Blackmagic RAW: BRAW 3:1 vs 12:1 (Pocket Cinema Camera 4K)

[@truecuckoo]

Thanks! One thing that I picked up on in my own test was the subtle sharpness difference in ProRes vs BRAW overall. I shoot a lot of synthesizer tutorials, and like to punch in to show details such as labels and OLED screens, so sharpness is important to me. It seems like the BMPCC4K camera is doing a slight in-camera sharpness on ProRes files. In Davinci Resolve, I get very similar sharpness when changing the Sharpen radius to 0.48 on the BRAW files. Something I didn't pick up on until I saw this video was the compression in the greens. Those trees revealed a whole lot.

[@JohnnyAndrews1]

This is an oldish comment but in the camera settings you can change the sharpness level for ProRes but not for BRAW.

[@benjaminwescott258]

w'sup Cuckoo! Love your MicroKorg patch :)

[@NYC2SOCAL2024]

This is a VERY handy video. Gonna use this when I'm showing clients shooting options. Your check is in the mail. Bravo

[@Cre8tvMG]

12:1 raw is amazing. Smaller than ProRes and just a tiny bit softer, but with all the color depth of raw. Definitely gets the nod for most of my work.

[@gnosisdevelada-joseburboa6439]

Is 12:1 better for a feature film?

[@5minutemovies977]

@@gnosisdevelada-joseburboa6439 If you are shooting a feature film, you should be able to afford 8:1 or 5:1, even on a tight budget, I reckon. It depends what you're doing, what are the light conditions, what glass you're using and all that of course.

[@lawrencekeeney4317]

I like your file size chart.

[@mal7916]

The file size is a little inaccurate because Q0 and Q5 are variable. For example, Q0 in a low light scene can be as low as 8:1 and in a well lit scene and it can go higher than 3:1.

[@tidby]

This is the best video I've seen in years on the subject. Thanks for doing the leg work for me!

[@tysmrecords]

Thank you! This is just what I was looking for, straight forward information with variety of types of shots. 12:1 seems the most ideal for most scenario's. I'm preparing to shoot live show content so 12:1 should get me just what I need!

[@underdog_factor]

Beautiful test and very helpful. I will be using raw 12:1 on the 6k

[@anthonylittlechild1564]

Really love this test as a current owner of the camera! Have been waiting for someone to do these kind of tests!

[@Leftha3ndmedia]

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[@DrRishabhGarg]

Fabulous comparison! Just what I needed, thank you! 😍

[@DillonPearceMedia]

Thanks mate! I have more blackmagic related comparisons coming in the coming weeks.

@@DillonPearceMedia Subbed! Can't wait! I really enjoyed overall your videos so far.

[@DillonPearceMedia]

@ Cheers!

[@PJPantelis]

So glad you’re back!! Love your work dil

[@DillonPearceMedia]

Thanks mate. Good to be posting again!! Let's hope the KZbin Algorithm starts pumping them out to my subscribers... having a 10 year break surely doesn't help haha.

[@facu_eze_peralta]

The file chart at the end is very useful! Now i want a black magic 4k in my life that camera its so good even in low ligth and with BRAW for wedding is a boom! Thank you sir! Sorry about my bad english i speak spanish.

[@CinesavageFilms]

Facundo Peralta the cool thing about the bmpcc is that it will show you how much recording time is available each time you switch codecs

Bmpcc 4K for weddings... hmmm, think id prefer a gh5 tbh... mas facil de manejar en situationes run n gun....

[@cyrilleautin]

Thank you this is just a great video! To the point. No blabla, no BS... Love this: You got a new subscriber today!

[@travissawyer762]

Subbed! THANK YOU for doing a video without all the bait click crap and actual information.

[@MaxFilmOz]

Nice one Dylan! Appreciate the info, and nice video samples.

[@maverickgarcia4460]

I've been looking for this video. Thanks man!

[@Derek.dilbeck]

Perfect video! Just what I needed and more!. Thanks for this!

[@7evive]

Your video are so awesome. Fast to the point, no talking for hours, great infographic!!! More BMPCC 4K content plz !

[@DillonPearceMedia]

revive Definitely more coming soon!

[@MtZionMediaPro]

Then you for this well put together concise comparison! Excellently done!

[@givingnarrative8427]

This video is full of so much helpful information. Kudos to you, Dillon. Thanks for the helpful video.

[@rumlefilmsssssssssss]

Great comparison! At 3:00 you shot for 10 minutes in 4096x2160 24 fps? Or?

[@DrRishabhGarg]

Quality content! Subbed!

Great video! Thanks for the detailed chart!

[@SuperSetCA]

Great video! Is this DCI 24P?

[@DillonPearceMedia]

SuperSetCA Thanks! UHD 25fps

[@knocknapeasta]

Agh, now I'm torn! Was looking to shoot 5:1 for a doco but you can definitely see noise in the darker parts of the tree leaves right after 3:1... thanks for the upload. PS, great location. I shot a music video there a year ago.

[@averygrasse59]

Idk, man. 3:1 and 5:1 looked pretty similar and there seems to be a decent file size gap between the two. I'm definitely a pixel peeper and a quality purist compared to other videographers but I would still recommend going 5:1 at highest. Especially with all the compression that'll be introduced in KZbin/Vimeo etc. It might help to have that saved file space. Just my thoughts :)

[@timlawson8945]

Thanks, great work, helped me out quickly on my new 6k, will def be going for blackmagic raw 12:1

Excellent video to show us how Blackmagic absolutely HUMILIATED ProRes codec. Almost same size as BRaw 3:1 and day and night difference.

[@rumianekPL]

thanks a lot! i was buy this camera! :D cant wait for test and work on it

[@jamXD]

Awesome vid 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@DillonPearceMedia]

Jamaru Digital Thanks mate!

[@marchmadecollective7983]

Very Nice! I recently got my hands on the BMPCC6k and I'm loving it!

[@JacobCarlson]

Thank you very much! Super helpful

[@DillonPearceMedia]

Jacob Carlson No worries thanks for watching!

[@craftedmedia565]

This was great, explained it quickly and easily - thanks

[@MonsieurBlain]

dude this was awesomne thanks. I jus boughtthe 6k pro & I'm trying to figure out what makes the most sense. I love 3:1 but it's massive size is overkill so I'm thinking of 5:1 or 8:1

[@endpointcreative]

Great video. Purchased a 6K pro last week and this was definitely some info I needed.

[@VortexMotiveVision]

Very helpful, thanks. Could you give me an idea of how much space is taken up by Raw 2.6K footage, at 24fps, at various compression levels, or can you point me somewhere I could find out? Thanks.

[@JonathanNinnin]

Thank you for doing this test, I've been lloking for this comparison, I was almost going to do it my self. After playing a bit with the 12:1; 8:1 etc, even on my 4k screen I couldn't manage to see the difference. I guess it's only visible when you pixel peep. Greeat insights though, I'll keep that in mind for higher end project ! Cheers from france

[@badGamr]

Great video. This matches my experience using my G1 UMP as well. In terms of the ultimate in detail retention, CDNG is much better than any of the BRAW variants but again you need to zoom in about 500% to really see that. At first I thought CDNG was just sharper but when resolving super fine detail at a distance it's clear that CDNG retains much more detail than BRAW CQQ0.

[@JustenBlaize]

Thank you for this explanation. It was clear. You did a great job!

[@christianschuster4184]

What a more intelligent and, above all, useful comparison. Great, thank you very much.

[@Thibster]

Super helpful-THANK YOU!

[@NabilKhanVisuals]

exactly the test I was looking for! Thanks

[@lanreoliyide7566]

Thank you so much for doing this test.

[@awokenelkmedia424]

Just what I was looking for, thanks! Subbed :)

[@DillonPearceMedia]

Cheers :)

[@zerthers]

This is very useful. Thank you.

[@ph_Francesco_Dellisola]

Hi very interesting test what would you recommend for shooting a documentary in Black Magic Raw such as compression ? Thank you.

[@Ritermann]

I can't believe how minor the differences are O.o There is really no real reason to lose so many GB just for 0,0001 better picture quality. I am shooting 12:1 from now on. Thanks!

[@multireel7590]

Excellent test! Well executed and good pace. You did your homework :)

[@victorngfilms]

Exactly what I need to know Dillon!

[@shevek7740]

Very Helpful, Thanks!

[@tylre]

Great, informative video, thanks!

Best test i've seen

[@anthonyfesce3838]

Thank you! Very helpful work

[@SteveBFamily]

Thank you! Very helpful!

[@gnosisdevelada-joseburboa6439]

for filmaking cinematography.... to make a feature film which codec is suitable? 3:1 or 12:1 or Q0??

[@MagiXpellStudios]

Thankyou. Exactly what I wanted to know!

[@jamiesimko]

12:1 Awesome!

[@jimdenson]

This was so helpful, thanks!

[@projetchalet]

thanks - card was not fast enough for slowmotion at 8:1 ... but works at 12:1 and I can deal with such a small difference !

[@mayurankumar226]

Thank you.Good one!

[@Thisbook2022]

Good stuff

[@pfcaleb]

Super helpful!! I'm about to start production on a doc that's good tv broadcast and possibly theatrical. I have plenty of T5 drives. Shooting bmpcc4k. Any thoughts are helpful!

[@DillonPearceMedia]

I’ve been using the constant quality modes lately! Q5 is the perfect mix for most shooting scenarios.

[@pfcaleb]

@@DillonPearceMedia Think that's good enough for theatrical? Sorry, I'm new to BMraw and was going to do proresHQ until I saw that raw is way more manageable than it used to be.

[@DillonPearceMedia]

@@pfcaleb Yeah BRAW is actually more efficient than prores HQ. I find Q5 the best of both words. It’s a variable bitrate so it’ll change it from I think 7:1 - 12:1 depending on what is in the shot so you maintain quality.

[@ncc362]

Excelent real world test 💥💥

[@frostvisto9610]

Extremely helpfull, I subbed :D (and bell icon)

[@AlexStavrovich]

And what about the noise? Is it any better at 5:1 than at 12:1?

[@GilRios1]

Excellent video Sir. Thank you 🙏🏽

[@RealCocaCola]

4k prores bigger files than raw? crazy

[@JAMXF]

Been thinking about getting the BMPCC, overexposure test was impressive!

[@DillonPearceMedia]

Definitely recommend it! Especially for the price 😍

[@ds15891]

How is this RAW if there is compression involved? Isn't RAW supposed to be Untouched sensor data as in DSLR cameras?

[@Cubasetic]

Wonderful, thank you.

[@yosukeDVJ]

great informative vid!

[@ericwheelwright3025]

Great video!

[@clever_ghost]

This is so useful, great

[@jcinewilliams8819]

I'm a bit of a novice so not so keen on the differences. But from what you demonstrated is the 3:1, 5:1, 12:1 etc is basically compression of the file? From what I could tell there appears to be very little quality difference.

[@DillonPearceMedia]

JCINE Williams Yes that’s compression of the file. One thing to note is that KZbin compression makes it harder to see the differences.

[@jcinewilliams8819]

@@DillonPearceMedia yes, I understand KZbin compression. For me I wanted to understand the logic behind choosing to shoot 3:1 - 12:1. Wanted to find out which gives a better opportunity to achieve great clarity. As of this moment storage isn't a issue for me and I'm most interested in getting the most information from my clips for post work. Without knowing the difference I try to shoot 3:1 with a constant bit rate. Not sure that's the best route though.

[@DillonPearceMedia]

JCINE Williams Since I made this video I’ve been using Q5 Variable Bitrate which has made that decision most of the time for me. It range between 5:1-12:1 depending on what is in the scene.

[@oiko2k4]

@@DillonPearceMedia Q5 is 7:1 to 20:1, based on the blackmagic specs. Q0 is 2:1 to 5:1

[@stefanoantonucci1245]

Nice work!

[@VINCENTTANG]

Thank you!

[@nicolobugatto3248]

Wish to see more comparison between 3:1 and Q0

[@DillonPearceMedia]

I'm planning to do some more tests in the coming weeks. QO vs Q5 and I'll throw in 3:1 and maybe 8:1 into the mix.

[@bryanbarajasBB]

Thank you! It appears just a slight changes to the images, but, however very usable. At close distances the image might not suffer too much, I believe.🤔😄

[@reconnect3777]

thank you very much for this video, i kinda bought blind the 4k and didn´t what the 3:1 and 12:1 meant, which for my eye is almost the same picture with a lower file size i think i gonna shot in 12:1

[@playmaka2007]

Any further tests for q5?

[@DillonPearceMedia]

I'll definitely be doing more tests in the coming weeks with Q0 and Q5.

[@playmaka2007]

@@DillonPearceMedia Awesome, thanks man I look forward to it! Your video has been the first time I've ever seen any discernible difference between the codecs. Q5 has been my codec of choice though and I'd like to see how it holds up in the same tests. Also maybe push the color/ white balance and see if there are any artifacts or differences between the flavors. I really wish BMD would actually tell us how this codec handles compression in an in depth way.

[@playmaka2007]

Any update on Q5 testing? I'd love to see it included in motion tests specifically since that's supposedly where the bitrate changes.

[@sosidea6112]

Grazie, molto utile

[@King12Daniel]

Helps a lot, thanks! I'm a wedding videographer and I think I'll use 8:1 :)

[@DillonPearceMedia]

:::Daniel Glad you found it useful! I’ve got some other BMPCC 4K test videos that I’ll be posting soon so keep an eye out 👌🏻

[@King12Daniel]

@@DillonPearceMedia Cool, I left a subscription! :)

[@DillonPearceMedia]

:::Daniel Cheers 🔥

[@dirtyboom7]

thank you bro!!

[@intrinsiccinema7374]

is 3.1 the highest codec

[@nemo8190]

Great Video

[@CamJames]

KZbin commenters are very rude lol. "Where is the thing I want though??"

[@jambononi]

Good old ‘lack of accountability’ striking again!

[@Flamamacue]

Great comparison. I've noticed a little of that softness/compression artifacts in using 12:1 so good to see a detailed test to save me having to dig through the differences at 500% myself XD. I was using Q5 before switching to 12:1 so would have loved a few more Q0/5 clips to have made it in these tests but I can see others have also said this. Subbed!

[@DillonPearceMedia]

MindGrenada Thanks mate! So far I’ve started shooting more in Q5. I’ll definitely have a follow up video with more Q0 and Q5.

[@Flamamacue]

@@DillonPearceMedia after shooting in 12:1 for a while I think I might use Q5 again. Look forward to seeing it!

[@JoATTech]

I shoot mostly Q5. And YT will crush you footage with 8bit codec anyway.

[@leochow6477]

Really great test and tremendously helpful! I'm going to shoot an event in a sunny day. But there is only a 128g SD card for now. Your video makes me feel relaxing cuz I'm gonna shoot at 12:1 to Get enough room. THANKS!

[@jerrylin-o3s]

thanks your video

[@DrRishabhGarg]

No comparison with highlight recovery in davinci resolve?

[@DillonPearceMedia]

I used highlight recovery for the +2 stop overexposed shots 👍🏻

[@york824]

This is exactly what I'm looking for! Thank you so much for all the detailed information. The 12:1 braw looks amazing. Just one small question: is the file size of 4K24P or 4K60P? I am looking to buy a BMPCC 4K as my first video camera and trying to estimate how many memory cards I need to purchase as well.

[@DillonPearceMedia]

zhang you Great question I should have mentioned that. It is for 4K 25FPs (which is what we use in Australia instead of 24p).

[@york824]

@@DillonPearceMedia Thx for the clarification.

[@YoungFue]

What card do you use for highest quality 6k 3:1 the t5 is not strong enough and I can't find anymore solutions

[@DillonPearceMedia]

Young Fue In this video I was using the BMPCC 4K so the T5 worked fine. On my BMPCC 6K though I generally only use Q5.

[@YoungFue]

@@DillonPearceMedia Thank you for the response! I really appreciate it im subbing now!

[@jcinewilliams8819]

@@DillonPearceMedia not sure I'm understanding your question but I just shot a nighttime time-lapse using my T5 1TB and got 3:1 with my 6k.

[@stuartjaymes1930]

That looks a lot like Melbourne - Are you a fellow Melbournian? :)

[@DillonPearceMedia]

Stuart Jaymes Yep!

[@w.w.7148]

Where is the Q5 and Q0 test? Blackmagic says that these are the best quality options, not those constant bitrates!

[@DillonPearceMedia]

I wanted to compare the constant bitrates because this is what most people use including myself as you have more control over picking which compression depending on what you are working on. For example for video shoots which end up on social media I use 12:1 to save on space. Q0 varies between 5:1 and a little higher than 3:1 and Q5 varies between 8:1 and 12:1. I can explore those further in a future video if you'd be interested in that?

[@w.w.7148]

@@DillonPearceMedia Yes.

[@innote9314]

@@DillonPearceMedia Maybe you could compare 3:1 8:1 12:1&Q5 next time

[@DillonPearceMedia]

爱科技iTech Yes I’ll focus on Q0 and Q5 in the next one

@@DillonPearceMedia I especially interested in Q5. It should be able to go smaller than 12:1 with simple scenes. But what would be a simple seen? Interviews? Could you try to create scenarios when it will produce a smaller file size than 12:1? Thanks!

[@francoisgodofe]

Here is my 1 million dollars question for you Sir : the 6k in 12:1 record at 81mb/s in 6k and 67mb/s in 5.7K (17:9). The 4K record at 81mb/s in 5:1 and 51mb/s in 8:1. Do you think that downscale the 6k in these compression would give us a better?equivalent? Or lower quality compared to these 4K compression? Thank you for you video!

[@DGaryGrady]

It looks like no one else has replied in 8 months, so I'll give you an opinion here that's based on looking at a number of tests but not the comparison I think you and I would like to see, namely, all else being equal, if you shoot in BRAW and you output your final edit in 4K, how much practical difference does it make which camera (4K vs 6K) and compression ratio you use? My guess is that the answer is going to be that especially if you shoot in 6K, the differences are going to be detectable only in a very careful side-by-side comparison, if then. Other things make a much bigger diffrence in perceived quality: dynamic range, color correction, and especially lighting among them. I've seen well-lit video in standard definition look much better than badly lit HD. Past a point, more fine detail just isn't noticeable in comparison with those other things. As recently as a couple of years ago (and maybe even still today) most movies were still distributed and exhibited in 2K DCI, essentially the same resolution as HDTV.

[@AlexandreG]

From what I've seen in KZbin, color quality doesn't have much difference if you're shooting both with pocket 6k, but image sharpness has a noticeable difference for the better when you downscale 6k to 4k

[@captureinsidethesound]

@@AlexandreG , that's fake sharpness that's going to be even more evident on cell phone screens because most of them barely get past 1080p. The 6K benefits if you like headroom to crop.

[@AlexandreG]

@@captureinsidethesound what the fuck you even talkib about man? 1080p 🤣

[@ivan90988ify]

I found what WB on BMPCC4k is not correct. If i use 5500K light - in camera in need set around 4900K to have correct WB. Do you have yhe same problem?

[@DillonPearceMedia]

It depends on what light you have. I generally try to use a white card to custom white balance for each setup/location.

[@darkmagicproductions3028]

❤

[@baqcasanke]

not the best test here, not much movement, IE the compression isn't really being tested. Go out and film a moving subject with a moving background and the 12:1 can actually fall apart, esp in the blacks and with large solid colors like solid red/yellow sweatshirts.

[@JamesClark1991]

Hero.

[@underdog_factor]

My Samsung t5 can record up to 5:1 and I'm wondering if this is worth shooting over 12:1. maybe the difference will tell in low light. I'm not seeing much of a difference here

[@insayno]

No client will ever say: "ah shit, you shot at 12:1 imma pay you less now." Most people can't tell the difference. We only see the difference cuz we have a trained eye. No body is going to zoom 500% in on your footage. And even with a trained eye and seeing that the image is only like 1% better... is it really worth all those large file sizes? For just 1% better footage?

[@thehellboundheart7323]

Shooting in 4k?

[@DillonPearceMedia]

The Hellbound Heart Yep