Forged fire poker with Heart Finial

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Black Bear Forge

Black Bear Forge

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@jeffreycarter1223
@jeffreycarter1223 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been a subscriber for about a month now and I love that I can go back a binge watch all of your videos. I love this channel.
@Joe_for_real
@Joe_for_real 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate how you try new things and experiment in your videos rather than getting everything perfect before recording. It's so nice to see you whip out products consistently high quality that you are practiced at making, but any time you are trying a new technique there are going to be some bumps and even a master smith can't expect to get it perfectly without practice.
@danp3796
@danp3796 3 жыл бұрын
I'm always impressed with your ability to draw down large material by hand so quickly. My elbow hurts after only 20 minutes of hammering. We appreciate seeing how to do it by hand but I'm sure most of us won't mind you using the power hammer or press to save your body. I for one want to be able to watch your videos for a long time to come so go ahead and use the "toys". Those of us who don't have the toys yet will eventually build our collection. Great video again John!
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, you didn't see the entire drawing out process. There aren't to many left watching if I show 30 minutes on that one step, so its heavily edited. I also used the power hammer a bit in the part that was cut out.
@robertwhitney2232
@robertwhitney2232 3 жыл бұрын
Yes John, I was thinking power hammer 🤔👍
@SchysCraftCo.
@SchysCraftCo. 3 жыл бұрын
Love this design John. This turned out very well. Can't wait to see more videos soon John. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Forge on. Keep making. God bless.
@MrJamesjustin
@MrJamesjustin 3 жыл бұрын
That's a beauty mate. I like the heart. It doesn't upstage the handle, but it makes a great highlight. The business end is great too. I love that 'no weld' idea, and the result is stunning.
@michaelhayes1678
@michaelhayes1678 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Encouraging special attention in drifting to make the heart move symmetrically would have been something I missed while I will try this some day myself. Thanks for including the nuance.
@traildust55
@traildust55 3 жыл бұрын
Love the idea John. Great idea. Again you are inspiring me...
@ga5743
@ga5743 3 жыл бұрын
Sweet poker to go with your sweet wood stove. Loved the video John.
@randomschittz9461
@randomschittz9461 3 жыл бұрын
I’m so thankful for people like you. I hit my first piece of hot steel yesterday, for my birthday, and it was almost spiritual. I “forged” a coal spreader since I don’t have any blacksmith tools yet. It’s an ugly little tool, but it means the world to me right now. I used corn for fuel and it worked out great. The hardest part of the whole thing was trying to draw out rebar on a harbour freight anvil. Haha, the anvil looks worse than the rebar now. Anyway, I’ll get a better anvil if I stick with it, but not before a beat a hole down the middle of this one (should only take a couple days😆).
@doingitoutdoors7083
@doingitoutdoors7083 3 жыл бұрын
Way to go. Keep heating and beating.
@jeffgrier8488
@jeffgrier8488 3 жыл бұрын
I really like that heart finial, nice work John!
@garethdavies3220
@garethdavies3220 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New year John from Wales. Enjoy the videos , one of these day's I'll have a go !
@johnneykrew
@johnneykrew 3 жыл бұрын
Well done sir, I like the split point, Looks better than the forge weld. Thanks for the insight!
@GodschildinNC
@GodschildinNC 3 жыл бұрын
I like the way you did the fineal to get the heart shape. I thought of a wide sideways oval, creasing it with the edge of the anvil, then forming it up from there. I am sure no mater how it is done it would be finicky! Thank you for all the inspiration and direction.
@jdmcwteg
@jdmcwteg 3 жыл бұрын
Great job John. Enjoyed watching the video during my lunch break
@Skinflaps_Meatslapper
@Skinflaps_Meatslapper 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, I had a similar experience with this idea. I ended up drifting the hole round again, skipping the chisel part, then hammered it slightly oval so I could fit it around two pins on a bending jig (you almost did in the video, I noticed). Once I got it over the pins I used a chisel on top to form the sharp center while maintaining symmetrical lobes over the pins, and was able to taper the bottom down to the body from the pins.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
That's a great idea!
@wayneheitz8390
@wayneheitz8390 3 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely going to have to give this a go. Thank you for the inspiration. 👏👏
@DIYTechnician
@DIYTechnician 2 жыл бұрын
Love all your videos. You are a great teacher. Thanks for passing along your knowledge.
@RRINTHESHOP
@RRINTHESHOP 3 жыл бұрын
Nice project for the new year.
@olddawgdreaming5715
@olddawgdreaming5715 3 жыл бұрын
Good looking poker you made John, thanks for sharing with us. Fred.
@andrewoperacz7427
@andrewoperacz7427 3 жыл бұрын
Great looking poker. In my opinion the heart turned out great. Thanks for always sharing.
@andreasfrank6544
@andreasfrank6544 3 жыл бұрын
Hallo John it is a nice Tool you made! For the left and right side would a butchertool a way to shape the heart! I have to try this out! Thanks for your time and you work it's always a pleasure to watch! A happy new year to you and your family! Soon!👋👋👍👍👌👌
@jamesbarisitz4794
@jamesbarisitz4794 3 жыл бұрын
That's a classic. All the style of a basket without the hassle!
@tomcarlson3244
@tomcarlson3244 3 жыл бұрын
Great idea, I have tried to forge weld a poker with out success. I had to stick weld it. I am going to do one of these. It covers a great deal of the art of blacksmithing
@isaacowen3295
@isaacowen3295 3 жыл бұрын
if you need help learning to forge weld Christ Centred Iron Works here on you tube has a great video on it, top guy really knows his stuff, very technical without being hard to understand :)
@robertjohnson9525
@robertjohnson9525 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting concept. Tight up my alley. I like the finicky things. They make for more of a challenging project. 👍
@johnearhart8811
@johnearhart8811 3 жыл бұрын
That's great. I've always forge welded mine, but I like that just as well.
@Joe_for_real
@Joe_for_real 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen him forge weld them before in another video. It seems like John likes to showcase various ways of doing things.
@tonybishop7215
@tonybishop7215 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I came across your channel a few months ago. Really looking forward to see what you do this year. Happy New Year everyone. ✌❤
@caribooskidoo3997
@caribooskidoo3997 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I made a few of these last week. I did most of the heart shaping on the tip of the horn. I applaud you for trying something new on video. I do this all the time in front of the public and always tell them that's how you learn. And making mistakes is never bad. It teaches you something every time.
@faroironandcustoms6577
@faroironandcustoms6577 3 жыл бұрын
Nice one!!! I need to go back and watch the vid about the adjustable hold fast. I kind of dig it!!!
@keithyinger3326
@keithyinger3326 3 жыл бұрын
I'm going to have to mention this to my blacksmithing buddy. I just recently got a wood stove but hasn't made it over to his place yet to work on a poker. Since I call my shop Twin Oak Creations, after 2 big twin oak trees on my property, and mostly cast copper and bronze, I was going to take some copper sheet and cut a fairly large Oak Leaf shape out of it. Then when I make my poker, I'm going to take the copper leaf and bend it around like a handguard on a saber. Haven't decided if I want to cast a copper or a Golden Bronze ball to screw on the end of it as a finial yet though. I'm kind of thinking copper since iron bar, copper handguard, golden finial, might be a few too many colors.
@jeanfrancoischevallier6630
@jeanfrancoischevallier6630 3 жыл бұрын
je vous souhaite une bonne et heureuse année pleine de projets
@stuffbywoody5497
@stuffbywoody5497 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty nice job John.
@josephmaschari1073
@josephmaschari1073 3 жыл бұрын
Great project for the start of the year.
@redwolfknives3174
@redwolfknives3174 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful work! Love the techniques used!
@vincentwesolowski459
@vincentwesolowski459 3 жыл бұрын
The poker looks great! Thank you for the video.
@Smallathe
@Smallathe 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely work of art!!!
@kansasprairieforge2918
@kansasprairieforge2918 3 жыл бұрын
Going to give a go at this one John! I'm going to start with 3/4 octagon, since that's the material I have on hand. But first I have to complete my smithing magician that I bought at Bam in March of 2021. Should have gotten it done before this. But you know how it is, other projects got in the way .
@ИванКовалев-г8к
@ИванКовалев-г8к 3 жыл бұрын
Замечательно, Джон. Отличный проект. Желаю здоровья!!!
@gurvinderkau1e5w18
@gurvinderkau1e5w18 3 жыл бұрын
Heart making technique is cool. Always seen spliting stock and drawing each end to make heart. This is something new. Great video👍👍🔥🔥💥💥
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@MAndersenbamboorods
@MAndersenbamboorods 3 жыл бұрын
Happy new year and hope this new year is as good as last year. That poker to me is perfect.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Happy new year!
@kwaichang368
@kwaichang368 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool to watch that turn into something beautiful. Great design.Thanks, Clinton
@jackdawg4579
@jackdawg4579 3 жыл бұрын
I use the split point method on 10mm bar for pokers, I just upset the end first to get enough material to do the split.
@CarlJohnson-ry3gc
@CarlJohnson-ry3gc 3 жыл бұрын
Looks nice, and thanks for putting the link for chop saw review.
@paulorchard7960
@paulorchard7960 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, nice job! Happy new year!
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Happy new year!
@LincolnRig
@LincolnRig 3 жыл бұрын
I am always impressed with whatever it is that you make, but I am just as impressed with your ability to continually hit a piece of iron Where you want to hit it. I imagine you can leave a guy with an eaqually impressive hand shake.
@xoxo2008oxox
@xoxo2008oxox 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New year BBF! Thank you for last video, explaining your work both retail and video. Most think its simple; its not. Look forward to more on the induction forge - its something I considered once I find a good anvil...
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Right now I'm not using it much because using the gas forge helps heat the shop in the winter.
@Lmr6973
@Lmr6973 3 жыл бұрын
It's always a pleasure and a inspiration to watch you Mr. John. Thanks and Happy New Year to you and your family.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Happy new year!
@stoneinthefield1
@stoneinthefield1 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Ia few video ideas if you want some ideas… love to see a video on correcting common mistakes novice smith make like punching a hole off center etc. (2) how much time can you save forging the same item using a power hammer vs. hammer and anvil. Just a few ideas. Happy new year!
@bearshield7138
@bearshield7138 3 жыл бұрын
nice job
@sonnyhutchins3141
@sonnyhutchins3141 3 жыл бұрын
I love your content. Inspires me to do blacksmithing
@wesleymccravy901
@wesleymccravy901 3 жыл бұрын
I have forged a long time on a cheapo accaiao anvil 66lber. I use a random piece of 4"x ?" X ?" For a larger anvil face. For me, if I am to make a bottle opener, when I use the horn of the 66lber they "want" to form a perfect heart with no effort of my own. It could be the positioning of my anvil to the edge of the stand - not allowing a full circular rotation. The large face anvil anvil, aforementioned, I use has a hole either end in which I drop a hayfork that I have always used to drop a hayfork as a mandrel for final rounding. Ive never made money making bottle openers, but only made them as gifts because bottle openers are as simple as a a pair of pliers/ countertop/ lighter-in-pocket/teeth-of-the-brave/chisel/obsolete(given most bottling companies.... But back to the point... I get a perfect heart shape from my wonky ass anvil. Upward to 3" diameter with occasional use of hardy fuller. I don't care for a heart finial personally, given I am a dude, but V-day approacheth. Heck i don't care much for decorative finial at all given coal pricing and restrictions right now. But endure some will, endure some wont. Its been a warm winter in Alabama though and I really need to get my ass in the field and shoot somethings for our freezer for the summer months. Adios muchachos.
@johnjude2685
@johnjude2685 3 жыл бұрын
I like the heart,I don't have use of the poker but belive I want your handle for------ I'm thinking Thanks Mr Switzer for your teaching Sir
@bklynpa
@bklynpa 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid as usual. Thanks and stay safe!
@jerryhuntjj2885
@jerryhuntjj2885 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice design
@threeriversforge1997
@threeriversforge1997 3 жыл бұрын
Always good stuff!
@gregorygolando
@gregorygolando Жыл бұрын
Great work as always!
@MayotheMaker
@MayotheMaker 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for video! The one thing Im realizing is I need soooo much tooling for blacksmithing!
@demoman76
@demoman76 3 жыл бұрын
Figuring out what tools you need and how to make them is part of the fun. I'm personally finding myself doing more tools lately so I can increase the variety of stuff I can make.
@KarlBunker
@KarlBunker 3 жыл бұрын
That's a beautiful poker. Personally I like the proportions of the heart just as they are.
@mannaz3322
@mannaz3322 3 жыл бұрын
Hi John, Happy New Year. I like the way you've done the heart. I will try it too. Thank you for this inspiration. Greetings from Germany.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Happy new year!
@larryjones4713
@larryjones4713 3 жыл бұрын
Sweet! Wish I had your talent.
@harryritchie6730
@harryritchie6730 3 жыл бұрын
that tundout rellly nice
@douglasfathers4848
@douglasfathers4848 3 жыл бұрын
I like the hook proses John , It will help buy not having to get to welding heat . Cheers . :)
@slesarka_art
@slesarka_art 3 жыл бұрын
Добрый вечер ! Хорошая работа ! С новым годом и наилучшими пожеланиями !!!
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Happy new year
@emilandersson1413
@emilandersson1413 3 жыл бұрын
Nice project and as always a really good video. / Emil from Sweden
@goodmorning9327
@goodmorning9327 3 жыл бұрын
Very beautiful 😍 thank you , good man
@jeffcopeland3958
@jeffcopeland3958 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@jaysanders7472
@jaysanders7472 3 жыл бұрын
I will as well but I think I will make a bending fork that was a great idea there
@demoman76
@demoman76 3 жыл бұрын
I found myself wondering about a triangular drift with rounded corners and a piece of small angle iron upset and closed up a bit on the sides to make the shape easier. The gap from the legs of the angle iron would be great for getting that drop in. Just a thought.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Its an idea worth checking out
@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740
@dragonstonegemironworkscra4740 3 жыл бұрын
Love it! Great video. Speaks to me, as I'm so the guy that says oh this will be kuul n I see it working this way. Then , well uhm, nit so much! I see it happens to you to and it gives me hope! Lol. End result is good. And keeping in mind your final thoughts will make a huge difference in actually making this project in the future! Thanks for sharing God bless and happy new Year! Crawford out 🙏🔥⚒️🧙🏼‍♂️
@JeffSearust
@JeffSearust 3 жыл бұрын
Projects like this get me thinking... Have about 10 ideas on making something like this ... Maybe a heart shaped drift?
@dragonwaterforge
@dragonwaterforge 3 жыл бұрын
Awsome as usual
@daverigby2577
@daverigby2577 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video, good instruction as usual. I surely hope off camera you used the power hammer to draw that out! That's a lot of work there!
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
I did for part of it.
@davidwhiren817
@davidwhiren817 3 жыл бұрын
durable , rugged , Georgius !!!
@vitorgalery3306
@vitorgalery3306 3 жыл бұрын
Parabens , muito bom!!!
@frankgaletzka8477
@frankgaletzka8477 3 жыл бұрын
Hello John This Poker looks very nice and usefull not like this light and slim pokers you can buy in a market It is a very teachfull Video with alot of little Tricks and skills that i can use in my work Thank you for that Take care all best wishes Yours Frank Galetzka
@Vikingwerk
@Vikingwerk 3 жыл бұрын
At 5:30 you nearly invented the perfect tool for making the heart-top. A couple round bars the right diameter and spacing apart might let you hang the ring over them and chisel down between them to form the top of the heart?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
I was hoping it would fit, adjusting the size of the starting slot would have made that work quite well
@bradreiber6448
@bradreiber6448 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice! ❤️
@dmckenzie9281
@dmckenzie9281 3 жыл бұрын
John I have a question. I have done a fair amount of metal fab in my life but am new to blacksmithing and when I draw out a square bar I always seem to get a slight twists in the bar. Is this just a matter of practice or is there any technique that will help keep it straight?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
It probably means you are striking one edge first instead of striking flat. So it may just be a matter of adjusting your swing or it could be anvil height is too high or too low.
@dmckenzie9281
@dmckenzie9281 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge Thanks! I will try and be sure that I am striking flat. That is likely the problem.
@buckwildebeest398
@buckwildebeest398 3 жыл бұрын
Nice marchmallow roaster.
@arlenestanton9955
@arlenestanton9955 3 жыл бұрын
Why do you go to the horn, after the mallet step to lengthing the poker?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
I try to complete one end before turning it around to work on the other end. So straightening on the stump was the final step on that section then it was turned around and going to the horn is the first step on the next section
@beautheige8690
@beautheige8690 3 жыл бұрын
Could you make a heart shaped drift? To refine the shape?
@patrickharmon9459
@patrickharmon9459 3 жыл бұрын
I like the heart shape, but I think it should be bent to one side a little bit to hang on the rounded part of the heart. Just a thought.
@elizabethk8066
@elizabethk8066 3 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on making “trade tips” for arrows
@NickNameNick2
@NickNameNick2 3 жыл бұрын
Hi John. Do you think a V shaped drift would help with the heart? Maybe you could grind one from some heavy angle iron?
@chewyakarieckenicholas6049
@chewyakarieckenicholas6049 3 жыл бұрын
Hey John how would u make a fireplace shovel
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Here are a few videos on that subject. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXvFe6yNd9CZqLM kzbin.info/www/bejne/hp-YZ3uCjM-lhMk kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZa4hX54hb-anpY
@alfiotomaselli
@alfiotomaselli 3 жыл бұрын
Ciao, cosa è quel "grasso" che dai alla fine del lavoro? Al minuto15:43, a cosa serve? Grazie.
@MrGiXxEr
@MrGiXxEr 3 жыл бұрын
It's Johnsons brand paste wax (wax oil mixture). It's used as a finish for rust prevention.
@grandadz_forge
@grandadz_forge 3 жыл бұрын
I was hollering at the video until you pulled out the oval drift. 😆 then i was appeased
@nicksmith7314
@nicksmith7314 3 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing video. Are you ever going to work on any of the viking tools you made
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Thats a long term project. I'll be doing a little here and there over the years
@cojones8518
@cojones8518 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe use a slot punch with a sharp edge on one side, like a knife, so you can cleanly define the bottom of the heart? Might could use it to cut in the heart deeper if you cool the top of the heart before hammering. Absolutely no idea if it'd work, but would a special purpose heart shaped drift be possible? My thinking is that you could bridge the punch in the vise with the poker in it and use another punch to clean up the top of the heart by squishing material down into the drifts groove. Just spit-balling though.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Its an interesting idea
@ademdogan1
@ademdogan1 3 жыл бұрын
Bonjour je voudrais savoir combien pèse votre marteau?
@billwoehl3051
@billwoehl3051 3 жыл бұрын
Ooh, new hardy hold down? Got a vid about it?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, just a few weeks ago
@deryiousbarzee627
@deryiousbarzee627 3 жыл бұрын
Good morning
@markmoreno7295
@markmoreno7295 3 жыл бұрын
John, you did not complain or nothing, so I am guessing that 3/4 inch mild stock is not a big deal to draw out by hand, least-wise not on a big Fontanini anvil.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
I complained a lot, but just to myself
@vincentwesolowski459
@vincentwesolowski459 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings John, Although this channel is about Blacksmithing, would you please do a video of your career in the FD? Thank you! Take care and stay healthy.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
I will give it some thought, but most likely it would be on my personal channel kzbin.info
@vincentwesolowski459
@vincentwesolowski459 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge Thank you John, I didn’t know you had a personal channel.
@wigster600
@wigster600 3 жыл бұрын
Idea for next video; Drifts for heart shape objects.
@steve_wa
@steve_wa 3 жыл бұрын
Hi John, really appreciate the effort you take with your videos. Question regarding shape of stock: do you predominantly use square stock over round stock? Some times it appears that time and effort are spent turning square stock into effectively round, and would it be easier to just start round. I know this depends on the project but so many (majority?) of items end up round. Thanks again for your videos. Steve in Western Australia
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
generally I try to start with material that matches the largest cross section of the finished project. So a 3/4" square poker handle starts with 3/4" square bar even if the remaining areas are eventually rounded over. Another option is forge welding the round to the square.
@steve_wa
@steve_wa 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge thanks.
@AnonYmous-ii4tc
@AnonYmous-ii4tc 3 жыл бұрын
Man, having that line chiseled in there really does make a nice difference. Looks like a twisted pair! Thanks for your time and instruction, John. What was the wooden stump procedure for? Is there a good way to control the twist spacing to be even (1st heat) or is it just with hot/cool spots where you want it to twist more/less?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Straightening the twist without deforming the crisp edges.
@michaelmitchell4806
@michaelmitchell4806 3 жыл бұрын
Hey John, what kind of brush do you use to put on your paste wax with?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Its just a disposable paint brush. They're good for about one can of wax
@FallenAnvilForge
@FallenAnvilForge 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of blade is on your chop saw? Love this project, looks great.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Thats a toothed carbide blade made for the purpose, as is the saw. I'm not sure if you can run that style of blade in any chop saw, the RPM may be different. I reviewed that saw here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJ_MnJWIacqjnMk
@FallenAnvilForge
@FallenAnvilForge 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge Thanks John :)
@thethinbrownduke6412
@thethinbrownduke6412 3 жыл бұрын
G'day All, Matty D. here, great vids last year, great start to this one as well. Thanks very much for your hours you put in John. Induction Forge Question - when you were heating up the handle end of the poker...... Could you have used the induction forge? At what stage would you decide to use a gas forge over the induction forge? What are the main influences you find that make you come to the conclusion of which forge to use eg. weather, length of material etc? Kind regards, Everybody stay Safe and Well
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
right now the shop is below freezing in the mornings, so the gas forge is my first choice because it puts out more heat. But other than that is just has to do with how much of the project will fit into the coil.
@robertdoyle5632
@robertdoyle5632 3 жыл бұрын
It’s hard watching you draw out the poker by hand with the power hammer in the background. Use it we don’t mind
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, but so many people do mind. On the other hand its tough to beat your body up when you don't have to, so I do think this year we will see the big tools more often
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