Black Conversations S2 Ep2 Black Spirituality 2

[@NdumisoSumo]

May God increase Ousi Rorisang❤ what a Gift she is

[@snethembamaseko7603]

lol

[@temososelelepoo2744]

You may be joking

[@GMOB_Fresh]

Respect to Rori, she found the balance of standing her ground without stepping or talking down on anyone. Big up sisi💯❤️

[@Uayandaaa]

Rorisang was so respectful 🥵❤️

[@thabonale6819]

This was great. One needs emotional maturity to participate in such debates, and the humility to be teachable - learn and unlearn.

[@davidchigumira4166]

Cognitive bias leached into the debate....debaters ought to possess knowledgeable attitude

[@sandisoparkies8268]

Maponga you nailed it baba👏 and Jackie is pissed off 😂

[@oneaccordsa484]

He didn’t nail anything , he thinks he knows more than everyone, udakiwe lo

[@ditebogo_damson]

I love how Ousi Rorisang sticks to her word❤️✝️may God bless her and give her strength

[@siverafuza8398]

She's ignorant and a coconut. She couldn't even deal with the facts Maponga J was dropping.

[@ThulanimMabaso]

But still she failed to answer that KO question, whats a use of making noise if you can't answer important questions?

[@ditebogo_damson]

@user-tk8vm4kx6y So according to you, she was making noise👀honestly I don't see it in that way, as people, we have different beliefs, and some questions are not meant to be asked, save them for Heaven

[@FavouriteMagadzire]

These are loud mouths who pretend to be woke and think everything is a competition

[@jamesmulei5951]

The unapologetic J. Maponga,😂😂😂😂😂😂 I love you my brother

[@anastasimankesemokgobu1724]

I like Rorisang and the fact that she acknowledges that Christians have acted superior for a very long time, which has actually pushed people far away from God. But now that we are preaching the gospel without bashing any religion, it does make sense for a lot of people. "I have never said you are crazy for speaking to dead people"

[@MpumiHleza-e3z]

"I never said you're crazy for speaking to dead people" lol that killed me😂this is why I love her❤

[@collinsmolapo9992]

This ppl where not ready for truth ❤MR MAPONGA

[@mzwaneledlamini2053]

Lol Dr Joshua Maphonga was STANDING ON BUSINESS 🤣🤣🤣✊🏿

[@leratokeitumetsemontshusi2981]

Rorisang is very wise❤️❤️ at no point she has insulted or intimidated any of them to get the message across!!

[@thembelaloliwe7866]

Wise but immature 🙄

[@motsetau9765]

i totally agree with you but her interrupting Maponga's point interrupted us from learning a thing or two

[@kamvamgwaza7142]

She was only speaking English from private school. 90% of what she said was based on ignorance, and she was emotional and couldn't tolerate facts throughout the entire show.

[@Anti-IsraeliteDefamationLeague]

*Insult & Intimidation is LITERALLY how Christianity replaced our Heritage. Perhaps these tools should be wielded and not shunned?*

[@jerrymagqadaza3648]

I had to disagree with u on that one there's nothing wise for her points, and remember listening is a skill

[@nhlakaniphophakathi1258]

Wow, Bishop Joshua Maphunga is a true African, not a coconut.

[@MpumiHleza-e3z]

Who's a coconut kanti?😮

[@thomas33872]

I'm going to say this once and I hope you hear me twice. Yoh. Ntate Maponga. You are a true African Teacher.

[@SikelelwaKwinana]

i respect and adore Rori...graceful, and well articulated and she stayed true to her personal encounter with Christ, and didn't allow other ppl to sway her despite her limited knowledge of African spirituality ( that she noted herself, which was very mature). I love her and i want to start following her..

[@BridgetMabusela-d4m]

I love you rori to stand up for you God and only God, My the good God increase and bless you

[@SuccessLink0]

high this conversation needs a mature person who does not take things by the heart coz wow, ..never the less, i love Maponga

[@tumimoses9766]

lol maponga is the one whos taking things by the heart

[@21kd]

After listening to this debate again again i understand that what Joshua maponga said is the real truth but people don't understand it .sad reality By the way m from northeast India (naga tribe) Thank you maponga for your wisdom 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@AyandaIris]

Rory Rory Wow may God give you more intelligent very Proud of You ❤kego Rata Lerato la love

[@K.mbambo]

This conversation was very emotional and personal . People did things to each other in the past 😂😂

[@anastasimankesemokgobu1724]

That's what I am picking up

[@fariekays3851]

Not Maponga saying l won't use big words and gave a long list of the big words😂😂😂

[@MsTAmazing]

but he didn't use big words unless I'm confused on what is considered "big words"

[@DesignerNb-f6m]

Maponga 🙏🏾 thank you for the truth even though you were interrupted , you have wisdom.

[@devon_claude_4636]

Solomon is shaking 😂😂..

[@gizmo_kzn3097]

Mr Joshua Maponga smoked all of them. Dr. Khehlelezi of course shared the same sentiments as him. It was not an intellectual conversation because they couldn't actually back up what they say so they started involving their emotions. There's a point where the host spoke for over 1 minute, just, ranting. I know because I was skipping through it. I feel bad for the people who were watching on TV... They had to just eat it.🤣🤣🤣

[@ntandonkosi8115]

REAL

[@oneaccordsa484]

He didn’t

[@mbalizanelekhanye921]

Rori for Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Letukile]

I'm also wondering what the whole point of the show is if the people who don't know about African spirituality are not willing to listen?

[@comicverselaughs]

maponga is a legend,he got the ladies emotional cause of his knowledge

[@Uayandaaa]

I despise the concept that when women defend their case its regarded as being emotional, Maponga went on and on with Solomon nobody regarded that as emotional. Indeed the patriarchal system needs to be dimished yeses.

[@ntshuxekopreciousshitlhang8672]

These ladies need to read more and feed their knowledge, it's embarrassing to be destroyed by 1 person

[@NaMkhonto]

So the other Christian guy knows better than the ladies?

[@oneaccordsa484]

Joshua akazi lutho udakiwe nje naye udakiwe , Rori umhlulile uJoshua 😂

[@COD_DMZ9]

Grown people failed listening to understand. J. MAPONGA I STILL FOLLOW 🕯✅️🗿

[@tlhompholouiso672]

I think this is a matter of "staying in your lane" if you believe in something and it works for you. Stay there, don't castigate what others believe in.

[@saidey28]

You said it right!!!!!!! OMW

[@Natalie_574]

I bless God for Rorisang's life.....❤❤❤❤Much love for you Rorisang❤❤

[@kamvamgwaza7142]

Maponga was in a roomful of ignorance. Jackie Phamotse had no input. Don't understand why she was invited. Rorisang was speaking English from private school. 95% of what she said was ignorance. Solomon found out. Doctor Khehlelezi had so much input that Jackie and Rorisang but language barrier made these two undermine him. Rorisang and Jackie are emos and could not withstand facts put forward by Maponga that's why they rely on their feelings to win the viewers.

[@BlackYakub]

True

[@NothandoZulu-q3w]

These are the convos we should be having not what we having at the moment. Respecting each others believes

[@FafiMatsenjwa]

One needs to pursue academic intelligence without neglecting spiritual anointing. It should be balanced Dr. The fact that u are against Christianity is because u know how powerful it is. And u are a man of influence. i pray that Jesus may come to u the way he came to Paul. I pray that u become the Paul of this generation.

[@siveswartbooi]

Where would Joshua Maponga be if he didn't study at white colonial university's and fly out of Zimbabwe on white colonial planes. He wouldn't even be a part of this conversation without his education at this white colonial institutions, we wouldnt care on his opinion. so why does he ask Rorisang where would she be spiritually if a "white colonial Christianity" didn't come to Africa. He must ask himself where would HE be?

[@ceekayouu25]

Uyabhuda wena

[@siveswartbooi]

@@ceekayouu25 hai s'ka!

[@aronmelisizwemaseti7110]

Ubheda mpela

[@nkululekosonwabo9384]

You're Talking shit 😂 what a weak statement. Uyabhuda strong

[@DumisaniMcholi]

Shut up and listen

[@SiyabulelaKakaka-iz4wk]

Maponga is on another level❤

[@kagisonongngoepe6297]

I must say tht Maponga triggered something where he spoke about "colonial interruption". I believe we r a people that evolve with time. So encountering ol kinds of winds and spaces in the world, we r bound to become a changed ppl in time. But the with problem with these eurocentric believe systems, they were imposed upon a people in order to evaporate that of the African indigenous. And for any African to identify with eurocentricism, impolite as it may sound, it's a shame. Lack of knowledge of who we r makes it excusable for Africans to identify with eurocentricism.

[@Lindeka.M]

South Africa let’s pray for Rorisang

[@kamvamgwaza7142]

Why?

[@Ian-xp5fy]

Maponga destroyed them all, the moment they started getting emotional they were already losing

[@londiwedlamini6741]

“Where you gather and start debating about God, the chairperson of that meeting is the devil himself”

[@lwazimofokeng6472]

I was about to comment, then i went past your comment, and boom, i counldnt bring myself to. You are spot on there, though sometimes you wish to put your two cent opinion because of the many untruths that these people are projecting as truth.

[@partyintheweekend]

You are blessed🙏🏾🙌🏾

[@Jamesbond007jaime]

The intros to their names at the beginning are fire 🤣🔥🔥🔥☝🏾

[@nkulithegreat3568]

Speaking the language of the colonialist to say you are not colonized iz crazy business

[@williamvandermerwe4690]

😂😂😂😂

[@Uayandaaa]

Its a common language. If it were for him we know very well they would be speaking their own language

[@makhosonkendebele8199]

Do u understand Tsonga or Tswana fully it luks lyk u also stuck in dt colonized mindset

[@manqobakhuzwayo8734]

Mamponga🎯🎯🎯🔥🔥🔥🔥🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿

[@comicverselaughs]

the other lady was just shouting so I couldn't hear her point ,and why is it every time maponga makes a point they talk over him to block his point

[@eddieramokganyaka2276]

I'm struggling to keep up with Maponga's vocabulary 😩😂

[@masebekwena3041]

😂

[@thembelaloliwe7866]

Maponga and Steve Kompela, same whatsi group 😁

[@Anti-IsraeliteDefamationLeague]

*Then follow his train of THOUGHT.*

[@thamsanqapercyzikalala7047]

This was the question. I asked my mother 10 year back she was brave to answer the question

[@Ballerin1God]

Question: if you participated in a race and unaware, you run in the wrong direction and someone comes up to you and is like "Pal, you're running in the wrong direction. There is the right path that will reap you rewards for running the race," having seen that this person is reliable, do you still run the wrong direction to your own peril or rather take heed to this message and change direction? I don't know who or what my ancestors worshipped, but Jesus Christ is the Rock that I am willing to die on. I pray that we may open our hearts to Him and let Him be the Author and Perfecter of our faith.

[@kabelomalotle4575]

I do agree with the statement that ausi Rorisang saying we need to be willing to learn others believe to understand not judge.

[@PLUGSPOTRECORDS]

It’s such a shame to see a black person fighting for a western culture like this 💔 and very heartbreaking

[@NathiM03]

For a man who is so opposed the to Eurocentric perspective it’s so interesting that he places that very same Eurocentric education system on such a high pedestal.

[@buyimajola4245]

Ok so how else must he express his opposition?

[@NathiM03]

@@buyimajola4245 I’m not opposing that he use Eurocentric educational systems and methods, what I am implying is how hypocritical he is. The very same Europeans who he passionately opposes in the religious context (by the way that is a misinformed stance) created the Eurocentric educational system which he prides himself with when making an argument towards the opposition. So Eurocentrism is good when they colonise our way of learning and education and it’s something he can even brag about when mentioning how learned he is but it’s not when they “colonise” our way of worship and individuals choose to adopt that within their personal lives.

[@buyimajola4245]

@@NathiM03 right, I hear you. Do you think he is awe of his hypocrisy? Chances are he is not awe, coz he should mention it as a disclaimer, when he makes a point.

[@mathaleaphatela]

@@NathiM03 THIS!!!

[@kingnandi5563]

It is very interesting to see Unathu, so crazy

[@avelaharvey8466]

Maphongo and khehlelezi thnk they know it all😢

[@masibongesibiya6315]

They know more than their debatees

[@bokamosoramocha4534]

Rorisang killed this 🫶

[@kamvamgwaza7142]

She had no input TBH.

[@MsTAmazing]

Exactly.. She was supposed to moderate but jumped in the debate emotionally charged smh

[@gobimotswatswe5098]

She doesn't know about he black culture, she doesn't know that she wil be a ancestor to her children says it all. She has to find out about where she comes from.

[@MpumiHleza-e3z]

​@@gobimotswatswe5098For ini?? Why does she have to do all that?

[@The-Resistance]

She does not understand that you have to generalise when you are making a point.

[@vincentiankosi2342]

In my conclusion believe in whatever works for you, stay in your lane don’t judge always be open to learning but stay in your lane

[@tsokho_shumba]

Anyone who called themselves Christian but don't follow Jesus Christ's foot steps that person is not Christian I doesn't matter how much they go to church!

[@Scrollupone]

Pastor Joshua is the Goat 🐐. 👏🏾

[@nzumbu6318]

If you really want to learn when one is speaking take what you don't know,and learn from it 1.do not make a point and want to be heard as if what you know is better than what other people knows, This doesn’t need emotional feelings to learn.great chat

[@palesaMos]

Maponga don't deserve the Title of Bishop .

[@kamvamgwaza7142]

Give us 2 reasons

[@Tony123-abc]

baba Maponga you are the fountain of knowledge.

[@Le_bo733]

This topic is so interesting, sadly only one person was qualified to have this conversation and was not even a little bit challenged by the other speakers because they all know very little about what they practice. This conversation was also just so poorly mediated. Will the true apologetics please stand up!

[@kgomotsomonye9136]

Nco.. i sympathise with Solomon😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MfundoNkosi-f3y]

Maphonga is right if the colonizers didn't come bekungeke sibazi ojesu no adam nabo John 😂

[@ntombokhanyomildred2155]

#BRINGBACKOURPEOPLE MAPONGA❤️🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@pietmaropeng8263]

Maphonga mos o tlile mo go re gakantsha ka sekgowa😫😫😫

[@just_mohau]

😂😂

[@thapeloseane1336]

Maponga dismantled them with knowledge and understanding out of their brutal ignorance!

[@Uayandaaa]

❤

[@nhlakaniphomthembu-r3i]

Cha ngiyavuma kodwa uyanjan enkonzwen ungeke wakhothamele umfundis ophambikwakho I lov this uph umagejageja kodwa😂😂😂😂

[@Ofentse.moerane]

I love Ausi Rorisang soo much

[@ZandileMkhwanazi-x7n]

Sister Jackie doesn't have a backbone because she's two faced

[@falakhephonoshe6943]

Joshua Maphonga🙌🏿🔥

[@karabomadia2783]

Christianity is so strong that’s it faith can blind you from facts at any cost for your spiritual growth. Even if Christ came and told us about the acknowledgment of our ancestors we still wouldn’t accept it because we are hell bent on believing in what makes us comfortable not what will make us grow.

[@nonkonzohadebe5219]

This was my best conversation bcz I kind of relate to Roli

[@devon_claude_4636]

This could have been a proper debate ,if there were 0% emotions attached and 100 % facts 😅😂. But overall..

[@Anti-IsraeliteDefamationLeague]

*NOT GOING TO HAPPEN with WOMEN involved.*

[@ntshuxekopreciousshitlhang8672]

Maponga is a genius.

[@sifisodlamini2035]

Dr khehlelezi is actually agreeing with maponga J😂😂😂❤️

[@siverafuza8398]

He smiles whenever Maponga J speaks. 😄

[@kuhleMangesi-w2z]

And Ashoms lied to the viewers and his colleagues when he said he dreamed of God😂😂😂😂

[@yamkelamajikela1915]

Hawu 😂 yaz I thought I was the only one that picked that up

[@goodsherpherdloveministrie8681]

They is nothing great about Maponga he is just so boastfull and proud which God says he hates

[@Lindeka.M]

Maponga worships himself

[@masibongesibiya6315]

It’s beautiful.

[@sisandalisa2215]

As he should - he is an African.

[@neomofokeng2755]

I couldn't agree more

[@LuckyMahlatji]

This was a great talk. However, I feel like it was filled with emotions more than facts (Rori and Jackie). Maponga is arrogant, but had he been given enough time to unpack this, I believe we would have learned so much than we have learned now. Jackie's last question about coexistence between the two (Christianity and African Spirituality) would have unpacked a lot of things, but because she and Rosi were filled with a lot of emotions, it became wasted. To me, Dr. Khehlezi was really lost some of the questions that were asked, but he did make me question a lot of things from some of his responses.

[@kamvamgwaza7142]

Maponga speaks uncomfortable truth. And that's Jackie and Rorisangs' weaknesses. Nothing about arrogance

[@Lungelo_Gasa]

Jesus Christ is our Lord and saviour and God... that is all i Can say..i don't debate over these things..i know who my Creater is..we will all answer for ourselves when we leave this Earth.

[@luzukomgcine4477]

Mr Maponga is a giant...

[@LazFume]

Emotions shown by Rorisang shows the spirit of Maponga is too much😂😂😂

[@Uayandaaa]

😭

[@hassenatambuli]

Where do we watch full episodes I feel like I’m missing a lot from this conversation

[@Mr_Kevnat]

@@hassenatambuli Part 1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/navMpIR5edaqeKcfeature=shared

[@oneaccordsa484]

Nibuye nimbheke umampongo ngathi uyayibhema insangu 😂

[@obasanjokwantu]

Religion has messed us up. It's pathetic.

[@NdeshipandaAntonius]

You need to be mature and emotionally intelligent too understand Bishop Mapongha

[@mathaleaphatela]

Not really, he's just using big words to unpack very basic concepts. It takes actual emotional maturity to respect people even when you're not in agreement with them, he failed in that regard.

[@NdeshipandaAntonius]

@@mathaleaphatela They probably big words to you , he is from Zim they were colonized by the English so most of them use big vocabulary.

[@ashleykgaladi22]

​@@NdeshipandaAntoniusstill he failed to respect others because they hold a different opinion from theirs, that says much about him as a person.

[@kamvamgwaza7142]

​@mathaleaphatela6134 Maponga didn't use big words to insult others. If you heard him very well. He's got a skill of capitalizing on Jackie and Rorisang ignorance and emotions. Rorisang and Jackie had no input in this debate TBH. They are using emotions to win the viewers over.

[@Ameliyah_Tebz]

actully its the opposite

[@TheGameOfHighsAndLows]

Joshua 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯

[@mthunzibuthelezi4689]

Maponga🙏❤️

[@cuthbertchinji3676]

Maponga all day!

[@hi_i_am_emo]

I'm not sorry😭. Yooh he was personal

[@CryptoGuy95]

Maponga is a ghost😂😂 i salute Ignorance is making people angry😂

[@masibongesibiya6315]

Maponga ❤

[@Katlegogmk]

Rorisang took this personal and she contradicted herself there. So she is conscious of the fact that Christians "born again" per se are judgemental toward African culture/traditions.

[@ronaldmohlala9439]

Teacher Maponga❤❤

[@sivilemswane316]

Rorisang❤️

[@Sinenhlanhla-li1gw]

Sis rorisang is me towards my classmates

[@princemellosa9693]

We really need another episode on this topic

[@faithing88]

Maponga then doesn't want christians to preach the gospel

[@Letukile]

God is God, He is supreme. And just because we are Christians doesn't mean we are big enough to put God in our little box of understanding and He must conform to our limited way of teaching. If God decides to use an ancestor, it's His to use. If God wants to use an angel, it's his to use. If He wants to use a tree, it's his to use. Even an animal is God's to use. And he doesn't need to end his Godlyness in the book of Revelations. God is God, stop telling him he is not God outside of the church.

[@BonginkosiSebotsa]

Maponga lack respect he is a MR know it all.

[@moshek9283]

If you are fragile why participate in such conversations??. Emotionally weak people always cause deviations and personalise such conversations. I'd prefer people to be more keen on learning the truth rather than trying to defend or advocate what they've already believed, such mentality makes one immune to teachings. Lastly. One who speaks without actual experience, always teach things that yield no results. All things, powers or thrones, hidden and unhidden. In heaven and on earth, all were created by and for God.... When you get to a point where you forget that you are not God's friend, when you forget that the creators thoughts are way above your thoughts. You will be quick to condemn everything that YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. Most people are quick to talk about things they have no experience about, assume positions they weren't called for and hence preaching what they cannot practice and as a result waste people's time with teachings that yield no results

[@thanduyiseraylee1041]

Hhey kahle ngamatshe ummongo wewukela🙆🏾‍♂️😮. Ay uyimpi, ushayile ke kodwa 🤜🏾🤛🏾

[@TauzenJudas]

One thing I realized here is that Carl Jung was right, not all but in general women are not meant for intellectual discourse. Especially not one contest with intellectual men. No! That's the road to chaos.

[@nokuzolabaleni9819]

Fear God who can build & destroy the only God who created everything

[@Uayandaaa]

Did you see God create everything?

[@Rorimos]

as I sit and enjoy the discussion but skip every part where maponga speaks, this man until he deals with his massive ego and pride I can't even take him seriously, o lenyatso okare ga se mogolo and highly misguided no wonder he calls himself bishop even though he does not believe in the very thing he labels himself as, that's pure deception to start with, I cannot hold a container full of donuts and label the outside of it 'scones', that's not just deception but confusion/misrepresentation and a lie in a nutshell to the layman and he uses it to gain a sense of honour which he does not posess cos of the lies he tells to mislead others, sorry to those who idolise him because they are too blinded from worshiping his supposed "intellect" that they can't even see through the facade, he groups believers into one box and says 'the arrogance of christianity" yet fails to deal with his own arrogance from within perfectly displayed on show in this video as well.. "before you remove the speck from your brothers eye remove the log from yours first" Bible says, these must be the verses which made him run from the Bible, people who can't stand to hear the truth often do that best, the way he bows his head when others are speaking showing he is not even listening just goes to show he believes get bigger and smarter than all of them and didnt come to learn anything but ridicule and push own agenda yoh, heal sir,