BLA flags 'double standards' on Hlophe's JSC appointment

Black Lawyers Association president Nkosana Mvundlela says he finds it unacceptable that the election of Dr John Hlophe to the Judicial Service Commission is being questioned whereas his appointment to Parliament was never questioned.
Mvundlela says it was Parliament, through its processes, that chose Hlophe and it is unfair for people to question this.
Tune into Newzroom Afrika DStv channel 405 for more.

[@manayesh]

They're scared of Hlophe's PhD.

[@RazoMarazo]

They didn't say anything when the parliament appointed unqualified ppl in the position

[@Mimis.Dairy__]

So much scared of him and only white monopoly capital. What are they protecting? Only whites interests.

[@nathanagnew9167]

Scared of his PHD? 😂 Afrikaners did heart ❤️ trans plant before your dada was born 😂😂 and we have bragging rights because it was the 1st in the world 😅💪🏻 We are next LvL 😂

[@katoleeric4454]

😂😢 journalist of this country is becoming politician

[@sbudasbu2816]

They are DA and ANC

[@garudzoziyaduma6137]

This how media begins to walk on the path to polarization. Slowly but surely getting there. The end result is that pipo wl have other avenues to get balanced information

[@sjaymabaso9391]

They are politicians

[@mvubu6823]

They are legitimate questions

[@lufefekalipa580]

A Journalist of GNU.

[@mchunubheki9377]

Well answered questions omalume, even when put in a corner you still address it professionally..

[@tebogoteka7791]

Is it moral for apartheid apologist to sit in parliament committees? The double standards for media is so shocking, when it suits them is about morality and when it doesn't they tell us the voters have decided. Shocking.

[@nivob4076]

Yes it moral.

[@hendricklukhele4319]

They think we need their advices to make our own decisions that represents us. DA brought an uneducated executive but we still accept him because he was chosen by his own party.

[@rthare1]

Name one Apartheid apologist, or be quiet?

[@garudzoziyaduma6137]

U can say that again

[@tebogoteka7791]

@@rthare1 FF+ leader for one. And who do you think you are to tell me to be quiet

[@rashiedameer2780]

I concur Dr Holpe is entitled to sit on the JSC

[@CynthiaandRichard.]

The journalist is one-sided but the guest is sharp and very correct to tell the haters that everything is in accordance with the constitution which they seem to protect now and there. Judge Hlope was never fund guilty in any court of the law, so he is not guilty at all. Mr Nkosana you are great

[@leonarddonga5280]

BLA president knows who he really is and am glad he stood his ground. The country is runned through a constitution not feelings

[@bonganidumisa1458]

He served him right, this SABC guy is very arrogant he always brings "Know it all" mentality. He is not a good listener

[@Magutshwa-CONSPIRACY_THEORIST]

Stephen you should have interviewed yourself because you wand Mr Mvundlela to answer as you wish...I will forever saying this "mainstream media we are so bored and disgusted by you still pushing your propagandas just to ensure the status core remains, not again guys, only the few blacks who still don't use their brain but one of mainstream media" I REPEAT NEVER AGAIN!!!!

[@cheznone9296]

Your diatribe needs consultation……. Can’t understand a fkn word.

[@bonganidumisa1458]

This Mr Know it all" still carries White supremacy mentality as if he owns SABC, very disruptive

[@mxolisizuma2511]

Stephen if you have asked such questions about your apartheid MP's that are serving in our parliament i was going to take you serious with your ethics. You guys knows ethics better when it comes to real South Africans (block people). .

[@suesykes6798]

Oh "Our Parliment" Hmmm interesting! So what are Real South Africans? Yes you said it "Block People" True BLOCK HEADS. 😂

[@thulani01]

Thank you BLA, you real understanding the laws, currently on doing the excellent job, I personal, Salute you...

[@kgosisimanyana]

Yet settlers are in parliament 😂

[@not.likely]

Racists run the country

[@mtetelelimrwetyana2002]

The season of haters and fake masters is over

[@mphomangole3768]

A black man is a black man, he will break the same rules over and over again he won't get arrested

[@ndubanesol111]

Salute to you my leadership, i am well represented in you leader. Chest pain from Ruperts son in Steven the planted defenders of apartheid

[@annalexander7722]

🙄

[@sifisocyprianshezi3824]

I like that and this is how we gonna crush this bias media

[@tumelophuthi1418]

Is it morally right for Ramaphosa to continue as President of the Republic in spite of the phala phala saga?

[@nanakhoza2322]

This journalist is trying very hard to persecute the judge!

[@bonganidumisa1458]

That's his attitude you listen to SAFM 6-9am, he claims to know everything. He's boring I'm told he's leaving in a week or so

[@amosndabeni934]

Wow I salute you baba answered every question very well and In a professional manner 🙏

[@Rooihuiskraal_]

Steven has nailed his colours to the mast. He gets pained by anything MKP

[@user-ep2pm9bz5w]

Dr John Hlophe ❤❤ well educated black man😂😂

[@Sp8e]

just here to listen to what stupid questions this interviewer will ask today.

[@boity-fromthemilkygalaxy2504]

Wow bro really? He was asking some brilliant questions. You hated before you even watched. Not cool.

[@gayliaxoli8833]

Really stupid 😢

[@Tsebomjiks9789]

@@boity-fromthemilkygalaxy2504 This country is hugely divided, so whatever questions he asks and whether they are sound or not biased or not, it all depends on which side you belong in this divided South Africa.

[@boity-fromthemilkygalaxy2504]

@@Tsebomjiks9789 that’s absolutely true. And we should refrain from that because it influences our perspective. I know it’s hard to be neutral as we always inherently want to choose a side but we shouldn’t be extremist to a point we can’t be rational and see things for what they are because of our internal bias.

[@sihonco]

… since when are the affairs of parliament governed by (subjective) morals?

[@thecombo4946]

Man thank you for such a great 'teaching' , someone has learnt something for free. Done and dusted. Viva John Hlope 🕺

[@makhosazanemweli]

Viva Hlophe,viva Ntumbeza

[@nanakhoza2322]

Please Stephen, give us break!

[@YT-xk5jl]

Begging him because he is a Boer. If this were someone like Xoli would you beg him or add that please there? Mxm

[@NaipendaAfrika]

Cyril and Stephen can't take away his PhD.

[@vuyanipeter4627]

Racist Steven Grot What What

[@malvinkennethbaloyi2178]

Are Julius Malema and others judges? As he is also appointed to be a member of JSC.

[@MandlekosiDube]

So that's how you think of our leaders. Ramaphosa is a president & money millions were found at phala phala & he is still a president.

[@sharontarin1310]

Yes anybody that has legal cases against him/her should be locked up, including Zuma.

[@matthewdube9237]

Ramaphosa was not legal charged but us to moral that he is the president of the nation with the Phala Phala saga? Please give us a break!

[@ThabisoMkhize-z9e]

I like how he responds, fair enough to these offensive questions towards Hlophe 😂😂 with an open mind!!

[@gundotshishonga9578]

Unethical people deciding what is ethical and unethical was what brought us here to begin with. Tainted as they are, they're still presiding on matters of ethical conduct. one of those was acting hollier than thou as speaker of the national assembly, she fell on her sword. These Newzroom journos are so vindicated about a lot of political issues and can no longer do their work impartially. our media is being managed somewhere from a couch. Leave Thumbeza alone he can't just accept that he obtained his education to be fucked by the system. Never

[@cheznone9296]

Why y’all so touchy??? Why can’t you’ll accept your birthright and stop making victims of yourselves. As long as you keep allowing apartheid to continue to rule your lives - nothing is going to change. If you can’t live in a multicultural society then you are doomed to a life of poverty and want. South Africa might be richest land mass in Africa but unless the outside world does trade with the country you will be sitting on the riches hoping they will hatch. Get over your racism because you need China, Russia, America , UK which make up a lot of white coloured skins. You want to live in filth and shacks and have no schools or hospitals or roads or water and plenty of disease and crime then please feel free stay a victim and keep blaming something that was aborted 30 years ago, that children now learn about in history - but kept alive - front and centre - by bitterness that too has not been experienced - and enforced - so that children grow up feeling inferior, because their parents teach them they are. They are a great source of income for drug dealers and sex trafficker because they BELIEVE they don’t matter. No one has countered Thumbeza’s education. Education in all its form’s counts - life experience counts - you can have the most menial job and still encourage your children to achieve. No one is out there wanting to pull them down, only you can do that by teaching them to be victims, by abusing them, by not loving them enough to teach them there is no white boogey man who is going to make sure they do not succeed. That my friend is your choice, don’t damage the young.

[@battler544]

Im dumb struck at the stupidity of his reasoning.

[@capricorn1298]

What is wrong with judge hlope being part of the JSC? What part of the constitution prevents him from being there? I know for sure that judge hlope will have more brains and ability than all the politicians sitting there.

[@tamara40]

None zero 😅😅

[@gailallwn8400]

Do you understand M O R A L S!!!@!

[@capricorn1298]

Three quarters of parliament do not have morals...

[@phelelanimafuleka3854]

​@@gailallwn8400Morals must reign supreme over the Constitution and principle of the law.😂😂

[@katoleeric4454]

Salute my leadership 🙌 🎉

[@siyandathabede4382]

Morals are subjective 😅. Nkosana Mcundlela is clued up. These people change goalposts. One moment, they praise the constitution the next not so much.

[@clublength724]

Any thing that is not explicitly prohibited law is not unlawful. Stephen you should then be asking if it's moral for him to be a member of Parliament. You knew all along that he's an MP and you never raised this "moral" question.

[@daniegreyvenstein6120]

GAV IS ONE BIG JOKE

[@nxumalonkululeko4198]

Hands off Dr Hlophe

[@EdmundWilliamWessels]

Jesse of the ANC said they need to change the judiciary and now it's happening. ANC and MKP is still one.

[@abrahmbore9328]

Hello there The matter is in appeal,and the issue of morality is part of the appeal. The voting for an issue that is on appeal was unlawful by itself. Currently,there are judicial service standard on morality, we cannot develop service standard based in ' Hitting the ground running' The citizen are,entitled to know upfront what services to expect

[@katematlamela2332]

chest pain's 😅

[@MncediMbambani]

Who is the criminal?Are you you telling us in parables that you are number one "MGULUKUDU weSIGEBENGA "esinomona zi-academic qualifications zika Dr.Hlophe?

[@mfanakithi2002]

No this fellow is quite sharp. Much respect

[@ImaanPule-ny4dx]

Well said

[@lehlohonolotsoeute775]

Stephen is now an opinionated hired agent.

[@ntombinyathikazi6438]

@@lehlohonolotsoeute775 Domkop Stephen

[@mandilake5560]

Stephen tried shem but failed. He should just go and join his compadreds in DA or VF+🤦🏽‍♂️ He's trying hard shem

[@NdamuleloMatenzheAttorneys]

Lol the final remarks by Steven are out of this planet 😂😂

[@Ginger4789]

When the law suits them very selective 😢😢😢😢😢

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

Imagine having a discredited judge in such a position ? But then we have a discredited president leading a political party. Birds of a feather and all that.

[@BanyanaSeletswane]

Discredited on who's discretion kangaroo gangs driven by hatred.

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

@@BanyanaSeletswane Discredited by the entire judiciary.

[@sharontarin1310]

💯

[@NokuthulaKhumalo-sb2le]

That is why they discredited all black excellence from Dr Hlophe Mkhwebane Koko Brain and others how many whites in there none now we left with Mbalula it's not going to work Dr Hlophe his in there JSC halala

[@musawenkosifriedman961]

Don't forget a whole minister of Agriculture, a basket of bread for a country, with only a matric😅

[@Tiffany4Jesus1]

You fetched Steef Grootes, Welldone BLA

[@annalexander7722]

Tf 🙄

[@nonjikocyril4274]

​@@annalexander7722Yaaaaah they ate him up and left no crumbs, he started stuttering,having nervous laughs,he was exposed of being a journalist/politician all at once.

[@Rooihuiskraal_]

Steven tried shem.

[@anthonsaays6714]

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction," Blaise Pascal.

[@donaldchikudo1521]

Stephen is DA and FF+'s spokesperson not a journalist

[@stephenmzimkhulimolatudi3029]

What is wrong with this white people Hlope has the right to be there. They were signing Ramaphosa must resign because of phalaphala now because they work with him they are not saying anything

[@lahlichauke8335]

i dont like hlophe bt there is ntn preventing him from being in dat body

[@sandilemntungwa1538]

Care to share why you don't like Hlophe?

[@senzomthembu261]

Was it ethical 4 DA 2 sign an agreement dt says they'll nvr raise Phalaphala issue,was it ethical 4 DA,IFP,NFP,ANC 2 form a coalition against a majority party in KZN but at d sametime ANC,DA r believing dt a party with majority votes must lead negotiations in GP n in National level.Is it ethical 4 d parliament n d entire country 2 b led by some1 who admitted d Phalaphala allegations.Double standard z killing this country.

[@karllethu]

THIS BOERRRRRRRR IS SEATING IN WRONG BAAK LET HIM GO AND LOOK AFTER VARK HE WILL UNDERSTAND PLAAS BETER

[@lebo3130]

corupt people protecting each other

[@user-md5ux8cj5w]

Former Chief Justice Mogoeng Mogoeng once said and I quote " we should stop this notion that corruption only happens in public sector" yes he was right, corruption happens in all sectors, but the only difference is that private sector is not scrutinised like the public sector.

[@srininaidoo]

Dr John Hlope is not the chief whip of MK. He has every Right to be in the JSC.

[@srininaidoo]

Right and wrong. Hlope was wronged when Cyril impeached him. Dr Hlope is a man of High morals and integrity.

[@siphesihletom4933]

A great example of something which is morally controversial but legally permissible is the right of women to terminate their pregnancy. Undoubtedly there are many people who hold opposing views on abortion based on their moral grounds, however since the constitution guarantees reproduction rights we need to respect that, whether or not we agree with it based on morals.

[@vusimkhabela5670]

You can never be as confused as Stephen Grootes and it's quite sickening to say the least. When most of us questioned the ethics and the morality of sending an 80 year old Pres Zuma to jail in the eight of covid and in the dead of winter, he (Stephen Grootes) was the one who kept saying, "the law is the law and we must respect the constitution." Today, the same man is saying "not everything is legal, some things are either right or wrong". I am so glad I will no longer have to bear listening to his bias on SA FM every morning. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

[@musawenkosifriedman961]

"Never mind the law" what a joke😂

[@Nomdz]

Hes powerful hes just one person & they r scared of him. Just one amongst the 20 & hes has not even started

[@mfunekonomvalo6]

Dr Hlophe is not going to JSC as a Judge, his going there as MP..pple should not confuse the two

[@fabinasetati8736]

Thank you sir. You are a real gentleman...

[@AnneliedeWet]

Some lawyers are just slow. He will make a good salesman.

[@lebo3130]

first off, Dr Hlophe was not voted into parliament, he became the leader of MK after the election.

[@n.a.n.a4360]

He became the leader of MK after the election because ppl have voted MK to Parliament

[@lebo3130]

@@n.a.n.a4360 that still doesnt mean the people voted for him, they voted for zuma

[@mxolisizuma2511]

​@@lebo3130and those people who voted Jacob Zuma trusted knew very well that Zuma will do what is best for abantu abamnyama and im one of those who voted and we MK members are happy with with Zumas decisions on appointing Hlophe

[@samukeloduma7978]

people voted for MKP of which Dr Hlophe is member of​@@lebo3130

[@NokuthulaKhumalo-sb2le]

​@@lebo3130what's your point he can't represent at the JSC becourse people voted Zuma please shift you don't know what you talking about

[@shawnberry6110]

Ask yourself. If he were Whyte would the Black Lawyers Association support him?

[@Qotha]

Black people have never been vengeful that is why they have accepted parties that voted against the abolishing of apartheid to be in the democratic parliament till today

[@DonMagawula]

Nah but Afri forum would!!!

[@user-fh3oc5ij3s]

ask yourself if he was white would the tracist freedom under law objected to him.

[@hendricklukhele4319]

It cannot be seen as a problem if people choose who they vote for. If they decide to vote for white lawyer we will accept it.

[@fizzille3035]

There’s whites in the JSC from parliament

[@Maqhwe]

It's is the will of the constitution that Judge Dr. Hlophe goes to JSC committee therefore is the right thing.lets get used to it sorry shame to the hypocrites

[@user-fi4px5mz1l]

Morality and the law are selectively and seldom aligned. That's a fact.

[@ShawnRademeyer]

Correct question: Should Hlophe and other questionable individuals be in parliament? Frankly, NO!!

[@katematlamela2332]

Exactly u trust him in one place and on the other place u don't😅😅 chest pain's

[@user-gz7cb5ew4p]

Mischievous and irrelevant question to ask if it is right for a former judge to serve on the JSC. He is Dr Hlophe and not former judge, he's appointed to the JSC as a public representative and not as a judge. Should we vet all those JSC commissioners for their ethical and moral uprightness before they can serve on the JSC?

[@01090809]

Thought it was clarified that his not a Chief Whip but Party Leader in Parly

[@UTU-v9o]

One of the best leaders in the legal professio, well argued and articulated President

[@sifisomokoena9162]

Morality is subjective, the law is Supreme in SA. Who's Morality? Am sure if Stephen has some views that are based on the law rather my own moral view

[@not.likely]

A leopard doesn't change its spots. Hlope will assault someone in the JSE. Mundella's true colours came through, he can't be any different

[@Magashu214]

This is sad, we have a minister who was a commander of the apartheid army but no one is saying this is morally incorrect 😢 we have apartheid apologist as members of apartheid. Come on, the courts should be above this politicking

[@mrm7505]

So the moral aptitude of the present parliament is other than its predecessor, which calls into question the conduct which the predecessor engaged in and seemingly the electorate have by electing the instant parliament rejected the impeachment.

[@WilliamMcera]

Morals cannot supercede the Law......

[@raphaelmotloung]

I like this principle of morality, maybe the morality should be applied to land ownership

[@mduduzithabede1999]

I don’t think morality or morals should be used as a yardstick here, only ethical values or ethical conduct should be a determining factor as to whether one may sit on the JSC panel.

[@Tsebomjiks9789]

The same Steven did concede and said, " I am sorry..." (see KZbin clip titled 'Steve Motale speaks about why he apologised to Pres. Zuma against ZUMA'). He was was unethical and immoral to do that BUT he is still a journalist today. Why others cannot be allowed while he (Steve) is still being allowed to serve the public?

[@gayliaxoli8833]

News Aftica is very selective and against blacks😢😢

[@sbusisoshelembe8367]

Nevermind the law 😂😂😂 Are you hearing yourself Sir...

[@celumusazikhali7040]

South African law have eyes this is a joke

[@Selwyn-c1i]

Is THERE. ANYTHING ABOUT BLACK AFRICANS THAT IS LEGAL AND NOT CORRUPT????

[@paulisidore6639]

Don't generalise because everyone has an opinion in this world.

[@zeemavatha9115]

For me it says a lot about ubabHlophe’s character

[@stefaneisaac2754]

Is the impeachment of an individual equals to a criminal record that finds such persons not legible to hold political office in parliament as mandated by his party therefore when they (MKP) was campaigning with Zuma as it's president they had the same problem but Zuma was defeated in court due to the constitutional court ruling on that crime. I have a question in mind 🤔, is Dr. Hlophe a criminal? Is he not fit to hold any office as mandated by his party? Why others are better than others yet they have been found to have transgressed their oath of office?

[@harveyfuqua6633]

This is the same body that was very quiet when Zuma was running amok. They don't represent me.

[@AnoKings]

Well spoken

[@Itssophie277]

Dr Hlope is here to stay

[@davezungu5454]

The kangaroos also have a court. That court is media with arbitrary principles, which are applied arbitrarily.

[@archieklaas9484]

So BLA says that we do not need moral standards? Interesting stand point!

[@MBReader410]

ANC position on this is weak, wrong in principle, and a major strategic error.

[@TheAssociateChannel]

Double Standards on John Hlophe

[@thozamilezee]

IS IT MORAL TO BEÇOME A MINISTER WITH JUST A MERE MATRIC.....IT THAT MORAL.. GOING TO OVERSEE WORK OF PPL THAT WAY MORE QUALIFIED THAN U URSELF WITH NO EXPERIENCE IN THAT FIELD

[@khaltsharivist365]

There is the Letter of the law vs spirit of the law. In the JSC he will be 1 of 23 & in Parliament only 1 of 400 so the power and influence dynamic is different, Nkosana is not comparing like for like. If someone has been convicted of embezzlement & has done their time, 5yrs after their criminal sentence was completed they can be elected as an MP. According to the letter of the law they can serve in any capacity including to be in charge of the Treasury. Such a person can contribute meaningfully in many areas but It will be poor judgement to put them in charge of public funds. Nkosana hit it on the head that Parliament reflects the moral attitude of the voter. You can create all sorts of laws to anticipate all sorts of scenarios but ultimately it’s the voter who decides who they send to parliament. If voters decide they want a Drake for example to be in charge of a pre-school then it is what it is.

[@ZuzumziNgubo]

Hay anisiyeke nababuya ejele balapho anisiyeke.

[@thysm100]

Chase him (Hlophe) away, South Africans are sick and tired of these individuals who tries to cover for these corrupt people, that is why South Africa is what it is. Black Lawyers Association president Nkosana Mvundlela PLEASE TAKE NOTE BABA

[@nkolisa8337]

A teacher caught selling Matric Certificates, was dismissed and her qualifications were revoked later can she's be appointed as National Exam Board to monitor Matric Exams

[@thobanigumedemargin4372]

Somethings a re right or wrong not legal or illegal ❤i love that