Black Orc Team Development - Blood Bowl 2020 Players & Skills! (Bonehead Podcast)

[@Suiken44]

I think the way to develop the goblins is to just take a ransom Agility skill at 3 SPP and depending on what you get develop them from there. It’s great because it keeps TV lower and gets them more useful earlier in their likely short lifespan.

[@ForceM1782]

I definitely fully agree with that! Very efficient way to develop.

[@JorisVDC]

I have done it on one of my Goblins and I got lucky with Sneaky Git. Yet I think the proper way to go is go for a random General Skill and that pick the matching Agility skill. This saves 20k of TV rather than 10k. Imagine rolling DP, than Sneaky Git is the natural Agility skill to pair up with. Block, Wrestle pair well with Sure Feet and Jump Up. Tackle works well with Side-Step and Diving Tackle. Yet if you have a Random Agility Skill, you need to save up for a chosen General Skill at it will cost 40k, the same as a rookie goblin.

[@andreww2241]

I would give 1 of my black orcs block early and use him as a blitzer block tackle mb the rest i like your suggestions and will steal them

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hahaha I am glad!! Yeah one guy with Block for the Blitzing is a good plan!!

[@jonathankilby6636]

I'm happy to see you started with the variant goblin team ;)

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hahaha! It's just Good Goblins and Good small-Trolls, right?? :D

[@jonathankilby6636]

@@BoneheadPodcast exactly

[@kingreem1741]

What are the stats besides touchdowns etc in blood bowl ?

[@jaydog2799]

Wrestle on goblins is also a great way of getting your opponent's players prone and foulable. A goblin laying prone is not much of a target, so it keeps them safe too.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Jay Dog, on the money there! Extra points if you can pull it off with a Snotling haha!

[@jaydog2799]

@@BoneheadPodcast Challenge accepted!

[@jellycubed3575]

Break Tackle should still be only once per turn. Still fantastic on the stunty pieces, but it's not always on.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hey Brian! Yeah, you're right on that - I probably get a little excited when I describe it, but yeah it is indeed once per turn!

[@pwnguin4]

Loved the video! New to Blood Bowl, starting with the Black Orcs, so this really helped me a lot. I love the idea of going hard on the Troll and TTM blitzer. Give the Troll strong arm and nerves of steel (big investment I know) and make the blitzer as you detailed. Seems like it could really force some tough choices for your opposing coach!

[@someoneelse7695]

Also don't forget that with 5/6 Grab pieces off the bat, this is the archetypal surfing team, especially with ST4 and Brawler to re-roll both down into pushes: just line up your Black Orcs and escort that LoS patsy off the side of the pitch. In this regard, taking Frenzy on a Goblin will really make your opponent think twice about engaging you. Don't forget that your Orcs cannot get Frenzy though.

[@PhotoReactionVideos]

Fantastic as always, thanks Ben!

[@ForceM1782]

I would build a single Black Orc with Block/Juggernaut/Tackle just as a blitzer. They are a bit slow for it though...

[@simonesc5313]

I play in a league with a lot of dwarves. Any suggestions for the first skill to give to the black orcs?

[@RationalOrc]

Goblin Blitzer: Block, Dauntless, tackle, MB, Sure Feet

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Just a casual 86 SPP :D

[@W1DO]

Block is much more good than I thought. Block MBlow is still great on black orcs. I also want a Block mblow tackle player. Then it's random primary 4 Blorcs & I'm saving for random gen skill gobbos. League means low TV = chainsaws

[@ThanatoselNyx]

I think On The Ball could be a good skill for a Gobbo. It can save you rerolls if you can catch on kick off and speeds up your throw teammate plays. And I know stunties don't interfere as well but it can be fun to make a nuisance of themselves.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Haha definitely! OTB on Chameleon Skinks has been more useful than expected (from a "pass block" point of view, KOR was always great!)

[@donsquires2574]

Surprised you didn't suggest Pro for at least one black orc. Pro/Brawler is interesting.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hey Don! Honestly, I think I overlooked Pro here! After running the numbers for Pro on Theory Thursday, I'm way higher on it for the Blorcs!

[@dayio1]

Defensive is only during opposing team turn :(

[@Maxx43qc1]

Is there still a strip ball skill?

[@BoneheadPodcast]

There is indeed! General Skill, and I don't think it changed at all from the old game - what're you thinking? Suicidal Goblin Stripper??

[@Maxx43qc1]

@@BoneheadPodcast One stripper goblin, 1 wrestler goblin. Throw the most appropriate one depending on the runner you want to take down

[@samael2607]

Getting back into BB, so I might be wrong, but isn’t guard still useful on black orcs, as it makes it harder for your opponent to get a 2 dice block on your guys. Keeping them standing for longer.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hey Samael! Guard is totally useful no matter what! With my Blorc games I've managed to use Grab to keep edges covered so a 1D is the best the Oppo can normally get! I think I'm just a very fighty Orc coach :D

[@willpetry9151]

I have only played the video game casually. My original understanding was to always go for block and dodge combo on nearly every unit first. This is making me think differently about that strategy.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hey Will! Well, Blodge is certainly never bad, but it's always worth having a look at other combos! I really like Brawler on the Black Orcs, sure it's not as good as Block, but I really think it's good enough to let you take Guard or MB next!

[@trashfire9641]

My first Goblin Bruiser level up was a random Ag roll. He ended up with Safe Pair of Hands, which I thought was not so great. How wrong was I. That Goblin is now my "pick-up man" and he's doing well so far in no small part thanks to his random skill. Well enough that he was able to random a General skill and get Kick! What I realized though, is that Safe Pair of Hands pairs extraordinarily well with Side Step.

[@Demolitiondude]

Brawler sounds too risky than it should. Also is Griff and varag in the box or just models that can be proxied as them?

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hey Paladin - yeah you get both Stars!! I’ve found Brawler to be way better than expected!!

[@Demolitiondude]

To me it sounds more likely you getting a better chance to roll skulls.

[@dinoscoots36]

@@Demolitiondude if you roll a push and a both down you can reroll the both down and try for a pow but still take the push. You're not locked into using the rerolled dice

[@Demolitiondude]

It feels riskier. Specially when the original roll has a skull.

[@zhaoyun6859]

Yes I agree Brawler would be risky on a ST3 or below player but is much less risky on a higher strength player like the Black Orcs. Most of the time you will have a 2 die block meaning you can always fall back on the result of the other die....mind you it doesn’t stop you getting double skulls sometimes!

[@lumpi806]

hello ! thanks for your video ! Do you know the release schedule of BB3 ?

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Ahhhh, it's been pushed back to August/September I believe! 💔

[@lumpi806]

@@BoneheadPodcast thanks. It is very disappointing because I can't stand BB2 anymore.

[@mikt860]

Hoping Bretonnian Nobility are soon? Keen to know what to do with them. (For the rookies, that's Imperial Nobility, but, let's face it. Same thing) Also hoping the short story competition will be discussed shortly?

[@BoneheadPodcast]

I'll be finishing up more of the Stories reading on Saturday, so should have some Story news next week :D

[@liquiddude9855]

How is it ruled when you reroll a BD with brawler, can you use your normal team reroll to reroll the other die after your brawler roll ?

[@JorisVDC]

I would think so, yet only being able to Re-roll one die is pretty risky, so on a both down + skull I am always using the TRR so far.

[@arthurrose8588]

It pains me to say this but I dont believe Nerves of Steel works with TTM... With how Throw teammate and pass have been clearly defined as separate actions, passing skills no longer work with TTM. Believe me, I'm hoping I'm wrong about that but as far as I can tell from the leaks... 😪

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Oh no.... oh no...! Arthur, I think you're right!! Good bye NoS TTM!!

[@arthurrose8588]

I'm hoping I'm wrong... considering every ogre, Treeman, and troll have Pass access I'd like to assume Pass skills are meant to work TTM since otherwise what's the point to having access to those skills? Just to stick leader on a big guy; 1 out of 12 skills? Really hoping an FAQ on launch clears that up...

[@mattmullins8054]

is this saving spp new? ive only ever played on pc and dont think ive ever done it

[@trashfire9641]

Here's why you give Block to the Black Orc: They should be your blitzers, yet the skills they come with do not work during a blitz (Grab only half works). Block turns them into proper blitzers.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Totally agree, but I limit it to 1 or 2 of the Blorcs, and yeah - they become your primary Blitzers!!

[@trashfire9641]

@@BoneheadPodcast 3 Black Orcs with skills so far: 2 Mighty Blow 1 Block One guy with Mighty Blow killed an Imperial Blitzer in my league. 😬

[@syteanric]

Block, mb, guard, tackle/stand firm blorcs done. Block, guard on the troll - done. 1 sidestep gobbo, 1 sneaky git/dp gobbo, 1 catch gobbo. Rest are fluff. Don't skill them

[@Stormeris]

I thought Defensive only worked on the enemy turn, not your own.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

It does!! Oops, Sorry if I misspoke at all 😅

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Only in your own turn*

[@pauldalton6999]

Guards causes more casualties than mighty blow and spreads spp amongst rest of your team.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hey Paul - the classic Guard vs Mighty Blow arguement!!

[@Funglutton]

It's totally situational. If you have a lot of bash opponents in your league (Orc, Dwarf, Chorf, Lizards, Chaos, Norse) then I'd have one start MB for blitzing and the rest Guard to maximise blocks. Dwarves in particular can rapidly get a few Guard pieces and if you don't have Guard yourself you're going to be getting pounded in on your turn and finding few 2D blocks on your turn. MB is only effective if you can get the blocks in.

[@josepholdham1159]

Did anybody else chuckle at around the 16:30 mark when the presenter said ball sacker?