Why I don't teach LIATE (integration by parts trick)

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blackpenredpen

blackpenredpen

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@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t matter if it’s ILATE or LIATE. Since if you have an integral with both log and inverse function, then it’s most likely not doable in the first place 😆
@electrocode4095
@electrocode4095 3 жыл бұрын
Yup 👍
@electrocode4095
@electrocode4095 3 жыл бұрын
What's your qualifications Are you a PhD holder?
@AbhishekKumar-jg7gq
@AbhishekKumar-jg7gq 3 жыл бұрын
In india it is called ilate 🤔🤔
@_AadiDevSharma
@_AadiDevSharma 3 жыл бұрын
@@AbhishekKumar-jg7gq ya..you ar right..
@Gg-ij7li
@Gg-ij7li 3 жыл бұрын
@@AbhishekKumar-jg7gq mere ko LIATE sikhaya hai lol
@gcewing
@gcewing 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the LATTE method. If the integral looks hard, go and make yourself a coffee.
@mariothethird5624
@mariothethird5624 2 жыл бұрын
Haha good one 😂
@maxwellsequation4887
@maxwellsequation4887 2 жыл бұрын
XD
@scienceofstupid7834
@scienceofstupid7834 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👏
@archit2894
@archit2894 2 жыл бұрын
Noice
@blacksnow7106
@blacksnow7106 Жыл бұрын
Gigantic heart palpitations, here we go!!!!!!!
@shehnazsalahuddin6053
@shehnazsalahuddin6053 3 жыл бұрын
I believe that by inspection we can easily see which one is easier to differentiate and which one to integrate. This idea or sense helps students in the long run. Tricks might help for short term, but not for the long run. This also helps students to recognise different patterns and get familiar with mathematics.
@Jlang-es9lc
@Jlang-es9lc 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. It’s better to understand why you shouldn’t do a certain thing, instead of just learning a rule to say you shouldn’t do it.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 3 жыл бұрын
AMEN. Preach it. Ok, but seriously, these are the exact same words I had in mind as soon as I started the video, and I am glad I am not the only one, and I am glad you beat me to it.
@jeeteshabrol
@jeeteshabrol 3 жыл бұрын
Yes this helps a lot in integrating products of similar functions. Like in sec³(x), one can easily say that we will integrate sec^2(x)
@gregorymorse8423
@gregorymorse8423 3 жыл бұрын
Define formally and mathematically what "easier" to integrate or differentiate means. Otherwise it is bringing some pseudoscience argument into the mix. As far as I can tell there are dozens of patterns which work by trial and error, and a few of them are very common. But the patterns should ultimately be well defined and not rely on intuition. A computer program should be fed thousands of these problems applying pattern rules until a "perfect" pattern is found at least for those in the dataset
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 3 жыл бұрын
@@gregorymorse8423 The patterns need not be well-defined. LIATE is merely mnemonic, not a mathematical theorem. You are reading too much into this, and nearly everyone else knows what exactly is being meant by "easier".
@sudoheckbegula
@sudoheckbegula 3 жыл бұрын
12:50 The smile of cancellation
@notmuchgd9842
@notmuchgd9842 3 жыл бұрын
best cancelling i've seen in a while
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv 6 ай бұрын
0 and 1 are so beautiful!
@turtledruid464
@turtledruid464 3 жыл бұрын
My calc 2 teacher taught us the LIATE method but didn't make us use it if we didn't want to. Same with the DI method. I personally never used it but for some people it did help. IMO it's just about teaching the tools, not telling the students which ones to use.
@anonymous_4276
@anonymous_4276 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah same. Looking back at it, I think it was better that I never used methods like LIATE as this forced me to think more about which function to integrate and which to differentiate when using integration by parts. After some practice, I could calculate the second term quickly without a pen often and I could see if there was any way to integrate that term or if it was similar somehow to the original integral (like in case of sec³(x)) or if I had to do repeated integrations by parts which were getting even more complicated etc.
@prithwishsen4710
@prithwishsen4710 Жыл бұрын
I had a question? Is there like a proof to the ilate rule
@japotillor
@japotillor 3 жыл бұрын
I agree in not using LIATE, it's not about memorising a mechanic, I like having the openness of realising a mechanic doesn't always work. When I teach integration by parts, I always teach find the function to integrate first
@shubhankurkumar
@shubhankurkumar 3 жыл бұрын
My first class of calculus was in 11th grade in India, that's Junior Year in America. We were always taught ILATE, explanation was "Choose whichever is the harder to integrate" and like you said, it works in almost all scenarios. Wherever there was an exception we were given the solution and were told the specifics. It's the first time I'm hearing of DI method. Pretty amazing!!
@rupakchanda3503
@rupakchanda3503 2 жыл бұрын
By parts ke kaam asan ho jaata hai...
@DiverseDose11
@DiverseDose11 Жыл бұрын
Hame LATEC padhaya Gaya hai
@reidpattis3127
@reidpattis3127 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like most Mathematicians do this anyways subconsciously. And it is a good first instinct to have to quickly solve problems. But there are cases that don't quite work, and I think it's up to the student to discern for themselves.
@mathevengers1131
@mathevengers1131 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you of doing these subconsciously.
@richardryan5826
@richardryan5826 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Before I retired, I told my students that LIATE is a nice "rule of thumb" but, when integration by parts is applicable, LIATE does not work 100% of the time. The example I used to demonstrate this fact is the integral of (xe^x)/(x+1)^2. in this case, the factor to be differentiated is xe^x and the factor to be integrated is 1/(x+1)^2.
@clementfradin5391
@clementfradin5391 11 ай бұрын
I think the answer is e^x/(x+1)+c
@richardryan5826
@richardryan5826 11 ай бұрын
@@clementfradin5391 You are correct!
@jamescollier3
@jamescollier3 11 ай бұрын
we said U times V - the integral of V du. ... How math geeks make poems
@shmkrar1153
@shmkrar1153 10 ай бұрын
Thanks @richardryan5826 ! This problem helped me!
@seanbastian4614
@seanbastian4614 3 жыл бұрын
The way I learned the LIATE method was that you should use it when first attempting the question. They said it won't always work, but it can help you start working out the problem.
@alessiodaniotti264
@alessiodaniotti264 3 жыл бұрын
Another way to deal with sec^3 is: sec^3(x)= 1/cos^3(x)= cos(x)/cos^4(x)= cos(x)/(cos^2(x))^2=cos(x)/(1-sin^2(x))^2 and with a substitution: sin(x)=u ; cos(x)dx=du we have the integral of 1/(1-u^2)^2 wich is a rational funcion, so quite easy to integrate. Is a method that works for 1/cos^n(x)and 1/sin^n(x) for every odd n.
@MarieAnne.
@MarieAnne. 3 жыл бұрын
But is that really simpler? ∫ sec³x dx = ∫ 1/cos³x dx = ∫ cos x/cos⁴x dx = ∫ cos x/(1−sin²x)² dx → sin x = u, cos x dx = du = ∫ 1/(1−u²)² du = 1/4 ∫ ( 1/(1+u)² + 1/(1−u)² + 1/(1+u) + 1/(1−u) ] du = 1/4 ( −1/(1+u) + 1/(1−u) + ln|1+u| − ln|1−u| ) + C = 1/4 ( 2u/(1−u²) + ln|(1+u)/(1−u)| ) + C = 1/2 ( sinx /(1−sin²x) + 1/2 ln|(1+sinx)/(1−sinx)| ) + C = 1/2 ( sinx/cos²x + 1/2 ln|(1+sinx)²/(1−sin²x)| ) + C = 1/2 ( secx tanx + 1/2 ln|(1+sinx)²/cos²x| ) + C = 1/2 ( secx tanx + ln|(1+sinx)/cosx| ) + C = 1/2 ( secx tanx + ln|secx + tanx| ) + C The solution above doesn't even include the work required to find partial fraction decomposition.
@venvi
@venvi 2 жыл бұрын
@@MarieAnne.Hey who are you. . . . . you really an god gifted child.
@mdasadrizwan9744
@mdasadrizwan9744 2 ай бұрын
Demn bro nice answer.. I will use this sht in my upcoming exam 🗿
@davcaslop
@davcaslop 3 жыл бұрын
In spanish we say ALPES: A=arcsin, arccos, arctan, etc. L=logs P=polynomios E=exponential S=sin, cos, tan, etc. It's said that not always work but it has always work for me with this set.
@lutherlessor4029
@lutherlessor4029 Жыл бұрын
This video is great. There's always that tension between "tools that are very helpful most of the time" and "concepts that work nearly all the time," and you balanced this excellently in this video with examples to both sides. 💪
@aggman0123
@aggman0123 3 жыл бұрын
I just discovered your videos last week but have only seen ones from about 5 years ago. Having seen them and just coming across this one and the change from no beard to beard is the best thing I've seen in a while
@TheTriggor
@TheTriggor 3 жыл бұрын
Small brain: memorize this rule Big brain: recognize the easier integral like a boss
@elquesohombre9931
@elquesohombre9931 11 ай бұрын
Moral of the story is just do whatever sounds like less of a nightmare and fuck around if you’re stuck. Liate is just a way to get you moving if you’re a hesitant student. Only way to solve a hard problem is to try solving it, even if there’s no clear solution.
@omjoglekar3677
@omjoglekar3677 3 жыл бұрын
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@StarWarsMasters
@StarWarsMasters 3 күн бұрын
@blackpenredpen I have a lot of trouble in math when it comes to accepting specific actions like transforming the original problem at 11:20. How is it that we can do this act in math? It is very hard for me to accept in mathematics because we bring in variables from the unknown and it makes me wonder how often are we able to use this form of freedom in math problems? Please educate me!
@tortillajoe
@tortillajoe 3 жыл бұрын
My teacher didn’t like the idea of restricting us to LIATE so we instead subscribed to a some rules of thumb. These are the ones I remember, still use, and are almost always enough to make the right choice. A) If one of the functions has cyclic (sines, cosines, exponentials, etc.) or terminal derivatives (polynomials), let that one be the one you differentiate. Unless the other function’s integral is unknown or unsolvable by you, in which case… B) Let the most difficult of the functions that you CAN use integrate be the one you integrate.
@abdelkaderzeramdini7461
@abdelkaderzeramdini7461 3 жыл бұрын
For the integral of xsin(x^2) there is no need of integration by parts. Just U-substitution let u=x^2 so du=2xdx It becomes integral of-1/2cos(u) and the final answer is-1/2cos(x^2)+C
@megauser8512
@megauser8512 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, and in fact, if you do LIATE integration by parts on this integral, then you'll have to differentiate x and integrate sin(x^2), the latter of which is impossible!
@TkK1122
@TkK1122 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't finished the video, but I'm so much satisfied by the way you change markers (so Smooth dude) 😂❤️
@DarkBoo007
@DarkBoo007 2 жыл бұрын
I never seen the LIATE method before. Like you said, I tell the students that they must figure out what to integrate first since finding the derivative is the easiest (sometimes). Unfortunately, many students of mine have trouble doing so.
@Samir-zb3xk
@Samir-zb3xk Жыл бұрын
For integral of xsin(x^2)dx in the end card: its easier to do u-sub then by parts u=x^2 , dx=du/2x integral of xsin(x^2)dx =1/2 * integral of sin(u)du =1/2 * -cos(u) =-1/2 * cos(x^2)+c
@thekingdragon6660
@thekingdragon6660 8 ай бұрын
dont forget the C 😅 welldone, it's a right ans. I got it too
@Samir-zb3xk
@Samir-zb3xk 8 ай бұрын
@@thekingdragon6660 damn how did i forget the c 😰 Thanks lol
@lathikasharmali7906
@lathikasharmali7906 2 ай бұрын
​@@thekingdragon6660😂 bro never missing c your are amazing ❤
@Luigi_Luigi2401
@Luigi_Luigi2401 Жыл бұрын
4:49 we just took this in class today and a student kept integrating by parts till he had about 10 terms because he didn't add the integration of sec^3 x on both sides 😂
@theartisticactuary
@theartisticactuary 2 жыл бұрын
In the bonus example, just substitute u=x^2 I know the question is what if I try to integrate by parts but: - maths is about getting to the right answer and spotting the quickest way is always a valuable skill - according to the rules of logic ("if today's Sunday I'm the pope" according to the late Doctor Richard Maunder, or "if my granny had wheels she's be a bike" according to Gino Cappucino), any answer to your question is correct if I'm not going to integrate by parts. If I integrate that by parts then I'll climb Nelson's Column naked.
@easyfundbles2608
@easyfundbles2608 9 ай бұрын
for guys lived in morocco 🇲🇦, they have been using a technic called "ALPES" istead of laatte A -Arctan ,arcsin,arcos L - ln P - polynomial E - Exponential S -Sin , cos , tan
@Ray.096
@Ray.096 8 ай бұрын
the same as ILATE
@lathikasharmali7906
@lathikasharmali7906 2 ай бұрын
Bro think exponential are more hader than sin, cos. Think integrating expon: that make terrifying.
@dr_rich_r
@dr_rich_r 3 жыл бұрын
For most of our IBP problems, when we have a transcendental function and a power function, if the derivative of the transcendental function becomes algebraic, then it is u, if it stays transcendental, then it is with dv.
@nanamacapagal8342
@nanamacapagal8342 Жыл бұрын
9:06 I tried this integral by first substituting u = 1 + ln(x). I then ended up win an integrand that looked like (ue^u - e^u)/u^2 * 1/e And at that point I had the brilliant idea use the quotient rule in reverse And then it's just (e^u)/u * 1/e or just x/(1 + lnx) THE QUOTIENT RULE IS USEFUL FOR INTEGRALS!!
@chanuldandeniya9120
@chanuldandeniya9120 4 ай бұрын
Yeah exactly. I was looking for this comment. You can also do it without a substitution. lnx/(lnx+1)² = ((lnx+1)-1)/(lnx+1)² = ((lnx+1)(d(x)/dx)-x(d(lnx+1)/dx))/(lnx+1)² Which is the result when the quotient rule is applied to differentiate x/(lnx+1). Hence the answer for the integral is x/(lnx+1)
@shadeblackwolf1508
@shadeblackwolf1508 3 жыл бұрын
We learned "choose one, and check if you've reduced the mess. Back out if you have not." Would a substitution on u = lnx not help on the 4th case?
@mayurchaudhari850
@mayurchaudhari850 3 жыл бұрын
I never thought LIATE as a rule or as a method. It's more like an advice from experienced mathematicians, "In most of the integrations, you'll find yourself integrating in this pattern."
@tholod
@tholod 3 жыл бұрын
It's fun, in France we have ALPES, for arccos/arcsin ; log ; polynomial ; exponential ; sinusoidal. At the time I learnt integration, my teacher said like you that it is better to search which part is better to integrate than use this tip.
@pushkarrakhe385
@pushkarrakhe385 3 жыл бұрын
Wow that's such a cool acronym!
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 3 жыл бұрын
Well I guess this acronym really… alp-ed you out!
@pushkarrakhe385
@pushkarrakhe385 3 жыл бұрын
@@goodplacetostop2973 lol
@bobnavonvictorsteyn9017
@bobnavonvictorsteyn9017 3 жыл бұрын
@@goodplacetostop2973 you’re a celebrity on this part of KZbin.
@teo_rc
@teo_rc 3 жыл бұрын
In Mexico we use ALPES too and it's dope
@paesanng
@paesanng 3 жыл бұрын
I often tell my students, "We artificially adjust things to fit into standard forms we can use." Especially with situations we are integrating constant/quadratic or linear/quadratic.
@Kiwinov
@Kiwinov 3 жыл бұрын
I completely agree, you can't exactly impose strict rules for calculus. It always matters the type of problems you are solving and thinking a few steps ahead is the key. I always hated that rule
@josephyoung6749
@josephyoung6749 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are so easy to follow, not sure why, it must be a combination of your natural ability to explain the subject matter, along with the use of your whiteboard to write down equations in real time.
@tambuwalmathsclass
@tambuwalmathsclass 3 жыл бұрын
For the past 3 years before I started my own KZbin channel, I ever called you Father of Calculus 💪
@makemymarket1772
@makemymarket1772 Жыл бұрын
Integration by parts felt impossible until i found this video, thanks!
@juliuspulido5980
@juliuspulido5980 11 ай бұрын
The feeling being ready before diving to Calculus 2 this upcoming 2nd sem.😌
@baobinh2513
@baobinh2513 2 жыл бұрын
for the 4th intergral, I can write down the numerator as 1 + lnx - 1, which is the same as (x)'(lnx + 1) - x(lnx + 1)' therefore, the whole fraction becomes (x/(1 + lnx))', which then nicely cancels out with the intergral sign
@yanwu8758
@yanwu8758 3 жыл бұрын
I don't mention LIATE. Let students explore on their own. If their u fails, then go back and try a different u. My tip for students is to find the u-term first. The u-term in the original integrand is usually the term you want to change or get rid of through differentiation.
@wardotard
@wardotard 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool about your number 4. I remember that video, glad to still be watching!
@YuvrajChowhan
@YuvrajChowhan 3 жыл бұрын
-cos(x^2)/2+C will be the answer to the last question. No need to apply LIATE or ILATE. It can easily be done by substitution by substituting x^2=t.
@Katoto112
@Katoto112 3 жыл бұрын
K genieass
@yatogami7393
@yatogami7393 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever i see x^2 and x together , always do it
@yatogami7393
@yatogami7393 3 жыл бұрын
@@Katoto112 why do you even care lol
@CliffSedge-nu5fv
@CliffSedge-nu5fv 6 ай бұрын
I love the multiply by 1 trick for #4. Adding zero and multiplying by one are like the invisible ninja assassins of mathematics. They come out of nowhere and defeat the problem quickly. One of my faves is to integrate 1/(1+e^x) by adding zero.
@santoshmishra5993
@santoshmishra5993 2 жыл бұрын
At 10:00 assume lnx to be t. dx equal to e^t dt and then apply by parts THAT'S IT
@georgesadler7830
@georgesadler7830 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the integration by parts techniques and solving problems in calculus.
@EprhaCarvajal
@EprhaCarvajal 3 жыл бұрын
It’s actually funny that in my education in Dominican Republic we use the method but the order is different, for us is ILATE, all the letters stands for the same.
@TozzaYT
@TozzaYT Жыл бұрын
7:15 how did you know to stop there?
@Peter_1986
@Peter_1986 3 ай бұрын
The LIATE method is essentially good enough to be worth a try, like a kind of "let's see if this works" approach, but it is also important to develop a feel for which parts that would be better to differentiate.
@drhubblebubble7
@drhubblebubble7 3 жыл бұрын
In my 6 years of knowing integral calculus this is my first time that I've heard of LIATE. At this point I would trust my intuition more than LIATE.
@yatogami7393
@yatogami7393 3 жыл бұрын
I am lucky that I got a good Mathematics Teacher . When we came across this stuff , he taught us this method but suggested not to use it . He told us to integrate by parts by choosing which expression is "easier to integrate" by our intuition. And for real , in some questions even this rule fails(as in takes longer time ). And you sometimes can use different methods to integrate a function that seems harder to integrate but is easier than the other one.
@yatogami7393
@yatogami7393 3 жыл бұрын
The last line was a twister lmao.
@Bhuvan_MS
@Bhuvan_MS 11 ай бұрын
In my college, they had taught us about the ILATE rule but they also mentioned that it is not always necessary to follow the order and gave us the examples. So we just had to understand which function was easily integrable and which wasn't. I guess it is more sort of, an intuitive method of solving.
@Math342010
@Math342010 Жыл бұрын
In fact (on 14:32), I didn't really know about LIATE. But, I am fully agree with Bprp's opinion: "Choose which part is to be integrated first"
@RanjanSaha-q6o
@RanjanSaha-q6o Жыл бұрын
In the integration of secant cube we can assume there is a x to the power 0 which is ultimately 1 and then do the D I method
@Ray.096
@Ray.096 8 ай бұрын
thank u so much. you have all my respect. this is what maths teachers should be like; positive, fun and informative.
@unkennyvalley287
@unkennyvalley287 3 жыл бұрын
The way i teach it, its usually usable if there is no composite function involved in the integrand.
@Calcprof
@Calcprof Жыл бұрын
I really like the way physicists think about integration by parts -- in direct analogy with (y, Ax) = (A*y, x) ---- this is really the power of integration by parts -- not in finding particular integrals -- like Integral of x^2 Log(x) dx, but in manipulating the action (integral) to obtain deep insight into the physical solutions. This sort of manipulation come up in math classes in ODEs, PDEs and Calculus of Variations.
@NevlaIshan
@NevlaIshan 3 ай бұрын
6:24 secx=under root(1+tan²x) So eqn becomes underroot(1+tan²x)×sec²x Let t=tanx then subsitution you also get answer
@AdelAdel-pn1bq
@AdelAdel-pn1bq Жыл бұрын
another way to deal with the integral at the end is you can make u = 1+ln(x) then x = e^u-1 then its basically just two almost similar integrals that cancel with each other
@venky3656
@venky3656 3 жыл бұрын
for the sex^3(x) qn we can use the result of int root(a^2 + x^2) dx = x/2 root(1+x^2) + a^2/2 ln |x + root(1+x^2)| + c to get quick ans
@venky3656
@venky3656 3 жыл бұрын
we can substitute for 1+lnx as t differentiating we get dx=xdt and we know x=e^(t-1) there or getting the integral as e^(t-1)(t-1)/t^2 which is e^(t-1)(1/t-1/t^2) as -1/t^2 is derivative of 1/t we get the result as e^(t-1)/t+c which is x/1+lnx+c after substitution (i used the result int e^x[f(x)+f'(x)]dx = e^xf(x)+c, which we can prove by doing another substitution)
@yatogami7393
@yatogami7393 3 жыл бұрын
I did something similar.
@treeross
@treeross 10 ай бұрын
I have been having no luck learning calc 2, but this method actually makes sense. (I am a bit biased to the tabular method though, we use it in quine-mcklusky models for circuit design)
@lotfidzn
@lotfidzn Жыл бұрын
We were taught the ALPES stands for A for the arcsin arc cos etc L for log P polynome E exponential S sin and cos etc
@yellow9914
@yellow9914 3 жыл бұрын
in France we sorta use ALPES which stands for Arctan, Log, Polynomial, Exponential and Sinus/Cos
@christopherarevalo1010
@christopherarevalo1010 3 жыл бұрын
They way he solved the hard integral blew my mind! I've never heard of LIATE, so this entire video is just me learning.
@silentintegrals9104
@silentintegrals9104 3 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@overlord_actual3739
@overlord_actual3739 3 жыл бұрын
when you put +C it makes me happy
@cornationboot8690
@cornationboot8690 Жыл бұрын
5:23 actually it helps u need to know an identity of integration of root of x^2 + a^2
@hemandy94
@hemandy94 3 жыл бұрын
I never heard of this LIATE method and maybe it was for the best. Instead of giving us another "trick" to memorize, they just told us to choose which to integrate and which to differentiate.
@darcash1738
@darcash1738 Жыл бұрын
I guess I should have realized that it was supposed to be the other one when I got very close, but simply conflicting signs that didn't allow me to cancel when i chose lnx as "I"
@Ninja20704
@Ninja20704 3 жыл бұрын
My teacher teaches me both ways. First is to use the LIATE, but more importantly, she stresses that we need to choose correctly in order for the IBP to work, because she used the same example of integrating sec^3 x in our homework
@hiiamelecktro4985
@hiiamelecktro4985 2 жыл бұрын
Never heard of LIATE. Though for a sec that was an weird English abbreviation for “Integrating by parts” because I didn’t learn math in English (also never had an equivalent to LIATE taught to me). So I thought this video was about why you didn’t teach integrating by parts. Lmao
@theedspage
@theedspage 3 жыл бұрын
Very insightful. I like the DI method for IBP.
@thatwhichislearnt751
@thatwhichislearnt751 2 жыл бұрын
The sec^3 problem, and in fact all rational functions of trigonometrics of x, can be solved using Weierstrass’ substitution. You wouldn’t have to guess or experiment which factorization is convenient for an integration by parts, since you wouldn’t need any. In general, Calculus teachers would benefit from having seen Risch’s algorithm. In particular, that in integration, trigonometric function don’t really exist. They are just exponentials and logarithms. Another general mantra from the algorithm is that you can integrate all integrals (that have elementary primitives) by eventually reducing to the rational case.
@asmitbhattacharya1964
@asmitbhattacharya1964 2 жыл бұрын
You, sir, are a lifesaver......cleared all my doubts about this 🛐
@alexselby802
@alexselby802 Жыл бұрын
Another easier way to do #4 is with reverse quotient rule. Since the denominator is squared take it to be the denominator of the antiderivative function and by some guess and check, x is a perfect candidate for the numerator.
@Простонякойпъпеш
@Простонякойпъпеш Жыл бұрын
Thx.Ill use it,but you really made me thinking about the 3th and the 4th integral
@chetanrawat8848
@chetanrawat8848 Жыл бұрын
liate is typical in this question . So,Without using liate answer is comming --(1/2) cos(x^2 ) +c
@advaymayank1410
@advaymayank1410 Жыл бұрын
The third integral came in handy when i was computing distance traveled by a projectile. Glad I did it right
@spookyyy6603
@spookyyy6603 Жыл бұрын
I have encountered integral sec^3(x) multiple times in all of science subjects. Mostly in physics. Here and there in Chemistry. Most of the times during maths calculus 2
@shmkrar1153
@shmkrar1153 10 ай бұрын
For the bonus problem, i think we can use u substitution u=x^2
@fanofabdevillersandmathslo5960
@fanofabdevillersandmathslo5960 3 жыл бұрын
We indians learned ILATE rule this also we don't use maximum cases We apply integration by parts By just checking which is more preferable to integrate
@yash1152
@yash1152 2 жыл бұрын
2:48 integrating with sin in a single go, wow, looks like i will have to learn the DI method ( i already saw this in related vids, but ignored)
@Kicsa
@Kicsa 3 жыл бұрын
Wow you are from another dimension, thanks for the video!
@sprite5816
@sprite5816 10 ай бұрын
7:06 hi how did you know to stop here? Thanks
@carlosabrill4851
@carlosabrill4851 Жыл бұрын
My teacher told me that DI method doesnt work with logarithms... but I know when to use the 3 stops
@nicogindre9824
@nicogindre9824 3 жыл бұрын
In France we learn the ALPES method which means Arctan, log, algebraic, exp and sinus (and cos)
@dacharjee1324
@dacharjee1324 3 жыл бұрын
Always learning something new from you :)
@dave-bk6vt
@dave-bk6vt 3 жыл бұрын
Another (UK) who hasn't seen this before As I understand it, it helps in a lot of occasions, but you can't always see when it *won't* work
@blankbuffer8996
@blankbuffer8996 3 жыл бұрын
Well for the integral(ln(x)/(1+ln(x))^2 ,x) you can solve this with just u sub and integration by parts using the LIATE method. No need for creativity on that one Let u = 1+ln(x) integral( ln(e^(u-1))*e^(u-1)/u^2 ,u) this simplifies and expands to integral(e^(u-1)/u ,u)-integral(e^(u-1)/u^2 ,u) then integral(e^(u-1)/u^2 ,u) use integration by parts by integrating 1/u^2 turning into -e^(u-1)/u+integral(e^(u-1)/u ,u) this means the integral(e^(u-1)/u ,u)-integral(e^(u-1)/u^2 ,u)=integral(e^(u-1)/u ,u)-( -e^(u-1)/u+integral(e^(u-1)/u ,u)) that simplifies to e^(u-1)/u putting x back you get the x/(1+ln(x))
@chanuldandeniya9120
@chanuldandeniya9120 4 ай бұрын
Nah it's wrong. You get ((u-1)×e^(u-1))/u² which again needs to be solved with a "creative" integration by parts😂
@blankbuffer8996
@blankbuffer8996 4 ай бұрын
@@chanuldandeniya9120 Expand the expression (u-1)*e^(u-1)/u^2 into two fractions and you get e^(u-1)/u-e^(u-1)/u^2. One of these fractions can be integrated separately as I have shown above using Integration by parts. I should have made the step where I separated them more clear but yes what you have is an intermediate step. I guess what makes my solution creative is that the integrals cancel out rather than being fully computed.
@Salah-fn
@Salah-fn 3 жыл бұрын
OMG the integral at 9:05 I just didn't solve it with LIATE I solved it using partial fractions can't believe it 😋😋😋😋 wish u can see my solution it gave the final answer directly 😂😂
@neilgerace355
@neilgerace355 Жыл бұрын
d/dx (x cos x) = cos x - x sin x, which is pretty close to the integral as well.
@Tony29103
@Tony29103 3 жыл бұрын
This is why IBP is the last choice in "which integral technique should I use" since the others have tells or signs to look for. IBP is like "meh nah, just figure it out"
@roger12321
@roger12321 3 жыл бұрын
The integral of the end can be done with a u-sub
@bhuvaneshwarmarri4184
@bhuvaneshwarmarri4184 3 жыл бұрын
I use the easy method one not like ilate or liate . We can get same answer by any method.
@ahazuerusrex3829
@ahazuerusrex3829 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you professor, for helping me earn my engineering degree, keep up the great work, we are so grateful to you. God bless you sir!
@yourdad602
@yourdad602 Жыл бұрын
I tried to use LIATE in the bonus example. So I chose sin(x^2) to be integrated. When I tried to do that found out it becomes soooo easy if you just use the form 1/2∫2xsin(x^2)dx.
@حسينالقطري-ب8ص
@حسينالقطري-ب8ص 2 жыл бұрын
At 07:00, should be + integral.
@RughsterOscar
@RughsterOscar 3 жыл бұрын
Someday I want to learn english totally to learn about Calculus 2. It's too difficult for me. TY for your videos
@vijaykulhari_IITB
@vijaykulhari_IITB 3 жыл бұрын
Right LIATE rule is (3rd example) assume secx a and assume sec^2x b and solve [a (integral b)-[integral (derivative a).(integral b)]]
@Katoto112
@Katoto112 3 жыл бұрын
K genieass
@potatomine5253
@potatomine5253 3 жыл бұрын
My math teacher was very simple about this, "try to find what would be the most convenient way to solve it"
@lutherlessor4029
@lutherlessor4029 Жыл бұрын
Bonus example, you get stuck at integral sin(x^2)dx, but if u=sin(x^2), integral v du is just integral x cos(x^2)dx, which is easy by substitution! I'm stealing your last example for when I teach Int. by parts next.
@SuperYoonHo
@SuperYoonHo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
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