Why BO4 Zombies Failed

[@acetheta6482]

Meanwhile I’m still vibing in BO3 Zombies. (Three years later and I’m still blown away by the notifications this dorky comment gets! I wish you all the best and hope y’all continue having fun with whatever Zombies you like the most!!!)

[@115scenario7]

Me too

[@shinumxp9132]

Same

[@colbyharrison776]

Literally played bo3 today. Best game ever

[@tsfxpre174]

Colby Harrison psn?

[@i2rwavvy142]

Just re down loaded it

[@owenklein1917]

After 8 years, I still go back to bo3 zombies and always have a super fun time. That game is timeless.

[@chillgamingandspoops6404]

wait its been 8 years now

[@harold3165]

7 years

[@babywraith3186]

I do the same and i just beat derisen drack

[@ehlude]

same bro i be playing till this day bo3 is just fun and tbh bo4 zombies was bad the only good map imo was 9. other then that the maps suck don't even get me started with blood of the dead

[@UltimaKombat]

BO3 is so ridiculously easy compared to WaW, BO1, and BO2. Criminally overrated.

[@lv_kiks6488]

Zombies was at its best when the story was nazis trying to make an undead army instead of a alien multiverse mess.

[@frostman4152]

Krisjanis no

[@yagmi6182]

zombies was good when you just fixed windows and shot fucking zombies and hellhounds.

[@melonf_2537]

yes

[@lv_kiks6488]

@@yagmi6182 yez

[@vincentveryvile5051]

True, now it's gotten retarded. Like, it tried too hard to become Cosmic Horror.

[@trionically]

Vanguard makes this game look like a saint.

[@Thatguy-qk1li]

Yeah vanguard zombies is awful Almost making me miss b04 zombies *almost*

[@rickyanphylthegamergodsedw1647]

Vanguard shouldn’t even be called a game

[@SexSpecMemoryLane]

I literally rebrought bo4 yesterday

[@sandplanet471]

@@rickyanphylthegamergodsedw1647 Ong it’s a disgrace to not only cod zombies but video games as a whole

[@Zombie-lo6il]

@@sandplanet471 the cod franchise as a whole

[@oscarflores885]

Bo3 HUD was my favorite, there was literally nothing bad about it but they decided to change shit that didn’t need to

[@Immortalshortie]

Black Ops 1 was my favorite, fit well with any map you played on, and the horror elements on it. Bo1 and Waw did a good job on making Zombies scary and gritty

[@BattleBladeWarrior]

@@Immortalshortie That is very true. A lot of the fear and horror went away as the series went on in fear of flashy colors. Even the integration of various film stars was cool, but at the same time it kinda takes you out of the game too.

[@Immortalshortie]

@@BattleBladeWarrior WW2 zombies was actually good imo, just the colors didnt fit well

[@DJinThaMatrix]

It needed a bit of a change, aesthetically. Bo4 did it horribly wrong

[@turoreal]

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[@calebsavarese7736]

Man, I remember just going over to my friends house and hoping on WaW on ol nacht der untoten and eating pizza and just trying to get to the highest round you could for bragging rights. Good times, good times.

[@Beerandblackhawks]

Caleb Savarese damn I miss that shit 😪

[@lilunstable69]

Same man I remember staying up all night with my friends at a sleepover and playing WaW zombies. Good times man

[@MeruOnYT]

I did that stuff for every zombies mode until bo4, just goes to show how it ain't the same anymore...

[@bakashinji]

I remember when getting to round 8 was a big deal 😔

[@nicholasjonas2505]

Y'all gonna make me cry man

[@yimmmy_4318]

4:38 “I would rather have 2 quality launch maps than 4 lower quality maps.” Cold War: “1, take it or leave it”

[@matt.squarebody5427]

@Pam Black it's garbage...

[@matt.squarebody5427]

@Pam Black visually alright... but plays horribly.

[@garybashaka1737]

@@matt.squarebody5427 If I’m being honest the map is ok, but I think the real reason Cold War zombies is really praised is because of the awesome game mechanics and the simplicity, but the map isn’t garbage, it’s alright and a good way to revive the zombies franchise

[@xenostorm9377]

@@matt.squarebody5427 pleb

[@blur8919]

@@matt.squarebody5427 It plays decently and looks pretty good

[@Green_Shift]

The biggest atrocity bo4 zombies did with the chaos storyline was leaving it *unfinished.* Just when it was getting interesting. My crew and I did all the zombies Easter eggs and were dumbfounded to learn that chaos story ended with Ancient Evil. When you finish that map’s EE, you get a cliff hanger and that’s it. Chaos story ends and Treyarch abandons it for Cold War. Absolutely terrible

[@Im__Andy-f6x]

BO4 should’ve been just about chaos

[@bonnie75330]

​@@Im__Andy-f6x fr cause if revelations was the great war map instead and ended in bo3 then bo4 zombies would be entirely different because instead of it being aether and chaos its only chaos which sounds pretty good since being fed aether constantly isnt good so there atleast has to be something different instead of just aether

[@MrEverythingEnglish.]

bo6 will continue the chaos story line

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

Treyarch: You took everything from me. Activision: I don’t even know who you are.

[@bigpoke7043]

BSJ IN YO HOUSE lmao

[@beetlepimp4777]

Activision snapped its fingers

[@UNDENIABLEBarttySky]

@@beetlepimp4777 "We...Are...Treyarch!" *snap* Zombies ends, Black Ops Reboot, 3 Studios working on said reboot, Activision pouring minimal amount of money

[@jacobfleming2212]

You will

[@jacobfleming2212]

Activison owns Treyarch

[@jacksondavis6929]

Imagine adding a fantastic perk called widows wine, and then scraping it the game later.

[@nathandrake9914]

Widows wine: “where, where am I” Phd flopper: “first time kid”

[@thatboypanda5798]

The could’ve just put widows wine over winters wail

[@ygwxlf]

every good player knows widows was too op

[@raydolenzayskar9356]

Widows wine Is now called Winters wail and Is way better now .because It prock when not full health(no accidental hit and zombie killed likes bo3) you can freely use grenade(before you never throw grenade because you lose explosion ,the Only loss Is the Poison knife which personally i never used on High round.

[@thatboypanda5798]

Zayskar Mithrarin what?

[@Cormac0bbz]

Black ops 1 was my favourite. If I want to play a zombies, I don't want to have to watch an hour long tutorial first or not have a clue where to go or what to do

[@gabrielbrown6805]

ahem...... moon?

[@Cormac0bbz]

@@gabrielbrown6805 Good point, but you don't have to do the Easter egg. I've still never done it

[@GreenNightcore]

Why did you need a tutorial for maps after bo1 zombies? (Ignoring the easter egg) If you just wanted to survive and open pack a punch, they were mostly straight forward. Like Origins, where you had to just activate the 6 generators or MotD where you just had to build the plane, Buried was straight forward too and nuketown obviously too. I don`t remember DIe rise so I`m gonna say that you`re right for that map. Continuing with BO3, you had shadows of evil with the rituals which were basically the origins generators all over again, but since you needed items to activate them, I`m gonna give you another point here. Then in Eisendrache, you had to press F on 3 platforms and PaP spawned. Zetsubou, you`re right, it takes ages to open PaP there. Gorod Krovi is simple since everything is colormarked there. Then Revelations which basically was rituals again but simpler. So you maybe have 3 complicated maps in terms of pure survival and punching weapons, compared to the rest which is relatively straight forward.

[@Vitamins152]

Gweeen you are right people act like they are forced to get buildable wonder weapons that you have to do quests on and Easter eggs and get specialist weapons no you are not forced just pap on bo3 and survive everything after pap is optional

[@Vitamins152]

Gweeen you mean 2 complex maps zns and soe

[@MTidusT]

What’s funny is that a lot of these issues he has are addressed in infinite warfare zombies, but everyone avoids it because of the game it’s attached to.

[@stevedotexe6418]

Infinite warfare top tier zombies experience

[@gabrielthompson9964]

@@stevedotexe6418 no, just no

[@EmmyEntropy2000]

IW Zombies is great. Totally recommend to anyone starving for more quality zombies who haven't played it yet.

[@cousin532]

has nothing to do with zombies

[@AmpliCrazy]

​@@gabrielthompson9964it's fun but def not best lol

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

I completely forgot about BO4's existence until this was recommended to me

[@kronsYT]

How is it that both of us are somehow in every damn comment section

[@fredmong6159]

What’s black ops 4

[@thegoldenturtle3354]

Same ahah

[@afloatcashew6828]

@@kronsYT I think that it is a group of people under the same name rather than 1 person, if you look at their comment history it shows that his channel doesn't comment nearly as much as it seems, so it must be a cult of like 1000 + people who decided to fu*k with some people's mind

[@juststupidity4118]

did you change your name?

[@jaydenfarrell5108]

Fixing things that aren't broken honestly best sentence I've heard for b04

[@brandynnew]

First half: too much innovation Second half: zero innovation

[@PJisUnknown]

Brandyn New A classic case of “taking things out of context”.

[@brayghost7071]

my favorite part ab bo4 is the custom mapping tools and the amount of custom zombies maps they have.

[@cheese919]

Brony_a_Pony Free Vbucks “CUSTOM ZOMBIE MAPS” literally every ether map is a remaster.

[@dkwizzle9482]

*Wrecking things that are perfect

[@Rob-yl6gf]

I really miss the famous “you need a little revive” “ya thirsty partner?” “Just take a sip,you will move faster” jingles..such good memories

[@toastedninja69]

justROB stop yo complaining about yo bad aiming something the hotspot baby give it all you got it’s the dead shot jingle can’t remember all of it

[@jacquelinelara4157]

Same justROB

[@thecutenobushi5577]

tombstone soda is the best perk jingle

[@conecranium]

thepugliferz 2nd channel I have no idea what you just said.

[@faustovii1085]

Reach a Juggernog tonight god the memories. Perks I love you!

[@DamianRavenhold]

The most hilarious thing about the whole perk change was that they just had to increase the amount of perks you can have to give people more options. Like I could easily see how much more variety you could have if you had 5-6 perks instead of the classic 4. Crutch perks are a part of the zombies experience.

[@mohammadn5591]

Developers were stupid on that choice.

[@seasons1745]

@@mohammadn5591 I know doubletap isn’t really a necessary perk for zombies but god it really did feel insulting it wasn’t added it was incredibly fun to use in the past zombies games

[@mohammadn5591]

@@seasons1745 sure, but it is extremely useful. and how you need to pack a punch your gun five times is stupid and unnecessary.

[@riot9179]

@@mohammadn5591 Nope, it’s not. Also, everyone use different perks in Bo4.

[@kalikeliihoomalu1661]

Wrong. You’re just a boring player. The system worked fine

[@bobbylee2985]

Its not even fking zombies anymore, its goddam wizard's and dragon's

[@TheCrazybearxD]

Donald Trump playing zombies at the white house??

[@gavynbrandt]

Are you really Donald Trump?

[@frosthunterzz]

Donald Trump no it’s dungeons and dragons

[@BomberMan236]

So sayeth the POTUS!

[@mexicool187]

Your fired

[@rhysroberts8377]

Tim Hansen: No one wants to spend 15,000 points on pack a punching *Laughs in black ops cold war*

[@BSizzle26]

@A bird Laughs in 1000 rare salvage

[@Cherry_Meatloaf]

@@BSizzle26 that shit is impossible to get

[@whitelightning5937]

I was about to uninstall when I say that it takes 50k to fully pack

[@niggaman7744]

@Im in hell it takes 30 rounds to get 1000

[@frostvi1617]

50k total and then 52k if u want the weapon thingy added to it

[@TheMarjer143]

You know what they should do? They should make a game just called, “Call Of Duty: Zombies” which would be a collection of the entire Aether story line thrown into one game, as if it were its own individual game. And then maybe, if the Chaos storyline finishes, come out with a sequel named “Call Of Duty Zombies: Chaos”

[@theterminal9354]

I'm pretty sure they would mess it up by adding tons of microtransaction damn you Activision

[@almalone3282]

NO IDIOT THEN HOW ARE WE GONNA NICKEL AND DIME PEOPLE FOR EVERYTHING THEY ARE WORTH -Activision probably

[@The_zenithgod]

That would be a great idea but I’m pretty sure Activision’s greed would get the best of them and it would end up being ruined i think zombies honestly is truly over

[@ramanman9792]

AlienWarForce more money to spend. I’d rather them just make it right without having to take such action

[@mm.explorers7977]

Problem that will take yrs to make

[@TheHIM32]

I tried bo4 zombies when it released. Never did i touch it again, until we first got cold war and then the biggest dissappointment to zombies ever with vanguard. Bo3 holds the top spot. But going back to bo4 after playing cold war and vanguard. It just makes me realise that for me at least it’s so satisfying to play! And it’s the most comparebale zombies experience to bo3 zombies.

[@daniel_960_]

You tried infinite warfare Zombies?

[@bear69_]

@@daniel_960_ its cool but feels wierd sometimes

[@izerison7775]

I will much rather play cold war zombies than bo4

[@charlesmartiniii1405]

​@@izerison7775 cold war may be better, but it has no passion or character. It's as soulless and cash grabby as the multiplayer. At least 4 had passion behind it

[@Ayzuri_]

⁠@@charlesmartiniii1405did u not watch the video? bo4 had very little to no passion at all

[@Nick-rc7il]

Coming from a casual zombies fan Nothing about the story is simple, I almost never knew what in the hell anything was or what I was doing or why. The older zombies were better because they were simpler and doing Easter eggs wasn’t detrimental to progress through the rounds. These are the two things that stuck out most to me.

[@420yeetgod]

Nick FUCKING FACTS!! I really don’t mind bo3 that much, I think it’s a decent game to a casual, but for the reasons you stated, casuals like us would be so confused and not know what’s going on and basically would just go back to the simpler maps. Not because I want everything easy,(if anything it’s a lot harder to fucking get pack a punch unlocked and get the basis of survival set up), but that it’s now a chore to even get anything done without getting fucked by confusion and zombies lol BO2 was the last game I actually bought and genuinely enjoyed. Bo3 and Bo4 were given to me as gifts and not once have I ever thought about hopping back on it EXCEPT to go on maps that are remastered (such as der reise) that fixes the problems on the original. Don’t get me wrong, bo2 had those problems with the Easter eggs too, but like you said that they’re OPTIONAL. The things you do to set up WITHOUT considering the Easter egg, HALF OF THE EASTER EGG IS ALREADY DONE. That’s when the quests come to play which makes sense because if you want a greater reward(if you get one to begin with lol) you gotta earn it. It makes sense to do some chores to enhance the zombies experience. I don’t mind bo3, but that game put the nail in the coffin. Anyone that has a non biased mind that get the big picture knows that bo1-bo2 are the truly last true pieces of cod zombies. Anything else is just a remaster or reimagined version of previous cods.

[@yagmi6182]

i hate the new zombies because the dumb story plot over took everything. i can barley survive past round 10 on new maps mostly because i play solo and even with randoms online its almost impossible because none of us want to do the stupid easter eggs to get pack a punch or fight annoyingly bullet sponge boss battles that suck. and on cod ww2 you couldnt even patch windows in the old school style house map. i dont mind bits of innovation but the core of what made zombies to me and my friends was taken away when they kept introducing over the top easter eggs that were needed to be completed to survive and stupid enemies like the crawling things in bops and bosses.

[@WWEECENA]

My exact thought , zombies were made popular by the casual community , yet they ignored that and made it overly complicated for the youtube easter egg channel clout , bo2 was last zombies i enjoyed

[@WWEECENA]

@MrJamininja so apparently liking casual games means youre not very good nowadays, lmao say that to everyone to everyone that is complaining in the comments lmao

[@yagmi6182]

@MrJamininja i dunno bout that dude used to do really well on the original ones all the way up to id say black ops 2. its all the new story shit that totally drags all the actual fun away, its not what zombies was at all. give me der reise or kino and ill get you up those rounds!

[@Lockheed35ait]

Does anyone remember how Teddy (Sam’s teddybear) was thought to be the antagonist during most of WaW/early BO1?

[@Pats0c]

Those were the days, back when we had no fucking idea what the fuck was going on in terms of the story.

[@edgymasamemes9038]

@@Pats0c Can you blame us? The way it was staring down at the map holding a knife in der riese. And the writing on the wall "teddy is a liar" Lets not forget Samantha's bloody room on kino.

[@estheay3611]

Lockheed remember when we all saw the ending cutscene of the origins Easter egg for the first time!? Everyone came to the conclusion that the zombies storyline was just two kids named Samantha and eddy playing with action figures in their room!

[@lkthree7777]

EsTheAy Uhh

[@DD-ls3mq]

Lockheed I remember that but I wasn’t sure if it was in bo1 or bo2

[@AB12896]

I’m still playing world at war zombies. Can’t beat the vibe of darkness

[@guyguy7068]

@R41 it is scary asf bruh

[@guyguy7068]

Same ww2 is underrated no cap

[@infraredfred4156]

@R41 they don't talk bout it cause it didn't have as much marketing and the mutiplayer wasn't as strong as zombies. Totally underrated though I agree

[@Sirheck2010]

Lots of cool maps (mods) on pc too. So fun

[@richardbrown4634]

@@guyguy7068 mad underrated

[@terminatoroscillator]

I recently got back into BO2 and BO3 zombies after almost 5 years absent - after playing a while, I started to wonder why haven’t I ever bought or played BO4? Well… thank you for reminding me why I’ve never bothered to play it or even remember of its existence

[@diamondshock4405]

Tim: "Treyarch, take out the catalyst zombies and I will give you mad props" Activision: "What's the conversion rate for mad props to USD?"

[@bungiesblueflames]

Diamond Shock underrated comment

[@saundersryan20]

All jokes aside, if the catalyst zombies were removed zombies would be 100 times better. The catalyst zombies and game play mechanics ruined the game for me.

[@tysonmay5522]

This comment is one of the few original ones.

[@eddierabelo5569]

I feel old class of 2012 here

[@diamondshock4405]

@@tysonmay5522

[@vigorouspringle8962]

I just got this recommended 6th months later and like holy shit I've completely forgotten that BO4 even had a zombies mode

[@valinapanui7186]

Thats like saying you forgot water taste like water

[@vigorouspringle8962]

@@valinapanui7186 But the thing is does water really have a taste itself? Or is it the air mixed up with the minerals inside the water as well?

[@vigorouspringle8962]

@@valinapanui7186 Basically I meant that like BO4 was such a forgettable game to me that all I remember being in the game was Multiplayer and Blackout. With Campaign being scrapped altogether it was not gonna be worth my money and the news of Zombies being really boring, so I didn't buy it

[@Brad-qw1te]

Dude who even played blops 4 that shit was garbage

[@vigorouspringle8962]

@@Brad-qw1te Again forgettable game

[@manuelastoria679]

“When you need a little reviveee” “Dance with me jugga girl” When you heard these comments your character made, it always hit different

[@titaniumcranium3755]

I'm sure he said reach for me jugga girl.

[@jjhood6155]

Natalie Hishun he did I was playing kino on chronicles the other day and that’s what Dempsey said

[@JoeyWinsSometimes]

Brings back great memories!

[@bigdoinks196]

"ooh-rah"

[@waaaaaaaspooky]

Your hands are slow, your movements sluggish,

[@tripaloski_6971]

I really liked ww2 zombies, the only zombies map me and my friends managed to finish without having to solve sherlock tier enigmas and because of that easy story progression but hard enough zombies it was fun as hell.

[@TY-km8hj]

It's not treyarch zombies but it was acc pretty good in its own right

[@yassinabdellatifwe3985]

Likewise doing the hardcore ee on the final reich was some of the most fun I have had in zombies period

[@nicko.3028]

CoD WaW zombies is where it's at, the first black ops zombies was decent too. i remember trying CoD Coldwar zombies *it was a free weekend* and...you can pick your starter weapon...? spawn in with a m4 or an ak? where's the challenge there? the newer zombies looks foreign to me.

[@carymnuhgibrilsamadalnasud1222]

​@@TY-km8hj Idk why infinity ward and sledgehammer copied treyarch.

[@TY-km8hj]

@@carymnuhgibrilsamadalnasud1222 my guess is it was Activision that MADE them copy treyarch tho tbf to the devs, specifically sledgehammer, did put their own spin on it so it was copying the concept not the style and gameplay. Ww2 was fun and exo zombies is underrated imo. I can't speak for infinity ward tho as I never played their zombies.

[@JackFroster]

'I think I forgot about something...' 'If you forgot about it then it wasn't important' 'Yeah I guess you're right' cuts to zombies crashing on round 5 at launch

[@ABAgamer_]

(Two and a half Men Sitcom Laugh)

[@killerkitten7534]

ABAgamer *two and a half men outro music, cut to commercials*

[@soopaswoffagus]

I'm glad they'll be using a new engine because the crashing didn't start until Black Ops 3. And it only ever happens in zombies for some reason.

[@DarkDyllon]

@@soopaswoffagus depends, the crashing in older games happened at waaay later rounds. in BO4 (forgot the remake of Five) the Easter Egg was locked behind a certain round ... WHICH NOBODY COULD LEGIT GET BECAUSE THE GAME KEPT CRASHING. i still want to go back to the EE's in bo4 but just the pure restless and chaotic nature of BO4 zombies puts me off. learned a good portion of blood of the deads EE (solo) and then lost my interest because it was just repeating the same, over and over again. i never had a moment to catch my breath, run around and complete certain things, when im doing things that require attention (fucking morse code section) i can't have this random zombie behind me swiping at me.

[@zalshorock]

I miss grief, when the CIA and the CDC would try to kill each other. Edit: bruh Respectively; Zalshorock

[@cheese919]

If I was in solo, I would restart the game until I was a CDC.

[@ab7207]

@@cheese919 wow was i the only one who loved the snazzy look of the FBI

[@pepezuniga3338]

Ab dude i always thought the fbi looked lit af and that the cdc looked dumb

[@ab7207]

@@pepezuniga3338 ikr but all my friends liked cdc for some reason

[@hahahafunny9419]

Ab wait was it fbi or cia

[@user-jb7sg7zv5h]

“Another remaster? YOU BET YOUR SWEET ASS!” 😂😭

[@emmafromh2o885]

My ears were bleeding

[@cornypuffy]

21:21

[@spoongaming9507]

Im sorry, but weren’t yall literally complaining about nostalgia and shit in BO3 and how “This doesn’t feel like COD” and now COD starts to bring the old shit back and you guys are complaining that they are bringing shit back from old cods. It’s hard to make the same game twice yet add something different to it. Only specific gaming companies with the right talent can do that.

[@drphilsranch6782]

SpoonGaming, we didn’t ask for every single aether map to be a remaster and we also didn’t ask for a terrible engine with too many flaws.

[@cornypuffy]

@@drphilsranch6782 Agreed my guy

[@OTG1776]

The worst part about BO4 is it just didn’t feel like zombies. BO3 started it with slowing down the zombies and making it more accessible, making it too easy to pick up and removing the fear factor BO4 took that even further in the wrong direction of what OG fans would have wanted.

[@mayonnaise3959]

What kinda shit take on BO3 is that?

[@OTG1776]

@@mayonnaise3959 that literally what happened.☠️☠️☠️ It’s universally agreed that Black Ops 1 is objectively more difficult than 3 ever could be. It’s why black ops 1 high rounds will always be more meaningful than high rounding in 3.

[@mayonnaise3959]

@@OTG1776 in 3 they made it more balanced with no more bullshit 2 hits on round one. And if you’re talking about gobble gum. Just don’t use them 💀

[@OTG1776]

@@mayonnaise3959 I’m about to play Bo3 right now I didn’t say it was bad but it’s EASY in comparison to 1. Kino Der Toten is thee prime example of this. When is the last time you played Bo1? You won’t notice until you go back and play it. The problem with Bo4 is they went too far from the original formula.

[@mayonnaise3959]

@@OTG1776 I played bo1 like yesterday. And I can confirm that it’s bullshit with two swipes. And you made it out to be a bad thing that BO3 is much more balanced.

[@justindiebels8]

"Tasteless perk system." I see what you did there.

[@BaldTorment]

Tastes like fermented herring, dipped in cat piss

[@ayakashimira1417]

@@BaldTorment Bleeghh

[@iceaim9020]

Wtf i heard him say that and i see your comment at the same time 💀💀💀

[@Zombie-lo6il]

“WHY DO YOU TASTE SO BAD?!” *-Primis Richtofen*

[@morganrae2121]

It's pretty simple. Everyone likes zombies but not everyone wants to open 100 doors and do an easter egg to open pac. The maps have to be simple for casual players. But also have the option to solve interesting easter eggs for more experienced players.

[@supermikealex9780]

Well...Bo4 have done it better then bo3, to open pack in most of the maps in bo4 is easy as hell. In bo3 almost every map have some long time taking process of opening pap. Soe-5 rituals. Der eisendrache- to find location of pap 3 times. Zetsubou- all this generators things. Gorod- to do Groph module. Revelations- activate all 4 gens. In bo4 only maybe night of the dead have pretty long pap activation. Like blood needs only shield from you and Tag der untoten- simply give guy on lighthouse blue rock that is just near the lighthouse.

[@henrafel2892]

Agreed. It's not really a question of being an experienced player or not though. High-rounders are way more skilled and put in way more hours of playtime than easter egg solvers yet they don't give a flying fuck about those "quests".

[@eldudearino1165]

To true, my guy. Thats why Ascension was my fav map. It was the first to actually kinda make a big Easter egg. It was a great map for cas players to go as high as they can and a great map for Easter egg hunts. To this day me and my buddies are convinced no one has solved that maps Easter egg to 100%. But then it just got too crazy. It became a mission (or chore) to get the easter egg in later games which kinda takes away from the fun of it.

[@UnlovedZetsu]

Those dummy casuals have to look at youtube tutorials, just like what I do because I'm a filthy casual and I just jumped into this bandwagon

[@morganrae2121]

Best zombies was Black Ops 1 in my opinion, 2 was great as well

[@JynxedKnives]

First time I played bo4 like a year after release with my friends, “where is jug?” Friend replies, “you already have it” my reply, “damn that sucks”

[@Rick-jf2ig]

Smh

[@warmastertrey9614]

Yea same

[@Drachenwald]

LOL that me and my cousin cousin:uhh So you know evrything bc im just a survival player soo wheres Jugg? Me:you have it boi cousin:FFFFFFFFF delete this game

[@isaklundstrom3782]

True

[@whatsyourname049]

My friend can’t even play the game nor refund it...

[@rankus]

explains tons of changes and new things they added. “the game failed because they didnt change anything”

[@themelancholia]

Fellas act like BO4's easy early rounds are preferable to not being able to even knife one zombie on BO2 because of the absurd health amount.

[@mycatsademon]

how could they remove jug especially when black ops 3 had a special edition that CAME WITH A JUGGERNOG MINI FRIDGE

[@nothin5827]

They're idiots not gonna lie Dying Wish is nice

[@tobbeman1006]

Beacause they are retards

[@r5d46]

That mini fridge is still the greatest thing I ever bought

[@stevensmith5784]

Wow I forgot I really wanted that fridge when it came out 😢😢😢

[@tyler6971]

You literally have permanent jug, morons 🤦‍♂️...

[@ReeOrLeon]

waw - A great start and introduction to perks and add ons. Nothing to complicated. B01 - Treyarch put their heart and soul into the detail of the story. Not too much confusion on the story and a good ending on moon. The golden era. bo2 - Great, some of the best ever maps. M0TD & Origins and Buried. Harder maps, more depth in story. bo3 - More mechanics added, good maps and boss fights. Wrapping things up. bo4 - Dragging the story and adding a new story line - Chaos.. Rushed remasters. Too much pointless stuff.

[@jacobfleming2212]

Actually the majority of the zombie community likes bo3

[@infinite8885]

Lake Ree idk about rushed remastered cuz looking at tag der toten and blood of the dead the remasters seem pretty good 😂 I can’t go back to mob of the dead and play it cuz I’m so used to blood of the dead and how it is it seems way better

[@agssilv5919]

Infinite 8 better graphics and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy easier than mob

[@ohitstorture]

BO3 Zombies Was The Best

[@ciarangod5328]

Lake Ree bo4 didn’t drag the story, it literally only had 4 maps from aether and each of them were about ending the story

[@chrisgilpin6631]

The best part of zombies that I just now realized is when a new map comes out and you and all your friends launch the new map and scavenge around the map looking for jug.

[@Instinctv]

But that's the one thing you cant do in Bo4 sadly

[@USS_ESSEX_CV-9]

Nostalgia was starting to kick in with your post and then you're ending there and I just laughed at that because it's the sad truth

[@USS_ESSEX_CV-9]

@@Instinctv one of the most memorable parts of all of zombies and you can't do it in Black Ops 4 at all

[@eznosqueezy5241]

that zombies player bo4 would be cool apart from the part that’s it’s basically dog shit compared to other zombies games

[@a7md_102]

@@eznosqueezy5241 better than CW and BO2

[@kennyg8272]

this video convinced me to never want to play bo4, then i actually played it and realized this is just you postulating your own personal opinions as facts

[@Cloud9Leo]

Zombie KZbinrs always do that.

[@a7md_102]

@@Cloud9Leo like that one time where no one thought that Kino is Overrated, then "TheSmithPlays" said It's overrated and now everyone thinks Kino is overrated. It just shows how sheep the community is

[@juancruzaldunate5359]

Facts, in 16:35 he goes on about how overwhelmed he is about “BO4 Zombies”... because he got himself stuck in a small room by activating a trap. Also in the same clip, he is in round 28 and still hasn’t upgraded ONCE the wonder weapon. To add on to the discrepancies between his claims, if bo4 is so stupidly easy, with the special weapons and starting with wraith fires/jugg, why is he having trouble killing the werewolf? In my opinion he is incredibly biased and hasn’t really given bo4 a real shot

[@stevenarvizu3602]

“Fixing problems that never existed” And “You cannot relax in bo4 zombies” Pretty much sums it up for me

[@project_ronin4789]

He kinda contridited himself he says early he is invincible but then he says he cant relax

[@SynysterJak]

Project_ Ronin I mean it’s true. It’s all in the game design. Zombies are sporadic and faster even from the beginning, layouts of 4’s maps are all such a mess (even big maps in BO3 and BO1 were simplified in layout to the point where this wasn’t as much of an issue in comparison), zombies come from every corner (bo3 had that problem to an extent, though 4 is more chaotic and annoying), untrainable and unpredictable (aka stressful, bo3 kinda has this issue which is the only thing I hated about it, but bo4 amplified it), etc etc. Might be near invincible but it’s still very hard to relax - it’s all in the details / overall game design.

[@tucosalamanca984]

Project_ Ronin he means in the early rounds he’s invincible

[@gargantuanblunt]

I haven’t played bo4 zombies much but what that means to me is that you can’t even make crawlers anymore. How the hell am I supposed to explore and figure out the maps when the last zombie always sprints at full speed scratching my ass constantly while I’m trying to navigate these confusing maze-like maps looking for parts and other shit. I tried throwing grenades at zombies on round 10+ and they always died instantly from it even when they weren’t very close to the grenade.

[@kevinbrouwer728]

Cant enjoy the game much. Constantly having to sprint to stay alive you can barely look around. Makes some of these Easter eggs almost impossible to figure out. The voyage of despair has a glitch with the levers. It rarely let's me pass this step so I cant even complete this map. Not to mention I always seem to get snagged on things that results in a ko. The delay when using elixirs and special weapons. I should get a refund since it wont let me complete voyage of despair. Game sucks

[@justbeingfunbugg6470]

Blood of the dead had the most emotional cutscene with Richthofen dying but also the Easter egg song video they put out for blood of the dead was more emotional then anything in the game (Thanks for the likes)

[@MoistMarsupial]

True. I still listen to that song occasionally

[@javontetreault6713]

Too bad blood of the dead sucked ass

[@Walumancer]

I remember feeling so many mixed emotions after Blood's cutscene. Sadness for Richtofen, hype to fight Monty, wondering what could happen next. Then the rest of BO4 happened and I felt like dying.

[@DylanTheGlaswegian]

I loved the Blood of the dead cut scene and enjoyed the map.It's just a shame people including my self had so many bad memories getting countless errors when doing the easter egg.

[@bigheadlexgaming1739]

More emotional than the fucking tdt ending

[@Jaxckxx]

BO3 was a whole vibe. Sat in the loading screen with Giant selected just waiting for a bit. Bro that was so good, having the music in the background. Sitting up on catwalk. Ooff. Miss it

[@ksparky11]

Actually playing Der riese on waw or even bo1 is so much better

[@gilberito635]

Ksparky the only reason id ever play og wow would be for the ppsh. Everything else was worse. Double tap sucked, the wonderwaffe took your jug and quick revive was useless on solo. I will give it the plus of wow having the best weapons, in terms of damage, overall before bo3

[@Jaxckxx]

gilberito2001 intelligence spotted

[@ksparky11]

@@gilberito635 I just don't fuck with the gobblegum or bo3 weapons at all, og feel much better to me

[@gilberito635]

Ksparky i get that, like i said, the waw weapons were great.

[@deanb5055]

BO4 was like season 8 of GoT for the zombies community.

[@danielestrada8932]

People complain of gobble gums being op on BO3 BO4: Hold my 200 health

[@undeadhangover]

Elixirs weren't op though

[@Cobalt360]

Yeah one of the things that BO4 did better than BO3 is actually the elixir/gobblegum system

[@shawn2369]

Ok but 200 hp cant really be compared to round 1 having all perks

[@billyshirley4443]

undeadhangover me: Hold my near death experience, shopping free, power vacuum and perkaholic.

[@undeadhangover]

@@billyshirley4443 near death is weakened with a limit of 5 revives shopping free is less effective due to the larger maps Perkaholic doesn't grant all perks I'll give you power vac it's pretty op

[@andreadams6322]

The old zombies was gritty as hell an had a dark an ominous feeling of you know your not gonna make it out I loved them so much I never played the watered down colorful bs

[@estheay3611]

Andre Adams uuh the old zombies had some self awareness and humorous aspects too. Have you ever stopped to listen to the últimis characters’ quotes?

[@1krani]

@@estheay3611 That was comic relief for a story that was the phrase, "You can't win because this isn't about you." The Zombies story in Black Ops ended with the Earth being blown up and zombies STILL being a menace, only now the characters are stuck on the moon with only a post-Hiroshima planet to go back to. Shit was dark, yo. Richtofen was the antagonist and he came out getting exactly what he wanted: an unstoppable army of the undead.

[@finlaymcewan7066]

I don’t even know the new map names, that’s how much I’ve dropped off this game. I used to plays zombies everyday with my mates but now it’s just shit aha

[@mayocan2443]

Without a downfall there can't be a renaissance

[@migrantwizard]

If you played WaW-BO2 here's a reminder shadows of evil the giant Der esiendrach zetsubou no shima gorod krovi Revelations chronicals blood of the dead voyage of Despair shit I don't even play the chaos story classified alpha Omega and Tag der Toten

[@RennyRages]

me too, i bought bo4 w season pass and hated it and didn’t keep up at all. completely disregarded it

[@ericcartman898]

Real shit

[@dantenguyen8812]

@@migrantwizard der eisendrache shit?! you are!

[@jmabs5096]

I couldn't even get behind black ops 3 zombies. Too crazy overly complicated and steep learning curve. I booted world at war... That is what I enjoy. Basic but fun.

[@unreal4139]

People forget how big BO3 zombies was.. There were literally zombies world championships back in 2017 and it was crazy Wish we could go back in time rn

[@finmat95]

big? with gobblegums for pussies?

[@unreal4139]

finmat95 gobblegums made the game for fun and interesting. BO3 wasnt made to be a black ops 2 copy paste. It was something new and everyone liked it

[@finmat95]

@@unreal4139 They don't make the game for fun, they make it too easy

[@unreal4139]

@@finmat95 First of all the OP gobblegums like Perkaholic are super rare and hard to get. You can also choose not to use them and only use classics or not use any gums at all. Sure, they make the game easier but not too easy, since the zombies in bo3 are stronger and harder to survive against. If you even come close to their hit boxes they can land a hit on you compared to waw bo1 and bo2 where you could run beside a train of zombies and avoid any hit

[@nickbuisman5890]

UnReaL Dont mind this man just died while nearly completed the der eisendrache easteregg because he didn’t had fear in headlights...

[@ripped181]

"B03 seems to be the fan favorite" B02: Am I a joke to you?

[@varnox1250]

Facts this nigha trippin

[@Phantom-kc9ly]

The only maps the masses liked from BO2 were Mob and Origins. BO1 is definitely the fan favorite.

[@ballisticbug7068]

bestpsychosean hasnolastname town is an icon

[@stickydriftz]

@@ballisticbug7068 same with Tranzit, and buried.

[@Yahula1edits]

The most Iconic Zombies map is defenitely Kino der Toten.

[@jmchagolla]

The gaming community: "I cant wait to see the future of first person shooters. I cant wait to see how creative companies get with their new games" Every gaming company in the world: *"ever heard of battle royale?"*

[@jwhy9110]

LMFAO

[@redraider7614]

They even put it in a car game... A CAR GAME?!

[@redraider7614]

Chris Dingler Forza Horizon 4

[@a7md_102]

Tim in BO4: “Too much content at launch is bad and overwhelming” Tim in Cold War: **complains about the lack of content**

[@Rowan_0161]

Tim " the game makes you a god from the beginning " Also Tim "the game is not relaxing" " the zombies are stupid spawning all around you" They made the experience more challenging whilst giving u the tools to make it enjoyable. Edit: I like the content but sometimes his complaints contradict themselves BO4 is to easy yet to hard BO4 changed thing that didn't need changing yet didn't change enough Too much content then complaining about not enough content on cold war

[@reaganbrookerbeaumont8290]

Because its the quality of that content. On face value 4 maps at launch is great but when 2 of them a remasters and then the others are underwhelming and having 2 story lines to follow. But then on cold war having 1 decent map at launch but then ni idea when the next dlc is coming. Its really hard to get that balance.

[@a7md_102]

@@reaganbrookerbeaumont8290 bruh die maschine is technically an alpha omega version of Nacht der Untoten

[@daniel_960_]

You have to remember Fortnite was in its prime around that time. So everyone being busy playing that plus just overwhelmed by bo4 which feels inferior to bo3 and misses its identity, left the game totally without any appeal. Nobody had the time for bo4 and it didn't feel like it was worth the time. I had crazy hours in bo3 Zombies. I tried to like bo4 but after a short time just felt like f that shit lets go play Fortnite.

[@a7md_102]

@@daniel_960_ I don’t get how that relates to my comment

[@TheInnKeeper_]

“No one wants to spend 15,000 points to get their weapon to its maximum capacity” Treyarch: 50,000 take it or leave it

[@leetlevolfie690]

*Looks at Elemental Pop and ammo mods.* 60,000 and 10,000 scrap.

[@jebalitabb8228]

50 thousand really isn’t that much though, you don’t need to PaP your gun 3 times unless you’re going for a really high round. If that’s the case, you’ll easily get 100k+ points

[@notveryultraguy]

I can deal with having to pack 3 times but 50k with a garbage point system sometimes you get to round like 13 and you don't even get enough to just pap to level 3 let alone get all the doors open

[@themightyempire3511]

@@notveryultraguy why would you pap to level 3 on round 13? That’s a waste of money. Once is enough until round 20-25.

[@ther6sshieldmain937]

@JoeShmoe120 me, but only PAP once. I can also PAP on round five with a gum.

[@xGh0str1derx01]

Im late to the party but... Since bo2 zombies i always wished for a zombie only game from treyarch. I cant describe how much i dont care about multiplayer. Give us a zombie game

[@maxdam4059]

i agree and i don't want a fucking battle royale that no one ask for that's why fortnite ruined the gaming industry

[@perryusher4759]

Honestly there are enough maps to make a full-fledged game. As long as they stick to the original design for each map. Oii that would be so dope

[@maxdam4059]

@Horseface fortnite ruined evrything i hope it gets demolished

[@maxdam4059]

@Horseface i played it i thought it's not bad but the game was too repititive so much cringey as hell , those 5 year old people everywhere it ruined youtube i miss those tilmes when there were cod , halo , bf and single player open world videos

[@maxdam4059]

@Horseface i just wish it doesn't last longer

[@jasonderes9877]

WAW:started everything BO 1: started and ended the ultimis timeline BO 2: started the primis timeline BO 3: SHOULD have ended the primis timeline BO 4: one big REMASTER p.s. i am talking about the ether story line only

[@htg98]

Jason Deres I find it dumb how they were ALL remasters, pretty stupid

[@itsrya6530]

Bo4 one big cash grab

[@g1starscream01.]

@@itsrya6530 bo4 a game that's multiplayer was only good and should have been in bo3

[@x52wolf12]

@@g1starscream01. nah bo3 had a better mp, despite the movement system. And the maps in bo3 were way better than bo4.

[@g1starscream01.]

@@x52wolf12 only things I'm salty about is the Thrust Jumper/Jetpack. More of a boots on the ground guy

[@ThunderStruck115]

Tim: No one wants to spend 15,000 points on pack a punch Also Tim: I like Cold War's pack a punch system where it takes 50,000 points to pack a punch

[@taloncarpenter597]

Zombies is one of those gamemodes that are deep in player's hearts, and if you don't care for it while making it, everyone notices... This was an example of this

[@revenantproxy9100]

If you're not going to care, just bring Extinction back.

[@unknownastroid_2240]

God no not extinction, of anything tryarch should be in charge of something like that, give them three years and boom I bet you got a real story

[@Zombie-lo6il]

@@revenantproxy9100 Extinction isn’t even zombies 🤣

[@Zombie-lo6il]

This aged well

[@revenantproxy9100]

@@Zombie-lo6il Well yeah I'm saying if you don't want to put effort into making zombies, make a different PvE mode like Extinction

[@KidneyStealer02]

it failed, because of Treyarch caring about that battle royale.

[@User-xl8ke]

I mean blackout was quite good for the time they had to make it.

[@KidneyStealer02]

User2262 I’ll agree it is cool to see the campaign and zombie characters working together, and the map with other maps from the black ops series in one map.But battle royale is cancer.

[@User-xl8ke]

@@KidneyStealer02 Yes. I like blackout though as the only mode in bo4 I really play since I don't play zombies except when I want to grind for my last trophy. Which is getting 25 weapons max level or prestige.

[@User-xl8ke]

@@KidneyStealer02 especially without the blackops pass.

[@buhmoment954]

@@User-xl8ke not really it was shit

[@burtmacklin4497]

Am I the only one who just wants SIMPLE, not overly complicated, kinda creepy and not crazy story focused maps like in WAW, BO1, and BO2?

[@tafaragadze6432]

You're not alone, BO2 is the absolute apex

[@somregularguy]

Burt Macklin nope I miss bo1 and 2, the storyline was great too but you didn’t need to know any of it for the map to be fun

[@joescrewball]

I’m with you on that chief

[@platinumplayss6799]

This storyline has been around since bo1, get over it

[@burtmacklin4497]

Platinum Playss I mean hey if you love fighting octopus men I guess you love this game

[@Apric0tJams]

I think Bo4 zombies aged really well. After time has passed the changes are much needed. Its great to have a different type of zombies to play after Bo1, bo2, and bo3 were really similar. The nice part is we can still go back and pick any one we want

[@yaago]

I dunno man, I'd rather play CoD Ghosts Aliens / extinction mode for a change of pace when I'm tired of zombies, or other co-op game entirely like Back 4 blood, Rainbow Six Extraction, Deep Rock Galactic, etc, not bo4 lol but anyways just my opinion

[@asm7406]

WAW, BO1, BO2 y BO3

[@santi3256]

We didnt give bo4 the value it have on that time, it was a really good game even out of zombies. Super underrated and every single map of the game is good and enjoyable

[@astra3766]

“What are we gonna end Zombies on? Another remaster?” ... *”YOU BET YOUR SWEET ASS”*

[@astra3766]

Gio Yeah, something like Zombies Chronicles 2 would be fine, just don’t fill the actual DLCs with Remasters

[@justaneko3304]

@@astra3766 all i want is a buried remaster and at that point just give me new maps

[@ShadowDarkHeart90]

Gio idk if it’s gonna have zombies, could be wrong but there’s been NO news on it. maybe that’s the tactic

[@robbiesmith2281]

J Dawg it’s in the files

[@joe-jostar]

@@Gio-ec5pc already confirmed, all new maps! i do hope for a zombies game with every zombies map and easter egg since nacht der untoten with options to use every generation of weapons and perks and sub weapons. one big remasterd zombies game.

[@lamp6121]

everything went nuts after BO 2, i don't need vampires, aliens, inter-dimentional beings, ghosts, a wolf-man, witches, magic, time travel, i just need ZOMBIES, that's what the gamemode is about, ZOMBIES.

[@zacharycokos5138]

Lämp I agree for storyline. I hated the aliens vampires all that shit in the story. But for gameplay I loved it. All the new crazy shit that was in bo4/bo3 was just fun cause it was so crazy

[@alexandersveryown4760]

Shadows and der eisendrache were good

[@devilmanxx3266]

@@alexandersveryown4760 exactly.

[@x15tian]

Bo2 had vamps

[@jwaximus1113]

B03 was fine tbh, it actually was my favorite cod mainly bc I played it with all of my friends from school and people online and zombies was fun, I was playing with 60 or more people a week on bo3. It felt different and was so much fun... besides the campaign

[@coleman4840]

Do you remember when zombies was just killing zombies and maybe an occasional boss or two? Pepperidge Farm remembers

[@banginbadger75]

That's another reason why bo3 zombies was so good. If you had all 14 dlc maps you had a choice to play simple zombies on a beautifully remastered map from the past or if you wanted you could play the larger new complicated ones that took time to play and experience fully.

[@tropicalplauge8817]

Do u remember the days were you'd set your bookbag down mom made food you hop on and the boys been waiting..... Petridge Farms Remembers. Pe

[@coleman4840]

MrLeigh it does get sketchy tho on higher rounds

[@Blitzyyyyy]

@@banginbadger75 bo3 zombies was trash except zombie chronicles

[@banginbadger75]

@@Blitzyyyyy I agree I only play on maps from that DLC

[@dukeofdepressed3980]

Didn’t realize I was supposed to be relaxing while playing zombies

[@zxbillxzb]

I just don’t understand how they could end a story like this on a remastered map. I would have rathered then put one or two chaos maps in and give us one really good finally map

[@victortellez6846]

Yes, somebody gets it, I thought the remasters were good on their own separate note with some different details, but the fact that they depended the story n remakes. It just seems like they slugged through this

[@wolfensteinassassin2744]

The story should’ve ended on a map with the Great War and Monty being the final boss

[@wolfensteinassassin2744]

We should’ve collected the rest of the real staff crystals and had access to the true staffs playing as the Great War versions of the crew and taking Monty down

[@victortellez6846]

@@wolfensteinassassin2744 true, if this was supposedly the end of their storylines, you'd think the action would end with their crew, not primis, even though their story ended with them

[@jloe01]

I mean Revelations was just a compilation of remastered maps

[@BigPundo]

It's actually insulting how shit the "full story" turned out to be for fans who played since nacht. Really bugs me how silly it got, a real shame.

[@shinigami_0127]

I'm the same way, the moment you boot up Nacht on the good ole WaW, you realize, "wow, it's so bare bones, but just as if not more exhilarating than the new shit". I agree with you on the story. It was absolutely ridiculous.

[@kejarebi]

I was on board with the story until blood of the dead, but I do miss the groundedness of the old games.

[@Chaos-bg3nn]

I still wish it was just all simple again, where group 935 we're the enemies for making the zombies, and not having to deal with stupid ass alien bullshit just to make an excuse on how badly the story line doesn't connect

[@TheBrandedOne2003]

Everything up until Black ops 3 was good, besides the fake alien and exo zombies shit

[@hahndogg5540]

I hate how it got so overly complicated like can i plz just kill zombies with funny characters not not worry about doing a overly complicated easter egg with boring characters just so i can get a cool sword or my pack a punch machine

[@pyen3526]

“If it ain’t broke don’t fix it” Treyarch: hold my beer

[@Drachenwald]

not treyarch activision

[@JBonjubia]

@@Drachenwald It was treyarch, Jason Blundell changed the whole Zombie formula for no reason.

[@User-be8sw]

@@Drachenwald it's Treyarch. Activision Milked zombies tits and treyarch messed up the actual game

[@karrman6918]

*Grabs Sledgehammer*

[@User-be8sw]

@Ocean Deyy bo2 buried

[@kingoffailsz]

So, I have seen lots of hate for black ops 4. I preordered this game, just for the mastercraft pistol pre-order bonus. It was the coolest mastercraft I had ever seen. The fact that BOPS4 launched with 3 zombies maps? One being set on the Titanic, the other in an ancient gladiator arena, and the third being a remake of blood of the dead?! Done deal. I played so much of that game, and I remember mostly I used Seraph in multiplayer. The pack a punch was much more difficult to get than cold war, but it was such a fun time! Not to mention, all the other maps that released with the season pass. I used to play split screen with a friend, and i really really enjoyed it. I thought all the areas were really unique, also that the game LAUNCHED with 3 completely different zombies maps. I will definitely defend BOPS4 even if it’s not considered “good”. It gave me hours upon hours of memories, and I still don’t regret getting the pre-order. Is it the best zombies game? No. Did I enjoy it? HELL YEAH!!!!

[@oscarjones5743]

People are just biased in the community because guys like this or too bad for bo4 zombies.

[@turntninja2617]

*BO4 in a nutshell:* Treyarch: *Lets take everything the fans like about zombies, and PUSH it somewhere else!* Treyarch & Activision: *PUUUUUSH!*

[@rsj2877]

Actually (and please don't call me a shill) it could be: Treyarch: no sir, we can't change these things and... Activision: DID I STUTTER!!?! (While pointing a gun at treyarch while chaining in a side infinity ward and sledgehammer games)

[@jakerussell7249]

Awesome spongebob reference 😂

[@HM-wn2in]

Multiplayer was also copy and paste

[@frazza5503]

Hamza Malik just like in every other cod game your point?

[@HM-wn2in]

@@frazza5503 not before. Black ops 3 was the last fresh COD. It was original and didn't really take any inspiration from other COD games apart from AW. It refined AW movement. Bo4 was just a lazy last minute job.

[@tavaugheyacannon9067]

Remember when zombies was about fixing windows,killing dogs with shotguns,getting pack a punch but turning on the power Edit:Thanks for the likes

[@tavaugheyacannon9067]

Chyniz Mahss it’s not good in my opinion it took a lot out from waw-bo3 and ruined it

[@lessersphinx3971]

Yeah I remember, but after having played bo3 it’s hard to believe that we could play that for hours. Zombies certainly dipped with 4 but up to that point it was only improving. The old zombies is soo boring now compared to the superior bo2 or bo3

[@CCbat33]

@@lessersphinx3971 Zombies became shit since Tranzit, some redeemable maps in Bops 2 but thats about it. Shangri La, Moon, Call of the Dead, etc were the pinnacle of zombies. Not too simple, not too complex.

[@joenuts1034]

c c still boring today though

[@lessersphinx3971]

​@@CCbat33 if you believe that maps are too complex in bo3 then you've obiously not given them a chance. Recently i started playing bo3 zombies again after like a 1 year break and i decided to beat the Zetsobou easter egg and i did. no guide required. Steps are designed to be easy to memorize and simply doing them once is more than enough to remember. Its very simple. The complexion is only the outside look. How could blops 1 be the pinnacle? its the same every match and it really doesn't hold up anymore. They're classics and not bad but that's all they are now

[@gaeybwoii]

The Zombies storyline was best left to be simple, unknown element found in a meteorite is used by the nazis to raise an army of the dead, boom easy to process. Not all the multiple interconnecting storylines with ancient monsters, different timelines etc.

[@cerwyn123]

It’s kinda been like that since Origins

[@heavenseyes1911]

Origins wasn't even the halfway point of the story though. It's the latter half. They introduced it fairly late into the storyline. Remember, BO3 is mostly remasters.

[@OfficialKritchular]

Yeah but if it never changed then it would get boring. I get that all of this didnt need to be complicated but it soaked more of us into it to make us love the game. Then bo4 came out and shit on everything

[@yaboi2115]

Nathan McBride mostly cuz chronicles but not like bo4

[@roguedragoon9212]

cerwyn123 Orgins was the first map blundell made so yeah

[@Yuhyeauhuhsurebuddy1]

Tim: "BO4 Pack-A-Punch takes 15k points! Thats too much!" Cold War: 50k. Take it or leave it. Vanguard: 75k or your life.

[@brandoncole5533]

Yea I realized that people complained about 15k to basically make a wonder weapon but never complain about the fact cold War makes you spend 50k to fully pap a weapon

[@rileykerrigan7972]

Black Ops 4 just didn’t feel like zombies at all, Am I the only one that felt that.

[@CFC003]

Yes you’re the only one

[@tired.kitt3n]

Yes

[@goalazo93]

I agree and that’s why I played it only for a week when it came out. And I’ve been playing zombies since world at war

[@crocodilewithsocks1834]

Yes

[@Jc_313]

Amitabh Bachchan nigga that shits ass

[@solar_bionic115]

I think if the chaos storyline didn't exist and if there weren't any budget cuts the BO4 storyline and the ending would of been better

[@DuckyShrunks]

Nah, more like adding more plot holes if Aether keeps getting new maps (ex. Primis in Titanic or Ultimis fighting a Werewolf in a haunted mansion)

[@solar_bionic115]

@@DuckyShrunks I'm talking about different maps. A whole different story leading to what would of been the great war

[@DuckyShrunks]

@@solar_bionic115 Whoops, I thought your talking about Chaos. My bad. However, the only way, Aether would've end in what fans wanted is if they used scrapped map concepts (Paris) or concepts they were never used before (Atlantis) to fit Aether's story.

[@fenyx6438]

Nah man it would’ve still been shit

[@backfatfairy]

The game engine and feel of this zombies is ass.

[@dylanmachette6618]

“Nobody wants to pack a punch their weapons 5 times for a grand total of 15,000 points to reach the weapons full potential” *Laughs in Die Machine*

[@Romir01x]

*maschine

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

At least it isn't 5 times

[@killwillv2610]

@@Tenderofyggdrasil I rather have the 5 times, because then I could choose to upgrade further or not and do it all at once if I wanted to. I hate this forced progression PaP. It's not zombies.

[@mathjesticgaming1188]

@@Tenderofyggdrasil you still have to upgrade the weapon if it’s not already legendary. It sucks. I’d rather just pack 5 times, than wait 20 rounds to be able to upgrade a gun to legendary. Also whenever I can bring in any gun that I want in, I can just bring a crunch gun instead of having to use the mystery box. That’s a terrible cycle and makes the game boring as hell.

[@Tenderofyggdrasil]

@@mathjesticgaming1188 yeah but i just enjoy older zombies more, specially bo3

[@Matt-zu2lu]

I think that if they wanted to fix the perk clutch system they should’ve done what maps like ascension, call of the dead, moon and origin did were you could do something that would reward you with the ability to get more than 5 perks like how monkeys give a free perk for preventing them from touching any of the perk machines, or how you could dig up an extra perk slot or how on some maps you could permanently get all of the perks on the maps by beating the easter egg. All of those require you to do something for a reward that is worth it

[@M4cNchee4244]

“The last zombies map is it going to be another remaster. YOU BET YOUR SWEET ASSS!!!!!” -Tim

[@jacobharlan8965]

I almost died 😂

[@Lycan4647]

I was rolling 😂

[@CarthagoMike]

Remember back in the day, when _all_ remasters were released as *_a single DLC_* with Black Ops One, and every other DLC had new maps? Oh, and no microtransactions back then.

[@SpaghettiRuin]

Because they were literally the same map, no improvements or graphical changes so it didn’t cost them anything to make. In bo3 Chronicles atleast fixed some map bugs and improved the graphics, not to mention it had a bunch of great maps, which is why that costed money. Bo4, I agree, it sucks

[@khem8998]

Bro, you dont have to buy micro transactions

[@drpootis866]

Khem bruh you think ima play these 8 bad maps just to get a classic perk?if u don't pay,you're not getting the fun

[@khem8998]

@@drpootis866 there weren't any gobblegums in the previous zombies so why do you need them. You can have fun, you dont need to have your op gums.

[@mostafaelzohirey9187]

well see it like this bo3 had every map as one map while bo4 every remaster is a one and a half map with the extra half making the map as bad as possible

[@clongle]

"You then have voyage of despair" *Shows tag der toten footage*

[@Lunartic_]

He isn't a smart man

[@abnerrodriguez5464]

He doesn't like it so he doesn't play it

[@cheese919]

ThunderBird That doesn’t make sense, he HAS to have footage, not a option, why talk about something when you show something else?

[@SheaSpeXtre]

Voyage was that bad

[@ArthurNarimisa]

Stfu

[@gamerismrobloxian567gamer5]

Little did people in 2019 know, the aether timeline would live on. And Activision would mess it up with Vanguard.

[@addiejpashby9686]

Just imagine the maps on a BO3 engine I feel like it would have been so much more fun

[@mindyourownbusiness3901]

Stop crying about the bo4 engine lmao only because older players got butthurt due to zombies getting harder

[@jacobrawlinson12]

@@mindyourownbusiness3901 why are you on this video? Did you not see the points?

[@mindyourownbusiness3901]

@@jacobrawlinson12 i literally said its nostalgia butthurt points lmao

[@hispananacho1832]

@@mindyourownbusiness3901 true people cant think for themselves and just copy and paste stuff.

[@iampaytowin52]

More fun because you all want it easy af. Smh

[@QuinnSlattery]

"Zombies is so complex and has an amazing story" Later: "My perk machines don't jingle anymore!"

[@deutscheuberlegenheit7452]

Like that the story died that day rip

[@tastygamers4002]

you bet your sweet asss

[@QuinnSlattery]

@Just Another Guy haha yeah I know, I was just joking around lol zombies is definitely a lot more complex than people let on if you're really invested in it.

[@stevenogbuehi3846]

My thoughts exactly. I enjoyed BO3 zombies because of the gameplay. I could care less about the jingles. In fact, I never even knew there were jingles associated with the perk machines until some folks were complaining they were missing in BO4. Not sure what was supposed to be gained by standing there listening to the jingle when I'm busy running for my life (in game) while zombies were chasing me.

[@Dustyholes]

Lol!

[@PassTheSnails]

I’ve been saying it for years and i’ll say it again, it’s because they put story and easter egg before gameplay. Remember when it was just about killing zombies and seeing how high of a round you could go to with your buddies?

[@angelocrespo5523]

That’s not even the issue with this though. Activision forced treyarch to make another zombies game and meet a deadline that wasn’t feasible. They had no idea what to do being rushed and not prepared for this. So they slapped some shit together changed somethings to seem like they did something but really they didn’t cause they had 0 time.

[@damianc669]

Yeah they should add at least 1 simple map for casuals. And then they can add the complicated maps which I reccomend because once you learn it, it becomes amazing with all the replayability you have. But I do understand of the view of a casual player and they should add 2 maps at launch a casual one and a complicated one.

[@GreenNightcore]

That`s not the issue. If they would have kept making maps on the level of the WaW maps, players would have gotten bored at some point. They needed constant innovations and/or challenges to keep players interested.

[@iamdabbing7818]

@@GreenNightcore I think the point he was making is the Easter Eggs are becoming mandatory rather than, you know, Easter Eggs

[@GreenNightcore]

@@iamdabbing7818 and the point I was making is that they aren't mandatory at all

[@bashy_07]

Tim I have no idea if you’ll see this but thank you. My dog just got put down minutes ago and I never got to see her pass since I’m too young to go to the vet. But thank you we have known she was going to pass for about a week now. But watching you videos has kept my mind off of it for the most part. So just thank you 🙏

[@gioelenespoli8675]

Wish treyarch watch this before making BO5. Even if Jason Blundell is now gone I still have faith in zombies and treyarch

[@mrnatas2486]

Gioele Nespoli you’re just wasting faith at this point

[@arrowup8711]

Bud, faith + treyarch do not mix well anymore

[@Cris-nx7tx]

@@mrnatas2486 Eh... somewhat, not really.

[@LiamBrown0479]

@@arrowup8711 they've only made one bad game ?

[@cursedfl4mes645]

@@mrnatas2486 and I bet you still have faith in fortnite being the most popular game again

[@yaelalfaro]

"No one wants to pack-a-punch their weapon 5 times to get the full potential" *laughs in advanced warfare zombies* Edit: How the hell did I get 1k likes?:(

[@Honest-King]

Who cares about that ? Besides when you buy a new weapon your upgraded weapon MK20 will be waiting for you in the printer ...

[@goldentoparican788]

Treyarch took that system and used only 1/4 of the bullshit

[@goldentoparican788]

pepsi man Yeah, but no one wants to spend Thousands of points to upgrade a weapon 20 to 25 times just to get it to max power. It’s tedious and boring.

[@JulioHernandez-vi9to]

Sometimes it may take you up to 5 times to get that fire bomb effect think about out it you pack once and that’s the first upgrade then image again and you have the chance of getting firebomb,kill o watt,turned or cryo freeze so in theory you only have to pay 4 times to get its full effect and also I mean what else are you going to do with your points when you have all your perks and your on high rounds

[@JimsyFlimsy]

At least Advanced Warfare Zombies pack a punch gave full ammo every time, so you could just upgrade incrementally for pretty cheap throughout the rounds without needing too many max ammos.

[@juicedinsomniac5198]

"why do I need a picture of the gun? IM HOLDING THE GUN"

[@frostman4152]

upriseHD idk but that shit always annoyed me. Like who the fuck at treyarch was like, “yOu KnOw WhAt ThE pEoPlE wAnT? A picture of the gun they’re using because they’re apparently too fucking blind to see the weapon that they’re holding.” It’s not a big deal but did treyarch think that this was an innovation or something?!?!?

[@goblinmf7584]

Complains about lack of progression yet wants to pap in 1 go. Complains about too many changes to the core system then complains about lack of innovation. People are blinded by nostalgia unfortunately and I personally like a lot of the changes made. Complains about it being too complicated or too stressful and then we get Cold War difficulty lol zombies should be stressful. If y’all want to play bo3 forever it’s not going anywhere.

[@LuistheABF123]

The story got waaaaayyyyyy outta hand.

[@deadrock1678]

Yeah blame Jason Blundell, dude fucked the story up big time.

[@MorrowindES17]

Agree especially after black ops 3 should of ended on 3 tbh. But Activision needed away to make money I guess

[@hirsizvar9835]

Fuck the story bo4 has good zombies you guys are nostalgic or something of old games

[@johnny3tears623]

I kinda agree I never cared about the damn story just killing zombies 😂

[@jerrybabula7895]

#BringBackJimmyZielinski

[@oneboss7648]

I haven't used any elixirs or talismans either

[@maxgoose707]

whats a talisman?

[@ninthfriend3347]

They're so obsolete. A lot of elixers were nerfed from Bo3 to the point where there's not point using them over classic. Also what's talismans?

[@jaredrom8646]

Edward Maullon you get them like how u get an elixir and when u equip them they’re there the whole game. Examples of some r ones that greatly increases ur shield durability, perks cost less, start game with LVL 3 Special weapon

[@doctor99267]

Same, i don't even bother using perks aswell.

[@5490Hector]

Oneboss 76 ya honestly don’t need any pekrs or elixirs for yourself I use elixirs and perks to revive and help the team bo4 was just too easy

[@angelodeita4605]

WaW zombies: classic. OG. Grandpa’s game. No argument there BO1 zombies: my personal favorite zombies experience. Set the key formula that makes zombies so intriguing. You start off with a pistol and work your way around the map while slowly uncovering clues that help you learn about a hidden story. To me that’s what cod zombies is. BO2 zombies: expanding on the deep lore that is zombies and taking risks, this game had its fair share of good and bad maps. I liked how experimental it was with the bus system in tranzit, the elevators in die rise, and the afterlife in mob of the dead (my favorite zombies map). Also had to mention that mind blowing final map “Origins”. BO3 zombies: improved graphics and gameplay with really interesting additions, but started to become overwhelming. As soon as you start “Shadows of Evil” you’re thrown into this maze of complicated puzzles that would confuse and intimidate the average player. Certainly hardcore fans would love a challenge but these maps aren’t for those who want to sit back and have a good time. BO4 zombies: ah, where to begin. From its chaotic storylines to messy maps and perk systems, this game took a MASSIVE misstep. I was disappointed on how the original storyline was covered. A NEW story? Who are these people? Why is any of this happening? Who asked for this? Even the graphics look like a downgrade. The developers made a mistake and it shows. It’s sad to see this part of the franchise end with a whimper. I think it just shows how something so good can turn bad because of dumb choices. I hope the least they can do is hit the reset button and start up a whole reboot like IW did with Modern Warfare.

[@Viznitse]

Axon Drell i am totally 99% thats what treyarch gonna do with the next black ops, they have no choices but to end the zombie campaign so they can reboot the whole black ops series, prob cuz we also lost some original voice actors for some characters in bo4

[@Viznitse]

mw3 could’ve continue if captain price’s original voice actor didn’t retired. All they could do is just reboot the whole series with different voices and different looks

[@alfredj6221]

If you're gonna say that bo3 zombies is not the type where people could relax then you should add the same point to bo2 zombies.

[@anomalydk6878]

alfred j I totally agree I love shadows of evil if your going to say that the rituals are not for the average player or too complicated than what about origins puzzles for upgraded staffs or all the pieces for them or even the generators

[@dagreenbolt9169]

@@anomalydk6878 yeah shadows of evil is basically a less complicated Origins map

[@lil-_-zoom]

the worst part was becuase they killed our boys breaks my heart still crying to this day

[@Yxpolish22]

Not every story ends with a happy ending

[@ezequielquiroz935]

just as the saying goes "All good things must come to an end" Rip Aether crew (Ultimis and Primis crew)

[@Marverick1998]

I lost my care for Ultimis when they introduced the whole multiple universes shit with the start of Shadows of Evil. By the time the characters died in later games I didn't bother to care because I lost the connection I had with them. I liked the old fashion zombies with BO1 and BO2 and I wish things stayed simple and scary, but I can see why people like the newer games.

[@RockyLXXXVIII]

“We’re fine. We’re fucking Treyarch.” That’s just BO4 in a nutshell

[@kaimuller8759]

They did well

[@zom3433]

Pretty much 😐

[@foxxlawrence7906]

Activision 2017-2018

[@jebalitabb8228]

@@kaimuller8759 not according to sales, it’s pretty embarrassing

[@younomustta6552]

@@jebalitabb8228 bo4 was the most sold cod on release before mw according to charlie Intel.. what are u on?

[@ScottCastle]

I literally forgot Alpha Omega existed.

[@willythespacecowboy]

Castle me with voyage and dead of the night

[@cmoneystudios4813]

MC Gaming alpha omega is a good map, nowhere near top tier but a good map

[@DoubleCuppShmurda]

Me too

[@magez4824]

115 likes

[@LanneeRelicon]

Voyage of Despair is the most forgotten. More forgotten than the memes TranZit and Die Rise

[@Yesking-]

Treyarch: Activision please let us make one zombies map that is brand new Activision: No Treyarch: Let me guess we need to make another remaster or reimagine for a cash grab Activision: *Y O U B E T Y O U R S W E E T A S S*

[@anond5754]

Remasters>>>>>

[@smurfpoppin4470]

I actually like remastered maps but bo4 was shit

[@somejuicewrldfan7761]

I died when he screamed, so unexpected

[@CMacK1294]

As a PC player, I can confidently say BO3 was the height. Not only did you get a great selection of maps. Not only did you see a lot of the systems pretty much refined to their end point. On top of all of that, we got easy, native mod support through the steam workshop. Bo3 Zombies still sees a fair amount of action there because you can poke through the workshop and find new maps. Some are trash, some are excellent. Want a long, complex, intricate map with a lot of things to do? Someone has done it. Want something a bit more relaxed to play with friends without giving yourself hypertension? Also there. Moving away from that (at least on the PC end) was already a bad value proposition. On top of that, you have all the issues listed here. Story wise. . . I kinda just miss it being Nazi wonder-tech/occultism. But they did save the most insane elements for after the Ultimis storyline, so I can kind of push that aside and isolate it as its own in my head.

[@littlejohn8978]

When they got rid of juggernog I knew the game was going to be bad

[@k.i.aparadox1451]

The names McCreamy exactly

[@BattleBladeWarrior]

Yup. I'm great at killing things but I'm a clutz when it comes to dodging, at least in zombies, so Juggernog was my go to perk to keep me alive from accidental slaps. Without that, I'm a walking accident waiting to happen :D

[@JuliaCV9]

THEY DID WHAT?!?!?!?

[@matthewlarscheidt]

I was like what the fuck?!

[@dagreenbolt9169]

@@matthewlarscheidt yep same, first time I saw gameplay I was like what's up with the disgusting HUD, and where the fk is jug.

[@silverspaceman7948]

BO4 in a nutshell: Innovates in place that don’t need innovation, but doesn’t innovate where they need to

[@doomy_doomy2225]

SilverSpaceman recycled ops IV

[@JulioHernandez-vi9to]

So in theory you would rather have another game with the same mechanics and gameplay and same strategy that you’ve ran for 10 years what was not innovative in my opinion the new perk system is far superior than the old perk system

[@jonasstrzyz2469]

@@JulioHernandez-vi9to Worked for BO1, BO2 and BO3? Well, they BO1, gave us New Maps, Traps, Main Easter Eggs, New Boss Zombies, Wonder Weapons and Perks. BO2, gave us the same as BO1 + Buildables, The Bank and they Changed they caused damaged zombies to die when you move to far away. BO2, gave us the same as BO1 + BO2 but removed the damaged zombies change, added Gobblegums, Specialists and Increased the amount of buildablles compared to BO2. BO4, changed the point system, changed the perk system, made training really difficult if - not more than one type of mid round boss - impossible, added talismans (also made previous classic gums into megas and nerfed them), also nerfed double pack a punch and nerfed previously beloved wonder weapons (BO3 did the same), they also continued and worsened the buildable system and easter eggs are really difficult to do alone. Now, tell me exactly. Why did the devs have to implement these changes? Who asked for them? What would have been wrong with staying at BO3 or reverting to BO2 or BO1 in terms of gameplay? Personally, I would prefer the lack of buildables in BO1 + BO3s specialist and double pack a punch, maybe add gumballs. "gameplay and same strategy" is also not true, as a high round strategy is dependant upon the map. While low rounds are generally the same.

[@BewareTheCap]

@@jonasstrzyz2469 While you may prefer having less choice, it's generally accepted that more choice for the player is always a good thing. If you don't like buildables, then don't build them. If you don't like having more things to spend points on, namely more PaP levels, then don't do it. if you don't like the new elixirs then just use the ones that were present in the last game. Nobody is stopping you from playing simply, but for those of us who want more to a map than boarding windows and the same old train routes, some of the more complex mechanics and easter eggs are good things. Easter eggs give players something to accomplish when just running around pumping bullets into zombies isn't enough to keep them entertained. There's nothing wrong with experimenting with new systems and mechanics in a decade-old franchise. Those who don't like the new stuff can either keep playing the games and maps they do like, or work on giving the new stuff a chance and finding out if it's for them or not.

[@jonasstrzyz2469]

@@BewareTheCap All fine and dandy if those things were optional, but for getting to higher rounds you have to build a lot (if not all of those things). At what amount of time do you put the limit for a high round setup? 1 Hour? 2 Hours? 3 Hours? At some point it does get tidious. Those buildables would not be a requirement, had 3arch not fucked up the zombies AI, making training absurdly difficult , or nerfed double pack a punch, or added several different mid round bosses that cluster the map. In previous installments, you had mid-round bosses, but never to the point of cluttering the map. The spiders, parasites, meatballs, hell hounds, nova crawlers still allowed you to train. The same cannot be said for the mid round zombies in BO4 as there are to many of them and they clutter the map. These are not optional things, and in order to stand a chance against them, you need to build a lot (if not all) of the buildables. There was also never any issue with the old perk or point system. The new point system makes a lot of weapons useless. Besides that you can get bluescreens for shooting your gun, in an FPS shooter, because 3arch was to lazy to implement hitscans for zombies. Then you also have zombies spawning in front of you and mega sprinters. These are real issue and to call them optional addition is dishonest.

[@TheSwiftie467]

World at war: the band starts Black ops and BO2: in their prime Black ops III: the greatest hits Black ops four: the band is sad, old, and needs money....

[@Supernamek-rh2xv]

Mafia1997 BO4 The band got kill during a Concert🔥💥💀☠️🥊

[@militantautist9811]

B03 sucked ass lol what are you talking about

[@uchiha_3286]

Militant Autist for real black ops 3 is trash 😂

[@sandwichlegend2348]

@@militantautist9811 incorrect

[@militantautist9811]

@@sandwichlegend2348 dude they added microtransactions, zombies hit faster for no reason, didnt even have guns from the previous games in the maps, all the new original maps they made were damn near unplayable if you just wanted to kill zombies and not do half the Easter egg every game to get set up, and to top it off they took out PHD in all the remastered maps and put widows wine in place of it. Yeah, B03 may have been jam packed with zombies content but 90% of it is not quality. At least B04 had casual/noncomplicated maps like classified and IX.

[@acoolguy3299]

I may be in the minority but god I loved chaos and dead of the night will always be one of my favorite maps. I really wish they had stuck with chaos as it could have been really interesting and a good story. I love how much chaos leans into mythology. Flesh out the characters in two more chaos maps? Would have been amazing. Obviously the problems with the games engine but could you imagine how good chaos would’ve been in the BO3 engine? Like this game had so much promise but alas we got what we got.

[@alwaysatthebox1281]

Yes I love dead of the night. My fav map as well

[@themelancholia]

The engine with worse graphical fidelity? BO3 is worse in every way I can think of, and I am prestige master in both games. Maps like BotD, DotN, and Alpha Omega would be far worse on BO3 because of the aggressive zombie attack frequency and relying on Juggernog. No health cap at round 35 like BO4, wouldn't have elixirs and the special weapons, no perk modifiers, no infinite sprinting, guns not being added tom previous maps.