5 Controversial "Supercars" That Are(n't) Supercars!

[@BladedAngel]

I also own a Corvette Z06 for anyone about to comment, "Mustang fanboy whose jealous!" (Check out my channel for more Corvette vids 👌) I can confirm the interior is still mostly plastic, even with 3LZ. It's a nice car sure, but not exotic.

[@tuckeruber4844]

Yeah I was so confused if you owned your mustang corvette or both.

[@spoon7965]

*out

[@CrazeyP]

Bladed Angel I agree

[@alejandrovaldivia2078]

No one said exotic, he said supercar.

[@FireFoxDestroyer]

What about C8 fronted C7?

[@jj-218]

The Corvette is like Goku, he has reached and even surpassed the power of some gods yet he is not a god himself.

[@worldbossjkl5977]

Your comment is soo underataed

[@fernandorivas5059]

Ruben O. He’s Jesus. Son of God.

[@speediskey3856]

Nah he the one above all

[@coonjamalay]

Like thanos

[@dirtman3192]

Well it is now

[@dq_6.258]

Is mayonnaise a supercar?

[@ethanwrasman4393]

Derek Quigley NO THIS IS PATRICK

[@erikkononov]

Derek Quigley I think it depends on a trim.

[@cappy7674]

Naw it’s a hyper car. Get you facts straight

[@robinv2758]

Derek Quigley it's more than a supercar or even a hypercar, it's a superdupermegahypercar

[@cappy7674]

You right my mistake

[@Kieryboo]

The Corvette in my opinion falls under the class of "Super Sports Car"

[@amarqzm5082]

Butter Toast yup people think just cause of the looks proved stuff

[@JRGVirals]

What about c8?

[@dominicviner6619]

Which nobody says but I see what your saying

[@MTLMJN]

This is just one, but all the corvettes before the c8 are American muscle to me. The c7 zr1 is kind of an outlier.

[@gtgokujr]

Ziandre Richard american muscle??

[@ultimagamer1163]

Bladed: “when everything’s super, nothing’s super “ **syndrome intensifies**

[@ditto5195]

"When everybody's super no one will be" - Syndrome 2004

[@sakariaskarlsson634]

And that is pretty much the outline for our 3d printed future, what will motivate us when everything becomes instantly achievable? Finding a unique style?

[@ditto5195]

Sakarias Karlsson guess we will find out .

[@BlokHed75]

David Yas

[@tippiebekfast]

David this is why we have riced out civics and Donald trump

[@HipHopAnalysis]

My boy bladed really out here quoting the incredibles 😂😂😂

[@Redstoneprime316]

For anyone who says that the first gen NSX isn't a supercar just for the fact that it only has a V6: The Jaguar XJ220 only has a V6, and that is a hypercar. (And for anyone who says that the XJ220 isn't a hypercar: It was the fastest car in the world until before the McLaren F1).

[@theclassynarwhal8203]

Redstoneprime also 2017 Ford gt has a v6

[@regularbloke2117]

Redstoneprime even the gt60 have a v6 and its a supercar

[@Redstoneprime316]

Aimar Zufar what's a GT60?

[@regularbloke2117]

Redstoneprime the new ford gt is codenamed the gt60

[@johnsonw]

Aimar Zufar true true true true

[@loganbradley8423]

So, umm, those requirements make the acronym, PEEL, therefore yes, the P50 is in fact a supercar.

[@itsexclusive62]

Logan Bradley it’s not even fast

[@dawgly4815]

@@itsexclusive62 you uncultured swine, how dare you insult the legacy of *the greatest car of all time*

[@draeino]

It’s Exclusive r/wooosh

[@ericjkovach]

We need someone to swap a sport bike motor into a p50...

[@DodgeViperGTS-ml5by]

No. The peel trident is a Supercar

[@fastlane3821]

I'm glad my dream car is not on this list (Dodge Viper)

[@sushiwashere9917]

Nissan gtr here

[@Blaznchicken]

That’s because there is no doubt they are

[@claytonfair3038]

They’re far too exclusive to be considered sports cars lol

[@steven_drm]

That's because it's a track weapon

[@ammarokla7217]

That huge engine is nowhere near being a sportscar engine .

[@InkblotHyena]

I believe the NSX is a proper supercar for its time. Back then, if you could beat a Ferrari, you'd made it. The 90's were a different time, man.

[@juzoli]

Dumptruck Gaming Beat it in what sense? The whole point is that something doesn’t become supercar just because it is fast, or even faster than a Ferrari.

[@govinlock8568]

even ford mustang gt (V8) has 260 HP output at that time. still can't get away from skyline gtr in same model year.

[@francescom9234]

The Ford gt has a v6

[@BladedAngel]

He meant Mustang GT

[@watersnortmoment3734]

Francesco M Well, the modern one does.

[@RazvanMaioru]

9:55 “No one likes glass engine bays any more” Lamborghini be like: “What’s he smokin’?”

[@NeedForSpeed.2004]

lol ya

[@tjmoneybags]

thats the stupidest thing ive heard. If you owned a v12 behind your head, its cool as hell. Dont tell me you don't want to see it or show it. You don't have one if you think it isnt cool

[@tancow]

@@tjmoneybags he means in front engined cars

[@tjmoneybags]

​@@tancow I maintain its a stupid comment. There is only 1 car to have done that There was NOT a trend...no one else did it. just my 2 cents. Because its not correct, he sounds like a young person with improper context and only knowledge gained from other youtube videos.

[@freeautoinsurance365]

lamborghini is cringey if they say that

[@mees7529]

The first ever car made would be a Supercar🤔 I mean at the time it would pass all checks

[@bigounce4108]

But a horse was faster than it tho. I think its top spd was 12 mph

[@mees7529]

@@bigounce4108 ... Fuck

[@umlautabuser2769]

@@bigounce4108 so, it means that the first supercar should be faster than a horse, right? So its top speed should be higher than 54 mph.

[@bigounce4108]

Ümläüt Äbüsër sure

[@nickeos]

@@bigounce4108 so it had less than a horse power?

[@santiagocastro4731]

I think you can classify the cars by the trim Example: Mitsubishi Lancer = Sedan Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution = Sport car

[@MyNameIsNidos]

Infernus Baller The amount of people that think I drive an Evo is insane. When picking up my girlfriend from school, there are sometimes people that stop and look at my “nice” car. It’s a 2017 Lancer, it’s nothing special and it’s slow as fuck 😂

[@whatiwant8898]

*Evo: Sports Sedan.

[@oxii99]

Super saloon

[@snap-off5383]

Heh 4 door sports car. Like a wrx. Contradiction in terms. Sporting out a 4 door is like sporting out a minivan.

[@snap-off5383]

@@whatiwant8898 Submarine screendoor.

[@alieffauzanrizky7202]

About the NSX *i think, i think it's a supercar* - Ayrton Senna

[@arvinbuensalida6239]

YES.

[@keeperofeurobeat8421]

THY GLORIOUS SENNA HAS SPOKEN.

[@shinyjohny7969]

SO TRUUUUUUUUU

[@A7XFan800]

Not sure about taking Senna's words. He was the one who designed the car. (along with engineers from Lotus and Honda)

[@minoassal]

If senna said so, our opinion is not valid :P

[@drmayday0015]

"IBM's main frame computers from the 60s weren't true super computers, because an original iPhone is more powerful."

[@setoman1]

No, they really weren't. Speed is not what defines a super computer. Competition does.

[@arctictheweeb4111]

Bladed: “The Alfa Romeo..” Jeremey Clarkson: “heh heh heh...”

[@worldbossjkl5977]

Lol😂😂😂

[@hwcollectorss627]

A kid at my school said there is a such thing as a ford Lamborghini 😂😂

[@arvvv1201]

@@marshallshanklin1403 5'11

[@atx-cvpi_99]

It's called the Ford GT.

[@user-vy9tk8yb9o]

Actually some company made a half mustang half lamborghini. Search Lamborghini mustang

[@arvvv1201]

@Vineeth wrx(Brawl Stars and more) yeah lol

[@pinheadlarry1019]

The factory it's made in must be in Utopia or something.

[@NNNSSSCCC]

We all know the real supercar is the Ford Focus.

[@RaRa-uo3eh]

What trim

[@NeedForSpeed.2004]

no it's the Toyota Prius

[@jimbabbbson7653]

No it’s the Mitsubishi Mirage

[@JamesWatkinsAI]

It is the Chevy Spark

[@salz_]

Not even close. The Renault Twingo on the other hand is the epitome of supercar status.

[@raptor5x57]

In my opinion, the 2020 Corvette is a supercar, but 2019 or less arent. but i do consider the 2019 ZR1 a supercar

[@olileoli2788]

Same.

[@kcken1493]

Same

[@Sp1c3R1ce]

C8 i think you mean

[@conorbrowne-1]

@@Sp1c3R1ce The C8 is the 2020 corvette

[@Sp1c3R1ce]

@@conorbrowne-1 yea i knwo

[@gyrfalcon7332]

90’s NSX is a super car. My mind was blown the first time I saw one back then. They were absolutely exotic, rare, fast and expensive.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

Iconic styling, I never drove one let alone owned one. Power and acceleration numbers for the NSX are considered unacceptably anemic by today's 12-year-olds but they were considered outstanding cars by people who actually owned & drove them, especially by people who could easily afford dozens of exotic cars with drastically more power than the NSX. That's how you know they built a good one.

[@kevinyariel2651]

It you can consider a V8 Challenger a muscle car, but a V6 not. Then it also aplies to supercars

[@BladedAngel]

That's what I was thinking with the Trim Argument! So that's why I used that same logic for being okay with the ZR1 and SVR passing the check.

[@thatmarred_mustang]

Bladed Angel well, if you are thinking about mustang, the mustangs most popular engine when it first came out was an I6 engine. The challenger and mustang are not orginal muscle cars, but ponies cars. Stuff like chevelle and torino and chargers are muscle cars. Big cars, big engines. When the mustang came out it was a small medium engine, but in the late 60s early 70s it became medium with big engines. But I could agree that they became closer to muscle when they had trims like the boss 429 and cobra jets. Just my opinion, so to write a paragraph and get off track

[@georgianultraimperialistor2934]

Bladed Angel what about viper ?

[@dennisklein3574]

What about the 2017 ford gt?

[@thatmarred_mustang]

Dennis Klein well, of course that's a supercar. There has never been a question

[@Aciimov]

NSX is classic supercar

[@ProHasanZone]

NSX is a very beautiful car ( all models )

[@greko4849]

Lotus Elise is better Jk

[@buddimalliyanapathirana1767]

Classic street racing car

[@DelToDelete]

@@greko4849 I mean, it does look nice.

[@halohunter5217]

I'm going for an Exige 240R as an attainable sports car.

[@nofurriesallowed41]

One time I was walking home from school and me and my friends passed by a 1st gen nsx, my friends said “ oh dammmn, it’s a Ferrari !” I facepalmed so hard, I got a nosebleed

[@taavileinonen5201]

That sounds like one of my friends actually all of them might be because im 12 year old so yeah

[@NovaPog37]

I also hate when people miss judge the nsx since it is my dream car

[@linusorlinux8787]

People hate I because it's a hybrid

[@nyckae8587]

@@linusorlinux8787 they can hate but the car performs

[@linusorlinux8787]

@@nyckae8587 true

[@alieffauzanrizky7202]

Sometimes, 0-60 isn't everything

[@BladedAngel]

Of course not, but even if we consider Top Speed, Handling, and other performance factors, the Corvette and NSX still slay Supercars in all aspects, so therefore, we have to measure their status based on other factors aside from performance. Like the other 3 I mention

[@mixablemanager2332]

you'r right its 60-0 times to

[@fread51]

AFR 2017 yeah if you drive a Mazda Miata

[@jimjones3287]

0-60 is not everything because Tesla.

[@garchompy_1561]

If it was, then the NSX wouldnt be a supercar but the MR2 Turbo would be although im not compleatly against calling the mr2 a high end sports car, its not a super car

[@daltonsikhosana8275]

The biggest issue with the corvette is the models, you can’t buy a Ferrari 458 base model... when you buy a 458 you buy a 458

[@Chrisp707-]

But technically speaking a 458 with no options is a base 458 ijs also the Corvette is considered a sports car until you hit the zr1 or the z06 which are definitely supercars

[@TheDementedSig]

458 means you buy a Ferrari with a 4.5L V8. That’s no ordinary engine, and Ferrari’s no ordinary car company.

[@ms8ff153]

You can get a speciale

[@Phantomgto85]

@@Chrisp707- Z06 isn't a supercar. Just a nice sport cars. I see plenty of Z06 in central FL. Price was never anything crazy. How many ppl you know own a ZR1 tho? I've never even seen 1 on the streets ever.

[@Chrisp707-]

@@Phantomgto85 based off performance the z06 is a supercar price doesn't make a supercar it's performance (straight from the factory) is what makes it a supercar

[@Timmyval123]

The C4 ZR1 outpaced many supercars in it's day.

[@rockysquid1094]

Tim I wouldn’t call the Corvette a supercar, Is call it a supercar killer, like the Nissan GTR, just RWD.

[@aracoonswagman1191]

@@rockysquid1094 it's more like a super sport

[@tylerworrell4446]

@@rockysquid1094 nothing you said even made sense. So let me get this straight, they beat a lot of supercar in many areas of performance but they're not a supercar?

[@soundbolt4776]

the c4 zr1 had a shitty interior

[@bro8607]

@Mitrax zero yes, yes it is, sure it can be all about luxury, but that would make it a luxury car, not a supercar

[@maki-71]

He just quoted from a great animated Pixar movie. Frickin legend. "And if everyone is super, no one will be"

[@steamfanboy7536]

8:07 did he just quote Syndrome from the Incredibles?

[@Collasseum]

Steam Fanboy yeah

[@maniagamingnl8621]

Yes!! I was searching for this comment

[@bangerbangerbro]

I've never seen the incredibles but what he says is something you could easily say without purposely quoting anything.

[@soggybread5406]

yes

[@gilserrano4819]

No one You know he stated he didnt wanted to say it because he knew the quote.

[@Real_MisterSir]

As a car design student, this is how I define "Supercar": - A car focused on all round high performance, not a one trick pony - A car with a track focused body, often meaning low, wide, and sloping teardrop angles for aerodynamics - A good weight distribution for handling and optimal grip under cornering and acceleration - A focused interior with the essentials, but good quality on important parts - Can't be based on a 4 door configuration (or similar) - Has to be exclusive (relative to typical sporty but less performance focused cars) So to summarize the cars in this video: Honda NSX (old): Yes, very much a supercar. It ticks all the boxes, and competes with comparable supercars of its era. It's low slung, wide body, mid engine, good power, good handling, and is rarer than its sportscar counterparts (like the Supra, RX7, etc). Honda NSX (new): Much same story as the old model, track focused and a more-sporty-than-normal-coupe bodystyle. No need to talk more about this. It's a supercar to its full definition, why do people even argue this. Corvette (all models): Yes, all of them are supercars. All. They are more all round focused on balanced performance than their sports car counterparts like the Mustangs and Camaros, Corvettes have always been about the more race oriented style, which is important for supercar status, more than just a sportscar. One could argue the very first models (c1, c2, c3) were more in the GT category, which is a half-half sub division in itself, with roots in supercar territory mixed with luxury and comfort. But especially from c5 and onwards, all Corvettes are supercars. I also want to point out again, that exclusivity is relative to comparable regular sportscars - and to all American viewers, remember the "supercar" status is an international term and not just yours. I know Corvettes are very common in the US, but everywhere else they are as rare as Ferraris. Where I live there are probably 10x more Porsche 911 turbos than regular base model Corvettes. Exclusivity is relative, which is why I compare it to regular sportscars, and not just rarity in itself. By those means, a Ferrari or Lamborghini is not a supercar if you live in northern Italy.. Jaguar F-type (v8): Definitely a supercar. Low and wide, sloping bodystyle, good handling and high performance engine (even though it might be too much for its tyres sometimes). The V6 is closer to a GT type, because it sacrifices some of the very high end performance and focuses more on the joy of the cruising driving style instead, while still being too sporty and luxurious to be classified a regular sportscar. It is somewhat in the same bracket as a high end Porsche Cayman, or low spec 911. Alfa Romeo 4C: Not a supercar. This is based mainly on what the car competes with, and its relatively small powerplant. It is a very high performance specialized sportscar, but it simply lacks the outright power to be classified as a supercar (in this day and age). Otherwise it ticks all the other boxes, had it had a V6 with 400+ hp, then I'd consider it a supercar. The Porsche 911: A supercar. An exception can be made for the lower engine spec models, which would be more in the GT group, but the higher spec 911s are definitely supercars. They are low, wide, powerful, track oriented, exclusive compared to sportscar counterparts like the Boxter/Cayman segment, and they are very balanced performance wise. There is a reason why they are unofficially named the "everyday supercar" by all acknowledged car news media in the world. There's a reason why the Audi R8 supercar has the 911 as its main competitor. There is absolutely no reason why the middle-high end 911 models are not supercars. I would also add the Nissan GT-R to this list, which very much IS a supercar, but many people write it off because it is either too cheap in their mind, or it isn't "exotic" enough - both of which has nothing to do with what makes a supercar a supercar. Exoticness comes from super exclusivity, and often an expected premium, along with some kind of extremity in design, materials, or devotion to performance parts. That's why most of the Italian brands often end up in this category, because they focus more on niche exclusivity rather than mass market approachability.

[@BladedAngel]

That's one heck of an essay of a comment. I appreciate the thoughts :) Sad to see we disagree on the Romeo, but part of me is inclined to believe it's more of a Roadster anyway. Maybe I'm finally making my own opinion on it instead of following the bandwagon professionals :P

[@Michael-lu2tz]

Daniel Kemnitz I agree with everything you said.

[@superspeeder9184]

I agree with you bout corvettes. Ex. Where i live, in Poland i have never seen a corvette, i saw 1 camaro and around 5 ferraris and 1 mclaren 650s Edit: and a carrera gt/918 spyder flying by

[@losientoo]

Jag F-Type is not a super car... I see those things EVERYWHERE. Maybe it's just where i live, they are not exclusive....

[@andreweilers4720]

Erlan Morales I never see any :(

[@vthegoose]

One that I’m undecided on is the viper. It has the style, exclusivity, performance, and luxury, although the luxury for the driver is a bit lacking lol. The problem I have is that with the exception of the later ACR models with the crazy aero packages, the Viper always felt like a muscle car to me. I wonder what other people think about it

[@Remix2366]

Sports car all the way

[@adoujev]

Definitely a Supercar

[@cronoz-sensei4259]

Gen 1 viper was defo not luxurious. Later gens were absolutely incredible track monsters tho and their interior improved a lot. But at large, no.

[@retrac3147]

I think the most recent viper acr is a supercar tbh. Is an absolute track weapon competing with all other supercars. Plus it has a v10 (although doesn’t scream like a lamo).. Other versions I think directly competes with the corvette so it’s a sports car.

[@cronoz-sensei4259]

@@retrac3147 I'd say Viper ACR is more of a homologation special race car with turn signals rather than a supercar. It's still got Crystler interior, while it's better than gen 1 Viper by MILES it's still not very luxurious.

[@testacular6805]

"And when everyone's super' no one will be." Syndrome- The Incredible's

[@FelpoldVideos]

He quoted The Incredibles...... LIKEEEEEE

[@user-vs7sb9wg2r]

Thi wey is to da grave. Ugandan knuckles is ded plz stop

[@lodewijkperquin1521]

I guess the 911 is half a super car, it depends on which one you get, a base 911 is not a super car, while a gt3/gt2/r/turbo s is definitely a super car

[@evanleo7633]

Lodewijk Perquin still not，cus they are not exclusive enough，you can not have a car sharing a chassis or engine with a normal sport car or truck and call it a supercar，thus 911 and corvette can never be super no matter how fast and expensive they are

[@jesperose3182]

The 959 and Carrera GT is a supercar.

[@chrisklc]

Jesper Ose they aren't 911s tho. And higher spec gt3 or gt2 rs and other higher end trims are definitely supercar. You cannot have a Nurburgring record breaker and deny its supercar standing by saying it shares a chassis.

[@aleksivuorio1540]

evan leo cmon the gt2/3 Rs or even a normal gt3 or a turbo s is definently a supercar

[@f1nn469]

Not 100% about the turbo s but definitely R/GT2/3 are Supercars

[@TheByQQ]

7:55 "and when everyone's super, no one will be"

[@brianhernandez2562]

"My PrIuS iS a SuPeRcAr"

[@nikolausfranco7732]

Brian Hernandez have you seen the mid-engine Prius

[@noooaah]

The BMW is Isetta is a hyper car

[@sortaanonymouslaex9564]

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried... IT'S A MEGA CAR

[@hertz9224]

NOOT NOOT Master ikr

[@reese.6521]

It's a bubble car

[@drownedgod]

Nah it goes for the land speed record

[@CompactCowboy]

Where’s the Miata? Ohh wait my bad the Miata is a hyper car not a super car.

[@younashadi3138]

Liam Pitney *ultra

[@beluga9042]

Liam Pitney Rookie mistake ;)

[@Blueflag04]

ultra tuner super car

[@autoevolution5550]

Liam Pitney Its a mega car u dumb

[@sharpemang]

Liam Pitney put a Camry engine it it and it'll smoke most V8 super cars 😯

[@shaun0162]

I love when you talk like Patrick at times😂😂❤️

[@adizMMZ]

Nice to see a Alfa 4C from Poland. Absolutely a supercar, fast, beautiful, quite rare and with high quality interior

[@mrcrazybubba7758]

How is it super?

[@YTdelsCmts4NoRsn]

And slow as hell for a supposed "supercar" lmao

[@xoulmannn]

It's not a supercar. 4cyl or not, it does not even compete with supercars of its time.

[@afoxwithahat7846]

The 4C as well, carbon fiber, great around a track and a good driving experience these Crown Victoria owner's will never know with their V8s XD

[@blackeye3336]

He'll no sports car at best

[@musicalknight4900]

I consider a trim passing for super car, mainly because it massively changes the peformance.

[@BladedAngel]

Right? Kind of like how V6 Mustangs aren't Muscle Cars, but the V8 is. Sometimes the trim will determine if it makes it into the category or not.

[@musicalknight4900]

Bladed Angel Right, I would love a high end trim Jag or mustang because those are excellent machines. Lower end trims, are, well the lower end of the line up lol

[@evanleo7633]

one more point to be a supercar，no sharing major component with other cars，exclusive engine and chassis is a must，you can't just strap on a super powerful truck engine and call it a supercar

[@BladedAngel]

That's a good factor, I should've thought of that!

[@DATTURTL3]

evan leo exactly why the Dodge Viper isn’t one, my freaking Jeep Compass has the exact same AC vents as the viper

[@205iulian2]

Romain Grosjean AC dont matter that much, engine and chassis do

[@evanleo7633]

Bladed Angel thanks for the like！love your video！

[@evanleo7633]

Romain Grosjean oh c'mon，did you see the word major？

[@Cinder_3OD]

p - performance e - exclusivity e - exotic l - luxury yes i agree the p50 is a supercar

[@joshuamcmurray8315]

the 2017 Ford GT only has a V6 and that's a supercar PS jags aren't rare in England they feckin everywhere

[@Redstoneprime316]

Depends what model of Jag, really. The standard Jags are common place, but older models (E.G. Mark 2, XK120, C-Type, E-Type, etc) and high performance models (XKR-S, XFR-S, XJ220, XJR-15, F-Type SVR and F-Type Project 7) are actually fairly rare.

[@kitaryakysubae3156]

The xj220 is. The damn thing retailed at $780,000 in 1996. It had a twin turbo 4.6L V6, I believe, and made over 550hp, and could go faster than 200 mph.

[@intensaemozine8330]

same in america

[@ronmatson5502]

4.6 by is a beefy mother,always thought of putting a big'ol spooly boy on the inline 6 4.9 liter THE big six,of course special orders you can make a literal big block v6 from a few companies.

[@nobodycares1238]

And Corvettes are really rare I have somehow never seen one in England Seen them in Spain, France, Italy but never in England and I live here

[@krishpanzade7109]

The NSX gen 2 is non arguably a super car, sure it's a v6, but it also has 3 freaking electric motors.

[@austinc4884]

Well the McLaren p1 and Porsche 918 have electric motors...and the electric gives it torque which is good for off the line performance and corners. The nsx didn’t meet expectations but it is quick despite a v6

[@basuo8378]

isn't the ford GT a 6 cylinder? and everyone says that's a super car so i don't think anyone can claim the gen 2 nsx isn't one

[@tjmoneybags]

agree.

[@AliAhmed-df7or]

I think bmw i8 have 3 cylinder lol

[@866Infernus]

the NSX is far from being a supercar lol, it stays down there at the tuners with the skylines and rx7s, people who say the NSX is a supercaralso consider their G35 to be a supercar, or their mustang a musce car lmfao

[@k.almohammadii]

Is a Nissan Cube a supercar?

[@maruph3555]

Qatar cars No it's a megacar

[@mr.narwhal9034]

It is an ultra-omega-extreme-supercar

[@Lgnzzz]

It's a supreme ultra extreme omega super car

[@davidvalencia129]

Qatar cars its a super-duper-mega-alpha-betta-omega-hypercar :v

[@Lgnzzz]

david valencia it's a super duper insane alpha epic omega beta ultimate crazy ultra extremo hyper car

[@runeshark22]

On the subject of the 4c, the size and front end really hold it back. Most supercars are known for radical, extreme looks with massive engines, banshee-like exhaust notes, high horsepower and stellar performance. The 4c is cute. Its tiny, has an almost happy looking front end, it still sounds like any other 4 cylinder, and it looks out of place among other entry level supercars like the amg gt, zr1, and the r35 gtr. Even a lot of luxury sports cars that are most definitely NOT supercars fit in better. A maserati granturissmo, m5, cts-v or e63 amg looks more fitting parked in a group of 458's, huracans, and 720's. The driving experience is like the apex of what miatas go for, that is small, light, corners well, and fun to drive. And you can't sell it on driving like a better version of the miata and then expect it to eat lunch with aston martin and AMG. This same argument applies to lotus as well.

[@cronoz-sensei4259]

Counterpoint - not all super cars are or need to be the Lamborghini Countach. In my eyes the 4C just falls on the opposing spectrum of car design philosophy, on a similar place to like earlier Porsche 911s or current RUF cars, along with higher trim modern Lotuses. I wouldnt consider the original Elise and Exige supercars solely because they were made to be road/track cars first and as such the interior was very spartan. But the 4C has a remarkable interior, truly a work of art and a pleasure to be inside of. And also unlike Elise and Exige, which dont cost an arm and a leg, the 4C does cost an arm and a leg... (it hurts me because I genuinely want one at some point but LORD the price on these). Anyways, the latter part IS very much in-line with the zero-compromises philosophy of supercars, just set in a different direction.

[@FauzaanSharieff]

Absolutely agreed with the Corvette point + specific trims can be differentiated as Supercars, not necessary for the whole line up to qualify.

[@RealTonyMontana]

I think people also think the nsx isn’t a super car because it has a V6 even though it beat Ferrari back in the day and it’s made by Honda which isn’t a “super car” brand.

[@BladedAngel]

Yeah, the brand holds it back a lot. I tried to not take brand into consideration, otherwise I'd get the same issue with Chevrolet and their Corvette. I could less a crap about brand because sometimes we get pleasant surprises. i.e. the Lexus LFA. It came outta nowhere!

[@smittysgarage6568]

Bladed Angel but it's overpriced =P but what isn't nowadays. A box of cereal is 7$

[@dodgycurry]

But by that logic that some people use the audi r8 v10 is not a super car and neither is the Ford GT and I believe both of those are super cars.

[@jacksonladik2705]

Polate by thaf logic, the ford GT is not a supercar

[@antonpeterson1245]

The problem with the NSX is that it had cars like the F1 and Jaguar XJ220 as 'supercars' around. I believe the first gen NSX was a sportscar and the current gen a supercar.

[@seabass9916]

I trim level can absolutely define "sports car" or "supercar." It just better be a damn good trim, with a big difference, like the ZR1, or SVR.

[@BalaNeupane]

Used to watch your videos while in high school jus cuz I liked your vids. After high school, life got a bit hectic so I stopped for a while, but now I’m doing better and looking at a del sol to buy and mod and back to watching your vids, glad I did.

[@fbkensarhd5279]

I still drive my nsx 1998, it still runs like a dream. I hope it outlives me. It is the greatest car I have ever seen or driven, buying this has been the best decision of my life.

[@HeismanBehren]

I agree (I have a 2008 WRX) and that is one of my favorite cars of all time and I hope when I die my kids will at least take it in their garage

[@fbkensarhd5279]

@@HeismanBehren thank you for understanding my sentiment sir :)

[@BobbyCroseBewler]

Any Acura or Honda with good maintenance actually has a good shot at outliving someone lol

[@_kijetesantakalu]

Doug DeMuro said the performance of the C7 ZR1 felt like it was approaching hypercar speed, and even compared it to the 918 at one point. I mean, if a production car's performance can even be compared with the likes of the P1, 918, etc.. it's at least a supercar. That's a lot more than you can say for the base model Corvette.

[@buucey4719]

Doug DeMuro is kinda sketchy on his reviews of cars.. He has a lot of obvious bias that bothers me in his reviews (not saying he's bad, but not my preferred source of car info.

[@_kijetesantakalu]

@@buucey4719 Well, that's just the nature of journalists. They force their opinion on everything. But, given that he has driven a 918, that does have the credibility to say something like that.

[@buucey4719]

that's fair, I just wanted to rant about him.

[@Healtsome]

Thank you for not doubting Dodge Freaking Viper.

[@Starblockss]

Dodge Viper isn't a supercar, its a race car.

[@BladedAngel]

Let's take it a few steps further. It's a SPACESHIP!

[@kevin4428]

Bladed Angel it's not a spaceship It's a death wish boi!!!!

[@Blueflag04]

Healt Desimal Viper is a beast car

[@koenigseggagera8255]

Kevin Flores No, the Mord Fustang is a death wish

[@kabloosh699]

Eh I don't know. Exotic car is not the same thing as a super car. I think performance purely makes a car "super." Exclusivity makes an exotic car. You can make an argument that the Z06 is not a exotic car, but they're definitely super cars. Even the Camaro ZL1 is a super car. Both are not exotic though. Fancy interiors are for GT cars. They're for cruising and being able to go fast, but in style. All a super car is is a sports car with A LOT of performance. A good baseline for "super car" status think of a car that can do 200 mph(or close to it +/- 10 mph), drop sub 5 second 0-60 times, and can dominate corners. That is what makes a super car. There are hyper cars too. Those are doing like 220+ mph, sub 3.5 second 0-60 times and obliterate the corners.

[@______7794]

Kabloosh So uhh, my Saab isn’t an exotic supercar?

[@topkek7003]

Kabloosh theyre only not exotic for us as americans. for europeans, a corvette is very much an exotic car.

[@shaziaansari3150]

3.5 and under is supercar, not hypercar but back then that’s true today hypercar is 2.5 and under

[@user-re9gj2zd5e]

“Special trims of cars can’t be considered super cars” GT3/2 RS: am I a joke to you?

[@hultii]

Mclaren F1 was 1 million dollars in the 90's and had a bit over 600 hp . It was probably the first hypercar. It is amazing how nowadays you can get 600 + hp sedans for 100 - 150 k that can put to shame a lot of supercars. Great time to be a petrolhead :)

[@govinlock8568]

hultii McLaren F1 is still the fastest naturally aspirated production car.

[@LoebProd]

The F1 is legendarycar

[@ThungStudios]

Lotus Elise. An exotic, but can't quite make it into supercar territory due to the interior and performance(?). It's a track car but not an all around supercar. It's like one tier below the 4C

[@UnitiveWILLIAM24]

a this is actually a good car to mention. especially back then in 2005, I’d say it was considered more of a supercar than it is today. But interiors shouldn’t and doesn’t hold weight to supercars. Most of them are ergonomically challenged.. but does that make it any more or less of a supercar? Lol

[@RazvanMaioru]

However the henessey venom (sorry if I misspelled it) which is based off the lotus is definitely a supercar, if not a hypercar. I think that makes the lotus a half-supercar at least

[@daltontempesta5285]

I bought a C5 corvette a couple months ago, and people say it’s “slow”, but whenever I drive it I feel like I’m in a time machine, taking me back to the late 90s/early 2000s. It’s the fastest car I’ve ever owned, and it’s a super car to me from that standpoint.

[@balazs7235]

Even if the NSX was deemed to he a supercar for me it will always stay in that “legendary 90s Japanese cars” category rather than be with the supercars. I am more familiar with the Honda version and that just doesn’t sit right with me. It look amazing and drives amazing, I’ll give it that!

[@ishaansharma654]

"Porsche GT2 and GT3RS.... See them on tracks with Ferraris and Lambos..... Keeps up just fine...." Dude. The GT2RS is the fastest Nurburgring lapping production car. Keep up fine? Really?

[@BladedAngel]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... I didn't want to hurt any Lambo or Ferrari fanboy's feelings ;)

[@ishaansharma654]

Bladed Angel I know you don't fancy yourself as a celebrity, but I'm fangirling over your response. Have a great day man! Love your content.

[@IJustMadeAComment]

What’s funny about Porsche is that they’re so common relatively, even turbos, GT3 and GT2, to Ferrari, Lambo etc among people with money is that it takes away their super car vibe. But performance wise theyre def super cars.

[@supercarsofwichita9485]

Actually it's the 2nd fastest but yeah badass car hope to see one in person sometime. Maybe it was still the fastest when you typed that comment idk

[@Kennedys_Korner]

I believe that the new Aventador SVJ recently broke the first place record holder for the Nurburgring lap times.

[@sand8908]

The miata is a super car

[@alexkafr]

Richard Romero hyper*

[@xdbetyar]

Richard Romero no

[@BladedAngel]

Hyper? Mega? No, it went EVEN FURTHER BEYOND. The Miata is an ULTRACAR

[@jdmlover1084]

Bladed Angel I think the new RF hard top looks super cool!!😍

[@jcol_ON]

LET’S GO FURTHER THAN THAT. THE MIATA’S AN INFINI-CAR

[@failingattempt9984]

Still remember the first time I saw a NSX on the street with my day and I went like "oh that's a nice carrrrr- A HONDA?!" "yea son the NSX"

[@MaxPowweer1]

I think the definition can vary depending on who you're asking. Most Corvette's here in the UK would be pretty damn exclusive, as they're not sold here. But I think badge exclusivity is super important to a lot of people. The NSX is pretty much a supercar, but again in the UK, I think it was mainly held back as it was sold as a Honda. Which is a shame, as when a lot of people see Hondas here they think of their Oddessey MPV, the kids Civic or garden lawnmower, but forget about F1. Then with the trim level issue, for car nerds, you can say the ZO6, F-Type SVR and 911 GT 3 are supercars as we know what we're looking at, but the layman would not see the difference between the trims.

[@AlejandroBelloRD]

Agree with your list, especially on the part that "trim level" is NOT a disqualification factor: 1. The Ferrari 288 is just a "trim level" of the 308 (the Magnum PI car)? Nope: Exotic, super-rare, expensive and freakishly fast (for the 70s) 2. Porsche Turbo S: Another "trim" 911, but extremely fast, VERY expensive, exclusive, and ultra luxurious. So, yes. It's a supercar. 3. Alfa Romeo 4C too: carbon fiber BODY (not just the front spoiler). 4 banger, naysayers? The Lotus Esprit was a bona fide 4-banger Supercar. 4. Corvette ZR1s, ALL of them are true supercars: Very fast, expensive, exclusive, using exotic materials a/o handbuilt engines.

[@leniterfortis4832]

3 out of 4 of your requirements are definitions of EXOTIC cars, not SUPER cars. The word exotic is even in one of them.

[@kwameampadu]

Noah cross this! People always forget that they mean different things smh... for an example Maserati. It’s exotic sure. It looks cool and sounds good, But I wouldn’t call any model except the Mc 12 a supercar. By definition isn’t a corvette also an exotic anywhere outside of the US????? Lol.

[@samueljones3668]

North Crusade Exotic just refers to the cars exclusivity and unsualness to the norm. And I agree on the MC Hammer since its basically a rebadged Enzo with more Aero, same with the Alfa, the 4C is midengined but given its power price and segment its in, its a Sports Roadster. This entire list was iffy, an F-Type a supercar ? Supercars are Powerful Mid Engined cars like what is he on about ? The F-Type and F-Type R are sports cars, given by that logic the GT350R and GT500 are supercars. Because it has more power over its base model trim doesn't change its segment, it isn't midengined or from europe (the NSX is Japans only proper supercar), the NSX is a supercar from that standpoint, the Dematso Pantera is also a supercar. Honestly the segements are this: Hot Hatch Sports Sport Roadsters Super (Exotics) Gran Turismo (GT cars) Hyper (Exotics) They're more categories cars fall under this was a lame list.

[@kwameampadu]

Samuel Jones I don’t totally agree but I see what you mean.

[@thbabni]

4C and the new NSX are definitely exotic. The only thing giving the NSX supercar status is that its mid engined or rear engined. Other than that, its just as fast as the Nissan GTR base model, if not slower...

[@samueljones3668]

THAVANI We established that, saying its exotic is using it as an adjective, exotic means uncommon and rare so indeed the NSX and 4C are uncommon and rare cars, but for their segments the NSX is a supercar while the 4C is a Sports Car or Sports Roadster due to it being a Targa Top.

[@MannyCruzal3]

I once saw a guy roll up to a Safeway near my house in an nsx, when I was 15 years old, and I quickly was judging him and asking questions in my head like, ‘what does he do?’ ‘Who does he work for?’ ‘Is that guy a drug dealer’

[@craigthescott5074]

When the C7 Z06 and ZR1’s are beating other super cars then they are super cars.

[@tmr_media6927]

Honda freaking civic type r

[@BladedAngel]

Fallen Bunny91 Thank you for being one of the few comments that actually understands how that series works. A history video on one specific trim will not nearly be long enough.

[@dominikscarreviews3529]

TMR_MEDIA 69 yes yes yes

[@meleter8107]

I want a professional tuner to start modding 4c cars to over 400 horsepower. Imagine how fast this would be.

[@sortaanonymouslaex9564]

That would be a real fast car and totally awesome. But because of the Alfa's small and compact size that could be a bit difficult.

[@sarmatiancougar7556]

The most stupid thing is when people argue whether or not Corvette or Viper is a muscle car. Why can’t they be BOTH muscle and sports cars? All American sports cars ARE muscle cars. They all compromised on luxury and emphasized on torque and displacement.

[@ktown0173]

Sarmatian Smilodon Because everyone thinks beefy sounding ls = muscle. It's a stupid concept because "hurr durr well it doesn't look like a muscle car" If someone swapped an LS3 into an RX3 they'd believe it's muscle.

[@sarmatiancougar7556]

K Ktown I know. I mean, people take those categories too seriously. Generally, a big engine performance car with tons of torque is muscle. Remember they categorized Dodge Viper (V10 powered car) and Chrysler 300C (a sedan) as muscle cars back in Need for Speed Carbon. Again, it depends on a liberal or a conservative use of this word that you prefer. I prefer a liberal use.

[@Redstoneprime316]

Sarmatian Cougar I wouldn't really class the likes of the SSC Aero and Saleen S7 as "muscle cars".

[@RessyIsBored]

I feel like the Nissan GTR should’ve been on this list, I always hear that one argued over

[@heshwurld]

Not a supercar though

[@Sina-rw3bl]

@@heshwurld the nismo trim 100% is.

[@LLSniper]

The vette is a supercar killer, but not a super car in itself.

[@subarutransmittedinfection1036]

Luke Lenci this ^^^^

[@yahyasajid5113]

Luke Lenci bit like a gtr

[@regularbloke2117]

Yahya Sajid meh its becoming one itself

[@yahyasajid5113]

Aimar Zufar all to common with its low (relatively) price tag and slightly underwhelming v6 ( not talking about performance figures)

[@regularbloke2117]

Yahya Sajid the price itself is becoming more supercar Im talking about the 2017 gtr

[@lumaseed6490]

i heard the C4's would explode overtime...

[@nicholasnachos2008]

I rode in a 1994 c4 zr1 once.

[@Omeax3GS]

BadCompanyLuma no but the LT1's have had overheating issues along with the viper of that year.

[@lumaseed6490]

Stanced-_-0G I was making a C4 explosive joke dude lol

[@no1ded476]

BadCompanyLuma lol I get it. Cuz C4 is a type of explosive. Heh

[@SalsaColombiaUS]

They already flopped

[@stefantsarev4442]

Bladed, there is one thing I would like you to consider - the Corvette is not a supercar, because it is too common... in the United States. Some may consider fast Mercedes and BMW models (SL63 for example, not the SLR or SLS) exotic in the United States, but you can find them everywhere in Europe. But Corvettes are not common in Europe due to their high import cost.

[@user-mx1fq6qm6i]

Big misconception: people complain that the 2nd gen NSX is a hybrid, however, you need to realize that the NSX is made to celebrate Honda's F1 legacy (that's why a 3rd gen NSX will probably not exist) so they have to use F1 technology. Ever since 2014 F1 uses turbocharged hybrid V6's, so that's a what's gonna go to the NSX Also trust me, you DO NOT want to put more power in the 4c

[@galil_6863]

Idgaf what haters say the Prius is a proper supercar!

[@CoolguyB]

DaRealCarlos lol

[@welshbolshevik]

DaRealCarlos \ finally someone that I can agree with

[@commonavionics6069]

DaRealCarlos \ Prius GT?

[@ceasarsaladjesus4204]

best profile pic to match ur comment

[@yourfirsthouseinminecraft4531]

Maybe the trd tuned version.

[@manenkoff]

I 100% agree with you on the Corvette. The Vette has been a sports car, even considered an American "muscle car". And when the concept of "super" car started coming about, the base models didn't quite cut it for that grouping. The ZR-1 absolutely was designed to be in that group and I think the Z06's were designed to be an intermediate between sports cars and super cars. An option if you will, that was designed to give you a car that could perform at those levels without having to be a multi-millionaire to be able to afford it.

[@cronoz-sensei4259]

When you ask Lotus to design you an engine I'd say that's super car territory. The only reason current vettes are so insanely good is because when GM engineers saw the LT1 they got so pissed and envious they busted their asses off to make the LS1. And the LS is proly THE most iconic engine line ever. Coz they're affordable, reliable, can be tuned to high hell and back and funnily enough due to their pushrod design they can cruise at like 1300 rpm and thus literally sip fuel. They get like 25-30 mpg which for a big ol v8 is VERY good mileage.

[@computelion6393]

Bladed, I feel you are the only car guy on KZbin that actually has common sense.

[@GOATEDHUNTER144]

One car that pisses me off cause its one of my favs is the Dodge Viper so many people say its a Muscle Car or Sports Car one its not a Muscle car it has a V10, also its far to powerful to be a sports car.

[@Remix2366]

Based on the design, it's a sports car

[@GOATEDHUNTER144]

@@Remix2366 the original model is debatably a sports car but 2008 on up is supercar

[@josharcz]

Supercarn't

[@LoebProd]

ArChaos i disagreen't

[@kgk8010]

The F-Type is such an awesome though underrated car :(

[@ozzygilliam9194]

KGK agreed

[@freeautoinsurance365]

alfa romeo 4c isnt that fast even by s modern standpoint, it doesnt really look like a supercar its just a sports car not even a high end sports car. if the 4c was a supercar then the camaro zl1 would also be... no way the 4c is a supercar but the corvette z06 isnt

[@Redstoneprime316]

I would put the 4C higher than the likes of the Mazda MX-5

[@jackass5066]

I put them in the same category.sports cars fun to drive etc

[@leogarcia8640]

The only true supercar is the famous SmartCar

[@quinnmccormick2369]

The only true supercar is the BMW isetta

[@hypergaming4963]

@@quinnmccormick2369 IKR 🤣😂

[@spencerbeckett6857]

Can’t believe this comment thread has gone without the Prius🤦🏻‍♂️

[@small_SHOT]

Bicycle

[@shaziaansari3150]

Spencer Beckett Toyota Prius is the best supercar bam there you go

[@SDMNXIX-cd2gh]

But bladed...wherr is the (MAZDA FREAKING MIATA)

[@imnotafurryiswear6391]

Please make Mitsubishi Freaking Lancer Evo

[@amnaah653]

I think of the Alfa Romeo 4C as a Sports car like the Lotus Elise, they both have 4 cylinders but and are extremely light and small, with a bit 200 hp. Three cars I think are honourable mentions are the Lotus Exige, Lotus Evora and TVR Sagaris. I personally think the Exige is the very top of the range sports car. I think all the Evoras since the 400 are low range Super cars, and the TVR is a Super car

[@Redstoneprime316]

I take it your ranking is more like this, then? Sagaris, Evora 400, etc: low range supercars Gallrardo, 458, etc: mid range supercars Aventador, Laferrari, etc: top range supercars/hypercars

[@user-mx1fq6qm6i]

Wherever I live, everything can be a supercar as long as it can go faster than 75mph. A freaking Miata ND costs 73000$

[@taavileinonen5201]

OOOOOOOF

[@user-mx1fq6qm6i]

@@taavileinonen5201 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF indeed

[@taavileinonen5201]

@@user-mx1fq6qm6i in finland cars cost alot compared to usa

[@Wabeeninc]

Second like Now bladed we gotta do the Mazda Freaking Miata or the Suzuki Cappuccino

[@Dave-ks9ig]

Jemarc Quash Boxhill nah suzuki freakin pikes peak

[@BladedAngel]

Esketit? MORE LIKE ESCUDO!!!! I loved that stupid car so much as a kid.

[@LoebProd]

Fiat freaking multipla for 1st of april xd

[@rumaan2927]

Where has your Chanel been my whole life!!!!! Love your Chanel dude

[@freeautoinsurance365]

saying the zr1 isnt a supercar just because it has lower trims that arent supercars or the production number is too high is the stupidest reason ever to back out and say its not a supercar because what do you want when youre buying a supercar, a car that physicly looks and performs like a supercar or a car that is a supercar based on marketing and buissness prespective and paperworks?

[@rslemieux]

Time for an update to discuss the C8. Kinda looks like a supercar, performs, but will be so common!

[@runeshark22]

if they maintain the trend of having a base, grand sport, z06, then zr1, and most of us agree a zr1 is accepted on the council, but not yet granted the rank of master, then I'm going to make my prediction now, in april 2021. The grand sport will probably have better suspension, better brakes, wider tires, and crack 500 horse. The z06 and zr1 will have the looks and performance so dialed in that it'd be hard to argue against it. The c7 zr1 had 755 horse, no question the c8 will pass 800. And it will wield it properly unlike a demon.

[@rishab3263]

This did answer one of my biggest question

[@samuelmoon2766]

there is only one thing that defines a supercar BADASS

[@BladedAngel]

A lot of cars can be badass, but not supercars. Even with enough work, something as simple as a 240SX can become really badass.

[@subscriber6181]

GT500?

[@samuelmoon2766]

I know i was just saying it for fun

[@Fantastika]

Dodge demon, not a supercar

[@mathias6369]

i think we should just create a new term that lays between sports and super car, and we use that for cars that are between sport and super

[@angeltheedmfan6369]

For the C8 Corvette, I think it already became a fully fledge supercar in my opinion.

[@ThatLooksLikeARake]

I disagree with most of these, but i love the effort you put into videos. Cheers.

[@BladedAngel]

That's fine. This video is mostly opinion so we're here to discuss and it's unlikely we'll all agree. Otherwise this wouldn't be as big a debate in the car community as it is :)

[@ThatLooksLikeARake]

I agree. People are entitled to their own opinions, and things like this are open for discussion.

[@mcxhalo]

Fair enough, I personally agree with most of the video.

[@moesgymmom]

I think it should be based strictly on Nurburgring track times of the time it was made

[@koalawithchaingun53]

Eh not really, like Radicals are super fast on Nurburgring, as are cars like the M4 GTS, but they’re definitely not supercars

[@freedomrider266]

Not to mention the ZL1 1LE has a very high Nuburgring time.

[@physetermacrocephalus9986]

@@freedomrider266 Also the Nissan GT-R NISMO cheated in its well known 7:08.679 Nurburgring time. People should base it on track times relative to its era, including the 'Ring, and its straight line performance.

[@spicysnowman8886]

"We need to bomb the nurburgring and all cars developed on it are rubbish!" (James May) he speaks the truth.

[@thatrobotguy7963]

Applying this logic, I discovered that Chitty Chitty Bang Bang classifies as a borderline Hyper-car. Despite not having a high top speed for its time period it is one of the most exclusive cars ever made.

[@PRIDEATH]

You should remake this and consider the Nissan GTR, Porsche GT3, and the Maserati GranTurismo

[@jackass5066]

Porsche gt3 is supercar the Maserati isn't and the gtr is one of the most conflicted topics.