Black Mirror Analysis | Shut Up and Dance

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[@alexwright5419]

Fun fact (or not so fun fact): The writers have confirmed that Kenny is 19 which means he will he tried as an adult for his crimes. The casting of a such an innocent and baby faced actor was a good call

[@TweekLudwig]

The exact opposite of a 15/16 year old looking like he's 18+ really flips the way you think about things, no?

[@Dead_Channel964]

Oh my gosh! I thought he was high school age, which makes it creepier!

[@factbeaglesarebest]

ajnr6 he’s trying to point out the fallibility of humans and the very real psychological disorder; paraphilia/pedophilia. Perhaps if it wasn’t so egregiously taboo this young kid could have sought help. There ARE effective treatments for paraphilia. But even with HIPPA laws people are afraid of the exposure even with a PSYCHIATRIST

[@ajnr6876]

Fact: Beagles Are Best i don’t care if there are effective treatments. the dude said “we don’t know what he actually beat off to: was it some preteens skinny dipping or hardcore child rape”. the fact that he even thought of that sentence is disgusting

[@natvelo]

@@ajnr6876 while they are both gross and should not be seen as in any way acceptable, there is a massive different between those two types of video

[@Maria-tl9lw]

When he said “how young were they?” my stomach turned

[@pxtrickpxtrick6974]

Maria Romero when did he say that

[@Maria-tl9lw]

PATRICKDONNELLY when he was about to fight off that guy

[@kingbranden1369]

I'm surprised you instantly believed him. I didn't realize his accusation of Kenny was accurate until the phone call at the end, and even after that I feel pretty skeptical. Just a video of him doesn't prove anything, and if he was so paranoid as to buy a lock for his door and argue with his sister then I doubt he'd have the stuff on his harddrive like Hector did. That would leave the only evidence of his crimes being search history which is shaky at best. That's not really a reason for Kenny to be so terrified at the hackers. It's shown over and over again that the video is what Kenny is so afraid of, not what he was watching or what was on his computer. The logical conclusion would be that evidence was planted on his computer remotely to make things even worse for him in the end. After all he had to be an idiot in 1 of 2 ways and all evidence seems to point to him being an idiot for not just calling the police immediately rather than being an idiot for not covering his tracks.

[@Maria-tl9lw]

KingBranden I didn’t immediately think he was a pedo but I took in consideration that he never admitted to wanking on camera whenever he was asked what exactly he did, he always just said “I was just looking at some pictures” and started crying and when the man asked him “how young were they” I assumed he was looking at child pornography and to raise my suspicion he didn’t deny it but I never thought of them applying the pictures on to the computer

[@EmpressChu]

KingBranden I'm gonna be honest, I instantly believed him, just because the scene at the start when he gives the little girl her toy back was unsettling to me and the fact he didn't just go to the police for just masturbation, I studied media so I can't help but analyse everything

[@sen07777]

When he was told to rob a bank i was like "bro just let them leak the video at this point, its just you doing the stuff" but oooh that twist mannn

[@korykent5645]

MY. EXACT. THOUGHTS. then they leaked it anyway 😂

[@arzuhasanova7756]

Ikr. Entire time I was like just let them be, it is getting out of hand and dangerous. But it would be good if he surrendered at the beginning considering he robbed bank and killed someone.

[@ALilCrazyy]

Yeah but how would the footage prove that he was watching what he was watching?? He could've denied it and dismissed it as fake

[@monet.t.t]

Slick M that’s what i was wondering

[@dataexpunged6969]

@@monet.t.t he probably had more cp on his computer. That's why his mother said that his sister saw it. They downloaded it after they got the access to his computer. I mean how would they know that he's a pedo if they didn't see it themselves? They had proof, and he knew it.

[@nmndza]

“They’re saying it’s kids Kenny! Kids!” The twist thooo

[@slick3996]

For real shit's so fucked up, dude is just standing there not sure what's worse if it's him watching child porn, robbing a bank or killing a man

[@dinorahmorales7664]

You guys remember that part? "How old were they...? Yeah me too." I was legit sweating.

[@Djitterbug]

@@dinorahmorales7664 Bro I remember hearing that part and thinking "nah Kenny wasn't doing that!" It was only until the "KIDS KENNY! KIDS!" that I fully understood what was happening. The way she says it is actually haunting.

[@belkYT]

@@Djitterbug nah its very obvious that he was

[@Djitterbug]

@@belkYT ok 🤓

[@daisyc7080]

The acting in this episode was phenomenal

[@corbinostergaard3767]

Just like all the other episodes on bm

[@goldlattes5291]

yes!

[@rutvin8763]

@@corbinostergaard3767 Except the stupid ass Ashley Too episode

[@dexter2178]

Rutvin nah y’all shit on it bc if Miley Cyrus

[@Spitta504TV]

OMG thats the first thing I thought. Superb!!!!!!

[@asmiredi8989]

Well it's like *the end of the f***ing world* for him.

[@joshleather1706]

Ha see what you did there

[@liebebe8289]

?

[@lookyoureontv]

Why did you have to do this

[@queentsareena]

*slow clap*

[@tatum5747]

I was looking for a comment like this 😂😂

[@nowolves870]

It's so scary when you watch it a second times and he gives back the toy to the child...

[@JC-om7nr]

I knowe

[@WhiteSetsuna]

oh god...didnt realise that and it gave me chills...

[@niamhwalsh3410]

and when he’s looking at the kids menu at his workplace....

[@Whitney2022]

Ugh this is all kinds of No

[@johnjr578]

nowolves facts

[@bojackbojackbojack]

"Black Mirror" has had a lot of insane twist-endings, but "Shut Up and Dance" threw me for such a loop that I had to sit there for a good 5 minutes thinking about it.

[@bojackbojackbojack]

@Chan 160138 - Of course.

[@Quasar680]

And I don't get it even after thinking about it so I watch these damn videos

[@phantomkitten73]

​@@bojackbojackbojack: Upgrade had one of those kind of endings, that whole movie absolutely could literally have just been a Black Mirror episode.

[@bojackbojackbojack]

@@phantomkitten73- So, you recommend "Upgrade", huh? Never heard of it. I might check it out.

[@TTCHELSEA]

@@phantomkitten73 bro that movie left me shook. That was literally a black mirror episode.

[@andrewwallace4821]

also really like the parallel between Kenny's phone battery and his mental tiredness with the whole ordeal, I think by the end He's at 4% or something like that

[@whatthehelliot]

I never thought about that, nice spot!

[@peachimeachi8170]

WWWallace71 Oh that's so cool!!!!!

[@cronaman3196]

WWWallace71 thats an awesome observation, did u discover it your self??

[@andrewwallace4821]

Yeah I did when I first saw it, no idea if it's unintentional or not though

[@gowokamulec5312]

actually every character has their battery at 5% or so

[@lyledeyounges1276]

I love Black Mirror, and I hate Black Mirror. Most of the episodes leave you devastated with no faith in humanity or the future. Thanks.

[@luv3bud]

LyleDeYounges but it’s facts and true!

[@monmonstartv5159]

Thats whats so great about it! Good old dark British realism!

[@jeannieGrey]

That's the point, it's a zero sum game. No happy endings.

[@jag7766]

This how I feel after every episode and I think to myself “why tf does anyone watch this depressing stuff?” Then I keep watching on and on

[@ihy_btw3597]

@@luv3bud thats what made it so fucked up, its real...😖☠

[@potheadproductions9773]

This was one of the most biggest mindfucks Not only was this terrifying but the plot twist was FUCKING MENTAL This is hands down one of my favourites

[@Sarah-pg7ge]

same. It was brilliant how they make u feel sorry for him throughout the whole episode up until then end when you find out what he did. and then you realize how earlier in the episode how creepy some of his actions were!!

[@diegothegreat1918]

What twist?

[@MrWorm-mp6vw]

Sarah 808 but i still feel sorry for him even at the end

[@madzia0109]

TheHitmanMaster it is indeed one of my favorites. However it was so tiring to watch it, I mean I felt tired - my mind was drained. I watched the next episode like a month after watching this one.

[@MrBulldozer1000]

so it was like 4Chan the movie, they were trolling him hard but in the end fucked him over.

[@RAY-THE-WAY]

I noticed Kenny’s story changed when asked “What they get you for?”. Went from “recorded me doing it” to “I was only looking at a couple of photos”. That’s when i knew something was off.

[@janeee6679]

yupppp

[@faeriys777]

throughout the episode I was thinking "man let Kenny go he was just beating his meat cut him some slack" but then oh then that T W I S T came

[@clairew4829]

Zeina Elsy SAME!!

[@miceatah9359]

still pl out there spelling "masterbaiting" lmao

[@samlat48]

they really did foreshadow it at the beginning in the restaurant when he hands that little girl her toy. something about the inclusion of that scene kind of threw me off. that fucking ending is bonkers though

[@theeditor1887]

G4nst4Ch33se it's human nature

[@Dariusissocool]

Precious Bradford because he took sooooo long to walk up to her then kneel down. Like why not shout “HEY, don’t forget your toy!”

[@itsmechristy2409]

The young male actor did a really great job. When he needed to look petrified and panicked, he did. I think I've seen this episode at least twice.

[@luv3bud]

itsme christy he was also in the end of the ducking world he was a good actor

[@3ki3ra3]

alex is a phenomenal actor, he deserves an award.

[@Seven.teen17]

geez kiera what’s his ful name?

[@Mr.Moogie]

@@luv3bud auto correct? Same here I ducking hate it

[@sevenseasonsofbrown]

Alex Lawther gives me life

[@koi3554]

There are actually people defending cp and saying that it doesn't harm the child. Wtf kind of drugs are y'all on?

[@FreakoftheAngels]

Kera yeah it absolutely does hurt the child bc they got sexually assaulted making the videos dumbasses! That’s like saying snuff films where people are murdered don’t hurt people! Drawings and shit are different in that respect in that real children aren’t directly harmed but I fear normalizing this lolicon shit more and more over time. It will endanger real children when pedophiles can more easily justify their actions in their heads and think it’s ok to give in to their desires instead of getting help.

[@chadmichaels6086]

@@FreakoftheAngels I don't think you read her comment mate

[@AllegoricSiren]

The reason these people are trying to defend it is because this character they like and want to protect and have bonded with took part in cp. In defending cp, they’re defending the character. If this character wasn’t connected to cp, they wouldn’t be defending it.

[@grimsleeper5945]

CP is a gateway to child rape.

[@TheCh0psueyy]

Those are probably people who would watch it in the first place . Ughhhh sickos

[@FlamingAnimation]

9:27 when Kenny opens his wallet, the condoms are placed directly on top of the photo he carries. The photo includes two children smiling, yet again making the association to sexuality through condoms.

[@korykent5645]

Great find

[@sanderbarbo2070]

That wasn't Kenny's wallet, it was Hector's.

[@jrgenstenstad3117]

@@sanderbarbo2070 I think it's a double meaning. The second one being that Hector puts sex above his children and family

[@funker4213]

It was Hector's wallet -_-

[@pimparoo]

@@sanderbarbo2070 that doesnt take away from the symbolism.

[@cousinbelladonna6558]

Kenny was perfectly cast.

[@MaisieIsAwesome]

I really respect the actor! It must take guts to play someone like that, because he'll always be associated with it. He did a really good job

[@charlotted1321]

think his name should be thrown out there: Alex Lawther, absolutley brilliant up-and-comer

[@AnchorsandInfinity]

he's in a newly released show on netflix, end of the f**king world! he's perfect in it, what an amazing actor

[@mia2640]

omg i was just gonna comment that, love that guy he killed it in black mirror and the end of the fking world!

[@sarah-106]

This episode made me look into him he’s a rlly good actor I hope he appears in more stuff

[@tyemaddog]

I rewatched this today, found something new. After he gets computer back with the virus he downloads "Shrive Anti-Malware". Shrive being a religious word to confess your sins. :O

[@nathanhyde2079]

In that case I would say that the malware was the actual virus that gave the hacker a backdoor to Kenny's computer.

[@sirnoba5507]

@@nathanhyde2079 the "malware remover" you mean?

[@nathanhyde2079]

@@sirnoba5507 yea I meant to say malware program

[@pamelalansbury94]

Good catch!

[@Helixify]

Nathan Hyde that’s what I thought!

[@anaisgunner-lester8989]

You forgot to add, when Kenny speaks to the kid at the start the song “that’s the way I like it” starts playing

[@glossygorl5737]

Jeff f oh my ghhh I didn’t pick up on that, that’s so disturbing

[@snowfox8437]

omg I'm about to throw up

[@nkirukaj2384]

This show is fucking ridiculously clever

[@samanthamitchell4115]

Jesus, stop just stop! Too much. I cant even with this episode.

[@fern2336]

ohfuck

[@steel2572]

Was I the only one that cracked up when Kenny was like "GIVE ME MONEY"

[@s.a281]

I COULDNT STOP LAUGHING

[@Dee-fj1gp]

THANK YOUUUUU

[@kingslushie1018]

The pissing that followed it too is hilarious...

[@diegodelagarza4206]

BRUUUH YEEES HAHAHAH

[@tokiix3065]

HAHQWJSJSJSJSJS SAME

[@alexlee2581]

I know it’s completely fake but it got me kinda paranoid every time I went to the bathroom with a phone

[@ibtunesbukhari1909]

I usually just whip my dick out and do a helicopter right in front of the camera to piss off the spies if there are any 👌🏽

[@ramo5442]

As long as you dont diddle it to children i dont think any hacker will care to go after you

[@anlumo1]

What's not fake is that you should cover any cameras in your home at all times, unless you're actively in a video call.

[@vedant9378]

@@ramo5442 Something similar to this but actually done on innocent people is real. In South Korea, women's public washrooms are often installed with spy cams by predators. It's a huge issue there.

[@DoubleDuck_]

@@ibtunesbukhari1909 hahhaahhahahahshahahahahahahagaggahahagagagagagagaggagagaga

[@BigBadMadDog.]

Alex Lawther is such a great actor. His performance in this episode as well as The End of the F***ing World are fantastic.

[@borednerd5767]

Tim Tickler honestly I've fallen in love with him you should watch his other work too he's such a diverse actor

[@emilydearing6022]

OMG I KNEW HE WAS FAMILIAR. i couldn’t place that i’d seen him in The End of the F***ing World

[@TheRenCoco]

Tim Tickler I knew he looked like the guy from end of the f***ing world. Thank you for clarifying

[@diavolosteddy7594]

I hated that series but he *was* a great actor in it

[@JayPineurboy]

I FUCKING LOVED END OF THE F***ING WORLD. IT WAS AN ABSOLUTELY AMAZING SERIES. BUT THIS EPISODE OF BLACK MIRROR FUCKED ME UP

[@Blizzic]

This is the scariest film ever made. I immediately covered my laptop camera after watching it.

[@Shoshii]

You should only be scared if you're doing something you're not supposed to. Like I thought he was just fapping y'know? Nothing special. Buuuuut he was doing it with child pornography so

[@jamesmorris911]

Blizzic you just told on yourself...look out your window

[@thiccestpossum3264]

This is a Netflix show

[@pauldecoster]

Blizzic Sorry, nothing beats White Bear, not even this.

[@LetsStopThisSong]

Lydia xxx agreed, I was like, but he was just jacking off why would the people want be so awful but when it was revealed it was child pornography I was like “oh”

[@yuh535]

everything was good until you said “it wasn’t hurting anyone”. i don’t think you understand what kind of damage child pornography can do

[@xord1946]

"non binary lesbian" hahaha.

[@bbytiia]

@@xord1946!???

[@potato_nyin_6448]

He meant viewing it

[@ltd8461]

@@potato_nyin_6448 that’s still wrong damaging and harmful...

[@mstr293]

@@xord1946 Is that a "Caitlyn Jenner" thing?

[@cambriaweeden4803]

This episode is like anxiety personified

[@markl1536]

Cambria Weeden yeah. The bank scene tho

[@naylik2562]

GIMMEMUHNEY.. INEEDALOOOT *proceed to piss himself*

[@andrewnovak1390]

true, I have anxiety and this episode has really shaken me

[@colette2529]

yeah, except you don't have to have done something wrong to have anxiety. he's feeling guilt

[@rubub8455]

you should watch "beau is afraid"

[@leftymethodcrochet]

Omg y'all I just remembered that at the beginning of the episode Kenny gave a toy a little girl had lost back to her. And he kind of just stared at her when she walked away. But of course watching it then you wouldn't suspect a thing and just think that Kenny's a nice guy. Also there was that girl boss lady who had an obvious interest in Kenny but Kenny never showed any interest in her. Quite a few red flags that I can't believe I missed. EDIT: On a rewatch rn and I lowk forgot I posted this comment lmaooo -- but I just wanted to add that of course you don't need to be gay or awkward or anything to simply not reciprocate feelings/interest for someone, but the interaction between that lady and Kenny paired up with the other things he's done makes it a "red flag".

[@tunnelvision7906]

Madeline Lowe he did have an interest in her that’s why those dick coworkers were teasing him about it

[@user-ut7kx2jw3j]

@@tunnelvision7906 nah I think they were teasing him because the coworker was interested in him not the opposite. Plus I thought through out the episode that Kenny was jerking off to gay porn and was too scared to admit to everyone he was gay

[@floremilmolde8355]

I thought the disinterest was because he was gay haha

[@steel2572]

I thought he was just super awkward dude and didnt really know how to reciprocate.

[@RadioActiveKissRebel]

I thought he just didn't like her back? Lol I don't know why a dude needs to be gay or awkward to not show interest in a girl? Lol

[@janeyufan]

Fun fact: the anti malware software that gave him the virus is called "Shrive" which means "to absolve confession" (I think it's archaic)

[@josetomasnoriega3776]

Jane Fan archaic means old

[@teehee.1862]

archaic as in biblical, too. the guy who cheated on his wife said to kenny, "the pope does it too."

[@danielrko9895]

the hackers made him do all that so he would do more time in prison, you don't get much just for watching CP but he did rub a bank at gunpoint and killed a dude ina forest then tried to run away, I think that was their goal

[@erikawelch8355]

This was the first time I’ve heard this theory and WOW.. I like the way u think

[@yesimsureienteredmynamecorrect]

Absolutely. Made me happy knowing he wouldn't be able to just get a slap on the wrist.

[@soniacosta8397]

That makes sense

[@XyZCwP]

👍

[@powerbite92]

This is also how more sinister groups recruit their MK Ultra cells.

[@kanavkapoor3055]

I was wondering why Kenny didn’t just go to the authorities until the twist :/

[@dionmose3136]

Kanav Kapoor yeah they got me too but i was more like hey so what you caught jackin off. Just let them upload it get embarrassed and move on! Better then robbin a bank or fighting to the death. But it was kid porn and that my friend must remain a secret. Great ep!

[@itsmike5757]

Dion Mose same here the whole time I was thinking that I wouldn't care you couldn't black mail me with something so small

[@violetisredandblue]

New Royal. "Something so small" Heh.

[@itsmike5757]

Aaron Jimenez oh wow,lol

[@skakee10]

I thought that since the hackers are watching everything he does they’d know he called the police

[@yellinghayfire4935]

I saw a Reddit post awhile ago that examined some frames of Kenny's emails on his computer. One contained him talking to someone about buying a camera, possibly implying that Kenny himself was planning to make his own "pictures" with children, making him less innocent to what he was doing than the audience might think he was.

[@user-mb9nm7bq5e]

LUIGIII nah it makes sense. it just shows that over time he would have become a child molester. all these characters would have kept going and getting worse had the hackers not intervened

[@ZiggyWSB]

Given that Kenny pissed himself with the bank robbery and wanted to shoot himself, before he had to shoot someone else, I can't see him as someone who could force Children to have sex. Cowardly looking at Child Porn without thinking about the consequences for other people, sure! But I don't think he has enough... guts to do that himself. Sorry, if that sounds like I would call that a virtue in this case. Also Bar San, you make it sound like the hackers were heroes. They could've just leaked these Things without making People fight to the death for their amusement.

[@annaskill5500]

ZiggyWSB That does really make sense but then again, people don't want to be/feel powerless or weak which is why they're are capable of the most horrible acts (great example is bullying). So I think it is also possible that as a weak, cowardly person he might desire someone who will make him feel less so... And children are even weaker and more easily scared than he is. So I think there still is a chance he would end up growing into a child molester. That said people also do grow more bold and assertive as they mature all the time. I'm quite grateful that isn't the case in the episode but cynically enough it could go either way, I think!

[@nocucksinkekistan7321]

no teenager knows that LUIGII

[@bondfall0072]

​@@ZiggyWSBSomeone theorized the hackers did this to ensure whoever survived would get jail for life even if the CP charges didn't stick. If they just leak the footage of him masturbating to CP, he could claim that it was a deepfake in court. Sure, his reputation is ruined, but he still has his freedom. DNA evidence and multiple witnesses, on the other hand, are much harder to discredit than a grainy webcam video.

[@multuminparvo5]

It's worth noting that children who are being sexually abused have always been made to shut up and dance.

[@JC-om7nr]

Explain

[@moiddestroyinginfidel]

multuminparvo5 Finally somebody mentions that instead of "oh poor Kenny"

[@johnjr578]

multuminparvo5 oh God, don't put that in my head

[@johnjr578]

Lonesome Queen just the way his mom sounded so heartbroken is the only way I feel bad for him, but STOP LOOKING AT KIDS

[@PoppinRandomBubbles]

Suleiman The Magnificent Explain what?

[@ThornwoodDrive]

Something horrifying but interesting is in the background of the scene where he meets the little girl In the restaurant, the song ‘That’s How I Like It’ is played.

[@laptv2144]

I still don’t understand how Kenny won that fight to the death.

[@batmanlaughed800]

Not that hard, he's young and faster than the other dude.

[@angelsunchained7565]

Also, he had a gun...

[@sclarinet9088]

Angels Unchained the gun wasn't loaded

[@NaturerocksXD]

Lap TV the older dude was drinking and was drunk. Giving Kenny the advantage

[@rattman3975]

@@sclarinet9088 but it's still a blunt weapon

[@sarah-106]

I think it’s really interesting how you spend an hour feeling sorry for Kenny, like come on he’s just a teen who watched some porn. Then at the end you figure out he’s a pedophile. So it makes you reevaluate: did Kenny deserve what happened to him? Black mirror has a way of making you think about how YOU think... what your core morals and beliefs are. Some people still feel sorry for him, some believe he deserved what he got.

[@aimanadnan3439]

of course . the twist tho

[@UncannyXander]

I didn't feel bad at all lmao, I saw a pathetic sweaty weirdo failing at every aspect of life

[@djtester]

He was made a pedophile by the hackers, since the only evidence could be a camera capturing him wanking at the screen, with the content visible. Combining screen and video of wanking is very doubtful

[@tannerlawley8435]

The Uncanny One What a prick

[@ToastedToast198]

@@UncannyXander I guarantee you watch porn too. I felt bad UNTIL I realized he watched little children on his laptop AND worked around children. Made me sick.

[@thandiislost]

i disagree with the concept that kenny was doing no actual damage through simply viewing the material. as a consumer, he’s feeding into the success of these sick distributors, and is therefore complicit. he is perpetuating the cycle of consumption and demand, and is actively supporting the exploitation of the children in the videos.

[@suckmyduck7029]

Bro I see this argument over and over and over and over and its just so bland and boring to me.. Let me ask you this, what do you think drives demand up more? Some socially inept, idiotic teen making a stupid mistake, or a society that gives him nowhere to go to deal with these tendancies? Maybe if we weren't so quick to throw these people into the deepest pits of hell and recognised that one does not choose to be this way. Even if Kenny wanted to seek help, we wouldn't let him, we'd be too busy trying to punish him for something has hasn't done(as in actually being a sexual abuser) or for tendancies he did not choose. It just goes to show that people care more about punishment instead of actually fixing the problem.

[@windshieldlaugh7411]

@@suckmyduck7029 I agree, even tho I understand why so many people think he deserved it. I just think many don’t understand that these people weren’t born evil, but became this way. It’s hard because crimes on innocent people are hard to forgive and children are the definition of innocence. It's hard to think about this rationally, but looking at this rationally these people need psychological help. Imprisoning them for life isn’t really the solution. Someone close to me was sexually abused and the pain of it is deep and traumatizing, so I can understand the people wanting them to be punished, but you can’t let your emotions get in the way of treating these people. I just hope the person who did this to my family member will regret it for the rest of his life and will become a mental healthy and good person.

[@jacobgraemoor5778]

@@suckmyduck7029 you've got the right idea there and it's rare to see.

[@Anynonymous-yt1nf]

He just needed therapy his mom was doing unnecessary drama because he knew what he did was wrong

[@aishahijri8419]

@@suckmyduck7029 sounds like youre a kid fiddler

[@EsperAlex90]

Its implied that Kenny won, not the other guy. It was a fight to the DEATH and Kenny lived. I also want to say that this is one of, if not, my favorite episodes. The episode starts with Kenny being extremely relatable, we all do private things on our computers or phones that we would not want everyone in our contact lists (family, friends, coworkers, etc) seeing. Even something as normal as self-pleasuring is extremely embarrassing to have your mom or boss see. As the episode progressing, we get the feeling that the punishment outweighs the crime and saying to ourselves that he should cut his losses and have the footage leaked. It's embarrassing but do that or go miles away in a strange car with a stranger? Rob a bank with a gun? Fight someone to the death? A video of you masturbating can't be that bad. We're sitting there baffled as our empathy turns into complete confusion and then the reveal.... It all makes sense. Why else would he be so desperate to cover up his act. It was perfect. Kenny's actor did such a great job portraying his desperation and helplessness, especially the moments before and during the bank robbery and his screaming and panic attacks when he is first found out. Great episode, 5/5, would watch again.

[@24SparrowJack]

I don't get how Kenny won he's only teenager and he was fighting a full grown man

[@Kevinofrepublic]

@@24SparrowJack well he got super fucked up so ehh who knows

[@proudbeaner696]

@@panther7584 Calm down Anti social edgy pussy teenager

[@proudbeaner696]

@@24SparrowJack He most likely won because he had Plot Armor. He could of wacked him with the pistol and knocked him down to ground to kept doing it . Yet mostly it was Plot Armor .

[@ukchristian28]

Except I guessed the twist early on, pretty much for the reasons you outlined.

[@NinaC]

Amazing episode. Everything about this is top notch. Alex is phenomenal. That twist was well played out. I was so on Kenny's side until his mom's phone call. Damn what a ride! Best acted scene - Kenny having a breakdown in the car and him robbing the bank.

[@user-vg2gp7ws5q]

nina capila probably my favourite episode of the season. I mean, that ending... holy shit

[@NinaC]

I think this is my favorite Black Mirror episode ever. I go back and forth with this and USS Callister. But Shut Up and Dance has the edge because of the amazing performance. :)

[@dandelionveins]

The moment in the forest when the other man asked Kenny, "How young? How young were they?" was the most exquisite twist. I knew there was something more incriminating to the blackmail video than 'just' masturbating, you know?Suspicions confirmed, damn.

[@rileymiller1294]

How stupid are you all? This episode was mediocre at best. Who who fuck robs a bank and chooses to murder someone over footage of them jacking off? Who would trust the guy giving orders either? Unless you’re an idiot. You’d stop at the point when you’re told to rob the bank and go to the cops instead, explaining everything

[@spyrothedankdragon6214]

Riley Miller he robs the bank and kills the other pedophile because if the footage of him masturbating to child porn was leaked then his life would be ruined and he’d be sent to prison.

[@siobhancassidy7061]

one of my favorite things about both this episode and white bear (which is my favorite black mirror episode over all) is that you feel bad for the main character throughout the entire episode until the plot twist where you learn that they are terrible people. you may still feel bad for them, but your perspective on them totally changes and you question whether or not their treatment was fair at all. love these videos, btw! i was waiting for this one.

[@gabbie8284]

the only thing is Victoria had her mind erased and they punished her tons of times for something she doesn't even remember. Not defending her but Kenny supported child porn, robbed a bank and killed a guy so he can't really think he's innocent like she did

[@yellinghayfire4935]

Gabe Nakatsukasa I agree. as horrible as Victoria's actions were her memory of her past life was completely erased, making her "punishment" pointless because her previous guilty self was pretty much killed. she was essentially a child being tortured over and over again for no reason, which I guess was the point.

[@RJVeld]

Is Kenny a terrible person? I always felt terribly sorry for him, not a feeling of hatred. Kenny is a victim of his own sexuality. As long as we keep treating peadophiles who do not actually have sex with children as criminals, we ain't gonna solve noting. If we really want to do anything about it we have to break the taboo so people like Kenny can find help.

[@TheICEgirl6100]

rik-jan veldhuijzen " who do not actually have sex with children as criminals" but he is watching child porn he's aware these children are being raped/ abused and is able to get off on it he's almost just as bad as the people who produce it

[@TheICEgirl6100]

LUIGIII my comment was basically "yeah he's aroused by children but since he knowingly consumes something that these rapist profit off he's (a big) part of the problem" i'm not saying it's not a "mentall illness"(< my opinion on that is very mixed) i'm saying he's shit for endorsing child porn by watching it i've seen child porn when i was a child myself, have dealt with multiple pedophiles both female and male both young and old both those who act on it and those who don't. there is absolutely no fucking excuse for actively looking for child porn taking steps so that you won't get caught, get off on watching actual children get raped and then " well, hey i never touched any children so i'm good right?"

[@oliverhayhoe]

My absolute favourite episode of Black Mirror and one of the tensest things I've ever seen.

[@DL-ph7qu]

Yep

[@pollutedcrimson]

Watch the movie 'phonebooth'

[@midwintermakes]

My favourite too. Even before the twist about Kenny.

[@brendanauri]

tbh this was by far my least favorite. It was cringey, the twist that he was a pedophile was plain stupid, there was no purpose to anything that happened in the episode, and there was no real theme like most episodes had.

[@brendanauri]

I'm not, though I don't see how that relates to what I posted. I think 95% of Black Mirror episode are phenomenal. This one, on the other hand, was trash, and I genuinely don't understand why anyone likes it.

[@susanalopez5052]

can we also talk about how the kid scenes in the beginning make you sympathize with kenny even more, you think oh he is just this socially awkward guy who can connect with kids more easily as to connect with adults of his own age, it makes you think that he is a nice guy and happens to be good with kids, and the you get to the ending and you rewatch the whole episode and those scene make him even more disgusting

[@ihate2danimationprofiles895]

12345 Nltsaaegcj I still felt bad for him

[@LetsStopThisSong]

12345 Nltsaaegcj yesss, it fucked me up because you tend to think that people who are good with kids are pure but this made things so disgusting

[@oftinuvielskin9020]

I'm not a scholar on the subject or anything, but I'm pretty sure a lot of peadophiles are "good with kids" like Kenny - it only makes sense that they would be. They idealize children's innocence and naivete and want to be with them because it's easier than dealing with somebody who is their equal. I'm generally on the "we need to differentiate between peadophiles and child molesters" and "we need treatments, not witch hunts" team, but when it was revealed at the end all my sympathy for him immediately dissolved. Watching a video of a child being sexually assulted and jerking off to it - it's just so disgusting.

[@MMOplayeerr]

Pictures, If He did not lie and Its still better then robbing a bank or killing. You ofc need customers, someone needs to buy the shit, but still, the First problem are the creators in my opinion. I totally dont think Kenny got equal punishment for his crime, maybe He likes little girls and watched some pics and It may be totally disgusting, but other then that, He could have been a decent person who has value in the society. And no, I am not a pedophile.

[@malucos00]

Oh my good I haven't noticed that

[@MeggyChanify]

"Not doing any harm"... are you high? Is it raining in your house?

[@SethMacMillan]

Technically speaking, Kenny didn't just by consumption. You watching someone getting robbed is not you robbing someone, morally or legally. Is it a terrible thing to do? Absolutely.

[@DmanDice]

SethMacMillan watching pics is traffic for that website. It helps the site.

[@SethMacMillan]

@@DmanDice Traffic is more determined by the volume of users, not the actions of a specific user. Activity may determine which content is successful on the platform, but that's on the platform only. Especially, if they host such content. It's unlikely that would help with it being a viable advertiser.

[@DmanDice]

Its not just traffic. Its the idea that' theres a market for it. The kid looks so young and innocent in this episode and he most likely never actually acted upon his urges, But sites like that help people like him escalade. First pics, then vids, then wondering about opportunities in real life. I hope u get my point or we can just respectfully agree to disagree.

[@SethMacMillan]

​@@DmanDice That argument is a bit similar to the notion of marijuana being a gateway drug, I've yet to read any psychological research finding cases where exploring urges then leads to a worsening of actions. That only seems to be the case if the person has previously grown an addiction to an activity/substance, in as far as my studies have taken me. Unfortunately, there will be a market for it no matter what's done. But, such a market doesn't have much power or traction for obvious reasons and that's the best part. Not to say we should be complacent with it happening, I'm just meaning to say that Kenny's exploration of it doesn't necessarily mean it's gaining any of the previously mentioned. I also can't just say he wouldn't take any actions or condemn him being arrested, it may be for the best.

[@umok7837]

That's why he went to the extreme when his sister took his laptop

[@ItAllFadestoBlack]

um ok. Which makes the plot twist nuttier because I have gotten so annoyed with my sister taking my things that I considered the lock a bit extreme but not completely weird because I've considered doing the same in the past. But then to find out why specifically in his case, insanity

[@LetsStopThisSong]

I understand him being angry she took his computer because I’ve seen boys try to protect their porn lol but the whole putting a padlock on his door was indeed suspicious from the start

[@ItAllFadestoBlack]

I guess if they wanted to be a lot more subtle, they could've added guest accounts for his sister to use?

[@MrPersistent16]

whichs begs the question: "why tf would you allow anyone to use your pc knowing you have information you don't want anyone to access?" felt a bit too off character :/

[@ScrubTheNub]

The scene where he gave the little girl the toy she left on the table in the beginning of episode, those little hints are why I love black mirror

[@CrossedEagle]

this episode is the reason why I cover up my web cam

[@deathtyrantart]

I started doing that as soon as I started watching Black Mirror. I turn my location off too.

[@KookiesNolly]

same bro! I have even stop watching porn because of shit like that.

[@God-jx5og]

StacheShadow what are you doing?

[@CrossedEagle]

RatchetGaming jerking it wbu baby

[@madimorie]

pussy

[@Skyecoke]

Sir bronn of the blackmirror

[@yames3991]

I thought there had to be more to the plot than what was given so when I saw him give the toys to the kids I said "He ain't going to be a pedophile is he?" Needless to say I was fucking SHOCKED when he was. A+ on the plot twist.

[@h.z6870]

Yames SAMEEEE! I predicted it because I was baffled at how he was giving in to the hackers on something that many people do and is somewhat considered normal. So I guessed it must be kids. However I didn't pick up on when he gave the kid a toy

[@La1999x]

oh shit it's yames! you and HMC are my go-to black mirror analysis channels:)

[@yames3991]

Yes it is me! I appreciate it that! Personally HMC is my go-to Black Mirror channel

[@kabeltelevizio]

Frankly, I think this episode was the most unimaginative one. I noticed this as well, and hoped that the episode would subvert expectations and do something different.

[@VivoLaRihvolution]

Yames that crossed my mind as well

[@sheneil7880]

When he goes to pay for the gas, condoms fall out of the wallet revealing pictures of Hector's children. Foreshadowing Kenny's situation. Pictures of children.

[@ratanatomy8929]

It was more than that. In the car Hector was talking about how he was going to lose his kids and that he would kill himself if that ever happened and Kenny got more and more distressed the longer the conversation went on. He seemed like he was going to confess out of guilt for a second there.

[@IndrasHandle]

Pellinor Holy shit. Yep. Literally each time the guys said the word "kids" kenny got increasingly stressed out.

[@alyssaclayton7464]

Maybe not out of guilt, but because he feared if Hector found out what he did Hector would get physically violent.

[@Pablovru]

Alex B. Same The more I learn about this episode the more I love it, literal master piece.

[@RavenBaxter]

Could this be the reason they paired them together???

[@meganwalker5118]

Something else to think about: Kenny is usually nervous and stutters a lot, except when he is talking to the little girl (and people he is close with, like his family)

[@slick3996]

I get what you mean but pretty much every time he was nervous it was after interacting with strangers while being dox'd by another stranger

[@victorugo3875]

A bit of a reach. We didn't really see him interact with strangers prior to being threatened, so we don't know if he's actually always like that or if he was actually like like because of his anxiety pertaining to being doxxed.

[@God-T]

it was probably a weird fetish. we all get one Over-time, I'm not saying it's right, but over time they fade away like a Phase we had in our lives. it's like when you break a taboo, all teens break rules. 🤔 it's not abnormal, but I can't say it's right.

[@presauced]

@@God-T Kenny was 19 years old. He knew better. It's just not a "phase."

[@aturchomicz821]

@@God-T Since when do fetishes just "fade away"?? Weird comment

[@probablystonedmax]

Using that Radiohead song at the end was simply brilliant. I'm not sure any song could've hit me the way that one did. It was perfect.

[@shitshow2376]

After that song came on every hair in my body rose. It was so captivating.

[@cbz5283]

I thought "creep" would also be good.

[@berlynwall1956]

Radiohead songs have that effect

[@jessietherat1691]

@@berlynwall1956 karma police would had worked just as well too!

[@berlynwall1956]

@@jessietherat1691 yes, thats true!

[@dharshinimahesh7090]

Kenny and hector(the main characters in the show) are the same names as the gerbils in black museum

[@jumullyett1258]

Dharshini Mahesh mind fuck !!

[@lanecrescent4161]

Oh yes!!!

[@andrurjdn]

this may reference to how they were treated like gerbils or guinea pigs in these episodes. really interesting series

[@VictoriaSobocki]

Dharshini Mahesh Oooooh

[@esaw7067]

OOOOOOOOOOH PLOT TWIST!

[@triny940]

One great detail that I noticed, was that in the beggining of the episode when Kenny asks his sister why his computer is frozen, she says she was trying to put on a "film thing", and he gets shocked for a few seconds, foreshadowing what he was really watching on his computer.

[@trinitylivingston1286]

I mean, that doesn't really foreshadow much. At that point, you could assume he was looking at normal porn and didn't want anyone to know. I know what happens at the end of the episode though, just saying.

[@ollydyer3082]

Radiohead literally makes the ending scene

[@sttveronica]

Olly Dyer so fucking true

[@omarsabir1210]

Its reminded me of westworld's ending

[@shadycatgames1405]

Lol yes

[@bluepinata]

I love this analysis. I don't think the end is necessarily supposed to make you "hate" Kenny. It's throwing your preconceptions into the blender. It's making you question whether otherwise "good" people, or at least humans you could otherwise sympathize with, have dark evils inside them. It made me question myself. What if the darkest depths of my own personality or perversions were exposed for all to see? The things that are so private to us we maybe don't even admit to ourselves, don't identify with? Especially when thinking in relation to pornography, it is so easy to avoid thinking of it as taking an active role. This same commentary is brought up in other episodes of Black Mirror - the twisted voyeurism of the girl in White Bear and the twitter users of Hated in the Nation who did not hold themselves accountable for the vigilante deaths that they hashtagged in support of. Perhaps we could imagine that Kenny, like many of us, thought that because he was "only watching" and not participating that he could escape the blame of being an active participant. But of course if we assume this is real child porn, that means real children were abused for it to be made. Are we a bit like Kenny in our own ways? By viewing "anonymously," we have a false sense of not being active participants when really, we still are.

[@wherethetatosat]

Criminally underrated comment here.

[@ihate2danimationprofiles895]

bluepinata most comments are, "the ending shocked me" yours was an incredible analysis,probably better than the video itself

[@KookiesNolly]

here's a cookie 🍪 don't be shy, take it, you deserve it

[@KookiesNolly]

Reygan Nelson I don’t care! It’s not even for you. I am not giving you any cookie 😡

[@cheekypasta55]

Holy shit dude. This comment blew my fucking mind. One of the best internet comments I’ve ever read in my life. Tip my cap to you good sir. Or ma’am haha.

[@esyphillis101]

This episode reminded me a lot of the movie Nerve (2016) only this was more effectively disturbing.

[@TheAmeliaFortes]

Marcus Chang i was thinking the same thing!!!

[@nkirukaj2384]

I like that movie

[@nukmanharith1077]

Nerve is nothing compared to this masterpiece

[@XOXOMARI-wt5ut]

The episode "white bear" kinda reminded me more

[@claradxnt]

Kenny is portrayed as a decent, innocent and overall nice person. He seems to be extra sensitive, hence why he flips out so drastically over the messages and the threat of his video being leaked. The writers are genius for doing this, because it effectively makes the viewer sympathise and root for Kenny to stop his video being leaked. However, the twist comes at the final moment and we realise Kenny does deserve to be caught and exposed, so we feel instantly bad and guilty ourselves for supporting a paedophile. This episode is by far my favourite, mainly because it holds suspense, but also I love how ironic the whole concept is. The hackers use troll faces as a way of delivering the moral and want to teach the “victims” not to take their lives for granted. However, us viewers also receive our own troll faces towards the end as we realise we’ve been manipulated and tricked into supporting Kenny the whole time. It just goes to show how easily we can be manipulated as a society by the influence of technology and our unawareness of it.

[@robertpresley1503]

i feel like the blackmailers made him do so many increasingly illegal things is because the punishment for having child porn isn't really the most severe, so they want him to have a worse track record than he would if they just leaked the video.

[@JohnDoe-tp5jj]

robert presley yup exactly what I thought as well.

[@benjaminjmcneill]

I dunno, armed robbery in British prisons is a pretty respected crime. Pedophilia, on the other hand....

[@zeptczbackup1681]

The more that watch the higher the demand the more that are hurt

[@seabass8242]

Stigma on Paedophilia is way worse in the UK. Criminals get beat up and killed in prison by other criminals for being Paedophiles.

[@DW51380]

Dingle Barry so they know first hand the impact it has on a child and still choose to carry the cycle on and inflict that upon another child, yeah they can all get shot

[@SL-ul3yr]

When they introduced Hector, an adult who had done something much worse than what I thought Kenny did, I thought that the episode would end with the two of them being forced to choose one of them to die and that Hector would kill Kenny because Kenny had less to lose, since all he did was look at (what I assumed was normal) porn. I thought that the hackers were just monsters using Kenny as an easy target because he's a scared teenager. Then the other pedophile asked "How young were they?" and I realized that the entire narrative had been manipulating me from the start. The use of trollface was solid, as well. I disagree with you about Kenny's actions being harmless though. If there was no audience for child porn, it wouldn't be made. Kenny is part of the audience and by contributing to demand, he is enabling supply, which makes his actions quite harmful. I also am skeptical that he would have gone his whole life never actually abusing a child himself; indulging his desires by looking at the images would just further normalize it in his mind, and maybe get him worked up until he feels the need to find his own victim to experience the real thing, I think. Also: what the hell was he thinking, googling "malware removal" and just downloading the first thing that popped up? That had me yelling at the TV almost as much as the big reveal.

[@DantesInferno96]

You had me at "the use of trollface was solid". The episode trolled us.

[@JeithKarrett]

if you search malware removal you'll just get a bunch of malware lmao

[@davidmartin2631]

He doesnt contribute to demand if he isnt buying it.

[@saruboss18]

"I also am skeptical that he would have gone his whole life never actually abusing a child himself; indulging his desires by looking at the images would just further normalize it in his mind, and maybe get him worked up until he feels the need to find his own victim to experience the real thing, I think." not defending his actions but thats like saying if i play murder games like GTA 5, i might find it easier to murder people in real life.

[@MiyaMam948]

@@saruboss18 no because _"it"_ involves real people whom have been forced to do this real _children_ it is not fiction, it is not fake, so the GTA thing is not a valid comparison

[@MattJames1958]

"Wasn't actually hurting anybody". You might want to rephrase that

[@rpvofficiel2184]

i know it's very disgusting but yes he wasn't. and don't deserve that .

[@alzndjsnsmwjsj8227]

Saying he wasn't directly hurting anybody might be a better way to phrase it, I still agree with the overall point that the hackers' treatment of Kenny and those close to him is unjust and an awful way to handle the situation. The voice of Kenny's poor mother at the end (really good acting) especially made me hate the hackers.

[@Yuhyuhuh]

When I first watched it I didn't catch that Kenny was a pedo. I just thought at the end he shaking his head in disagreement with the other pedo when he said "how young were they"

[@jesuschristonabike8878]

Same. Although, the fact that I missed it only made his mum screaming at him on the phone even more powerful when I did realise.

[@cassandracano7675]

same! everyone says they knew when the guy asked how young they were but i didnt get it. it made the phone call sooo intense for me

[@soph_gm8]

I knew in the beginning when he had a lingering stare towards the kid in the restaurant

[@jj_1167]

Robot Ronnie same

[@jj_1167]

Robot Ronnie until I watched this episode

[@DaveyBowles]

Great video, but a couple points to be made 1- Hector was being blackmailed with the escort website he visited, not videos of him sleeping with escorts 2- Kenny won the fight at the end. It was a fight to the death with only one person walking away. So he now walks away guilty of viewing illegal images, bank robbery and manslaughter.

[@inukshukentertainment6643]

He had to kill that guy in the end or he would've been killed.

[@rus778]

Kill or be killed

[@DmanDice]

Inukshuk Entertainment its still manslaughter. Murder 2nd degree.

[@korykent5645]

@@inukshukentertainment6643 no, he could've just went home, let the video be distributed and serve far less time than he'll have to now with bank robbery and murder

[@GirlDo3]

@@korykent5645 yea like he's a minor, it was life or his reputation

[@h-tothe-e7905]

This made me rethink my life

[@shattynatty27]

Zeneva ʘ‿ʘ how did conservative religious group lobby for terminology changes in DSM? The DSM is published by the American Psychological Association, which is a private entity

[@Brandon-rq3ys]

Zeneva ʘ‿ʘ You mean "copy and paste"?

[@MrCholoPants3415]

Lolnowaht awm It's just basic DSM-V and psychology knowledge. He's probably a psych student, or someone who has a mental disorder themselves (depression, anxiety) and became interested in researching the DSM-V and psychology itself. It's a pretty fun topic to read up on (not pedophilia, but psychology) even if you're not inherently interested in it.

[@thisisFMCT]

WOW, but think of this. Does a pedophile choose to like kids or is he unable to help it? God knows their lives would be a heck of a lot easier if they just loved a normal adult. And wouldn't pedophiles be easier to identify if instead of offering bullets to the head they where offered mental treatment so they wouldn't be scared to come out to the public. Maybe that way kids would be safer

[@agent-sz2qj]

i personally think that empathy could easily prevent pedophiles to commit their crimes, it will be a burden on their shoulders to resist their desires, but everyone has some burden in his life

[@Danilego]

When I saw the title I was expecting a Party Rock type apocalypse or something. This episode completely blew me away

[@gagecat]

This episode and Nosedive me actually fucked me up LOL. I like couldn't sleep after those two episodes.

[@davidjamesh32494]

why nosedive? lol just wondering

[@CT-nb5lm]

Nosedive bothered me too..... Reason= because I see sooo many people like this girl.. So disconnected from reality,,so into People/Cosmopolitan,celebreity gossip BS.. Esp in my town..Yuppie central..But the schools my wife says...ugh! *That episode also bothered me because how much of society is like this.. *I actually blame all this nonsense going on in our media today with racial,gender equality etc on people seeking status...The protesting is a majority of college/middle aged people who are the same as the people they are protesting against, but they are pretending,lying that they aren't like that... *imo I believe most people who are classified as closet racist/haters of anykind really aren't and reacted outta emmediate compassion or anger to a situation... something we all do or have done in 1 area or another...so hypocrital POV's isn't something I take lightly... then again I try not to hate anyone.

[@MrBlast14]

Nosedive is the only episode where it felt good at the end of watching it

[@Godivarealness]

Stein San Junpiero had a nice ending as well 😊 atleast i think

[@HolyWisdom93]

Nosedive wasn’t that good Playtest is much better.

[@lxlcaesarlxl]

I should have figure out the twist from the scene where he gives the little girl her toy. Every scene means something in Black Mirror and that was foreshadowing

[@mikuplays-k1p]

Black mirror is one of the best tv series I’ve watched in a while

[@luv3bud]

Edge *ever

[@beingofstrange]

my favourite show was twilight zone and black mirror really gives me the same feels : ) top 3 show forsure, hope they make more

[@Lovely-ce6kg]

And dexter

[@stop5907]

fax

[@dsears76]

it would be better if every episode wasnt done already by another source...

[@MegaFafnir]

The scariest part of the episode to me is how smugly SADISTIC the blackmailer is indicated to be. This unseen figure clearly relishes being able to terrify, torment and control people. It's really not about "righting wrongs", because the blackmailer makes Kenny and the others commit MORE wrongs, like robbery and murder. Whatever these people originally did, there's a difference between proper delivery of justice and just playing a big cruel fixed game with the accused. It kind of reminds me of the Sherlock Holmes story about Milverton, the "king of blackmailers". Even after encountering so many murderers and criminals, Sherlock has more disgust for Milverton than any of them. Food for thought.

[@saintkayleepain]

I get ur point but robbing a bank and killing a fellow pedo? Seems ok

[@Mia-es6bb]

Pedophiles generally dont get a lot of time inprision for their crimes, so you can look at this being a means of assuring he gets time for all those he hurt.

[@MegaFafnir]

@@Mia-es6bb I'm not saying child molestation isn't bad - I'm just saying that blackmailing someone into committing crimes is ALSO wrong and we can't ignore that.

[@CrucialParodies]

Well, yeah it would be wrong if the crimes were dangerous. The bank robbery was done with a pistol that had no bullets in it, and the fight was between two pedophiles so regardless the murder would happen to either one of them who deserve to die. Notice how only the pedophiles are forced to fight each other to the death, the guy looking for a prostitute or the woman with racist emails were simply just used for advancing the eventual fight between the pedos.

[@justanothermortal1373]

Yeah I agree. The blackmailer is sort of like the secret psychopath in the episode.

[@johneduchene6532]

This Rick and Morty episode was FUCKED up.

[@hkqtt]

this deserves more likes lol

[@stayforthepeelpronpls4774]

I’ve literally come to this directly after watching the episode and I’m literally just 😟

[@angel-gu8co]

i was with you until you said kenny wasn't harming anyone. assuming he was watching/looking at stuff meant for what he was doing and not just regular photos of kids, he is contributing to the consumption of that content, and therefore giving the creator more incentive to hurt more children.

[@joelthepizzawizard493]

angel oof

[@Carltoncurtis1]

Wrong. People who make all forms pornography do it for themselves and their own gratification. Even if it was the 1970’s and there was no way to share video/pics, people would film sexual things anyway.

[@mailannguyenvietova8164]

angel But you can't know he was looking at child porn. They say he was looking at pictures which, with the amount of time he was typing, were probably just some google images of kids. Not saying it's okay, but it would mean no children had to be harmed.

[@jonsnor4313]

Except we dond see him giving them money, he could pirate it. Its not great but he didtt harm anyone actively. And he did need lo let some steam of which may saved him from doing something stupid outside.

[@MikeNewton]

That is a widely spread myth. Also, not all cp involves hurting children, like the Ukrainian studio that got raided in 2004 shot just young girls in the nude in agreed upon settings after negotiating with their parents. The harder material is produced by people trying to justify their actions and the FBI has by now dealt with most of that. This logic is also like "gun manufacturers are contributing to school shootings". Yeah, in a way but that doesn't make them liable for murder.

[@BRANDT9877]

Just finished watching The End of the Fucking World and didn't realize it was the same actor until I saw this video haha.

[@SodaPopBot]

Ahh, thought he seemed familiar

[@margaritam.9118]

Ironically, it features a scene where his character gets harassed by a middle-aged pedophile.

[@thetoastedplum]

How ? It’s not like many people look like him

[@superedgy9951]

BRANDT9877 in black mirror he looks like a soft small, but also a pervert teen. In The End Of The Fucking World he looks like a harsh depressed emo dude. He really is a great actor

[@tag665]

Me neither till this comment ahaha 😂

[@nacenacenace]

Pee pee in the poo poo😜😱

[@Callum_2613]

Antoine Barquet she was a CEO of a hotel company

[@heythereimholly1090]

It’s still less horrifying than being a pedophile

[@Freakybananayo]

Honestly though, all it takes is a formal apology and after a couple of months everything's back to normal. Especially when you're the CEO. of course though it depends how bad the emails were but in real life I imagined it would not even get her fired.

[@dystopia-incognito]

@@Freakybananayo not anymore though, it seems.

[@chrisrey8964]

@Unique08 no. I'd rather be know as a racist over being known for pedophilia. And I ain't white lol

[@Pherioxus]

If you looked at Kenny's e-mails you could see that he had been planning on buying a camera, this implies that Kenny was already starting to escalate in his disgusting endeavors, considering he also works at a fast food restaurant where there are a lot of children pretty often, and that he goes out of his way to build trust with them; this means he didn't just want to consume CP, he wanted to make it. I also find it notable that this episode was published at the height of multiple huge dark web Cyber Chomo Rings being exposed and their most notable members and owners be arrested, such as Peter Scully, Richard Huckle, Matthew David Graham, Shannon McCoole and Eric Marques. No doubt the creators of this episode based Kenny on Matthew Graham and if not, then coincidences with this show have happened before (The National Anthem).

[@alexs.5871]

"He wasn't actually hurting anybody" He was though, without viewers those horrible films wouldn't get made, afterall.

[@elitestick]

He wasn't paying for the porn. It was already floating out there. There is no variable benefit to the added Kenny-view. This argument is retarded and wouldn't fly in any economic language

[@alexs.5871]

How do you know he wasn't paying? Furthermore, we're not paying to watch KZbin videos, are we? Yet they still get made and people still make money off them.

[@elitestick]

The kid is not even a full-fledged adult, empirical testing on his demographic and basic common sense would make the assumption safe to make. If you are afraid he will eventually turn into someone who pays for such things, maybe deal with the source of the problem (immaturity, mental issues, etc). Porn images (different than videos) are usually not paid by the view because in our case the money would have to come from advertisements and in the case of images you can't count that accurately. Sure, there are cases against both assumptions, but you shouldn't focus on these outliers you should take what's most probable and find the best solution

[@xINF4MOUSx97]

Why is everyone forgetting that he looked at pictures? He didn't watch any videos.

[@BIBIisBOREDXD]

honestly i think alex might have meant something more like 'someone had to be hurt for kenny to have access to that photo' or at least thats more accurate to say, because while kenny himself did not go out and hurt anyone, someone had to be hurt for him to enjoy his kiddie porn

[@EnLaLuna23]

But technically, Kenny is benefitting off the exploitment and torture of children

[@rafaelrubio4443]

Yeaa and I still feel bad for him. I mean its a horrible thing but, was it really necesary that kind of torture? wouldnt it make more sense if the hackers attacked the ones making the child porn?

[@jennyfab312]

He got what he deserved. CP and the people that watch it all deserve horrible, torturous deaths. Yeah, the peeps that make are horrible people. But they wouldn't make it if nobody watched it. There are disgusting people out there that are the audience for this crap. I wish all pedos would die this way

[@shmooglecommentanalysisalg3232]

+Jennifer Ramirez the trolls obviously saw the child porn too otherwise they wouldn't know that Kenny could get in trouble for what he was watching. yet as far as we know they never saw justice, they could have jerked off as many times as they wanted or shared it with as many people as they wanted, but their anonymity automatically makes them the good guy? Also where are the studies saying that without demand there would be no child porn can you link them? Or at least tell me what the logic is because I don't see it. There is a demand for lots of awful/illegal stuff: When Obama was president a lot of Republicans said they'd be happy if they saw a video of his head getting chopped off. Murdering is illegal especially the president, yet if some crazy fuck actually did find and behead Obama, would we blame these Republicans for saying they'd be happy to see it? Because that's the exact logic you're using with Kenny It doesn't make sense. Getting rid of a demand for something is impossible, penalizing people who supply something illegal simply because there is demand is much more workable. What about mass shooters getting media attention and having their crazy videos shared all over? This surely creates a demand by sickos to see even more of this stuff, and even promotes more shooters who wanna get famous, and as far as American law is concerned news outlets and anyone with an internet connection can legally view/share these files of sociopaths mowing people down (take the Vegas shooting as a prime and recent example) Also, gore and snuff films arguably have a much higher demand and a far higher number of people willing to supply these types of videos, yet it's not regulated at all. all you have to do is type "gore" into Google images and instantly be met with real life murders, tortures, rapes, and tons of fucked up shit like that, and the statistics indicate that murders tortures and rapes are far more common of a crime than child porn, so why is it so much easier and basically legal to Google a far more common crime that kills and hurts many more than child porn? If Kenny had instead watched "2 guys 1 hammer" he would have ended up watching a man being stabbed repeatedly in the face with a screwdriver and beaten in and out of consciousness with a hammer by 2 young boys (completely real) and he never would have been in trouble for anything, because you can still easily find "2 guys 1 hammer" on Google (don't look it up). I bring this up because it really points out your flaw in your supply and demand theory, because some dude on the internet ACTUALLY paid these young boys to videotape murders of multiple people and post it online, there was a real demand for this type of video, and still is, yet this video can be found by any 12 year old dumb enough to look it up, and that 12 year old could in theory enjoy it or jerk off to it without ever facing any punishment.

[@Avengedtenfold]

Classic childhood lesson: Two wrongs don't make a right. CP is awful and the people who watch it need help, be it mental or being helped into a cell, but it doesn't excuse what he was then exploited to do; Robbing a bank and then killing a man.

[@goofyjj]

Shmoogle Comment Analysis Algorithm Version 3.3 TL:DR

[@ellaboehme6748]

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: Exit Music in this episode is the best use of music in TV

[@cassandravanmeter304]

Yes!!! I watched this on a plane and I absolutely BROKE DOWN into tears when the song played

[@RavenBaxter]

“We see several other slaves” *Switches to a black Man*

[@billylewis539]

*one of the only other slaves in the episode*

[@dystopia-incognito]

Jeez not everything is race, he just happens to not be white, calm down pc police.

[@paytonjeffery6772]

Ffs haha I shouldn’t have laughed so hard

[@aniyahlawrence8356]

Nathalia Archer lol I think it was a joke

[@eddieharding6788]

"or robots" Switches back to white boi

[@makepienotwar00]

I just remembered the scene where he gave a kid her toy back. I was wondering why they had to show all that but wow

[@Robin-sq3be]

Holy shit right !!! :0

[@Lopata991]

Am i the only one pissed off cuz he didn't lock his bike on the roof??

[@edwardhernandez6668]

Yeah I thought that as well.

[@fvstplvnt]

Probably the last thing he’s thinking about though

[@Freakybananayo]

@@fvstplvnt true but at the same time if someone believes things will go back to normal eventually they are going to hold on to the things that are theirs, in my opinion the only time someone would just discard their expensive stuff is in a survival situation.

[@AnirudhBalakrishnan777]

He pissed his pants,robbed a bank and killed a man and when all is over, MeMe FaCe. That ending was so powerful

[@CymruJedi]

Worth the wait. Your videos are absolute quality.

[@geggeg3110]

Bruh starkiller are you a communist i mean i am but im not a jedi soooo yeah

[@JourneyToJourneyman]

I'm a simple man, I see a Black Mirror analysis, and I click on the video

[@peachimeachi8170]

PotatoesAreGood :3 Of course

[@annaskill5500]

Same! It's a facinating show and it's always interesting to hear what other people noticed and think about the content!

[@JohnSmith-mz2zo]

This comment works on 2 levels.

[@marielgracerussaneeclavea2865]

I'm an intentional person, I search Black mirror analysis and click HMC first

[@jasonwillows5239]

"We see many other slaves" *Shows black guy* That was unfortunate timing, lmao

[@user-zm5jh3vp7l]

I couldnt take the ending seriously because of the troll face

[@connorbroderick7148]

I thought the troll face was perfect. It really drove it home to me that this situation could happen in real life. Maybe not quite so extreme, but it made me believe that some of the trolls I met on the internet really would do this just for their own personal amusement if they could. I mean people have called swat teams on streamers that have resulted in deaths just for their amusement (not that the troll thought it would go that far).

[@franziska9260]

I freaked out at that face

[@DinoCoke]

I was fucking shitting myself when I realised that the hackers were going to leak the videos either way. They played it like everything was going to be fine when the old dude watched his kid sleeping but then the trollface.... I instantly knew what the fuck was up.

[@grizzlygoldman]

This was so good until you said that watching child porn isn't actually hurting anybody. Just, jesus christ dude. Wtf.

[@cHeStEr5434]

To be fair, the only information we were ever given is that he was "looking at kids." There's never a mention of child pornography, only that Kenny looked at imagery of young children that was on his laptop. There is enough legal imagery you can find online of minors, so there is a possibility he never committed a criminal act until he tried robbing the bank.

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

I think it was actual child porn though, since I think the mother said at the end his sister found it on his laptop, this also makes sense as when she goes to borrow his laptop he gets really defensive. Watching child porn is ultimately illegal, and downloading it and watching it is what keeps the demand for it up. However, I'm more of the opinion that these people need help and therapy more so than being locked away forever. As we do this already and it doesn't work.

[@cHeStEr5434]

From what I recall, the reason he got angry with his sister for borrowing his laptop was because she infected it with malware. He therefore downloads anti-malware software, which allows the hacker to seize control of his device. That said, another possibility is that the hacker just wanted to set him up and mess with him. If I were a kid and someone was gonna send a video of me masturbating to everyone I knew, I'd probably feel compelled to do what they say. In the scene where Kenny masturbates, he only types around 10 characters into a search engine. Now, I've never looked up child pornography, but I've read up enough about the Deep Web to know that you have to do much more digging than that. As a viewer, I was able to feel bad for Kenny, because I felt that that situation could happen to anyone. I mean the hackers sent a freakin' troll face in the end, it's not like they're truly fighting for justice.

[@spoicydeemer985]

everyones brain is wired differently, not everyone will share your 'morals'

[@jaden5843]

This sjw shit can be so lame, she just disagreed with that statement that consuming child porn doesn’t hurt anyone.

[@joesubel]

The ending as the camera zooms slowly in on his face illuminated by the lights from the police cars, the muffled siren sounds in the background as the Radiohead song swells in volume. Damn good storytelling.

[@willdg4581]

I think that the episode shows a grey area of justice since the hackers are just as bad as Kenny because Kenny watches people suffering for his own enjoyment but so do the hackers making 2 people fight to the death for their own enjoyment. That's why I hate when people call the hackers heroes since they are just as evil.

[@DW51380]

william driscoll-geeves *2 peadophiles* there's a difference and none of them deserved to win

[@avatarreusi.2509]

Dale .w You are still fucked in the head if you find enjoyment while seeing one Person kill another.

[@DW51380]

Avatarreus I. SPOILER ALERT, they don't actually die It's a tv series you melt, get off the internet if you can't watch simple acting without getting offended. And I take great enjoyment in hearing about dead peadophiles as it's one less nonce in the world to worry about

[@avatarreusi.2509]

I am talking about the hackers or people in general that find excitement in seeing a person get killed. I am sorry if that wasnt clear. And of course its different to be reliefed about a pedophiles death that could cause harm then to search for videos where a person gets killed.

[@DW51380]

Avatarreus I. Yeah it's bad, when you put it in the context of it being two peadophiles and more of a positive to the world than a bad thing of them blackmailing someone

[@Blackenese7]

Should have stuck to 2D girls

[@andrewnovak1390]

not funny. child pornography is child pornography, animated or not

[@Sean27007]

yeah yeah stfu andrew. Would you rather have these messed up people hurting your children or just wanking it up to some random image/videos over the internet?

[@omarsabir1210]

@@andrewnovak1390 the sad thing is most of hentai porn every girl looks 12 or 10 I don't understand why people watch that.

[@rosaventura8076]

@@A.S.28 I think it's better to Jack off to *hentai* then little innocent girls if you ask me

[@adwans1491]

Stuck to pics Not vid

[@ionaf9]

When I first watched it I thought that Kenny might be 16/17, therefore Kenny's video would be classed as child pornography and I thought the twist might relate to this somehow. Turns out it just twisted the opposite direction.

[@spencerashcroft847]

At the end was the guy he had to kill watching child porn aswell? Or nah

[@cliffordcooke3203]

Spencer Ashcroft yeah the guys said he "just looked at some pictures too" then asked how old implying that he looked at the same things as Kenny

[@Kunumbah1]

Cliffo 12 I predicted that the guy at the end was a pedophile before he said “how old” but I thought him asking Kenny if he was a pedophile was just a misunderstanding. 30 seconds later.... Well Shit 😐

[@jamieleethomson9065]

i’m pretty sure it’s set in the uk so if he was 16/17 then it wouldn’t be classed as child pornography

[@jamieleethomson9065]

like his video wouldn’t be classed as child pornography, not the videos he was watching

[@Danilego]

This episode left me speechless. Maybe the most genius part was making the characters so likeable throughout the episode! Makes you empathize with them, hope for a happy ending... which I guess we got, in a very twisted, unexpected sort of way.

[@yellinghayfire4935]

13:36 HOLY FUCK were they trying to mirror Kenny's pedophila with his boss's flirting with a young childlike employee? holy shit

[@abigailc6326]

Yelling Hayfire I thought the same thing! I began to wonder if I was the only person who thought the boss looked quite a bit older than Kenny, and her flirting was unsettling

[@LouisOnAir]

I think it definitely was vigilante justice, but is that justified? Also Hector has kids so it was a crewel joke from the hackers to pair him up with Kenny. His crime wasn't as bad (prostitution) which would explain why he got to go home before the fight and was only the getaway driver, not the robber. Kenny is also never able to quite do something right: he must abandon his bike, enter the pin twice and piss himself. These minor inconveniences really emphasise how he's at odds to the whole world. I'm pretty sure Kenny killed the guy in the woods because the hackers deemed paedophilia worthy of death (and not a mental illness). The punishments seem to be an eye for an ear, of course it's debatable which one is of more value. About he guy giving Kenny cake, I wonder what his crime was because he got off the easiest it seems but that night was called a pervert by his family. Overall, a lot to chew on and question its justification.

[@susanalopez5052]

Louis Hypothetical I was always under the impersion that the guy with the cake was probably gay, idk why that thought came to mind, I'd have to rewatch the whole episode to be sure

[@poontang3zizo]

The cake guy probably watched some animal porn. Perverted af but nowhere close to pedophilia

[@mylamename14]

I always assumed that Hector was likely seeing underage prostitutes. Maybe even children prostituted through human trafficking? I wouldn't think he would "deserve" such vicious punishment otherwise. But maybe that's my own belief seeping in that consensual sex work is just as legitimate as any other job.

[@tiresias3342]

His crime was cheating on his wife with a prostatute

[@Popcultureguy3000]

Brandonius Brando If you don't give potential sex criminals some kind of private and preventative treatment things will just get worse for our children.

[@thedragon9326]

One other thing that I think is worth mentioning is how when the four victims' actions are leaked, none of them say anything when they're being confronted. It's as if they've now shut up like the title says to.

[@Ceade_]

THE LESSON IS THAT USE THE TOR BROWSER AND FUCK WEBCAMS

[@orangeusername1792]

Nightshade i always duct tape my cameras

[@mako9968]

Orange Username same, i double taped it

[@invalide]

spidey sis since they would see through a layer of duct tape

[@jesse85]

Or you know, don't watch child porn.

[@d3line]

The guy's computer got hacked, tor doesn't help with that. The lesson is to educate yourself about computer security

[@rosswatson3758]

Sir Bronn of the Blackwater

[@Mariam-nn2rq]

Ross Watson Sir Bronn of the Black Mirror

[@tcjester89]

When they hack his phone, the first thing he does is drink, just like Bronn would do.

[@roninhunter429]

Ser*

[@cait22442]

literally when he got the call from his mum saying that he was looking at kids it reminded me when earlier on he gave gave that little girl the toy back. at the time it seemed so innocent and you would have never thought nothing of it but when you find out it was kids he was looking at just gives me chills it was so unexpected.

[@arandombard1197]

Should have microwaved his laptop immediately then claimed innocence to the police. Just say that the hackers put that data on his computer and that he is being framed. Considering he could prove they exists (afterall, it was the hackers who informed the police), he has enough plausible deniability to avoid the consequences.

[@MrMechanoise]

Random Ashe There's very little plausible deniability when you destroy the device you were accused of accessing illegal material on ;) they would just contact his ISP and get the details from there.

[@QuacksterThegraet]

MrMechanoise if he saw kiddie porn, he would probably have a VPN on, he could saw he was pirating and could get a lesser sentence if at all

[@Lowkey-NoPressure]

If they have a video of him jerkin' it, couldn't they also have audio, and couldn't the audio be sourced to a particular CP video? Would that be enough to prosecute someone, I wonder?

[@arandombard1197]

Just claim that he could clearly see that the hackers were trying to frame him and that he was panicing. Again, it doesn't have to be completely believable, it just needs to provide reasonable doubt in a courtroom setting. Can a jury say, with a 95+% level of confidence that the blackmailers aren't also framing him?

[@arandombard1197]

He mentioned it was 'just a picture' so probably not. He could just claim that the video of him jacking off was to regular porn and they they have just edited it together with the illegal content. As far as the world is aware, he is just some nice kid who has never committed a crime or done anything suspicious. The hackers are proven blackmailers who hide behind screens and would refuse to arrive in person to defend their evidence. Again, he just needs plausible deniability.

[@superxsam3512]

all he had to do was delete all his contacts

[@user-jn8cs1lt8m]

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING

[@TheAmazingHerosquad]

Chances are the hackers would've copied all the information in the first place. A literal ctrl c ctrl v

[@kylestyyle987]

Confounded and mildly disturbed by the amount of comments voicing unconditional support for the hackers in this episode. Obviously consuming CP is horrible, indefensible, and Kenny should serve time. But they put him in a position where he has to kill another pedophile or have his pedophilia revealed to everyone in his life. I thought it was pretty clear that the hackers weren't motivated by justice or criminal deterrence, but by gross vindictiveness and enjoyment, like a blood sport. It's not a black and white issue; both Kenny and the hackers' actions are despicable, and just because one party is in the wrong doesn't mean the other is in the right. I think the episode is confronting the people that say "All pedophiles deserve the worst possible death" with a conceivable horrific reality of what that might look like and calling their bluff.

[@wesalakbari5152]

You are very smart

[@TigerBears11]

kylestyyle987 all of what you are saying is true, but with that being said he absolutely deserved to have his actions exposed. Had the hackers simply provided proof as to what Kenny had been looking at to people that Kenny knows they would have been justified, as people like that deserve to be exposed.

[@salmonsaladsandwich8161]

The hackers didn't choose who to troll because they were bad people, they chose them because people need to have done bad things to be blackmailed.

[@Aristocratic13]

+Salmon Saladsandwich that makes no sense

[@vividhit]

For all the people feeling bad for Kenny. He was a pedophile, I'm not talking about 13 or 15 year olds. It is clearly little KIDS, like her mother shouts in the end. That kind of KIDS he gives the toy in the beginning. So yeah, he deserved it all. Its sickening to see you even feel sorry for him. On the other hand, the man who cheated on his wife, yes he is an asshole. But considering the possible aftermath(losing his kids), he didn't deserve it.

[@ihate2danimationprofiles895]

vividhit He didn't deserve it, It's not Like he was Kevin Spacey

[@xskavxa437]

I feel sorry for him because a. he can't choose his affliction and b. he didn't abuse a child. He should've got help.

[@xskavxa437]

I wonder how you would react if you started getting attracted to kids when you were a teen. Would you tell your parents and seek medical help? Or would you be fuckin scared for life and resort to porn? What the episode made me realize is that there are problably lots of ppl in the same place as kenny, and if society was a bit less stupid we would ensure these people were given treatment as it's not their choice to feel what they feel (ps. I'm talking about non-commiting pedophiles, those who abuse children should be taken account by their action harshly.)

[@thorgefalk3575]

thx Victor! vividhit: empathy and love are the cure.

[@ehsteve231]

Idk, there's a big difference between having a psychological affliction and completely resisting the temptation to act on it vs watching porn vs actually abusing and hurting children. Had he been in the third category, I say he deserved all of this and worse, but he's not. Obviously children are being hurt and violated to create the videos he was watching; he deserves some form of punishment for supporting some of the most vile and despicable shit on this planet, but this was psychological torture at the hands of immature sociopaths. At Kenny's stage I think mandatory therapy and rehabilitation would be an appropriate response, so yeah, I kinda felt bad for him. Maybe think about how it would feel to realize you have the most reviled and hated affliction in the fucking world when you're like 17 years old?

[@masteriangamer]

I just discovered your channel yesterday, and now today you're uploading the next analysis! Perfect timing!

[@zozov.3223]

Also, if i'm not mistaken, when he's speaking to the child in the beginning, the song "That's The Way I Like It" plays in the background.