Black Hole Wars, Episode 5: Rise of Information

[@chethankrishnan6639]

Nice discussion, and Hi Rifath, hope you are doing well!! 😃 In order to decide whether a conventional (as opposed to constant Page curve) is interesting for flat space black holes, it is NOT sufficient that one shows that the true gauge invariant observables of holography are at infinity. We are all devout holographers here, and agree to that. What is necessary, if you want to show that there is no useful conventional Page curve in flat space, is to show that there do NOT exist any *approximate* bulk local observables that are useful for this. This is a harder problem, because of bulk gauge invariance.

[@vaibhavk2400]

Is this the actual Chetan?! I think I saw you recently in Chandramouli’s talk, I wasn’t sure of your question on the S-functional, what was it again?

[@borunchowdhury5644]

While I am not quite sure how the state of the two shells can be distinguished using the uncertainty principle what I'd like to know before I work on the thought experiment is if there is a back of the envelope calculation to see how this uncertainty accounts for the exp(S_{BH}) states.

[@lesrhind8954]

hello atmospheric pressurized zone within the black hole would be acting like any atmosperic zone on ones point of entry past the etreme heat high kelvin but like any atmospheric somethimg always gets thru dust debris earth is a clasic examle of this comets hit our surface and and meteorologist take sample of it my point is this what makes the event horizon or the black hole any different fragment and dust must get through information encoded in its stuctured form 2x10 10 to the 67 134 billion years later the black hole loses energy spac then information is lost or is it really space reenters back into whole space and space has its own system of information gathering covid used its own bio network microscope during its first level of global changed into some other strand but reducing its potency space itself uses the same tech information lost please i do not think so