Black Ops 4 Zombies Was A Mess

[@benwardenburg3819]

The saddest part of the ending of the aether story is that our characters never got the good ending they deserved, just an end to the painful cycle they experienced again and again.

[@heavenspace3441]

No it wasn’t painful, they got to return to their old lives. Nikolai returned to his wife. Tf you mean

[@particul4rmusic]

@@heavenspace3441 wrong. They all died. When sam and Eddie are walking you hear what they want but it doesn't happen

[@tiredblue_]

@@particul4rmusic they most likely went to bocw

[@particul4rmusic]

@@tiredblue_ no. Only sam and Eddie did that we know of

[@particul4rmusic]

But they could have we dont know fully

[@JackTheBus]

great review Tim, but saying "BO4 was trash because it didn't include a Jerry Seinfeld cameo" seems a bit harsh

[@thesecurist1701]

Pretty sus saying Great Review After 8 min :D

[@LastGenRichtofenn]

@@thesecurist1701 ur hallucinating he definitely watched the whole review

[@John-Doe-Yo]

@@thesecurist1701yes

[@nickdotjpg]

Another annoying Fantano fan

[@Bluntex420]

Fuck b04 just ass ppl would play it

[@miguelperez9906]

It’s good to hear from Tim every once in a while

[@sawadatsuna9569]

It's always good

[@animaniacs538]

I don’t even play zombies, Tim just makes good videos that never disappoint.

[@LILcrabgoat]

Every once a year

[@jacobnunner1769]

I’m in love with Tim

[@gamingwithdrgoblin]

Doubt it will last. :(

[@NerosCinema]

I have like 5 days played in BO4 Zombies, which isn't a ton, but still I had 0 idea any of this was happening or why it was happening. Zombies is so confusing lol

[@Zombie-lo6il]

Sup Nero

[@TroutTruck]

The manchild himself

[@young5395]

Yeah I just watched a 6hr recap to understand the story.

[@personhuman2239]

@@young5395 it's closer to 7 hours lmao

[@lilcyolo]

They didn’t even fully check and fix there own cutscenes before letting them out. Like in IX the weird shadow dude with the halberd just blinks out of existence for like 30 frames but the axe is still there.

[@NotGemineye]

“There could be a black ops 6..” this aged well

[@oak7741]

ur acting like there’s a world where they don’t milk it all the way to black ops 36

[@henrry7362]

Gonna be back here in like 50 years so I can like that bo36 comment😂😂

[@thalookkilla]

i was just about to comment this lmao

[@jacksonchastain656]

And I was gonna buy it too until H2M happened

[@Yetha148]

@@henrry7362haha real

[@VanTheMan18]

I also appreciate the duality of the map titles between Nacht and Tag, but I also love how the trophy for completing Tag’s Easter egg is called “Salvation Lies Above” and the description says “In Tag Der Toten, Ascend From Darkness.” Since those were the two messages scrawled on the walls in Nacht

[@SocksFCGameArchives]

And also how Nacht Der Untoten is Night of the Undead and how Tag Der Toten is Day of the Dead

[@micklane7306]

It's just too bad it doesn't make any sense since our heroes never got to ascend and just died.

[@ToadTWE]

Despite how the game was at launch, I find bo4 to be a guilty pleasure of mine. I know it’s not as good as the previous titles, but I still find fun running around doing the IX Easter egg(except the skull step screw the skull step.) I feel like people would like bo4 more if the perk system was exclusive to the Chaos storyline.

[@i.d.9754]

I honestly really liked the perk system. Made you really find out what you prioritize and what you don't For example: I run Dying wish, Bandolier Bandit/Quick Revive/PHD Slider/Winter's Wail, Deadshot Dealer/Ethereal Razor/Mule Kick, and Blood Wolf Bite/Victorious Tortoise

[@ToadTWE]

@@i.d.9754 same. It’s a good system. I just wish you could have more perks in bo4

[@jarezbear9502]

The perk system was better to be honest.

[@KadinNation]

I completely agree and I do aswell have a guilty pleasure for BO4

[@videogameman110]

I honestly loved BO4. Not just the zombies either. I loved playing multi-player too.

[@OcherGoose]

Tag der Toten was already hinted as the final Map of the aether in Revelations. There is a cypher talking about how they found a snowy and cold place where Monty can't watch them. There is also a truck in the origins part of the Map with an audio, if you listen to it, it's the coordinates of tag der toten.

[@Deathmare235]

There were many to be 2 maps after it well the one in the Great War is a prequel but the one in the dark aether is how they defeat Monty

[@Zombie-lo6il]

That’s Siberia

[@sirisaac6225]

@@Zombie-lo6il and? That is where tag is

[@qwuke_]

There could be a lot of places that would be cold and snowy ngl

[@doinkz7123]

@@Zombie-lo6il the forest is cold

[@Mimic_Gaming]

If Classified and 9 were the only launch maps, I’m almost certain zombies would be in a different place today

[@randomsh1t1471]

100% agreed

[@callumloader8713]

That would have helped, I still feel like activision messed up with the elixirs as microtransactions instead of gobble and then the perk system is brutal. I legit do not play a game of bo4 zombies without staminup as modifier. I try winter wail, dying wish, quick revive, victorious tortoise, etc, but I always find that if I wanna go far, I need stam in modifier. They didn’t remove crutch perks they just made new ones while making the first 10 rounds even more easy then they already were on bo1 for example

[@austinbevis4266]

The perk and preset system killed it for me. What I love about zombies is that you can play it and progress through the match, I don’t like having to start and stop games to unlock stuff

[@MrFusion]

@austin bevis fr, like the point of zombies is to grow more powerful as you go, starting with a really good gun + a wonder weapon kills the progression. Cold War made it worst in terms of starting guns, but at least they suck ass pretty quickly.

[@MrFusion]

@Callum loader yeah they just fucked everything up. Should've kept the game pretty much identical to bo3 in terms of mechanics and it would've been a home run. The maps are pretty good for the most part, and casuals would have an easier time as they're just overwhelmed with info upon starting the game with shit all over their screen.

[@thecardblazer7440]

I remember having a fun head cannon: since monty was no longer supporting the primis crew he didn't help with the gums (which were made using monty elixir) and I remember hearing that he moves the perks along with the crew each map so same there hence the new perk system

[@l0rd0f5k33p]

I’m not sure if Monty controlled the perks

[@chadlyyyy]

Even if Monty does or does not control the perks I think the change of perks works. Though I don’t like the system but story wise if the Kronorioum (sorry if I spelled that wrong) changed who knows what else could’ve changed. The Kronorium can talk about how all these perks came into existence now.

[@DreamDasic]

I don't think that was a head canon, as it was said shaw made the elixirs

[@102-d7i]

Perks were made by group 935, division 9, broken arrow etc

[@thecardblazer7440]

@user-ls3gv8mj3g right but it's been stated before (I forget where exactly) that monty is the one moving around the perk machines to help out the primis crew

[@XenonLegend]

I was so disappointed that blood of the dead had no afterlife ;(

[@violetdesiree601]

Wait how do you do the Easter egg then

[@Yxpolish22]

The primis crew isn’t in purgatory so It wouldn’t make sense to have afterlife

[@user_Z-]

I’m glad it didn’t. That’s one of the reasons Blood is better than Mob

[@Yxpolish22]

@@user_Z- blood > mob

[@xproflipscarab]

@@user_Z- Saying BOTD is better that MOTD is one of the shittest takes you could ever have and is objectively wrong on so many levels

[@Michael-vt3er]

Bo4 has the opposite problem to Cold War imo, the maps were interesting concepts but often poorly executed whereas Cold War's maps were well executed but limited in their success due to how safe and boring the concepts were. It can be seen with the engine's well, Bo4's engine was just plain bad and unnecessarily complicated and Cold War's was good but suffered from blurring the lines between zombies and multiplayer too much leading to the game mode feeling bland or unmemorable overall, idk just my opinion and love to see the quality content still coming out Tim

[@ToadTWE]

I get what you’re saying. The ideas in bo4 were amazing, but sadly Activision got greedy and rushed into Modern Warfare 2019 without letting Treyarch and Blundell make the game they wanted to

[@diemaschineistrash3791]

Facts I am scared for the future for zombies. Innovative maps with good gameplay should be the gold standard. Good eastereggs with potentially good boss battle, good hud, more creativity. Hopefully treyarch will deliver in 2024.

[@mrbleetoe]

Nah Bo4 was amazing, I completely disagree

[@ghostlegit]

Cold war is the best cod since black ops 2.

[@alexbasha0508]

You’re spot on. BO4 felt like the usual zombies we know and love, but was poor. While CWZ felt too much like Multiplayer/Warzone and was boring and soulless, but wasn’t exactly bad, but was very far from good.

[@pip5188]

I have spent countless hours on IX getting to high rounds with randoms while listening to music or podcasts, using ethereal razor with the modifier so I don't have to ever worry about ammo, constantly reviving the randoms with the Staff of Ra so they keep their perks every time, and even using specialist elixirs so i always have the staff. For this alone it's my favorite zombies

[@sasquatch.8]

Same I always carry randoms

[@calebstevens9446]

Buried also pretty much the best Solo zombies experience, wish they would’ve remastered it. But that’s what he said in the video, this zombie’s experience is turn your brain off and get to a high round (unless you want to do Easter eggs ofc) it wasn’t challenging what so ever and that’s what zombies had been built on for a decade atp, very weird shift imo. Having mechanical skill all of a sudden didn’t matter just If you had your specialist (which you always did), the self revive perk (made no sense to split it into two perks, quick revive had no issues just leave it as is) a wonder weapon, and any gun of your choosing (damn near no bad guns) packed a bunch of times. Nothing really mattered anymore, and a lot of people didn’t like that. But if you wanna not think playing zombies, this is the experience for you ie chilling while watching something or listening to something.

[@Windbend3r]

@@calebstevens9446 I have spent tons of hours listing to pods playing BO3 zombies.

[@noahcreel8717]

That’s so sad that’s why a zombie map is your favorite I feel so bad for the maps with thousands of more hours put into details, story and gameplay all for idiots like you to have that as your favorite😭😭😭 gave zero good things about the map. YOU JUST SAID YEAH I PLAYED IX ALOT SO ITS MY FAVORITEEEEE YAYYY IM SMART like wtf😂😂

[@rodrigogutierrez5422]

​@@sasquatch.8i know that feeling, in my case i hate/love bo4 it's actually confusing

[@raikerthedestroyer4092]

As a big mythology guy I love that after voyage they went nuts with the trearch spin on a bunch of myths and legends but the main problems with the aether maps are just a lot (A LOT) of mostly recycled things

[@darkroseky8117]

I love the fact that the Aether Story began with a map called Natch Der Untoten and ended with a map calledTag Der Toten.

[@brando8408]

Black ops 4 was a controversial game but I think we can all look back on it and think “at least it wasn’t Vanguard.” Black ops 4 aged relatively well. It changed a lot and there were some duds in terms of maps, but there was a lot of fun to be had still. Unlike Der Anfang

[@fewpew5787]

I'll drink to that. Hell, I'll drink to anything!

[@alexbasha0508]

BO4 zombies was infinitely better than Vanguard for sure

[@Deathmare235]

Or cw

[@FranticKtulu]

Cold war is far better than Vanguard lmao

[@gurkensohn9401]

@@FranticKtulu Really? Every single game is better than completely unfished low quality trash. However, BO4 shouldn't even be compared to something that bad but it's still so much better than Cold Trash.

[@RileyCoyote846]

I recently reinstalled BO4, despite having never actually played it back when it came out, and have been having a blast on Zombies. And the daily contracts let me earn crates and nebulum which felt nice since I didn’t feel like I had to spend money. Is it the best zombies experience? No. Is it my favorite zombies experience? Not quite. But I do really enjoy my time whenever I boot it up to play some zombies.

[@riptothehomies9263]

Well then I recommend getting BO3 and enjoying what custom zombies has to offer. That’s when you realize B04 belongs in the trash can, no exceptions.

[@destroyerofnice]

@@riptothehomies9263 unless you don't have a PC.

[@riptothehomies9263]

@@destroyerofnice that sucks

[@wolfz1235]

@@riptothehomies9263 the irony of everyone that says bo3 is better then bo4 all stems from PC and custom. However bo4 at least in my opinion is better because I don’t like custom games it doesn’t give the same feel and it doesn’t feel rewording. At least in bo4 i can play without any custom settings and enjoy myself camo grinding and going for high rounds and whatever difficulty i so choose and still earn trophies/achievements.

[@wolfz1235]

@@riptothehomies9263 there’s plenty of problems with bo3 starting with the fact that if you dont have a certain things unlocked early on your screwed. Bubblegums are random coming out of the machine, bubblegums machines are annoying especially when you need one and cant get to it in time. The list goes on, bo3 is trash without custom.

[@windhunter1157]

Tim hansen: Winter's wail the inferior Widow's Wine Me with Winter's Wail: "goes afk for 3 minutes in a public match without going down"

[@davemac9563]

For real, it’s way better than Widow’s Wine. He’s just stuck in his 2016 mind

[@loganklein5031]

@@davemac9563widows wine is peak 😟

[@bant3565]

sounds like fun gameplay

[@PreviousGenRichtofen]

​@@davemac9563actually, it just depends on how you look at it, you can run out of winters wail charges very easily, whereas with widows wine you almost never run out of it, one is stuck on a timer, the other is based on player skill

[@sogekingsimp2469]

​@@PreviousGenRichtofenI wouldn't say widows is based on player skill, if you have full charges, you aren't dying. That's it. You just won't die, and it's very easy to get those charges back. The only downside that winters wail has is that the timer is so ridiculously long. I honestly think that they are practically the same, just different themes

[@LubeyZM]

9:28 Love how you can see the executioner disappear in the last frame and the axe is just floating there mid air Zombies magic is incredible

[@notalentpotato33]

Funny thing is that it’s exactly like that in game, Triple A company couldn’t fix a simple cutscene

[@elmu6783]

Honestly I think if they didn’t do their whole perk overhaul for this game it would probably be my favorite. Chaos story was a blast to play and I’m surprised to say that I wish there wasn’t any aether maps in the game whatsoever. Having the 2 base game chaos maps and 4 dlc maps to flesh it out would’ve been FANTASTIC and I’m still kinda pissed they dropped it

[@unluckythrasher]

BO4 should’ve been the best zombies game we received after BO3. The hype leading up to the release of the game, especially the Blood of the Dead trailers we got. The comics hinting at a mob of the dead comeback, all for it to just end up being a lackluster rushed game. It could’ve been the best imo.

[@1reflect155]

plus the huge budget they had

[@JulioHernandez-vi9to]

That was mainly activison a fault since they rushed them to release the game before red dead redemption 2 came out so they didn’t have to compete,their budget was huge but the community complained so much and raven and sledgehammer couldn’t get their shot together for Cold War,that made it easier for activision to take the remaining budget and send it to Cold War zombies,it was a mix of activison and the community that ruined bo4 and cgi endings

[@I_JPToxic_I]

@@JulioHernandez-vi9towell it was also mainly rushed because most employees where put towards making blackout and that was the true downfall of bo4

[@JulioHernandez-vi9to]

@@I_JPToxic_I well yeah because activision forced them to work on it due to the battle royal craze.If it was up to treyarch they would’ve worked on other aspects

[@landonsolley487]

I was waiting for this for a while! I actually went and rewatched your “why bo4 failed” video and thought maybe that was the entire game analysis lol

[@ToadTWE]

I wholeheartedly believe that if ZC didn’t release for bo3 then bo4 could’ve been a lot more polished. As much as I love to play zombies chronicles, I like to imagine what bo4 could’ve been without the divided resources

[@HibiTeamQueso]

@@ToadTWE nah man, ZC is dope. Activision just has to give Treyarch more time and resources

[@ToadTWE]

@@HibiTeamQueso hopefully Microsoft does that when they buy Activision and hopefully can save treyarch titles from being unfinished. I love ZC, I don’t want to rub you the wrong way with that

[@HibiTeamQueso]

@@ToadTWE If that doesn't work out at least we have Bo3 customs...I really enjoy that, there's literally hundreds of maps :D

[@gurkensohn9401]

BO4 didn't fail. If the KZbinrs weren't complaining that much it would have been as successful as BO3 but it still was way better than he thinks even now.

[@Saturnalia55]

When it’s all over I know I will miss you Tim. :(

[@inshallahbrother2004]

Where tf did that come from bruh

[@JohnDoe-ph4iq]

@@inshallahbrother2004 he’s taking a break from zombies after he’s done the Cold War review

[@fakeaccount6319]

@@JohnDoe-ph4iq bro fell off hard he needs it

[@rain407]

@@JohnDoe-ph4iq Taking a break? More like ending hes career, come one mates! Zombies is not going anywhere! Let’s just appreciate the last moments and enjoy the fact that zombies died beacuse the community didn’t give bo4 a chance, success i guess!!?? Maybe just maybe if as a community we could’ve give a chance to bo4 just maybe zombies could be in a great place by now, but damn ! Zombies it’s just dying now....

[@simjorge7014]

@@rain407 it’s sad but true

[@guygamboa3850]

I think part of the reason chaos timeliness never had a chance is because we grew up with the original story line and we all have it in such regards because of the nostalgia it brings us and because of that no matter how good it could of been it will never live up to the original

[@zdot_lazy]

That’s why I didn’t mind the operators in cwz because it’s like everytime we get a new cast or something people always shit on them anyways

[@minibashtcp434]

even with all of this game's flaws I still love it, idk why. A lot of it's flaws are such easy fixes though that it's sad how close it was to being one of the greatest

[@LightnixBH]

I really think bo4 dont get the credit it deserve im prob have just as much hours on bo4 than bo3 as a huge zombie fan

[@minibashtcp434]

@@LightnixBH I totally agree. I honestly think it has one of the best mp experiences we've had in a long time and although the zombies isn't super fleshed out mechanically, it still has 8 amazing and high effort maps even with the "remakes"

[@LightnixBH]

Ye man i still love it to this day and might even be my favorite , actually want to go back to it now after all this hahaha@@minibashtcp434

[@bigpey0995]

If this is the end for your cod zombies content thank you for everything

[@iSPiNDiZZi]

he mentioned that he was going to do a Cold War analysis as well before moving on, so we still have one more zombies video assuming he's still working on that

[@bigpey0995]

@CocoaXtv_ no he said he was gonna be making other content soon which means no more cod zombies

[@dawsynasay4841]

@@bigpey0995 I believe he said he’ll do a zombies videos every once in a blue moon after he’s done with his retrospective series, but yeah he’s basically moving on from COD. I wouldn’t be surprised if he covers Treyarch’s next game (if it turns out to be good and worth his time).

[@cheesy6122]

This series has been a great journey so far

[@iamchupacabra3165]

Yep one more to go

[@SuperDarkHalo]

The video I’ve been waiting for the most. Tim you absolute legend!

[@Bacchus325]

Activision robbed us of a proper finale to one of the best and longest running stories in gaming. If they had any courage they'd retcon it and do it right.

[@notalentpotato33]

Yeah, built 4 loveable characters over 3 different games just to then give them a sad and disappointing ending

[@a7md_102]

35:42 That’s not necessarily true. Many people in the zombies community (including you) agree that Ancient Evil is one of the greatest maps, also the last 2 maps have nothing to do with Dead of the Night and Chaos Story in general.

[@DreamDasic]

Ancient evil is my favorite map to date and I've played since WaW.

[@a7md_102]

IMO BO4 Zombies was the last Zombies that felt like Treyarch Zombies. Cold War felt like Modern Warfare Zombies

[@diegomartinez1253]

Same

[@naughtyNuGetzz23]

Facts

[@jciwallcrawler3673]

Yeah, devs get too addicted to graphics and not gameplay, graphics is modern warfare’s thing, and gameplay is black ops’s thing. It was too framey and complicated. Felt like a game of exo zombies with all that weird shit in it.

[@byohen1752]

@@jciwallcrawler3673 the new engines for cod may work for campaign and multiplayers, but in zombies it just makes it feel and look exactly like multiplayer

[@8johh]

ong

[@nebula6905]

I actually really enjoyed BO4 it was unique and different to the other titles. The chaos zombies maps like Ancient Evil and Dead of the Night are super underrated in my opinion and were really good maps. I didn’t hate the perk system like most people did and thought it was a cool idea. The hud didn’t really bother me like it did other people as well. I still go back to play this game once in a while. I also liked blackout, I play it with my sister when we both have time and aren’t working.

[@infinitetriple8216]

Seriously like it wasn’t the best but it wasn’t that bad either I had a good ass time playing it up until ancient evil I have no clue why he’s so bent about Bo4 like this his like 100th video of him bitching and moaning like GET OVER IT make other content it’s been almost what fucking 5 years ?

[@jonasmatyi2805]

Yeah I agree I don’t get why people don’t like bo4 🙄

[@ketamineheadyoda2248]

@@jonasmatyi2805 alpha omega, voyage of the vomit, Tag der Scheiße? Elemental Raygun mark2. Key word recycling

[@terpinkov8770]

@@jonasmatyi2805 because a lot of it feels recycled from previous games, and what hasn’t been recycled hasn’t been done well

[@a7md_102]

@@ketamineheadyoda2248 what’s the problem with recycling and reusing assets from past treyarch zombies?

[@lookatmyzombies9377]

Yeah I was waiting for a Great War map since Gorod Krovi it's a shame that never came. I think we all wanted to play with the ancient Primus outfits in an Ancient location

[@heavenspace3441]

With the original staffs, not the copies

[@Deathmare235]

@@heavenspace3441 wonder what the difference was we’re the originals more powerful not like they’d be that much more op in game

[@JulioHernandez-vi9to]

The Great War was never meant to be a map tho what people don’t realize is the Great War takes place at the same time as origins which ia both the ending and beginning of the cycle,also the crew didn’t fight in it as they were busy in origins,so a Great War map would never work since it’s both the beginning and ending of the cycle,that would make the story never progress and stay in the infinite cycle

[@JulioHernandez-vi9to]

@@heavenspace3441 well theoretically since the story is a cycle the copies are theoretically the originals

[@Deathmare235]

@@JulioHernandez-vi9to it was there were leaks of it

[@TeecueDee]

So wrong about Voyage of Despair. It's underrated AF. You have open training on the decks, close quarters indoors, spacious training in the water-filled ends, various camping strats, gorgeous sky box, portals galore, and deep + numerous EEs for replayability.

[@hamonsalmon5791]

Honestly don't understand the hate on the map voyage, I get it the amount of catalyst zombies are annoying and Honestly suck but that shouldn't change people's opinion of the map itself. I find that people that hate voyage love cold war which goes to show that they didn't like the difficulty of voyage/bo4 in general meaning that most of the time they just weren't good enough to beat the maps and blamed it on the game itself instead of their skill level. I just say to them "The game isn't bad, you are."

[@Zombie-lo6il]

Tim doesn’t know how to play the map so he talks bad about it.

[@hamonsalmon5791]

@@Zombie-lo6il agreed

[@a7md_102]

@@Zombie-lo6il same with his DOTN review

[@a7md_102]

I feel like people were just too harsh on Voyage

[@cactusttp_5520]

Personnally, I feel like this last BO Zombie was a typical final of a series, with fan serving and changes made to change. Not a bad zombie in my opinion, just not the way we dreamed to end our franchise.

[@Yxpolish22]

37:19 If you paid attention to the lore of the map you’ll see that these characters are important to the grand scheme

[@swagswag6823]

I agree, Tim seems like he doesn’t actually pay attention to the detail

[@Jellymiqo]

im sure he was aware he did this thing called joking.

[@themelancholia]

Tim Hansen was on round 28 with the Folly and probably didnt have silver bullets. Dude has no idea

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

When you think about it Voyage is symbolic to Blundell jumping ship before zombies got worse and it did get worse. If only we’d knew the horrors that awaited us in the future. Perhaps we treated BO4 to harshly.

[@AdamSandal83]

Or Voyage is just a zombies map taking place on the Titanic.

[@user-DrKritz115]

@@AdamSandal83 everyone takes the easy route

[@Zombie-lo6il]

@@AdamSandal83 what actually happened in the Titanic

[@gurkensohn9401]

We didn't treat BO4 bad. It has always been Tim, Lex and Noah who keep spreading hate on BO4 and kept people from buying it including me. At least I changed my mind and I understood that their crying is just cringe. Look at Lex, he made 5 videos on why BO4 is bad but guess what? He has streamed more BO4 than Cold War during Cold War cycle. People copy these bad opinions and don't realise how nice BO4 was.

[@aliiedforce9887]

I've always loved B04 just because of the feel of the game and how the guns sound/hit

[@kisterdrums]

same, i thought i was the only one that loves how the guns feel in this game

[@SeemsLegal]

Same

[@eljoshsfgaming6335]

Personally I enjoyed everything about Bo4 zombies except for the perk system, that was its one major downfall for me. That and it doesn’t feel like zombies with shit all over the HUD, if I could disable the stupid talismans or the elixirs whatever they’re called and get that off my screen as well as use the old perk system, the game would’ve been like a 8-8.5/10 for me (the maps were somewhat lackluster imo there was literally no new maps for the Primis storyline they literally only remade maps). It sucks to think of what could’ve been being ruined because treyarch thought they needed to innovate just to innovate /:

[@gurkensohn9401]

@@eljoshsfgaming6335 Nobody cares that much about a HUD. It's just another point for Tim to completely overuse for complaining. It's not like that has much influence on my gameplay.

[@cameronjoiner7345]

@@gurkensohn9401 Speak for yourself, people care about the hud when stuff is all over the screen

[@c0mbust_gaming849]

The PHD flopper rename makes sense though cause flopper doesn't make sense when you slide and not flop

[@perinamer1]

Splitscreen was a nightmare in this game, while i loved that you could finally play 4 player splitscreen, imagine all those 4 players taking turns customizing their classes pre-game.. Last time i wanted to play bo4 splitscreen that was the only thing my friends & I did before we had to go out to meet the rest of our friends..

[@baphomentbeast5479]

i feel bo4 was possibly one of my favorite times for cod, i have so many memories playing blackout with friends helping to unlock all our favorite characters, absolutely fucking shit up with the grapple gun, and other shit like friends running into eachother with vehicles absolutely leaving me in tears laughing. most my memory associated with bo4 is of blackout almost entirely.

[@cujohjosefumi1252]

Blackout was awesome, but the challenges of Reznov and Mason ( because of the RNG ) were a living hell

[@Fw.rain13]

I loved bo4 I still play it its fun to me

[@lm_slayer1]

Blackout is an underrated blast, the amount of slander it gets is stupid. The fact that people are so blind to the point where they think verwank is a good BR map is beyond me, yet blackout sucks ass, yeah ok 💀

[@patrickftw8464]

blackout was too sick. I'm sad it's dead on PC, me and a buddy tried playing just a couple nights ago. but yeah it was a great br, the way you unlocked characters was awesome and made skins rewarding to get, the sensor dart and grapples and what not were sick. I miss it tons

[@willishuntley9062]

@@cujohjosefumi1252 I was able to get mason but I could never get woods

[@slimharden4143]

Ngl this game has really grown on me, once I got over how different the system is I really enjoy it now, I loved the multiplayer as well

[@GabeAllz57]

Bo4 still gets far too much hate from the mainstream zombie KZbinrs, which in turn means a very loud portion of the community follow suit because they can’t think for themselves

[@noxy281]

That's such a crappy shield but I can't say you are wrong nor can I say you are right either. There is just so much wrong with bo4 compared to previous titles but looking at it on it's own it seems fine enough. I think if a majority of people didnt follow the opinions of the youtubers they watch, bo4 would still be hated just as much. Personally, I just find it painfully bland rather than some atrocious monster other people see it as.

[@GabeAllz57]

@@noxy281 I can guarantee there’s a lot more people than you think that never gave bo4 much of a chance just because lex was clowning on it. Like people are only being nicer to dead of the night now because lex has finally started being nicer to it The blue screens/stability was horrible and inexcusable. The maps were good aside from alpha omega, they’re just stuck in bo4’s mechanics.

[@noxy281]

@@GabeAllz57 Yea you are right about most people not giving it a chance but it's impossible to know whether or not the majority of the people would like it or dislike it. Still, it is rather annoying seeing people flip a switch on their opinions when another youtuber does. I remember dead of the night being hated by absolutely everyone and being at the bottom of the barrel but now it seems people are really starting to like it.

[@GabeAllz57]

@@noxy281 “wait dead of the night is a great map?” “It always was”

[@soldat_tic7482]

yeah, but i really dont like the game because of the engine i think killing zombies is just so unsatisying, perks are... special in this game and some maps are just not my taste i guess tho, i think if those maps were transfered to bo3 engine or even cold war, i would never take a shower again. and i also hate how it feels like camping players are advantaged, wtf is wrong with the speed of zombies, at least you can change that with the custom games (btw, custom games and difficulty settings are the best things treyarch has ever done. change my mind.)

[@spenceroneil4747]

The ending to the Chaos story was really frustrating. Really wanted to see more of them

[@shiroilesss]

There can never be a game that age very well like bo4

[@mayonnaise3959]

Dude I can name you a bunch of games that aged miles better then bo4

[@carsoknight]

Damn u never played fallout new vegas or any other games???

[@Cyber_Operator]

I been playing a ton of BO4 again and honestly I enjoy it again just as much as I did before. Its fun and a challenge . I feel like bo4 is honestly a little underrated.

[@gurkensohn9401]

It wouldn't be underrated if Tim, Lex and Noah wouldn't hate on it 24/7.

[@Cyber_Operator]

@@gurkensohn9401 The way they hated on it was literally the definition of toxicity in the community.

[@gurkensohn9401]

@@Cyber_Operator They legit dug their own graves. They were keeping people from playing it and getting interested and thus destroyed their channels and views. They even split the community because those who play BO4 actually know it's good and don't like complaining like this.

[@sugarqcoat]

its objectively not

[@normanbestboi9117]

To be fair it was 150HP at launch which everyone hated cause it was "too hard"

[@Whatsabird]

How many hits did it take for a zombie to kill you at 150?

[@darthrevan5609]

150 on its own without being able to increase your durability makes it hard, but spawning in with Jug and a wonder weapon makes you a god automatically no progression or improvement

[@cthonos.]

@@darthrevan5609 show me ur high rounds if it's so easy

[@nicholasmoore6487]

There's an alternate timeline where all dlc maps were chaos and that great war map happens in Cold War

[@JulioHernandez-vi9to]

Their isn’t anything left only the Cold War universe exist now,chaos and aether are separate and we’re said to not have any relation

[@Harigan]

Great war map was never going to happen. It makes no sense narratively.

[@tomallison1098]

@@Harigan the whole story literally lead up to it...?

[@Harigan]

@@tomallison1098 no. The story lead up to breaking the cycle. The great war was the beginning of the reset cycle. Going to the great war would be going through the cycle again.

[@seanchurch694]

@@Harigan how does it make no sense narratively tho? I know that the end of aether was leading to breaking the cycle, but don’t you think it’d be interesting to witness what happened during the Great War? I wish we atleast got a nice cinematic cutscene or something instead of a motion comic.

[@coltontnp]

I loved BO4. Had some of the most fun playing zombies with my friends on there. Loved the Chaos storyline and there maps. Also I liked blackout more than warzone

[@hamonsalmon5791]

Probably the only comment I can agree with here. Word for word

[@northernking4787]

I agree with blackout > warzone

[@kanegreene33]

Facts

[@ekamroopsinghchaggar6112]

Little did he know we got black ops 6 this year too 😂😂😂

[@Atomic_Aegis45]

The best thing about BO4 Zombies had to be the death machine skin. I find it so cool looking.

[@jakobe2076]

I'll never forgive them for wasting Kiefer Sutherland on Dead of the Night

[@IlMemetor72]

...the voice actor for Roebuck and Venom Snake?

[@ThunderStruck115]

Honestly, there's a lot of hypocrisy in this video to dissect. I'm gonna make a response video

[@Someone-gk2wo]

Legend

[@ThunderStruck115]

@@Someone-gk2wo It's up now if you want to watch it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpnSg5h5fMR-epo

[@pip5188]

Ethereal razor is the best perk in this whole game and it's the entire reason I return to this game every now and then. Especially if you have it as the modifier. I hope one day they bring back this perk

[@pedro_perez1]

Blood of the Dead and Tranzit share a similar story in terms of both generating high expectations and consuming a lot of the budget for their games, but ultimately failing spectacularly for different reasons. At least Tranzit falls in the categories of "so bad that is good" and "unintentionally funny" if you play with friends, but why play Blood when you have Mob?

[@penguinpal1793]

tim really went down the drain with content

[@acev3521]

just like zombies

[@penguinpal1793]

@@acev3521 exactly

[@pancake_5703]

After vanguard my respect for bo4 went up, I liked it before but vanguard showed me they actually tried with bo4 and made a really unique game.

[@gurkensohn9401]

After playing Cold Trash you must have known that BO4 is completely overhated by Tim, Lex and Noah.

[@pancake_5703]

@@gurkensohn9401 it feels like the whole community hates it to much but yeah the big KZbin names hating doesn't help much either

[@gurkensohn9401]

@@pancake_5703 The community actually doesn't hate it that much. There are always those who say everything after BO2 sucks and haven't played anything besides Kino anyways and those who copy the KZbinrs opinions. However, if you stream BO4 zombies you'll actually get a huge community who likes it.

[@MurrmorMeerkat]

@@gurkensohn9401 cold war is great and I hope zombies keeps up that path

[@maazamin7884]

I would disagree in terms of BO4 being filler. BO4's objective was not nessacarily to give a great war map, but to patch up all the plot holes in the story and give a good ending (rather than the bad revalations ending). The aether story didn't make sense without adding key details to the Black Ops 1 and Black Ops 2 lore that were never touched. Ultimately, a great war map could have been better for the end, but Tag's ending was satifying and felt like we could finally move on.

[@Deathmare235]

The Great War was meant to be a bo4 prequel with the dark aether and Monty being the last

[@JulioHernandez-vi9to]

The problem with the great weather is 1.the crew never fought in it since they were busy at origins,2.the Great War is both the beginning and ending of the cycle so story wise it wouldn’t make sense since we never participated in it,and also if we did go it would be pointless since the cycle would just end and we would restart back at the beginning of the story

[@JulioHernandez-vi9to]

@@Deathmare235 the Great War takes place at the beginning and ending of the cycle so it makes no sense to have it,we also never participated in the battle because we were pre occupied with origina

[@Zombie-lo6il]

I would say that Black Ops 3 is the filler in terms of narrative, since everything goes down to “The cycle continues”.

[@AstralAnubes]

One change that would’ve been amazing is if juggernaut was a separate perk. So u could have 4 perks not including Jugg. That would be in its own slot. Starting out with full health kills the progression if they wanted people to have different loadouts they should’ve just done that.

[@randysterbentz5599]

The part about BO4 being "good out of context" is so true. I stopped playing zombies after BO4 due to burnout on first-person shooters, but I came back over last summer on a whim. I bought BO2 and played those maps, some for the first time ever. Then I realized I had all the DLCs for BO3 and 4 so I re-downloaded those and have been enjoying learning these maps again. I was playing BO4 zombies a ton, just familiarizing myself with the maps, taking half-hearted attempts at Gauntlet, and despite losing the familiar perk system and the grenade mechanic change, I was loving every moment! But if I was going to make progress, I would need to look up some tutorials and guides. As I immersed myself into the public side of zombies opinion, I found out this game is very polarizing. I learned about all the development issues that occurred, and I started to see the cracks in an otherwise fun game. I realized that, while the game doesn't exactly lack polish, it certainly lacks substance. There was larger potential in these maps, especially the Aether story. And it makes me sad to see the team didn't have the resources to make these maps into the masterpieces they could have been. Despite that, I'm still enjoying the game! I think most of the maps are easy to pick up and play, kill zombies for an hour, and move on with the rest of your day (or boot up another map cuz I'm an addict on the camo grind...)

[@schnarfschnarf5886]

When any other 40yos hear the word "entrapment" do you also think of Sean Connery saying "that's entrapment" while CZJ is sliding under red lasers very nicely?

[@jaredaskam6557]

You know it’s a good Tim Hansen video when he says “genuine” 20+ times

[@buttermanaws4693]

I find it so funny that I wasn't alone with never needing to use a mega elixir since aftertaste, temporal gift, anywhere but here, and arsenal accelerator was so good for casual and easter egg play

[@diegosalinas1771]

Great review! I really loved Ancient Evil, IX, and Classified. Good to see those maps getting the recognition they deserve. I feel that you didn't cover how truly terrible Alpha Omega was. It has nova crawlers that throw laser projectiles at you from across the map, and zombies that move faster than you. The map is a fucking NIGHTMARE when you turn the power on. Truly a stinker map. A cool part of Classified that you didn't cover is the fact that you can upgrade a training spot (Groom Lake) into the best training spot in history by revisiting it over and over. It adds so much replayability not to mention the sheer creativity. It's a map that is underappreciated by the wider community.

[@kevinsheedy6382]

I really Love the custom zombies get Krazy Rabb1t back in the house

[@tsarbomba827]

Ive been waiting what feels like years for this!

[@overusedbruh]

I love these types of videos Tim! I was even inspired by you to make a whole video called The Rise and Fall of Call of Duty Zombies

[@DetectiveJones]

Black ops 2+ zombies was a mess. You went from a cool and creepy plausible story with faint but reasonable elements of fantasy (Time travel and teleportation) to magic wizards / aliens / 1,000 foot tall robots, ghosts, dragons, time traveling left and right like a Family guy skit, multiple universes. Zombies went from a creepy atmosphere with a neat story to something that would make a fantasy game like Skyrim think its over the top...Actually near every element in new zombies exists within Skyrim but at least thats a fantasy planet with long established lore

[@Zombie-lo6il]

wasn’t Time travel and teleportation a thing since BO1?

[@elpiedra1596]

Nostalgia googles going hard. The neat story was enhanced with BO2+, COD zombies has waaaay more potential than the creepy atmosphere Waw-BO1 fanboys love so much. Funny how time travel and teleportation are faint (???) but the backstory of the Keepers and the Apothicons and multiple universes is Skyrim-like levels of fantasy.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@Zombie-lo6il they were indeed

[@CROsigliere]

Zombies Bo3 was the best. They should make a bo3 styled game with every single zombies map and some extra ether storyline maps (not to add to the story, as its ended, but to give us more context about the ether tineline) They could give us new maps that we the audience didnt see before, but get to see now. Bo3 perk system and the way they did microtransactions was as good as it gets

[@liamselle1990]

Imagine how much better it would have been if instead of changing the system they changed the perks a little, instead of jug you have something called stone wall which increases your health, but only when standing still or maybe speed cola only reloads faster while you are moving. This would have led to interesting combinations of perks like a mobile player using speed cola and staminup while a camper could lean more into stone wall and PhD

[@tylere.8436]

Nah, they should have just eliminated the 4 perk limit.

[@gurkensohn9401]

@@smugplush Cold Trash fixed it? Just bad that in Cold Trash you can take more hits round 1 than in BO4, that every single perk with these useless upgardes are way too overpowered and buying all perks legit eliminates all strategy and diversity because you get them every single game. What are the upgrades for? To give a reson to play because the game is that bad that there's legit no other reason? That you get more overpowered the more you have played the game and the better you have already got?

[@gurkensohn9401]

@@tylere.8436 No. It's completely boring and way to overpowered when you can always buy everything. Then they should have implemented 20 perk machines or just 10 wunder fizz machines or what?

[@sbombfitness]

Ancient Evil was a frickin amazing map, and Declassified, 9, and Alpha Omega were also awesome games

[@justin9289]

don’t understand why people dislike this games zombies, kinda seems like a bandwagon cause genuinely i liked it better than bo3 even tho i like bo3 aswell

[@gurkensohn9401]

His opinion sucks and he's just been hanging on it since he had made the BO4 videos.

[@Harigan]

it totally is. Looking at the comments of videos like this, most people have either never played bo4 or played it once at launch and now just join the hate bandwagon. Especially when so much of what Tim says is BS, its pretty sad.

[@pins7541]

no i played bo4 tim right the shit was mid as fuck definitely not as good as bo3

[@MrTheGuyGaming]

I liked bo4 zombies as well, played it for hours. But I do get what he’s saying the maps feel all over the place (yk literally from being on the titanic to going to a remastered Alcatraz) it just feels lazy. But the zombies was super fun I was mad when they got nerfed lol

[@sheeshburger-go4qd]

sure it’s messy, and not the best in the series by any means, but it’s still VERY GOOD if you’re willing to take it for what it is which is a highly customizable and replayable, fun zombies experience.

[@Shingeki1323]

1000% I been playing it a little bit here and there an man i forgot how much fun it actually was. Not the best, but man it's refreshing to play.

[@FrostReach66]

WaW: First taste and great beginning for zombies BO1: Nostalgia trip with amazing story, maps, weapons, and innovations BO2: Rough start, but which led into even more amazing innovations on the BO1 formula BO3: Amazing follow up in story and gameplay, elevating the concept into something more than zombies BO4: Tf is even going on with half of the story and was this the ending we really deserved?

[@geobro2882]

12:19 *Voyage Of Despair Gauntlet Flashbacks*

[@nada6991]

The task wasn’t to save the boat in voyage of dispare so why would they even care

[@endlessmadness9005]

As a bo4 player it's rough listening to the game get put down so negatively. I genuinely enjoy and have fun on bo4 all the time

[@gurkensohn9401]

Yes, he's just been sitting on his negative points since release and he, Lex and Noah are only complaining about it. Let's see who'll lose even more views if they keep making games like Cold War.

[@jonb2911]

I loved 9. And I always set myself up to be the healer/medic person so nearly all my perks and weapons etc was for reviving people etc. I’d have 30 revives like every game.

[@TheKingErix]

I think my favourite part of these anthologies is that, they're always able to be revisited as a view into the past and how we can appreciate and learn from the past. I got my wisdom teeth removed yesterday so I am pretty much comatose for the rest of the weekend. It is really nice to be able to revisit this amazing series. Thank you Tim, I hope you are doing well.

[@jcplays5831]

Something that would help the perk system would be to just pick your perk from the machine at any time, like the perk selection just in the middle of the game. Also just give each perk actual jingles, like come on

[@HOWLWOLF]

Thats why I love how the Wunderfizz works in Cold War Zombies, you get to select whatever perk in whatever order you want anytime.

[@jcplays5831]

@@HOWLWOLF true

[@gurkensohn9401]

@@HOWLWOLF Yes, so amazing, you can just buy every single perk existing within 2 seconds. Great variety and definitely not overpowered.

[@xxjaydenxx8258]

Let's go it's BO4 rant time. Can't wait for the Cold War episode.

[@fewpew5787]

The cold war episode will also be the end of this channel though

[@xxjaydenxx8258]

@@fewpew5787 yeah we both know damn well he not gonna do an episode on Vanguard. kinda sad to see him go though.

[@fewpew5787]

@@xxjaydenxx8258 Yeah, this is definitely one of my favorite youtube channels and it's real sad that it's ending so soon. At least Lex is still making zombies videos

[@prohaxsaur8285]

@@fewpew5787 I think everyone is gonna miss Tim. I know I will.

[@swagswag6823]

People give this game WAAAAAY too much shit.

[@peterlehman1433]

I love the way you structure your vids. Sad to see your going to be leaving, but thnk you for your service to this comunity tim.

[@markoneil6562]

My question is, has anyone, EVER, went down on a hound round? For me, every time I hear "fetch me their souls," I get relieved that ill get a Max ammo

[@Harigan]

of course. Have you ever played waw?

[@markoneil6562]

@@Harigan yup I started at waw. I guess back then they were a little more difficult but over the years they've gotten way too easy

[@captainkill21]

BO4 wasn’t the best Zombies game ever but overall it was actually pretty solid. Tons of content and some real gems for maps in Ancient Evil and IX. Wish they cleaned up the HUD and kept the perk system separate for Chaos and Aether

[@diemaschineistrash3791]

They should have just focused on chaos and invest the aether time in gameplay etc. But the development was sadly not that great due to Activision.

[@chalooby3403]

Wow, this was phenomenally made! Well done Tim!

[@chucksneedlee]

Revelations always felt like the ending that treyarch wanted, where as bo4 felt like they were compelled by the community to drag the story out.

[@Deathmare235]

Treyarch has dlc 5 and 6 being the Great War and Monty Tag wasn’t meant to be the end

[@Zombie-lo6il]

@@Deathmare235 putting the Great War is just stupid and makes no sense at all

[@Deathmare235]

@@Zombie-lo6il it’s meant to be a prequel to bo4

[@Zombie-lo6il]

@@Deathmare235 No? Everything in the storyline was pointing that the crew was never going to the Great War

[@JulioHernandez-vi9to]

@@Deathmare235 the great era was never planned and it also makes no sense since it takes place by origins and at the time the characters are busy in origins so they never participated in the actual battle,and as well the Great War is both the beginning and ending of the cycle so it would’ve never made sense at all,remember the cycle and the characters are bound together and one can’t exist without the other,so if we did have the Great War as a map it wouldn’t fit since after that ends we would just end up back at t first map to exist

[@baller42061]

Love these types of videos bro, hope you do more your opinions are great

[@JulioHernandez-vi9to]

I’d like to add that we were never going to the Great War at all,you see the Great War is both the beginning and ending of the cycle,it takes place by origins and are both happening at the same time,so by going to the Great War we’re essentially restarting the cycle and bo3/bo4 would’ve just been pointless,only reason it was hinted was to hype up the characters since they are soldiers but we were never going to it,the cycle would never end and the story would never progress,plus the Great War is a battlefield not much their

[@GxdlyFizz-]

Hey Tim. I have loved this series and I really hope you still keep uploading these great videos of yours

[@Itsumi456]

If we had the great war as our first map and have classified as the pass DLC bonus it would've probably released so much better. I'd have preferred it way too much compared to having what felt like an unorganized mess.

[@Deathmare235]

Apparently it was meant to be dlc 5 with Monty as dlc 6

[@JulioHernandez-vi9to]

The grey war would make no sense,the Great War takes place by origins,and it’s both the beginning and ending of the cycle,so by traveling their were essentially just restarting the cycle which would make it so the story can’t progress forward,plus we went to the Great War already,the Great War takes place by and the same time a origins we never participated in the battle at all because we were in origins

[@Zombie-lo6il]

The Great War makes no sense at all 🤦‍♂

[@silverbolt9439]

Makes no sense? yet in alpha Omega you see Sam fighting on it setting it up for the next map btw the first great war the apothicons vs keepers one not the primis one, did everyone forgot that part? Linear story telling my friends.

[@lukerzy4901]

I'm surprised you didn't mention that in the maps that aren't the chaos story the perk machines are branded as Wunderfizz and have their own jingles

[@eamer9400]

Why say "The Titanic of all places" Zombies on the Titanic is so cool

[@thanos3163]

Thanks for uploading this video Tim!!!!!! Almost had to think for myself

[@Lasko-ox3cp]

“Is this game going to be a batch of maps remastered”, me: thinking of when Tim said, “you bet your sweet ass”

[@d0m0b40]

Literally the only weapon that's better/equal to the Alistair's annihilator on origins is the ice staff. Dotn is easier than he makes it out to be, you literally only gotta set up like twice and you'll know what to do. All tho i expected all the bo4 flack from Tim ngl

[@rubiickz8553]

People who say bo4 is too hard or too easy are stupid, and don’t realise that it is only too difficult as you want it to be. If you want it to be hard, you can literally not get any wonder weapons, not use gobblegums, not use specialists etc. And to have it be easy, just do the opposite

[@d0m0b40]

@@rubiickz8553 yup

[@Zombie-lo6il]

Also, all charged shots from Alistair’s Annihilator insta-kill forever. Except for acid blast and ice tornado from Chaos Theory

[@rubiickz8553]

@@Zombie-lo6il the issue with the BO4 haters, is that they barely or don’t play the maps and so don’t learn them which, learning the map is required for any new zombies content that comes out. But then, they jump on the bandwagon that bo4 is shit because they played one game of zombies and died because they didn’t know the map

[@ll-rq5vu]

@@rubiickz8553 yup 😂😂 bo4 sadly got the short end of the stick, i still play this shit with my homies more than any new COD.

[@exquisitepullup]

Dead of the Night was my first map, I actually really like it to this day.

[@Zombie-lo6il]

It’s a good map, It only suffered from poor marketing and hate on bo4

[@dereisendrache6394]

@@Zombie-lo6il agree

[@dayalx]

I think because Al(the weasel) breaks the cycle from mob causes a ripple effect which breaks the cycle for Aether crew, which is why the chronorium changes

[@thatireliaplayer8316]

I loved the little touch at the end with game text saying "whats the point" both displaying the community frustrsions with interal game its self and the larger question of whats the point of this game at all. Great stuff

[@bradentooker3450]

Great review. You almost completely covered all of my gripes with this game, the main one being progression. The best part of zombies, in my opinion, is beginning to middle rounds. This is when you should start off weak, and naturally become stronger as the game progresses. Bo4 ruined this, and it honestly was my biggest complaint of the game, other than the ridiculous zombie spawns.