BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera Showdown - 6K vs 4K - Real World Tests & Comparisons!

[@chennyye28]

did you make a little mistake in around 15:30? I saw the BMPCC 6K is at 50fps (HFR on), and feel like the deta you gave for BMPCC 4k is at 24 fps, as generally speaking 6k shall be 2.x times deta rate than 4k.

[@JustinPhillip]

Chenny Ye叶倩甫 Ahhh, that’s a good catch!!! Yes the data would be 2x more. Whoops!! Thanks for catching that!

[@chennyye28]

@@JustinPhillip But a really nice job done! I would go for one more BMPCC4k if I have to go with two cameras, expecially as I use native m43 lens. Cheers!

[@LukeAyers]

VERY HELPFUL COMPARISON! Thanks man. You helped me make a decision between these. You're doing a fantastic job!

[@JustinPhillip]

Thanks!

[@izzieb]

This is one of your best presented videos yet I think and full of good information. Thanks!

[@JustinPhillip]

Izzie Thank you!

[@izzieb]

@@JustinPhillip You're welcome! Found your channel when I first got my BMPCC 4K. Can see the channel maturing and become more polished.

[@JustinPhillip]

Izzie Awesome! Thank you

[@marshpw]

These were the tests I was looking for! I can image the differences by reading the specs, but I just really wanted to see it. Thank you!

[@Soldier_Sean]

I love my bmpcc 4k! It's a game changer. The 6k isn't necessary for another year or two, it's way too expensive for the ends to justify the means.

[@rockout13productions]

In my viewing opinion, I don't see a huge difference... The BMPCC 6K has a bit more of texture (sharper image), but the BMPCC 4K with Metabones is closer to a full frame. I personally prefer the BMPCC 4K. Thanks for making this video.

[@xtra4u210]

Am laughing at sooooo many guys who miss the obvious on crop factor. I have several of these as well as both Metabones etc. This misguided notion of a preference for the 4K is your prerogative, but a little tip. The 6K will in every test floor the 4K by standing a metre or so further back for a real full frame look. Better DOF and more latitude in post. Same applies to anyone using a 4K model with non Metabones or speed booster as simple EF converter. Just step back and voila NO CROP........LOL. That is another reason why buying the Magicbooster for the 6K is a flawed decision. There can only be one reason for buying a speed booster....period eg if you need that one extra f stop, due to using an inferior lens. Am not criticising the 4K model as have three, and each model has its pluses etc.. Some of these review guys are so full of BS and they never think outside the box as to what is a fair money saving work around instead of this obsession with speed boosters..........get a bette fat lens lol.

[@haysoos123]

@@xtra4u210 What's "better DOF"? Crazy that people still say that. You mean shallower at the same iso/aperture? With a speedbooster on the 4k, the difference is not that much for the same aperture. Also, a lot of times you want deeper focus so that more things stay in focus at the same time. Also... saying that the only reason to get a speedbooster is if you need an extra stop due to using an 'inferior' lens is just dumb. What if you want to use a BETTER lens (for your needs) with a different mount and also want the extra stop? Sure it tweaks the optics of the lens a little bit, but not enough to really matter. And at the wide end, there are many times when you can't just step back obviously. I don't see a lot of people 'obsessed' with speed boosters. It's a tool, nothing less nothing more.

[@xtra4u210]

haysoos123 Some relevance in what you say, but seriously dude, these reviewers are mainly arse holes who are blinded by technology, get perks if not freebies and very few think outside the box,.......and oh, if you can't step back another metre, you are in the wrong game. Every decent cameraman should have several lenses that takes care of this situations. So for money that is a lame excuse, and BTW if you wanted less DOF and more detail, then invest in an appropriate lens. Or get yourself DJI pocket Osmo or similar. All serious fil makers have craved for DOF. For years, and now we have it, you throw in a spanner into the discussion. As I said I get the best out of each model that am lucky enough to own, but there is so much bs about that it owes me off that some poor sod hangs on to every word that these reviewers utter. Use yr head, be creative and find a $ free workaround. Don't allow yourself to be sold on some new gadget because it's suddenly jumped upon by gadget reviewers. I have approx 60 lenses and whist that is not necessary. Three or four lenses would be better option than some speed booster, or magic booster, or quip about 4K 6k Ben comparisons. All flawed comments IMHO. Extra optics whether added on the front of a lens or to its rear as in the case of a speed booster has side effects of a softer image. Eg the viltrox can be as good as a Metabones in certain conditions but not its equal towards any edge with aberration. An amateur may consider the drop in quality to be acceptable or unnoticeable, but each to their ow on these boosters. Check out test with and without, your eyes should spot the difference and if not, .......go to Specsavers in the UK for advice. Lol

[@HANIRAQ]

Thank you for your efforts. i prefer pocket 4k + Speedbooster.

[@falconawesomeness1141]

I remember back in the day when you had to avoid the sun while shooting with BM cameras because of the dreaded black spot when the highlights clipped.

[@leebrandt33]

Gotta be honest with you, slapping a Rec709 lut for a highlight roloff test I think is detrimental, as it reduces dynamic range by 3 stops. As I've been commenting on these types of videos, a color managed timeline is how you get the best dynamic range out of these cameras. UPDATE: now that I've seen the rest of the video, I see that you've come to the same conclusion. Cheers, good work

[@JustinPhillip]

Lee Brandt Also, i did actually grade the highlight rolloff footage, i still used the LUT but did push & pull on the Primary Wheels. 🙏🏼

[@alemandarino]

That's interesting comparing to Tom Antos tests. Results there were quite different.

[@JustinPhillip]

I'll have to check his out, i didn't see his tbh

[@JacobsLadderProductions]

"You're OK with the Pocket 4K"... Brilliant! Love your videos man, and love my 4K.

[@JustinPhillip]

LOL thank you!

[@realfilms2009]

Great test, congrats! I wonder why you use 2 different Metabones and which is your favorite ? Seems I prefer XL, because the wider angle.

[@JustinPhillip]

RealFilms i own both, so i thought, why not? I like the cine lock for my pocket 4K, and i keep XL on my GH5 for a little bit wider field of view for my photography

[@realfilms2009]

Justin Phillip Hi, I understand, so you use more Ultra version with the P4K?

[@JustinPhillip]

RealFilms yeah. The XL does get you a tad closer to full frame look, but the Ultra that i have is a Cine Lock, and i much prefer that.

[@alessandrovalentino3406]

Very helpful. Thank you so much!

[@reanetsemoleleki8219]

That's some top shelf orange and teal action in that low light test.

[@optimumfilms]

So, why does the metabones introduce more contrast? Or when u use the dummy adapter, is the center of the lens lower contrast? Much "milky"er image with the dummy. With the metabones it looks like the 4k cuts awesome with the 6k. Great video! Gonna watch it twice. 😁

[@JustinPhillip]

optimumfilms Yeah i noticed the “haze” with the dummy adapter as well. I think it’s due to the flange size of the dummy adapter. Too much dead space perhaps? It’s just creates a dark funnel for the light to bounce around in...🤔

[@optimumfilms]

@@JustinPhillip sounds logical. I will check that out on some of my future lens tests. Great video! Keep it up!

[@BadKarma714]

For us that's don't understand what I DCI and braw 3:1 and is the dummy adapter like a speed booster but just does nothing?

[@robbyubisi4294]

dummy adapter allows a different lens mount, speed booster does same + depending on model change FOV + extra light. 3:1~ 12:1 those are compression levels by the raw codec

[@gaboguerra950]

Awesome review! Thank you! By the way, there might be another alternative to solve full frame look and 6K. Would be using P6 with LucAdapter Magic booster. It’s 6K and 1.1X lens crop. (More money but is there). Somerhing else: I see by the stills that you’re getting better at lighting skills and taste ! Keep on

[@zainventuri7881]

I just subbed because you told us you where shooting feature films and was gonna show us the bhs. Please go in-depth on selling your features i.e distribution....

[@JustinPhillip]

Zain Venturi They’re not my movies. I was hired as Cinematographer. I discuss paid gigs over on the Patreon: www.patreon.com/justinphillip

[@walbl999eva]

Looks like the real winner is Metabones Speedbooster. What about p6k with CineEye Magic Booster, did you try that out?

[@tonysylvers2265]

This truly helped a lot, thanks!

[@JOEBLACK1979]

awesome as usual bro!

[@usernamenotvisibIe]

Holy shit, the differences in low light capabilities are huge! Even with the dummy adapter the 4k let's in more light than the 6k...interesting. Thanks buddy!

[@JustinPhillip]

Javier Aguirre Yea man! Isn’t that crazy!

[@usernamenotvisibIe]

@@JustinPhillip let me ask you, do you notice any difference in how the Buttery LUT affects footage shot at Constant Bitrate 3:1 vs 12:1?

[@kendrickgray2873]

6k for the win

[@my2cents198]

Ready and waiting !!

[@philpritchard5173]

Grt video. Thx. Would be really interested to see you compare the Ursa G2 with the 4k.

[@JoseLuisToledo]

Can you please make a tutorial about how you expose and graded the real state vídeo??

[@Scalpp]

Hey Justin, what made you choose the Zeiss instead of the Leicas?

[@JustinPhillip]

Cheaper! LOL but idk, i like the cooler temps over the warm, plus i'm a sucker for the Zeiss 3-D "pop"

[@rickvestuto]

The 6K in 2.5K looked so awesome over the 4K on my 2.5K 144hrz ROG screen BTW.....Whos the super HOT model ?? regards, Rick

[@JustinPhillip]

lol My wife!! LOL thanks! good to know about the hi-rez too!

[@Filmmaker809]

Will the features go into festivals Justin?

[@JustinPhillip]

Shark I doubt it. LOL

[@Filmmaker809]

Come on man, they look good!

[@Krakadillaz]

great review man, thx

[@AndyKunkel]

I remember watching one of the videos on the black magic KZbin page and they explained that they couldn't use DCI anymore due to a copyright issues or something like that

[@JustinPhillip]

Andrew Kunkel Are you sure that wasn’t in regards to CinemaDNG RAW files? 4K DCI is just a theatrical resolution.

[@AndyKunkel]

@@JustinPhillip you know what, I think you're right. I watch every single update video they have on their KZbin page, I probably have to watch a few hours worth before I find the note but if I do find it I'll send the link your way. By the way have you done any editing on DaVinci Resolve? I switched from premiere pro over to DaVinci Resolve early 2019, I never looked back haha

[@JustinPhillip]

@@AndyKunkel I still edit in Premiere, but grade in Resolve. Premiere handles text, graphics, and exporting formats much better, imo. But Resolve is the standard for color grading and it definitely takes the crown in that category.

[@Pierluca72]

Thank a lot for the test. I really like the 0.64 speed booster. Crap, now I have to buy it. I have the 0.71. Well that could be because of your beautiful lenses.

[@leojames2050]

Great insight Justin! Do you skateboard by the way? :)

[@JustinPhillip]

Leo James Yes i do! Huge part of my story/past/culture! Love it!

[@leojames2050]

Justin Phillip do you have any skate footage that you shot? And have you made content for the berrics before?

[@JustinPhillip]

Leo James The most recent skate thing i have is this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5qzipyDn76olac and as for the Berrics... I WISH! lol

[@nickdubesa8068]

thank you for this. i’ve heard the bmpcc 6k records a great 1080 image over the bmpcc 4k, have you noticed that to be true at all? i’d love to work with a downsampled 1080 image in post.

[@JustinPhillip]

i'm sure it does, it's able to record higher resolution, so the down sample will be much more refined.

[@nickdubesa8068]

Justin Phillip makes sense. thanks

[@henrichromanovich]

ok Batman, you got me subbed

[@JustinPhillip]

Henrich Romanovich 🤣🤣🤣👏🏼🙌🏼 Thanks!

[@rafaelriquenioficial]

How does the 4k autofocus buttom works with metabones ultra?

[@vloggingpractice8077]

I vote for bmpcc 4k! Ps. I'm watching old episodes of Inspector Columbo, does anyone knows with what equipment that show is made, camera, lenses etc...

[@JustinPhillip]

Vlogging Practice 35mm Film, Spherical lenses, that’s all i can dig up on it.

[@vloggingpractice8077]

@@JustinPhillip Thanx for a fast response. Keep doing a great work!

[@bigdap100]

The BMPCC6K is way sharper with better dynamic range...easy. And the 6k is a better value if you’re using the Metabones Speedbooster with the 4K (my personal setup).

[@deyomash]

I dont own a bmpcc x K atm, but planning on getting one next. I am thinking about the 6k because i think its more future proof, price tagg in the end is the same after a speedbooster etc. Your point that one can not film in 4k RAW or hd RAW etc is legit. However, if my biggest worry would be that 6k footage in RAW 3:1 (which i believe stands for compression of the RAW) is too big, how about filming 6k RAW in 12:1 for example to keep the file size down? Would that look worse than say 4k prores? 1) i dont know if my pc can even handle 6k.. and 2 ) i think if it works, 6k can always be used in whatever compression if i want to have more or less detail, using compression. Any thoughts that could help?

[@JustinPhillip]

yes tis true. But just keep in mind, literally every codec, except 6K BRAW is a windowed sensor. And you can only do up to 50fps in 6K BRAW. so if you plan on shooting in anything except 6K BRAW, you're sensor will be windowed, and it's quite a bit, that's why i say, something like the P4K + Metabones combo is a much better idea. Wider FOV, with essentially the same DOF (because of the speedbooster). just my thoughts when comparing these two specific cameras. as you saw from the tests, the 4K with the dummy adapter is about the same FOV you get with the 6K when shooting in full 6K BRAW. so anything other than 6K BRAW is going to be a much tighter FOV than that...which i'm not really a fan of, especially considering my lenses are full frame lenses, and the P4K + Metabones XL gives you a 1.1 crop, so that's literally only .1 away from full frame equiv.

[@deyomash]

@@JustinPhillip yes. I agree on everything. I personally like 6k look bit better, but only side by side tbh. What about future? I feel like 4k is getting out of fashion already whereas 6k is coming and will do for the next years. Also reframing, picking stills is great in 6k..

[@Dir.JGFilm]

Which one did you end up buying, I’m on the fence too

[@deyomash]

@@Dir.JGFilm non bro. But if i had to choose now..the 4k. Ebd up saving at least 1k money and i honestly think 4k res is enough. The arri alexa produces a clean 3.8k image i believe..more than enough to look good! Look at enough sample footage, and just pick. I say 4k :)

[@originalmusician1098]

The XL 0.64 image appears to me to be softer. Does it just appear this way because it lets in more light or is the image actually softer? Does anyone else notice this?

[@JustinPhillip]

Yeah it does appear bloomy, the highlights anyways, but they may be because the XL actually technically is over exposed by 1/3 because the XL gains you one and one third stop of exposure. but i would argue that the softness is more apparent on the dummy adapter than on the XL. Vimeo might be better for comparison : vimeo.com/387799809

[@mikemacfadyen1972]

Hope your ok man and still making films, good filming

[@McarthurBeard]

great job if you would of threw in a m43 lens in the mix this would of been even golden i would love to see the meike cine lens compared. it help me know if i should upgrade to a speedbooster combination or just stick with m43. but beside that this help my decision of staying with the 4k over the 6k and if i do get a speedbooster i want the xl64

[@JustinPhillip]

That was the point of the dummy adapter. Pretty close to MFT. And i only say that because the dummy adapter causes you to lose about a 1/3 stop of light. But other than that, that’s what you’d get.

[@terralukemedia8691]

Great Video but native iso for better low light performance is iso 3200 where you will get 6.5 stops below and 5.6 stops above as opposed to ISO 1250 7.8 stops below and 4.3 stops above. So by you choosing 1250, you lose more than 2 stops of low light capabilities.

[@JustinPhillip]

Terra Luke Media the 3200 has so much more noise in it tho

[@terralukemedia8691]

Justin Phillip maybe on the 4K because I’ve owned both and shot with it for a month. The performance on the pocket 6k at native iso 3200 is better than 1250. You have to light your scene for your sensor latitude which is 6.5 below & 5.6 above. The latitude for the pocket 4K at iso 1250 is 8.5 below & 3.8 above at iso 3200 it is 7.2 below and 5.1 above. The sensors perform differently of course. Setting the same iso is not a good way to judge low light performance without taking these facts into consideration.

[@JustinPhillip]

@@terralukemedia8691 fair enough

[@Trazynn]

What bitrate do you export your videos as?

[@BryanEnsign]

This comparison was fantastic to see the size comparison. Thank you!

[@BadKarma714]

Can't wait to see this video when can we meet up In LA I would like to look at your black magic pocket cinama Camera's maybe you would let me check it out

[@JustinPhillip]

dude! you never emailed me! you're one of the winners of the SWAG contest, bro! you want a hat or a Tee ?

[@BadKarma714]

@@JustinPhillip what's is your email

[@JustinPhillip]

BadKarma 714 [e-mail]

[@BadKarma714]

@@JustinPhillip I found it on your website bro I sent your a email with my address and phone number bro

[@BadKarma714]

@@JustinPhillip feel free to text or call me when ever you want when ever you have free time I would like to meet up with you in L.A. I take the train once a month with my Gimbal and Film around Union station.

[@SeezSantos]

Locked and loaded!

[@marloncantillano7641]

To do a true apple to apple comparison you need a LucAdapters Magic Booster for the BMPCC6K. Once you use that the Field of view is the same as a Full Frame Sensor rather than Super 35 plus it allows more light.

[@JustinPhillip]

interesting, i've never heard of a LucAdapters Magic Booster. But that would make the price tag go up even more...

[@marloncantillano7641]

Justin Phillip agreed on the price going up. I have one. Is a company based in Italy and they have the same for the ursa mini. They did it as a Kickstarter last year!

[@JustinPhillip]

@@marloncantillano7641 Crazy!

[@spetsovich]

I saw the video title and was afraid to watch it. I was afraid that Justin went to the BMPCC6k "darker" side of things. But!, he didn't, which totally validates me as a BMPCC4k owner and as a person! LOL, Just kidding. Thanks for your review, man! Perhaps you need a second camera and camera man for one of your features? I am in Sacramento and haven't been to LA in a while...

[@JustinPhillip]

spetsovich Hey, now you’re talking!

[@spetsovich]

@@JustinPhillip No problem. Let me know if you have a use for another cam though. Cheers

[@McarthurBeard]

what do the zeiss contax 50mm becomes on the xl64?

[@JustinPhillip]

50 x .64 x 1.9

[@HusaynTanyi]

need some of your analysis with the lowlight test. with youtube compression we can't really see any difference. could you please tell us who won the low light test and how big is the difference?

[@JustinPhillip]

Ebot TANYI Is this a joke? This is in 4K and you’re the first person to think they look the same. Please check your internet settings.

[@HusaynTanyi]

@@JustinPhillip oh I see. Must be because I have a 1080p monitor then. Also streaming in 1080p.

[@JustinPhillip]

Ebot TANYI Yeah, may want to check your contrast or brightness levels as well. It’s very noticeable differences. lol

[@HusaynTanyi]

@@JustinPhillip got it

[@katlis]

I have the LucAdapters 0.71x "magic booster" on my Pocket 6K. Big difference in FOV, and of course, an extra stop of light is nice. It also comes with a better IR cut filter. Check out "katlis" on Vimeo for a couple of clips.

[@mrwashur1991]

Jesus, that 6k is data hungry.. As expected it'll cost my soul just to feed it media. Plus redundancy for editing and redundancy for editing back up. Looking at probably another $1,000-$4,000 in HDD space for a medium length video, and that doesn't even include on set redundancy. Plus I can record my P4k to my original bmpcc Sandisk UHS-1 64GB in 12:1 no problem (24p). P4k rips. Now if they made the 6k a modular mount system and sell the native mounts for different lenses that would be rad.

[@insanedb]

Hi Phillip I see that you use the Buttery Lut, Have you tried the Emotive Color www.emotivecolor.com/ or the Grainzilla Arri Rec 709 grainzilla.com/gz-lut-arri-rec709-for-bmpcc-4k-6k/ luts ? would be great a side by side comparison :)

[@aholder4471]

Uuuhhhhh. 4k would be downsampled from a 6k sensor, hence not raw....it would be cropped...

[@JustinPhillip]

Aaron Holder what are you talking about? just because its a cropped sensor? that has nothing to do with RAW. Plenty of cinema cameras, including both of these, have different resolutions with a cropped sensor and still shoot in RAW

[@MusaDays808]

Haha! I'll Stick To 4K For Now 😀 Hell, Even My Old 1080p Nikon D5300 Would Do Just Fine 😅

[@Prinz2United]

Amazed.

[@Prinz2United]

Any recommendation of the tools needed for film making when trying out the pocket cinema 4k ? The lens? The monitor etc? Additional tools

[@BadKarma714]

I missed the Live video 😭

[@JustinPhillip]

A couple of the individual tests are also over on Vimeo: vimeo.com/filmedbyjustin

[@leebrandt33]

I do prefer the Pocket 6k since it does have better dynamic range 😊

[@JustinPhillip]

Lee Brandt Yeah, i noticed that as well. But i’ll defend my Pocket 4K/Metabones combo the best i can 🤣🤣😜

[@leebrandt33]

@@JustinPhillip oh don't get me wrong man, it's a fantastic camera, worthy of shooting feature films with

[@TimotheosEnterprisesMedia]

They want you to buy the URSA Pro.

[@CCozart]

FYI comparing a variety of variables is very hard to follow

[@JustinPhillip]

as opposed to what?

[@JustinPhillip]

I think these are pretty decent REAL WORLD scenarios

[@JustinPhillip]

but you're more than welcome to do your own :)

[@RandomMotoThings]

not going to lie, your test seems to be a lot different than other tests ive been seeing. Its kind of weird how you got different results than everybody else. Not sure why. For example, theres no way the pocket 4k lets in more light than the 6k with no speedbooster. Seems like in your video that was the case.

[@JustinPhillip]

Daimen Parker I’m sure there’s many different scenarios that present different results. Don’t know what to tell you 🤷🏻‍♂️ I think the 6K’s problem may be the size of the flange distance. The sensor is shoved so far back from where the mount is. 🤔

[@terralukemedia8691]

He should be using the second native iso for low light which is 3200.

[@JustinPhillip]

Terra Luke Media Not as clean as 1250, IMO

[@ectoproductions]

Those data rates for the 6k are ridiculous!! Not a fan...