How to Choose the Right Metabones Speedbooster for BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K

[@MICKYSTATEN]

With the T Cine Lock, you still get a wiggle when you rack focus, so it looks like you can get the cheaper one, the non cine lock one, and just use a lens support to mitigate the wiggle.

[@JustinPhillip]

Thats why you gotta bolt it down. Directly to the cage

[@jacofl7330]

I love your videos and you have taught me a lot. I will say that you can still see the slight bump on the image as you push and pull with the Cine-Lock. It does not seem as acute or strong, but I think you can still see it in both directions. Thanks for always making quality content.

[@jackbisson9226]

This was a critical thinking video. Lots of Gold in this one. Thank you.

[@jesse_cole]

I like how you went out and found Nacho Libre to pose for your handheld test.

[@JustinPhillip]

🤣

[@TreneiroVlog]

Amazing perspective! Thanks!

[@weightlessfilms5651]

Great vid! Which they made a cinelock attachment for those of us that already have the speed booster without it.

[@PhillipRPeck]

Be careful with the XL Cine. I was not able to get recent EF lenses to mount with it (Canon 16-35, Tamron 24-70 G2) for example. While my Rokinon Cine DS 85mm mounted no problem. A friend of mine had the same issue using his XL Cine and Canon photo lenses (Canon 24-70 and 70-200). We both ended up returning the XL Cine for the regular XL. I think if you're using older lenses (without weather sealing perhaps) or cine lenses you are probably good. Also, my regular Speedbooster XL doesn't have any play with the lens connection while my Canon EF to Sony E-mount does. Kind of a crap shoot I guess

[@JustinPhillip]

Phillip R Peck hmmm....interesting...good to know, bro! 🙌🏼

[@JustinPhillip]

Phillip R Peck Yea, because my Sigma Art connects no problem to the Ultra Cine.

[@BradyBessette]

Answering a lot of questions for a hard headed canon shooter realizing canon isn't the #1 now and wanting to switch to BM!

[@JustinPhillip]

lol Have you seen this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJjHaGqQirWUpas

[@sheilasmith8844]

OK...So I have a question...I bought the Sigma 18-35, BMPCC 4K, and the Metabones Ultra .71. I do have vignetting until I get to about 21mm....so are you saying it would go away if I had the XL instead? I was told the opposite......so thats what I went with......Dang.......I was also told the Sigma was a full frame lens not APS-C...I am so new to this stuff I feel like I am drinking from a firehose of information and not all of it is good! Love your channel Justin. Keep the videos coming!

[@JustinPhillip]

You should not have vignetting with the Sigma . it is an aps-c lens, but the Ultra metabones is made for super 35 (aps-c).

[@inspirecreativeinternational]

Great video Justin - probably the most helpful Metabones film i have ever seen.

[@JustinPhillip]

Jason Carter Wow! Very cool! 🤘🏼

[@barrystephenson4080]

Hi. I know you are using Zeiss Distagon T* ZF.2 lenses on BMPCC4k. Ever used the ZE version? I’m wondering whether bmpcc4k, GH series, with metabones/ viltrox handles the electronic aperture on the EF mounted classic zeiss lenses. The ZE versions are considerably less expensive than Nikon mounts. Learning a lot from your channel! Thanks.

[@JustinPhillip]

yes it will transfer, just like the Sigma Arts. Not having a physical aperture and the focusing direction are the only differences between the ZE & ZF.2’s

[@barrystephenson4080]

@@JustinPhillip and the punch in autofocus? Thanks

[@JustinPhillip]

@@barrystephenson4080 metabones has never played well with any AF on any camera. but AF on P4K pretty much does not exist

[@Helsingborg36]

or you just put 1-2 layers of clear tape on the adapter and you'll get rid of the wiggle

[@DUST35]

Cool! It helped me to decide between the cine-lock and regular adapter. I’m getting the Ultra with cine-lock. 👍

[@bliiblaablue]

I hear people use something like a smallrig lens support to lift the lens just a tad (to make it stay up) and you don't get those "hiccups" when you pull focus with a follow focus like in the video in both scenarios.

[@zaklights7290]

This is interesting. Going to test this out now.

[@user-nu8bf3bf9m]

@@zaklights7290 How did the test go? Im thinking of getting these exact set so I'd like to know the result of it. Did the small rig lens support made any difference?

[@zaklights7290]

@@user-nu8bf3bf9m Hey the lens support helped with the hiccups in one direction, but not the other, so ultimately it didn't work me. I decided on a cine ef metabones booster and cage screw combo (connector from cage to speedbooster). Haven't made the purchase yet though.

[@user-nu8bf3bf9m]

Visuals by Nova Thanks for the reply! So pairing up with lens support and speedbooster support might be the best option here? Also what lens did you use for your test?

[@chrisratchford8153]

Great video Justin. I’ve never heard of a CineLock version from Metabones! My Contax/Yashica to MFT had a ton of wiggle room until I added some small pieces of white film leader tape. The wiggle is gone now but the Contax Zeiss lenses are a little too snug (but I’ll take it over the slop before - drove me crazy)! A CineLock version would have solved that issue. Good to know that this option exists.

[@Ioraek]

Budget's an issue for me, so I think I should probably go for a second hand Ultra MFT for $520 USD. But the CINE-lock feature and slightly better clarity of the BMPCC4k-specific version is appealing. But I'd have to get that new and with taxes and import costs to Australia that'd be $880 USD. What would ppl suggest?

[@BadKarma714]

Hey Justin love the video.

[@bluefilmsltd]

These metabones adapters are interesting...but it's also interesting how you notice that there are NO feature films were shot using metabones adapters...because they reduce image quality....

[@BadKarma714]

I have the cheap micro 4/3 to EF adapter like the one you have I wish I could afford the metabones adapter

[@TottiBln]

Thank you Justin!... I know now i need a Speedbooster Ultra for my APS-C Lenses! Greetings from Germany, Berlin

[@JustinPhillip]

Yeah, buddy!

[@Drrezzin]

Which locking Metabones gives the widest angle of view...the 0.64 or 0.71?

[@JustinPhillip]

64

[@TrigramProductions]

I've recently had a hard time convincing my cousin to get the Metabones instead of Viltrox and he won't do it. The amount of KZbinrs claiming the Viltrox is comparable is sad because from my tests, Metabones obliterated the competition in every single important category to me.

[@JustinPhillip]

i put off metabones for a long time, mainly because of the price difference, but seriously i have never looked back since :) i own both the ultra cine and the xl regular, love them both

[@Tazio_01]

@@JustinPhillip Hi Justin, what is a good full frame zoom lens option for the XL?

[@JustinPhillip]

@@Tazio_01 Tokina 28-70mm f/2.6 Check out my video on it

[@Tazio_01]

@@JustinPhillip thanks for the reply, the Tokina looks really interesting. I’m also looking at the Canon 24-70 or 24-105 f4 IS, how do you think it compares to the Tokina? I’m attracted by the image stabilization of the Canon, is it something you would prioritize?

[@JustinPhillip]

@@Tazio_01 no, i could care less about that, but thats just me. You gotta go for what suits your needs

[@Drrezzin]

What about the Metabones made especially for the BMPCC4K? Is that any different? If so, what are the differences?

[@JustinPhillip]

yes its the best one. less aberrations

[@survivinginthedolomites8530]

but is better the 4k blackmagic 4k or 6k? I mean the 6k doesn't have it but ef mount?

[@jonathandaniels8751]

So there’s no vignetting on sigma 18-35 when using the ultra?

[@JustinPhillip]

Nope!

[@jonathandaniels8751]

@@JustinPhillip What resolution were you shooting at?

[@jonathandaniels8751]

The reason I’m asking is because I’ve met a lot of people that have said there’s some slight vignetting at 18 - 20

[@JustinPhillip]

@@jonathandaniels8751 full sensor, 4K DCi

[@jonathandaniels8751]

@@JustinPhillip fantastic! Yeah that’s strange because I just talked to a guy who said he had vignetting at 4K DCI. Getting the sigma anyways LOL.

[@Kevin-he3ew]

So you're saying a 35mm lens with a XL booster shooting 4k DCI will achieve close to super35? And what's the crop factor for 4k 60fps?

[@dotexe4981]

I got a BMPCC 4K with a metabonex 0,64x and a SIGMA 18-35MM F/1.8 DC HSM ART Canon lens and it gives too much vignette, would the 0,71 fix this or should I just buy a different lens that fits better with the 0,64x? Thanks in advance

[@Davedosa]

In what situation is Ultra better than XL? I understand the different crop factors and apertures, but since they cost the same in my camera store, I wonder how the Ultra could ever be a better decision than the XL...

[@JustinPhillip]

David Mikic Well if someone only has APS-C lenses than the Ultra will be better for them. The XL causes APS-C lenses to vignette

[@cinex5114]

Thank you Justin!

[@JustinPhillip]

You bet!

[@Krakadillaz]

Hi Justin, thx for great video like always. One question about SLR magic 25mm, did you felt little gap/movement (backlash) between BMPCC4k and lens? Its seems that you showed with metabones and lens. I have SLR 25mm and I worry about it.

[@JustinPhillip]

Krakadillaz first time i attached the SLR magic, it did feel a little loose. i took it off and reattached it. i did have to make sure and twist it a little further than most lenses to get a secure lock

[@yurednaxela]

thanks.. this is very helpful.

[@traianivanescu24]

Thank you for this video.

[@vareesmo]

Great video. Thanks for the in-depth look. What is the drawback or formula of using a full frame on the ultra? Is it basically cropping the full frame lens? Another word you get a narrower FOV?

[@JustinPhillip]

yes, the Ultra gives you essentially a S35 FOV, and the XL essentially gives you the full frame FOV, XL is only 1.1 crop, so literally .1 away lol, BUT, that's only if you're shooting in full resolution, 4K DCI

[@vareesmo]

Justin Phillip thanks Justin. Also, I tried searching,and still not sure how to go about understanding... but if you could explain or point me in the direction of why does the stipulation of 4K full resolution dci make a difference? In other words what is the relationship between shooting in 4K vs 1080 and crop factors. If that makes any sense.

[@vareesmo]

@@JustinPhillip So after researching, is it correct that why you need 4k DCI on pocket 4k as it will fill the sensor thus what is needed by the XL Speedbooster?

[@JustinPhillip]

vareesmo 4K DCI is the codec that will take advantage of the full resolution of the sensor

[@alexshdvideo]

I have one of those other 0.71 boosters ($100?). It’s actually not bad at all. Better machined than my sloppy metabones dummy adapter. For my bmpcc4k do you think it’s worthwhile to spend $500 on the metabones 0.64xl vs just putting that towards a larger sensor camera later? I’m using full frame vintage lenses as well as Lensbaby twist, velvet and others. More importantly to get close to full frame coverage to utilize the character of the Lensbaby and vintage Soviet lenses. Thoughts?

[@JustinPhillip]

Yeah you can now get the XL with CineLock made specifically for the Pocket 4K

[@alexshdvideo]

@@JustinPhillip did you ever try their discontinued 0.58x version?

[@JustinPhillip]

@@alexshdvideo never heard of it

[@oceantransistor]

I'm looking into a cinelock but I hear it's almost impossible to lock a weather sealed Canon 24-70 on those. Any input?

[@JustinPhillip]

oceantransistor No clue. The Sigma fits fine on the Ultra Cine Lock

[@spetsovich]

I guess you would have to pony up for the regular lock . :( I think

[@sergioknuf]

How do you lut the pl mount on the 4k

[@bogman192]

Hey Justin - I love all yer videos. Great work. Quick question - what's yer favorite zoom MFT lens for the BMPCC4K at the moment under say fifteen hundred bucks? Merci.

[@JustinPhillip]

Kevin Baggott hmmm, maybe the 12-35 . Not a whole lotta options for MFT zooms. The little primes are cool tho

[@locust108]

hey, What speedster should i get for the Black magic studio Camera 4K Pro ? the one that came out last year? I'm searching youtube and not many or any videos on that topic just yet.

[@brandonbarash5992]

Hey thanks for this video! Do you know what metabones speedbooster would work with Mamiya 645 lenses on a BM?

[@sergioknuf]

Is there a mft to mft speed booster?

[@isaacbedford3644]

Could you still hookup the nucleus nano to the iris gear rings on your zeiss lenses while using the cinelock speedbooster?

[@JustinPhillip]

Isaac Bedford yes

[@HANIRAQ]

Can you please do a test of sharpness between micro 4/3 prime cine lens and the speedbooster + sigma 15-35 1.8 or 50-100 1.8 Shooting 4k DCI Q0 i will wait for it and hope you get the time for the video.

[@HANIRAQ]

I will wait for you to respond 😊

[@spetsovich]

Justin, it's like you knew, lol. I'm gonna get the Sigma 18 - 35mm art and this cine ultra adapter too. If you use black pro mist on sigma, do you think it becomes less corporate? ;-)

[@JustinPhillip]

spetsovich Most definitely!! But i would highly recommend a Hollywood Black Magic Filter over a BPM 😎

[@jacobrobertdesio9265]

Check out Zeiss before you go with the sigma

[@olivebranch9719]

So did you end up getting this combo? on other videos ive seen people still have vignetting still going on

[@antonkharlamov4276]

why there is no vignette between aps-c lens (crop 1.6) and ultra booster (crop 1.4) as aps lens is smaller than xl lens ?

[@adriancluskey3640]

Do my eyes deceive me? I swear the Cine T still has vertical wiggle when you pull focus.

[@JustinPhillip]

what that is the crappy contax zeiss lenses

[@metalmonkey1113]

@@JustinPhillip lol - thank you for the clarification. Also thank you for making this video ❤✌ it's help alot.

[@DEADIKATED]

Would you still use the XL with Sigma 13-35?

[@JustinPhillip]

no thats an APS-C lens and it does vignette at the 18-20mm focal lengths

[@DEADIKATED]

@@JustinPhillip ok thx I have the opportunity to buy a cine ultra for about 550 so I think I'm going to take it...

[@PoorAlchemist]

what is a dummy adapter ?

[@kamishimoproductions8587]

Prénom Nom, A dummy adapter increases (almost doubles) the size of the image, this adapter is just a barrel to help you adapt (pair) the lens to the camera. While the Speedbooster increases (widens) the field of view letting you capture more of the scene. Read this article here it has some good examples, www.4kshooters.net/2014/12/21/metabones-speed-booster-vs-dummy-mft-adapters/. I hope it does help you in understanding the difference between a dummy adapter and a Speedbooster.

[@aljorperreras1163]

Is there a Metabones XL Cine Lock for Nikon Lens? I looked at the website and didn't see it.

[@JustinPhillip]

yeah, doesn't look like that's an option

[@Filmmaker809]

So, I have a GH5 and GH5s with x2 Speedboosters Ultra. I was always under the impression that the Ultra was the one to go for rather than the XL. I guess I was wrong.

[@JustinPhillip]

Shark Depends more on what lenses you have. Full Frame or Super 35 (APS-C).

[@Filmmaker809]

I'm using x2 Sigma 18-35mm lenses.

[@JustinPhillip]

Shark Those are APS-C, my friend

[@Filmmaker809]

So I have the right version of speedbooster?

[@JustinPhillip]

Shark yes

[@lindstrem]

So i ordered the cine .64 but could not find any info on compatibility with EF-S lenses. It says may be compatible but require modification to EF-S lenses. What modification are they talking about? Any idea? I have ef and efs but it be great to know if its possible at all. Thanks! Without u i would have purchased the non cine version.

[@JustinPhillip]

ef-s has never worked with EF adapters

[@lindstrem]

@@JustinPhillip it works with EF-s just needs to remove the black middle part. On the 24mm it just poped off in 2 seconds and now fits flawlessly but whats even better is that i sawed off that mid part on my stock 18-55 and now i have a stabe lens. Using it on bmpcc4k eith .64 cine metabones. Try it, awesome shit. The 18-55 is usable from about 22mm onward

[@sdufg]

Metabones T Speed Booster XL; will it work on efs lenses to my og bmpcc? i just want to be able to manually focus and manually choose aperture. Will the Metabones T Speed Booster XL provide electronic communication tot the efs lens so I manually focus (efs lenses have focus electronic..not manual)

[@JustinPhillip]

Been a bit since I used these, but if I can recall, I don't believe EF-S lenses are compatible.

[@RyanJFleet]

For the contax zeiss lenses was the rear protruding aperture element removed or did it not interfere with your Metabones?

[@JustinPhillip]

Ryan Fleet They were removed. Fully modded by Simmod Lenses. Did a whole video on it 👌🏼

[@RyanJFleet]

Justin Phillip oh man didn’t know you did a video on that. Watching it now!

[@PRAISEGODMEDIA]

I have the original bmpcc. I see there are speed booster 0.58, 0.64 and 0.71. I also have another camera that recommends using the 0.71. my question is could I just buy the 0.71 to use on both cameras?

[@JustinPhillip]

PRAISE GOD MEDIA Yes it will work on both cameras. The OG Pocket is a super 16 sized sensor so its crop is almost 3x , hence the special made speedboosters. But the normal ultra will work fine, it just wont be quite as wide as on your other camera.

[@PRAISEGODMEDIA]

@@JustinPhillip so the smaller the speed booster the wider the shot? 0.58 is wider than 0.71?

[@JustinPhillip]

PRAISE GOD MEDIA exactly

[@Ryanmorrow77]

They have a version of both Cine XL and ultra specifically for the bmpcc4k. Do you think the specialized version of the XL Cine will take care of that vignette? I really want the full frame look that it gives but I'm also getting a sigma 18-35 which you say works well with the ultra.

[@JustinPhillip]

the sigma will vignette on the XL, no matter what version it is. It's because of what i said, the XL is made for full frame glass. The Sigma is an APS-C lens.

[@Ryanmorrow77]

@@JustinPhillip thank you very much

[@bsdgffishtuna5186]

why not 0.58x Speed Booster SUPER16?

[@JustinPhillip]

Oooo that’s the good one if you can find it with CineLock!

[@bsdgffishtuna5186]

thank you...what does cine lock do? @@JustinPhillip

[@user-nu8bf3bf9m]

So it wiggles slightly even if you get cine lock version...?

[@JustinPhillip]

XENE Genosynx You may be getting thrown off by the breathing of the old zeiss lens

[@user-nu8bf3bf9m]

@@JustinPhillip Thanks for the reply!! Hmm I see. How about when you paired up with lets say sigma 18-35 or Canon EF lenses?

[@JustinPhillip]

XENE Genosynx Cine Lock is solid. Zero wiggles.

[@user-nu8bf3bf9m]

Justin Phillip thanks so much! I just made up my mind! I’ll go with cine lock!

[@JustinPhillip]

XENE Genosynx 💪🏼

[@my2cents198]

Cheers mate...not a lot of info about these out there...much appreciated.

[@ekphotography]

I am fine with my Viltrox MII. Works just perfectly on my P4K. I did not want to spend 4x the amount, specially for a MFT mount which might die here soon in the future. I do however have the same little wiggle. Does anybody know if there is a way of "fixing" it? Maybe tape or something so it can fit snugger?

[@bliiblaablue]

I've had some thin tape between the mount to the lens, helps just a tad with Sigma 18-35.

[@footage5341]

That wiggle with the Viltrox is driving me crazy. Does the tape trick work with the Sigma 18-35mm?

[@user-nu8bf3bf9m]

I just saw the review that cine lock version for BMPCC4k won't work with the lenses that have weather sealing gaskets. Does your metabones cine lock version work with weather sealed lenses. Here's the link for the review that I mentioned. kzbin.info/www/bejne/amiTeKOgmLqsmtk Im thinking of getting this one so please help me out with this. Thank you as always!!

[@JustinPhillip]

That review he’s using the same cine lock SB that i have, the original EF to MFT. Your best bet is to probably get the one that they just released not too long ago thats made only for the P4K. If you watch closely, he’s using his on the original pocket, not the 4K. 👌🏼

[@jameskellinger8314]

Hands in the face. Do you realize, the more you wave your hands, the less people listen to you?