.

[@maximiliangutmann]

"You can own it and I can judge you for that, that is freedom!" GREEEEAAAAATTTT!!! I agree!

[@Mr_Zzzeee]

haha that opening was adorable!

[@billincolumbia]

Thanks for stopping by, Ruby. :) Congrats on 13 years sober, Andy. And Coors is awful.

[@GeorgeKremer-sp2uw]

It does and old wrench twister's heart good to see you take the time to line up the tire label with the stem hole on the rims! For me, that was a sign that the mechanic who had did so cared about their work and made an effort. Good video and keep them coming! Love those snappy brakes!

[@timothytacner4865]

Been sober for a few years. Struggled back and forth for the last 30. I can say that cycling and keeping a tuned bike has helped enormously. I enjoy your videos so much. Thinking of super thanks, wife just lost job. If she found out, might be a little brew-ha-ha.

[@josephawatson]

If it were me I would have wanted my old one I already knew. It doesn't always make sense to work on some of these older bikes but it gives me joy.

[@midorimage]

90s steel hybrids like this make great all purpose bikes.. I have an old Trek Multitrack that I picked up used for $75.. I put a Brooks saddle on it and Nitto Bullhorn bars in it is very nice to ride around town. 700c are much netter than 26 inch wheels. Plan to make upgrades once the parts need it.

[@GNMi79]

I've got a '90s Trek Mountain Track with 26x2.10 tires. Much better than 700c where I live, because of bad roads. Can also go offroad. No suspension fork, but that's fine.

[@JosefMarc]

This one's just for being funny, smart, and show-me-all at the same time. Trucks? Well, it's a culture. I'll buy that book too.

[@bkefrmr]

Thanks hey!!

[@witofthestaircase1]

I always clean wheel bearings, cups & cones before regreasing. Good idea no?

[@obxarms7685]

That's why you do this kind of simple maintenance yourself unless you don't care about the cost. People like their bikes, maybe it was a gift? It's fun to watch your old bike come back to life.

[@lauribleu7558]

That video and its companion were one the first bicycle videos I watched when I started getting back into bicycling. I still continue watching. One of my first bikes was an eggplant-colored Giant that I bought in a university town. I loved it and rode it for years. Then one day it was stolen...from my patio that was right by that same campus.

[@chrisxshock]

Dude really is the Bob Ross of bike repair. No one gave a shit about painting, Bob Ross come along and everyone is painting in their living rooms. No one fixes their bikes. Now, here I am fixing a barbie tricycle thinking I'm the fucking Bike Farmer! Convinced you can make videos about tea kettles and I'd probably watch.

[@stephensaines7100]

I'm late to watching this and to read the comments, but I'm impressed with the near unanimous agreement on fixing it. That says a lot about the future for your local bike shop, and says a lot about peoples' shift in being careful with your money, and careful with your nostalgia and devotion.

[@johnb6084]

The funny thing to me about golf is what my late mom used to say. She called golf clubs "idiot sticks" and would say "hit the ball a mile and fetch it " 😅.

[@garyfleischman7555]

I call it "cow pasture pool"

[@DTRproductions]

When I got in to riding again in adulthood I spent way too much (over £1000) upgrading an old clapped out old road bike which only cost £170. Sure it's a massive waste of money especially when you aren't rolling in dough but when you like a bike the value of it is higher to me than it will ever be to anyone else so why not give it a nice snazzy new paint job and components and show it some love. I will never get my money back and I'll never sell it either. But it makes me happy. Sometimes we do irrational things. When you have something you love rationale goes out the window. Damn best Raleigh airlite you're ever gunna see tho 😄

[@OsmanParvez]

I'm here for the running commentary while you work.

[@jeffreykennedy5956]

Choose to fix my old bike? I bought it. I like it. We have history. I don't want new shit. There's a time and place to replace.

[@bushnut8305]

sometimes a bike has sentimental memories that you just don't want to loose....It is possible to develop a relationship with a machine...just ask Han Solo.

[@tonybelhumer115]

The kids so adorable I had to send a thanks a buy her a taco! Thanks Andy for great videos!

[@Dear_Beloved]

The frame is sweet, no way would i sell that for $40 are you kidding??? Red bike is great for urban areas, it just looks great in that setting and its semi-hi vis for traffic. Matching stem too!! They don't make them like that any more, wow! Steel is real, its our duty to keep them going!

[@Dear_Beloved]

^ Coming from a guy that just put over $500 into my '91 Giant... Its art, not business!

[@MarvinWestmaas]

Cromoly ftw! The compliance in steel vs rigid aluminium especially on a rigid bike without suspension can't be overstated.

[@SprayIgniteBoom]

@Bikefarmer I’m also 14 years sober. I served under a different era in our USAF POL and it bit me later in life when I became a DOD contractor/reservist. (I also live in N.E. Italy 🇮🇹 and am blessed with beautiful Italian roads like the ones you rode on this summer!!)

[@HFVidShotz]

Glad all is well with you and the family. Really enjoy your videos and learning from them all the time.

[@james-p]

"You can own it, and I can judge you for it. That's... freedom." Amen.

[@billzielke6798]

I kept the dork disk on my 80’s Tempo. Put the chain hard into it. With a fair amount of grunting and groaning, I was able to get back rolling and had no damage to the spokes. I’m a believer…

[@johndef5075]

Been using dork discs for years. Decided to take it off my new 12 Speed Xt Epic to save a few grams. Sure enough I laid the bike down slightly bending the derailleur hangar. Next thing I know I'm shifting into the spokes😂 Luckily caught it before it did too much damage.

[@GNMi79]

I just put one on an older bike I bought, which didn't have one. Considering the damage you can possibly cause by going without one, it seemed worth the $4 and a little bit of work to install it.

[@robquinlan1472]

Sober, sarcastic AF, and super into everything about bikes. Same here! If I’m ever up that way, let’s get tacos!

[@miket.220]

I love "dork discs", esp the aluminum ones that you used to see on 70s-80s road bikes. They looked so great on those old bikes, and they should come back.

[@andrewhale2385]

Just wanted to say thank you for your videos! I’ve used a lot of your advice to get my Trek Elance 400D in some great running order and it’s been a lot of fun. Always will come back for the Bob Ross of bikes vibe as well!

[@unconventionalleo]

So happy to have found your channel a couple of weeks ago. It's calming effects are working and the edu-tainment level is high! I've been exploring the archives and digging the new content, too.

[@unconventionalleo]

And I meant to add "Nice Job, Mr. Kefrmr!"

[@dereinzigwahreRichi]

I did the tire massage thing, too. Until I discovered it's much quicker to inflate the new tire to about 1bar and let the shell bump on the ground while rotating. Does a great job of evenly aligning the the tire along the rim and is way more fun and less exhausting. ;⁠-⁠)

[@dereinzigwahreRichi]

Shell was supposed to be wheel. Autocorrect.

[@kovar2344]

That dad laugh at the beginning was so real xD

[@OM-sb2bd]

I love that the dork disc is time yellowed and likely brittle…. 🤟🏻 🔥

[@james-p]

That reminded me - a long time ago a few friends and I piled into a VW Bus and went to the drive-in (of course, we all hid in the back except for the driver so we only paid for one ticket). It was a triple-feature: Convoy, White Line Fever, and High-Ballin'. It was a truckin' extravaganzaaaa!

[@shortydancer]

I look at it as saving 150-200 bucks. If I like the bike why don’t I keep it. Unless the new bike is a *significant* upgrade. It’s also why I prefer to work on my own bike/cars than take them somewhere. I get to save money and learn something.

[@APPOINTEDTIMES]

power washer is amazing. 5$ a pop spray let it sit a very little mess. i just overhauled someones back hub now its feel new. apperciate the uploads..

[@toughbowtietruck]

White Line Fever and Thunder Run are also good trucker movies in my mind.

[@artistlovepeace]

I've had to do this same job on my bike (that I don't really even like riding). Replace both inner tubes and tires. It's the cheapest way to get the bike going... but I'd much rather just get a different bike... but it always comes down to the cost vs. benefits. In my case cost is cheaper... but I gotta do the work.

[@harrynazarian3184]

LoL! Hi Ruby! I can't wait till my daughter is at riding age. It's going to be so fun!

[@mikfitt]

during covid i started biking a little and now i bike everyday i bought my bikes on fbmarketplc i shop around to find the best deal i bought an old hybrid specialized for 100 Canadian great deal not perfect but good enough for who its for. nice upright adjustable handle bars and bought a shwinn nose less saddle i look like a dork but no one cares but i can ride that for ever so comfortable. i enjoy your humor and content keep it up .

[@grumpycyclist3319]

There's room for you to add an "I" to that Nutra sticker. The Giant Nutria bike sounds way cool.

[@hippiebits2071]

😂😂😂😂

[@billincolumbia]

"Nutria" was all I could think of when I saw the name, too.

[@bruceb.5486]

Thanks for today's half-hour of zen!

[@bkefrmr]

Thanks Bruce!

[@tobynor6497]

"The tire preassure should make the tire firm, but with a little give. But what if somebody wants to run tubeless? Then we as ask them politely, yet firmly to leave."

[@jordanevans1956]

Thanks!

[@thomasseymour4190]

Yeah, it’s worth it. Those were new in 91-92 ish when I worked at the local shop as a kid; built and sold plenty of them. Decent steel frame, if you like those old trek hybrids(and you do) it’s every bit as good as those.

[@bicyclerider8218]

Congratulations your 13 yrs of sobriety. I have 39 yrs and miss drinking like I miss have a terrible bike crash. I volunteer at a non-profit that helps repair bicycles in our community at no cost to the individuals. We serviced approximately 1,300 bikes this yrs. The majority of the bikes are rusty river bikes, aka big box store bikes. It keeps us old geezers off the streets.

[@artistlovepeace]

Thank you for being honest. It goes further than anything. Honesty is the best policy always. Just be honest.

[@StevenClarke-zx2ej]

I remember back in the 90s, my cousin gave me a Giant. I think it was a Nutra, but it may have been a Sedona...I gave it to a friend because I owned 2 Bianchi road bikes. I remember that Giant being a pretty good hybrid bike. I have a Shimano wheelset, the kind with the minimal spoke count. It has a dork disc, but it actually makes the rear wheel look real nice, because it's black. It doesn't turn yellow.

[@ropesolo]

@bkefrmr what kind of flooring are you working on? Looks like carpet, but I was wondering since you often spray lubes, cleaners and degreasers. Thanks for the reassurance of enjoying just simple bicycling.

[@SmittyMTB]

Kudos to the background music choice. Very zen!

[@props651]

That Dawn Power Wash has been my go-to for the past few months now. I dont remember what made me use it in the first place. But I remember hitting the cassette on my daughters bike and was blown away.

[@reeceholmes8546]

Am I not entertained!!! thanks Man, I find you funny and Informative, great stuff from Rainy Old England

[@jstar1000]

Pro tip on wheel adjusting, I always, before doing any adjusting, pluck all the spokes to hear the tension and adjust any that are over tight or under tight to get them to sound all the same, then adjust from there. The reason is often you will find a super loose or super tight spoke, the loose is from years of neglect, the tight is from some dork not knowing what they are doing and messing with it. Just an FYI from one old wrench to younger one.

[@4epatterson]

Nice tune-up. Like another person said, they may have an attachment to it. So, they’d rather fix it up and keep it😊

[@dashofawesome64]

Dasty also pretty good. The pink one for just cleaning and the yellow degreaser for heavy stuff.

[@petermorrison680]

glad you straightend the front valve stem lol. :)

[@bkefrmr]

Where’s the 10% tithing to The BikeFarmer that’s what I want to know

[@juneyerr]

I literally just bought a giant innova that is this same exact color frame and build off offerup for $35 off some girl selling her brothers old mtn bikes deff with the $200 lol I fixed mine up with parts from two other bikes I have and took it out for 20mi today great bike!

[@kenellison2137]

Relaxing evening...take gummy sit back and watch Warren Zevon fix bicycles 😂😂😂

[@toddbod94]

Saved themself $150

[@MarvinWestmaas]

Exactly! Why trade this in? Why spend more?

[@glenmorrison8080]

Agreed. I also find myself getting attached to old things, too. I do my regular commute on an old trek older than me.

[@OM-sb2bd]

The bike heart wants what the bike heart wants. 🚴🏻‍♂️❤

[@bkefrmr]

Thanks hey!!

[@user-jv9qz2bu1r]

love seeing a bike rehabbed. The owner is correct - for a loved bike, it is not always about the $$.

[@bubblesezblonde]

Love Ruby's earrings!!! In KC we say '13 years is a BFD!!!' Coors is now and always will be over-rated. It was the beer of choice in Western Kansas. You ain't missing much..

[@matthewgates4130]

High Ballin' ! Great trucking movie!!!

[@wallacegrommet9343]

Bike tire proces have headed for the moon since I got into cycling

[@guardian_ironworks]

With my Surly's, I used to have a $300 bill every time I went In, mainly because I always insisted on a full bike inspection and replacement of any worn parts. That's probably not unreasonable seeing as they're new mid level bikes, however I also went for the same level of maintenance on my 81' Miyata 1000. I have since learned to do 90% of maintenance myself. I still won't service Air suspension forks myself though.

[@james-p]

Agreed about the suspension. I don't touch anything that's under high pressure!

[@ostekuste3646]

I always loved working on late 80s to early 90s bikes when I was a young bike wrench. Hated Wallyworld bikes though.

[@thedognecessities]

Keeping and repairing your stuff is way better than trowing shit out and buy 'new' stuff... The fact people are willing to pay good money for it proves it...

[@geepeerces]

Indeed, Coors was around and as popular on the west coast in the late 1960s as any of the other mass American lagers, it just wasn't available at all east of the Mississippi. Back then, it was just called Coors, but it had the red 'banquet' shield on the label.

[@fishermanmitch1]

Little tip regular dawn and rubbing alcohol, make your own dawn max.

[@schwinnguy]

I used to hate spoke protectors too, cause I used to get lots of wheel builds from overshifts. Usually takes out the rear derailleur too!

[@jackcarter233]

Replacing “high friction areas” like worn brake pads, tires, grips, seat etc is normal business IMO. I love it when I wear tires out and it is time to get new ones! That means I’ve been doing my pedaling job.

[@tdracing13]

You only have to carry your bike home once to grow a fondness for the dork disk 😂

[@FuchsHorst]

25:35 it's not the frame, it's the wheel that needs a bit dishing. Maybe untrue due to the cone adjustment?

[@jstar1000]

Totally worth restoring in my opinion. I'm an old bike wrencher so I would do my usual restore which is stirp everything off the frame that will come off, clean and polish the frame, then one by one clean polish, lube/grease, true each piece as I put it back on and replace all the consumables so when done the bike is as good as it can be then ride the snot out of it.

[@bkefrmr]

I’m sorry, but the position you’ve applied for has been filled by a more qualified candidate. Cool hobby though!

[@jstar1000]

@@bkefrmr I'm pretty much retired, don't want no stinking position other then the riding position lol. My point really was for the hobbyist doing it for themselves on their own bike, do it all the way since its yours and your not paying for labor. The way you do it makes sense for a bike shop due to the time constraint, its not feasible for you to do it my way as most people wont be willing to pay you enough typically so you have to cut corners which I totally get and as you say, with your way, "its good enough for who its for" and they are happy with the results which is what matters and you make money and can ride, golf, play guitar and make more vids.

[@ClintDowd]

Banquet was around! LoL. I've said it before but I'm sober too.... I drank everything! 😅

[@bkefrmr]

The HighLife of the West I presume

[@ClintDowd]

@@bkefrmr that's probably right.

[@johnhufnagel]

I bought some of that power wash a while back, and have yet to use it on the bikes. I did use it on something of the wife's that had some kind of nasty greasy goo on it, and I was going to attack it with some of my other "harsher" degreasing chemicals (think, automotive... the kind that'll damn near peel your skin off) but decided to give the power wash a test. well son of a monkey it worked amazingly well. I was impressed. and yes P&G, I bought it because of BikeFarmer... so sponsor his tubes already :D

[@travisfinucane]

Value of the tune+tires is you know you just paid for a thorough inspection. You're buying somebody else's problems if you buy a used bike blind.

[@andyzacek9760]

Man I run into this all the time... Just this week I checked in a clapped out 90s diamondback roadbike for a $500 complete overhaul. I managed to extract the stuck seatpost, but the non-driveside BB cup has resisted heat, cold, chemicals, impact, force, cutting... and is now so thoroughly mangled that the old BB cannot be reassembled. So basically, the guy agreed to pay $500 for a fully restored bike, but instead his bike is now destroyed for FREE!

[@billincolumbia]

Are you turning it the right direction?

[@Cnw7897]

Damn gotta replace that rim tape on the first wheel! Half of the spokes weren't even covered!

[@bkefrmr]

OMGGGGGGG! (I did relax)

[@Cnw7897]

@@bkefrmr lol nice, love the vids comment was not meant to seem like I was calling u out sorry man

[@IdahoFatTireBikeFun]

YES, in almost all cases an equal cost in a bicycle mechanic doing a repair or upgrade on my existing bikes is much better than buying a new to me bike. However, I let my bike mechanic have my blessing to do whatever he thinks I need to my 🚲 and I will pay for it. Bike mechanics are sort of like artists. Don't lean over Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci's shoulders and tell him how to paint. Hand him money and tell him to paint, the customer (me), goes away, comes back when the rolling art is done, and I appreciate art daily. If I bring my beloved bikes into the local bike shop in a couple of buckets, I expect that my local bike shop mechanic will make a beautiful Frankenstein monster out of my broken bike parts, providing that I give him enough money, encouragement, and time. Caleb, at Dave's Bike Shop in Idaho Falls took our daughter's old but very well designed, and rarely ever used, steel frame mountain bike that she outgrew, put drop bars on the front, a rack on the back, and now my wife is 3.5 mph FASTER than she was on our daughter's carbon fiber race bike! He was apologetic about the costs but the Mullet Bike (business up front and party in the rear) has transformed my wife's cycling and outlook! She zips around like a toddler on a triple espresso who is chasing a golden retriever puppy! She's FAST and pedals farther without pain! Yesterday she pedaled 41 miles, which is almost TWICE her previous distance record! NO bike off the shelf would do this. Only a local bike shop mechanic could make this functional work of art. She did crash it hard yesterday at mile 41, and it's back in the shop as of yesterday, but I will happily keep my local bike shop owner in business repairing and upgrading our old bikes rather than gambling on a new bike. YES, bring in your old bike, tell your local bike shop mechanic to have the freedom to make art, and appreciate art!

[@MickJabber]

Andy, don’t forget Breaker! Breaker! with Chuck Norris

[@GrigoryRechistov]

If one is too poor to allow subscriptions, there is always a good old way of the high waves. And on the topic of KZbin advertisement - there are popular browser addons that make ads disappear. Installing an ad blocker is the first thing to be done after opening a fresh browser on a new computer.

[@markbrophy1276]

Hello Bike Farmer. In my old age I am using tubless tyres now that I have started biking again. In the 70s I remember finding bubbles in my older tubes. They used to bubble out in places and over time it would damage the tyres and the steel ring would separate from the tyres. Have tubes improved to the point where they dont bubble so one can use older tubes? Or were my tubes so old that they were useless anyway? Mark

[@stevenwilliams7845]

Oh, and another thing that Bike looks practically brand new, I mean it’s like you say it’s good enough for who it’s for👍💯

[@GNMi79]

To me, that always sounds like a put-down of his customers. It's like "Meh, it's not the greatest job, but it's good enough for the guy who owns this bike." Regreasing the wheel bearings without removing them from the hub, for instance, seems pretty half-ass.

[@AWBabbage]

@@GNMi79Worse, not even putting fresh grease in the drive side bearing. So the customer pays $200 for a tune up and doesn’t know his hubs are going to be ruined soon.

[@philipbyrne3037]

I appreciate your work. You’re crazy brave to reveal your true self. I think I’ll just go and change the filter on my latest meaninglessness Instagram post!❤️

[@pascalbruyere7108]

It would have been nice to get a look at the $350 alternative.

[@liljuz1981]

always worth it to fix the old bike

[@M0H06P0Bb]

100$ labor for dust wiping, few oil drops and minor wheels & brakes adjustment… I live in a wrong place 🤦‍♂️😂

[@jasonhochman3750]

Scrap a bike for tires, tubes, and brake pads? That's crazy. But I would do all that myself.

[@andyjsmallwood]

Are we missing something here? Every bike will need new tyres, tubes, brake pads and some lubing at some point in it's life. And the outlay will be the same whether these things are replaced at the time that they need replacing, or all in one go as Andy is doing here. It will just seem a little expensive all at once. But if this dude took the option of taking Andy's 40 bucks and spent 350 bucks on a used bike, guess what it will need in the future?

[@jpg0927]

In the mid 70s, I tore down my Gitane road bike without the benefit of bike specific tools, although I did have a set of cone wrenches. I used whatever grease was laying around. The result made me less than happy. I took it to a one-man LBS &, in less than an hour, he fixed all the mistakes it took me 3 days to make. I wish I'd held on to that bike. What happened to it is a mystery.