Why Dota 2 Will Never Reach League's Popularity Ever Again

[@musa5326]

- Valve tries to make their game better - Riot tries to make their game more popular

[@davinathaniel7161]

THANK YOU

[@remorselesswinter4214]

That's a multiverse bending cope hoooly. Explain to me how does cancellation of true sight or a straight up downgrade in terms of exchanging battle pass for the shit we have now is ,,making the game better''. The only, and i mean ONLY good change that has been done in last 3 years is the facets, and even them have been done extremely unevenly, with some being laughably bad and other ridiculously strong. I don't know if you're trying to fool others or yourself, but Valve abandoned ship, deal with it.

[@rogue0815]

​​@@remorselesswinter4214 holy hate. You do realize it is literally impossible to make every facet on the same level? As like any moba strategy game there's good ones and bad ones. Even so there has been many other updates to keep the game fresh. Not to mention recent crownfall is totally f2p player based giving them easy access to immortal items, arcanas, fun to play mini games and even nice storyline how is that not update in the good direction?

[@ML-eq4rx]

@@rogue0815 its not impossible at all...in the slightest...it really isnt hard and im sure a TEAM of people can have the thoughts that im having about what could be done

[@rogue0815]

​@@ML-eq4rx dude im sure you are a wise guy and if so you can realize its way too hard to make everything balanced in a moba game.

[@ExequielGLucero]

There are 2 reasons why Lol has more players than Dota 2 - You only need a toaster with an operating system - It's a simpler game than dota

[@xazarl3381]

Il give you 2 more - its way more fun than dota 2 - its way faster paced than dota 2

[@bovineavenger734]

@@xazarl3381 its dumber, yeah the audience is far dumber too.

[@psk5896]

League also has better new player experience solely because of the fact that there is -better mmr distribution resulting in better match making - less smurfs This is the one sole factor that determines wheather new players actually stick to this game and League actually matches up their new players with new players instead of other players with 1k hours already which will hate you for being in their team and even when you get someone with lesser hours or a new account, the chances of them being a smurf is higher than the chances of them being a new player in Dota 2 sadly

[@dreaM_107-q3k]

@@xazarl3381 more fun, yes if you are low IQ and can't do more than one thing for thousands of hours, if repetitive is considered fun then I envy you. Same bs every game is not fun for me.

[@xazarl3381]

@@bovineavenger734 Mate all dota2 players can do is talk like there game is hard its not hard its difficult to start once your passed that its easier than league. Laning phase in dota 2 vs league is laughable at how much harder league is put gameplay side by side i would laugh my ass off.

[@Marcusianery]

People say Dota "falls off" when it is still a top 3 game on Steam, every freaking day more or less.

[@bjnazerigaming8302]

atleast dota got steamchart

[@5p3ctrL]

yeah but looking at where dota once was it is clear to say they fell off, wasn't a hard fall but they certainly arent where they used to be

[@tengkualiff]

​@@lauta8638 i dont think we ever got as many as league lol

[@Slateproc]

Dota has fallen off

[@akito_yuki309]

Fall off ?? Yes. But not populer to the point of dying ?? Its not, i don't think it Will ever dying Dota reach 600k-700k right now. ITS literally top 5 steam game all of time. Apex only reach 200k-450k people never say ITS dying.

[@yunico2319]

"valve is nice and cozy grandma house" this is very touching, as dota 2 is always like home for me, i can try play the other games and then when i tired im always back to dota 2, felt like home

[@kompatybilijny9348]

A toxic home that will eat your life and sanity.

[@bovineavenger734]

@@kompatybilijny9348 That's the entire genre, I mean Riot outright holds their players hostage instead, muting everyone and now they even want to ban you for things you do outside the game

[@SteveGamesOnline]

@@bovineavenger734 riot games players and higher up executives are wusses. The only reason I stopped playing any game coming from riot is because I felt I was being smothered in the passive aggressive bullshit that they always do.

[@commanderyeti3646]

I used to have this attitude, but it’s actually very bad for your mental well being. When I used to be obsessed with dota, nothing else was interesting to me, and other games felt so boring. Now that I’m not obsessed anymore I can enjoy my life and have fun playing games that aren’t as stimulating.

[@Marchi-2000]

I find myself bored with other games after a few hours/days... Yet I have been playing dota since 2021 ... It's a staple.

[@PatrickSlingshotGuy]

After putting tons of hours into both games I really do just think League has the gameplay that most people will enjoy. Its mostly fast paced, revolves mostly around outplay mechanics and singular skill (at least compared to dota) and is much easier to learn and get into. everything about it caters much more to a casual audience while still having something for hardcore players to like. DotA is much more strategy and team oriented as well as way more complex. ive played DotA for around 2k hours and I still have no idea what im doing half the time because theres just so much to do and learn. In league you just wack your opponent and your lane creeps and sometimes gank but for dota you are doing 20 different small things trying to gain every small advantage possible. Most people don't have the patience or willingness to do all that. SImply put if you grab a random person and told them they had to pick either League or Dota, most people will pick league simply because its easier to pick up and learn and allows individual skill to shine more.

[@bovineavenger734]

It's more casual, yeah, same reason ARMA will never have the number of players of CSGO which will never meet the numbers of Freefire which will never equal Minecraft. The easier and more dumbed down games will always have more players, since they are scrapping the bottom.

[@adamhero459]

You just described what changed over the years. Gamers today are too simple minded and avoid anything a bit complex. Almost all gamers I know that is around my age or older that have tried both for a while hate lol (although may have preferred it initially until they got deeper into dota) and the younger people are compared to me, more and more of them can’t get into dota at all because it’s too hard or complex. I have tried lol for a few weeks every couple years since it came out, and I can never get into it. And it was basically the exact same game as before with the exception of a couple imbalances heroes that are behind a paywall

[@CSSdelvzy]

You say dota has too much nuances then say league is better and shows more individual skills expression, makes no sense. Being able to control lane equilibrium, deny creeps, block camps, pull waves, make clean rotations farm the map efficiently, stack camps, secure mid lanes rune, while mastering your hero, this is individual skill expression. Not I press these buttons and use my flash u go brrrr

[@borga6566]

@@bovineavenger734 Scraping the bottom kinda feels like a negative way to put it. Games that are more casual simply attract a wider audience because the barrier to entry is smaller. MOBAs in general will always have more players than, say, RTS games because they're so much easier to get into and learn (despite being so similar). They're all great games, it's just a matter of which ones have a bigger barrier to entry or not.

[@punipunipuni123]

@@adamhero459 I agree on this and it is not only for MOBA and it applies to a lot of games nowadays. Games nowadays are kinda dumb down to the point it's easy to play with or put some paywall/microtransactions to make it easier. Also if you watch some game reviews of some huge streamers and some critics, they are kinda at fault with this because they got massive support from their viewers. Then they review a game trying to fix a certain aspect of the game which is not game breaking, it's just little nuance to make it difficult. Devs will just adjust with these people to avoid the loss of their player base. Calling them out "Get good at the game or skill issue" makes them mad and make a lot of BS excuse, they can't accept that they are just bad playing the game. lol

[@kurooaisu]

When you don't hear the usual punchline followed by "Templar Assassin" theme song, you know that BlitzSpanks isn't joking around this time

[@JarinCOD]

LoL is so boring, how can anyone play that shite.

[@milicabojic9434]

Dota is so boring, how can anyone play that shite.

[@randombluet-shirtguy2387]

mobilelegends even more exciting than dota 2

[@abogmus8904]

and yet more people do, how is that

[@yuhan4469]

u literally have cod in your username, why people play cod over cs? thats the answer to your stupid question

[@danjan7405]

@@milicabojic9434 let me guess. NA gold/plat player or lower ? It's ok to cry we know it's hard for you to play dota.

[@thinhsuynhuoc]

Its not a loss, its a smaller win, for everyone. My spectre arcana was locked behind a pay/play wall that was 59hours and 100 bucks worth. This year? I bought myself a venge arcana and gifted my brother sky arcana at a reasonable price with the coins. I bought all the expansions, played every mini game. Spent hours on nest of thorns. Days more just scratching my head trying to figure out the new patch that came every month. Guys, this is what dota is about. Quality. Quality of the game, not the name.

[@manuelaranguri630]

thats why they remove bp, but people just dont see the complete atmosphere... crownfall is a bp for the whole year not just seasonal for ti like before. That makes the game more enjoyable like you said. Good narrative in comics, 2 new heroes, The recent ban for almost 70k smurf accounts

[@eloelo6944]

Dude, as if anybody even bothers with that event it is completely garbage I didn't even complete the free stuff, nevermind paying for extras.

[@Omega900]

"Valve has stopped trying, at least in Dota" Well, sir, you should check how much they are trying in CS or Team Fortress ...

[@tengkualiff]

read back what you are quoting.. slowly ..

[@vanhalen2210]

Or left4dead 😭

[@Cutie-PaTo0tie]

@@vanhalen2210 left4dead doesnt have a Esport scene.😭

[@parham6676]

deadlock?

[@cloke3076]

@@vanhalen2210Day of defeat and Portal

[@ML-eq4rx]

I will say this about dota tho...no other game in my life has given me adrenaline rushes like I get with certain moments playing dota...your heart pumping and your body getting warmer and your mind 100 percent focused on the moment maybe even shaking a lil bit...I cant find a replacement for that feeling...thats probly why this game is so addictive

[@joao_pedro_c]

I agree, theres nothing like making a comeback after 60+ mins into the game or winning a 4x5. Sure League also may have moments like this but on Dota its much more intense of a rush.

[@jrbudoybudoy]

If you play FPS games then I suggest trying R6. Its also a knowledge check game and the highs you get from the game is almost there to what the highs Dota can give you.

[@Awesomeman1987]

Yeah this is kinda my problem with league. Everything good or strong gets nerfed down and even when you are completely owning it doesn’t feel that satisfying. There is no build or champion that will ever result in the insane damage levels you can get in dota 2 on a fed pa/lina/clinx etc. That feeling is what lets me tolerate the insane levels of toxicity in dota 2 hahaha

[@GaidenDS10]

@@ML-eq4rx there’s a lot of calculation things to do in Dota, compare to league. In league if you try to fail one time or mid way continuously til the late parts of the game, in the next clash it can be easier to do a rebound with the exact right moments. The phasing is really quick. In Dota 2 however, one mistake alone can become fatal and it’s hard to watch and wait every time a failure follows up from the next you try to get that rebound while the enemy team will do the same. And with the game’s physics and many possibilities you can try to implement, I can guaranteed you it can go more harder and more complex the way it is than the possible ways you can try to kill a hero/champ and win the game. And losing is more stressful while the desperate one tries to comeback to try the game once more.

[@ML-eq4rx]

@@GaidenDS10 comeback mechanics have been easier for the losing team for a while now look it up...losing def sucks yes

[@aassdeeaff]

As a dota 2 player, IDGAF. I'm only sad because I'm getting older and less time to play the game. Not just dota, all the games.

[@erlybird_5248]

Don't want to say it but Valve really need to hire a marketing team.

[@andrezz2312]

They really don't, steam is the best gaming platform by default, if you want to game, you will end up arriving at the steam landing page, and this is their main source of profits, they don't care about marketing their games cuz they make them for passion, not for profit

[@dj_vanx]

they would if they cared

[@HonestlyUnhinged]

Valve never promote anything they do not just dota , they let the games they produce speak for themselves

[@chosenone6702]

enforcing woke politics on dota would be sad tho

[@blueping9278]

Yes and No. As Blitz mentionned they're the first industry to introduce battle pass. Now look how far it has gone and how other online games are using it to milk their own players. Valve has always that free to play and balance philosophy . A newcomer with 100 hours will be as same as a guy xith 20k+ hours. Same as a guy who spent 5$ and a guy who spent 100k. On top of that , the high amount of prizepool is a poisoned gift. Pro players will just ensure their slot for TI and try to win then retire. Look at OG after they won 2 TI. They became the richest guys in esport industry. It is good for the player but bad for valve . Plus it promotes unsortsmanship like matchfix ,bets... Whats really unfortunate is how they managed the pro scene . We've got a lot of legendary superstars. And valve just let them retired. They are one of the reason why people are watching pro games. Not having D2 tournaments is not helping in order to promote or to find new pro players.

[@thebeautifulandthedamned572]

"Battlepass is such christmas that we as player always wait for, to comeback into dota & spend our money" spoiler, IT IS NOT atleast judging from steamdb & steamcharts, there were NO ACTUAL INCREASED on active player number during the early days/weeks of Battlepass release even the biggest ever BP, which was 2020 BP (the golden one) that literally HAPPENING DURING PANDEMIC, when we lock ourself at home, when we have nothing to do except playing this cursed game the numbers didnt even had a significant increase, not even a spike but when the new map design came around, when the facets & Crownfall Act II came, we suddenly got the spikes and more ironically, the average daily active player in 2023 is still bigger than the 2020, even tho again, there were pandemic, there were biggest BP we ever had. i'm sorry to ruin your expectation but sometimes, lifes works in a very mysterious way it is what it is, guys 🙃

[@manuelaranguri630]

this guy gets it

[@furbasherpa2598]

League is like an arcade game with moba spin off as they have combos and such. Dota is more strategic and moba in its purest form.

[@VIXDOTA]

NO WAY BLITZ INCLUDED MY YAP TO HIS VIDEO😭😭😭

[@francisjosephcutamora8530]

Hahaha I saw you Badi🤣🤣🤣

[@francisjosephcutamora8530]

Pag English kanunay Badi Aron ma apil

[@markmisa1617]

Nasaag imong rant diri badi. hahaha

[@Juswa6969]

HAHAHAHAHA 😅

[@dante-oz3rf]

BADI is alrdy popular helloo XD

[@ninazky9401]

nice and cozy grandma's house is too real of a statement.

[@mohsensadeghi2067]

Listen i uninstalled dota last week not because i was bored but because i needed some rest for mental health and shit, but ik goin back in a couple of weeks

[@AAA-xe3wj]

how would dota be more popular than league when dota is a literal nightmare for new players because of the amount of mechanics it has compared to LOL, league is literally so easy compared to dota of course most people would generally lean over league while dota is full of veteran players, popular doesnt really mean better game anyway, i'd rather play chess over checkers

[@hackedbyurmom2237]

i dont know it was pretty easy for me to get into and very enjoyable i really liked the challenge of being absolute shit and every kill felt so deserved and learning new items and combos was just cery rewarding and fun

[@qunas101]

That's a complete lie. Dota has a comprehensive tutorial teaching you everything from creep denying to projectile disjointing. League just throws you into a match

[@dissidius13]

League is harder by default because there are more bugs there not shown in the tutorials and skins spiking the fps or even breaking the game. Dota is only hard for beginners if you don't do the tutorial. The tutorial is so comprehensive that you only need to master your chosen hero and get used to other heroes to be better at the game. TL;DR LoL is sphagetti code and will bite you in the butt one way or the othwr

[@xana968]

Both game are good on their own way, its just the player are just insecure

[@Kosmos-yu1bi]

League has always been easier than dota but it hasnt always been this much more popular than dota. In reality riot has better marketing, thats the main reason. There is never a point were dota comes up in mainstream conversation/meme culture. Also i think the bigger issue with dota is that it is horribly toxic, not only is it overwhelming to be a new player ur also gonna get spam reported and flamed for playing poorley. Dota 2 has the most toxic community out of any game i have played.

[@mahbod3574]

Honestly this is true but I still like playing some dota with my friends wether we win or lose but its sad watching your favourite game fall off😢

[@Dazen101]

Nah, you can't gaslight me into missing the old battle pass

[@enkelito1]

because we all over 30 and getting old

[@gabriel2404ful]

@@Tullex2Don't try to act dumb bro, we all love dota, but just search for a match in both games and you will see. I'm pretty sure at least 6 out of the 10 players in a dota match are going to be +25 year olds, while LoL has a bunch of teenagers playing it, with Arcane increasing it even more.

[@woosh_mk5160]

I don't think I've ever met another person as young as me playing dota at least that I know of (I'm 14)

[@marcosdanielcuellarvedia2587]

i wish i had a friend to play dota with (im 15 lol)

[@Sweetxyayo]

​@woosh_mk5160 You're not the only one... (I'm 14)

[@lxstful.daemon]

my child hood is dota i really miss the old days playing in computer cafes to bet for some cash ( im 17 yrs old )

[@neo-physics]

Yeah well, tik tac toe is more popular than chess. Doesn't mean it's better.

[@KidTrigger]

Chess is way more popular than tic tax toe where tf you live 😂😂

[@Lastofhiskind-00]

​@@KidTrigger real

[@dj_vanx]

@@KidTrigger welcome back legend

[@EdxSarxNatxChoc]

There's no e-sports about it unlike with the chess competitions. What are u on about, fam?

[@kntfhvn]

@@KidTrigger I think he's trying to say "more popular game doesn't equal better game"

[@m136dalie]

Honestly I disagree with the importance you put on the battle pass. New players don't start playing a game because of that. Dota has been suffering because there hasn't been an influx of new players to make up for the old ones who stopped playing (me). There are other issues, including how complex the game is. It has one of the steepest learning curve's and while that's fantastic and one of my favourite parts of the game, it is a massive barrier to playerbase growth.

[@Gargeler]

Also the availability of Games through Phones.

[@mrkamurai11]

I watched Arcane in Netflix and it was so good. Then I played Dota 2 after..

[@krzysztofputerko1943]

I would say that dota also had much harder time appealing to younger audiences. Riot has been updating league in a way that speeds up the game to appeal to teenagers and kids who cannot focus for more than half a minute for years now. Over time all of the abilities cooldowns has decreased, the average game time has decreased, eveyr new hero released has much mroe mobility than the older ones. Generally the game is faster. Dota 2 is still very loyal to the theme that dota all stars had. Very macro heavy game where good calls matter much more than micro skills. And because of that I love dota 2 and basically stopped playing league. However I can see how younger audiences may not like it.

[@SeaHorseOfYoutube]

Valve has infinite steam money so now games are just their passion projects, once they burn out they just move on to other things, unlike Riot which needs to keep marketing and updating League to stay afloat. After 2016, with games like Overwatch coming out it was over for Mobas, never saw anyone else playing Dota again. League was also trending downward in popularity but they got a lot of new players with good marketing like KDA songs, cosplayable skins and Arcane.

[@SeaHorseOfYoutube]

Current Dota 2 looks like a niche old man game now, 2012 Dota was daring in how it embraced the toxicity and grassroots nature of the game into its aesthetics, with cool and fucked up characters cursing and roasting each other be enemies or teammates... but time moved on and Dota just never even attempted to adapt to what's cool or trendy now, only with an Arcana every now and then, while League completely overhauled the game and most champions visually and started releasing spinoff universes like KDA to spread their reach.

[@lucratyo2285]

@@SeaHorseOfKZbin better watch than play (dota2) just look pro player age is so sad

[@citizen4610]

@SeaHorseOfKZbin if what's cool and trendy nowadays is DEI slop, then I want none of that in dota

[@remorselesswinter4214]

xD The level of cope you guys are projecting is actually just denying reality. ,,Oh yeah, valve just left dota because they were bored, and they have infinite money so they dont have to care'' Valve is valued at 13 Billion dollars. Which is a lot, sure, more than the 4 Billions of Riot games. But, there's this funny thing, you know, Riot is owned by Tencent, a chinese demigod megacompany with a net worth of uhhh... ah yes half a trillion US dollars. THEY have infinite money. Also, you act like Valve did nothing to help Dota and they just let it die. That's also not true. They made Dragons Blood, they actually tried to keep dota afloat as well, it just didn't work. And when it didn't work, they gave up. They abandoned ship, not because they ,,burned out'', because they literally tried to save it and they couldn't. THAT's the difference between Riot and Valve. Riot pulled their game out of the moba depression, valve did not. Oh and another thing, you saying that Riot has to update League to stay afloat because they have nothing else is actually insane to say. They beat Valve in mobas, they now contest their ,,golden son'' CS through valorant, and they're making a MMO. Valve is just a worse, less passionate game studio, straight up. Stop playing valve apologists.

[@SeaHorseOfYoutube]

@@citizen4610 My point in question, we're even talking like old people now lol. And no I'm not talking about gay shit, I'm talking about League's music videos, popular new characters and spinoffs/crossovers, meanwhile dota 2 gets a generic bird with a sword, Valve completely gave up on getting new players.

[@dissidius13]

Valve doesn't need to pay advertisements for theur games while Rito spends like 80% of their budget on advertisements. Dota 2 is fine with the players right now and would last longer than LoL. They're playing the long game. That's just how Valve works.

[@interesting5515]

I'd say valorant and arcane is the one getting advertisement not league itself. Also, both games are going down hill specially dota 2

[@benito9830]

the problem i see about dota 2's stagnating growth is that newer and younger audience don't want to spend 300 hrs just to know the basic mechanics of dota 2 while in lol you become decent in 300 hrs in dota it takes about 1500 hrs just to be decent at the game.

[@sterlingering947]

League is where new players in the MOBA category are welcome. Dota 2 however, is not beginner-friendly and it's no place for idiots.

[@1SAK54]

League of legends is about micro, when Dota is about macro. So, it's easier to play in lol

[@SeaHorseOfYoutube]

This is like the perfect simplification, it do be like that. But Valve also gave up on promoting the game or competing against League for new players.

[@bovineavenger734]

@@SeaHorseOfKZbin Riot has also given up on League, it's cashing out with $500 skins

[@Arkantos1900]

Lmao this is such a over simplification. I played on GM in League and I can say both games are hard. Any non ranked immortal will be stuck in d4 for a long time

[@creiximonkey]

​@@Arkantos1900 It is very much the same as comparing pc to consoles, one has a lot of variables that can and will change per person, and the other will always have the most even of a playground. So the real question being, is a game or in the case of my example the platform easier, because there are lots of complex systems to learn and never quite master, or mechanics being easy to pick ip and actually masterable. One presents the question in a way where if i know more and better than you i will most likely always win (or have better hardware), and the other more about facing your opponents without extra friction from the game.

[@bovineavenger734]

@@Arkantos1900 Pro players have jumped from DOTA to League easy, but we haven't seen the opposite happen, it's like comparing Counter Strike to PVP Minecraft.

[@LonelyWhiteDude]

League is like the new kid on the block, while dota is the old refind gentleman whom lived on that block for a long time Whiles league of legends has a huge following, most of them are kids, whiles some of the people i play on dota are already in at the age were they have kids of there own who playes league.

[@iCr1t]

Riot is the company that will continue to press on and valve is nice and cozy grandma's house - a great metaphor for "those who pursue greatness vs those who are already great and content"

[@tranquero]

Sure there are less players... but Reddit is not representative of the community. It's just full of crybabies, I don't count their opinion on any topic. I mean, they removed FOMO and you only get the reddit Stockholm syndrome users complaining. Higher Popularity does not mean a better game (I'm not saying in comparison with LOL, just saying that higher numbers does not mean the quality of the game is better) The later updates have being a GREAT addition (Facets/Passives/New Map) The new battlepass is way better. The number of people playing is still huge. I don't care about "spinoff" games or media... It's great when you have a hit, but it can only maybe get new players to try it for a while, but will change nothing on wether they like the game or not. I'm just talking about dota changes. I don't play LOL but it's good to see others still enjoying it!

[@m7trf07]

To put it simply. Valve management did not care enough.......... They try just not enough. They were the greatest to the point they changed the whole game industry with the battlepass

[@PiongTV]

I LOVE MY GRANDMA

[@fellthekerl]

“The burning fire they once had get smaller and smaller as time goes on” This is the part that hurts the most :( realizing that the passion and excitement that kept me coming back to the game year after year has been slowly dying and is now a shell of its former self. Even if the crownfall update is awesome and a really neat change of pace the gameplay updates are coming less and less frequently and it just seems like they no longer care to continue to push the game towards a unique and bright future 😔

[@Silverhand404]

I am sorry, no. I play dota all year now when I only overdidso around the battlepass before. Crownfall has been amazing, the battlepass was just fomo and I am glad it is buried. I hope the entire industry follows through.

[@پرهامظهیری-ت3و]

The truth is that the both riot and Valve just dont care about their games anymore. Valve doest invest neither money or time on dota cause it doesn't generate enough money and riot is turning into money Hungary corporation who'd ruin the game over it and its so stupid that the communities fight after all these years

[@sabnock31]

The thing is, Riot spend A LOT of money on advertisement while Valve have close to none at all while still holding 2nd place. That is saying something.

[@dbtayam7647]

Wasn't valve spending money on dragon's blood too? Lets be honest though valve ain't getting considerable new players now. They even recognize it by investing more on deadlock development instead

[@sabnock31]

@dbtayam7647 Dragon's bBlood and..? Compared to Riot its pennies. Dota doesn't get many new players because of lack of advertisement and high skill floor. And Valve started expanding on Deadlovk because Dota is self sustainable game that requires minimum maintenance.

[@120rikeshlawoju8]

Well by pure statistics MLBB is overtaking Dota as #2

[@kerwintabasa3207]

Dota is the Roman empire of gaming

[@miniscorpion5925]

It’s not. It’s a complex game with its maximally stable audience. Players will never leave Dota, but they will easily leave LoL

[@WkRSS]

point is valve is making money from lot of different sources and in riot case leauge is the money maker for them so they care more for it

[@cansur117]

because forsen stopped playing it imRight

[@orangeman3434]

Dota 2 will always be one of the best online games ever created, in terms of quality, cretivity, and innovation. That's enough for me.

[@hollyjarvis1131]

I like grandma's house. I like the times I've spent there. I like the community there. I like the smells. I like the fact that I brought my then-girlfriend there when we met, my wife there with me when we got married, and there again soon when we reveal the baby bump. Sure I'm appreciating it more now that I'm older, but while she's here, I'm going to relish every second I have with her, because a tiny little part of me is scared that she's not going to last forever. And though the house has shrunk a bit, the fire a little less bright than in my youth, I'm still going to invite as many people as I can to her place, because though it may not be fancy, I really do love grandma's place.

[@drecools]

They should just bring back the battlepass there nothing wrong with saying "sorry, we we're wrong, let's bring back the battle pass for you guys"! dota playtime go stonks

[@olivercroft5263]

Every second video of yours is shit talking the game you play the most i dont get it

[@timurrte5694]

"LoL taken over the entire world" Eastern Europe servers standing in the corner... Just standing there with 0 players. LoL might the most popular in the world, but it will never be even worthwhile of playing in Eastern Europe.

[@120rikeshlawoju8]

Similar to Korea and Dota

[@mohammadtavasoli2100]

Dota is truly the cozy grandma's house...❤️💔

[@shatadroodutta9884]

Seriously, back when I was in high school, I used to save up for months to buy levels and it felt good, even on my potato pc. Now that I have a good gaming setup and can play the game at max settings I don't have ANY NEW ITEMS TO BUY COZ VALVE WONT LET ME. sad

[@linuxblacksarena]

Dota 2 and League is like Letterman and Leno. Leno has better ratings, but Letterman has better shows.

[@KenKelvinN]

It's crazy that you didn`t mentioned Deadlock

[@void-ue8xi]

Dota frogs gonna hate this

[@GurneroMaelstrom]

Nah we don't give af. Dota is still the superior game, quality not quantity. Even if it dies

[@parham1023]

​@GurneroMaelstrom lol...both of them suck

[@adorableweiner1099]

ye in my opinion Lol always was 10 times more hyped so I dont give a fuck

[@mahbod3574]

Bruh​@@GurneroMaelstrom

[@bullymaguire6773]

LoL has always been more popular because it's easier to get into than Dota. We already know that since the beginning of time, we just don't care.

[@marvcollins7842]

Really took balls to make this one, knowing the Dota 2 community

[@meapobr]

the battlepass was cool, but too expensive, specially depending on the country you are in, and the ppl that got the most of it, were players and orgs. The majority didn't even buy it, or bought lvls but not being enough for the bigger fishes in there. Dota now is for EVERYONE and i think is much better now. But IMO, they could hire 10, 15 ppl more to focus on the cosmetics and make both. Dota is a huge game, valve has to do more and has the means for it, but they need to be willing to do it

[@G1zU]

I like dota now more than before without big fomo every battle pass.

[@Mekutoooon]

as much as I love playing Dota 2, this game has becoming the one that is left with full of memories, I kept playing it as if its one of my routine, opening it thinking of playing atleast 1 game but not able to, I switch my main game to monster hunter as I kept looking for games to play and spend my time as much as I spend in Dota 2 (21k hours), I might just require friends to play the game or I am just tired.

[@xana968]

2 Videos in span of a week, i must be dreamin

[@KPD_KPD]

2017-2019 Dota will always have a special place in my heart, man. Those were the times when Valve still cared about the game 💔

[@bored78612]

The last patch before 7.00 was so good I wish we could go back to those times. Wings made dota look so beautiful.

[@jrbudoybudoy]

This is how R6 feels like compared to Valorant and CS. R6 is like Dota 2 in a sense that the gadget and operator synergies are superb and both require you to have insane amount of knowledge to rise up against the competition. Both are knowledge checks that have a high skill floor but very rewarding when you get good in the game.

[@noii1524]

It's quite simple actually, most of dota's player base in it's prime was guys over 20 who came from first dota, we're all older now and have things to do besides playing dota every day. League is just much more appealing to the younger generation than Dota is in it's current state.

[@alfredolauzurica4557]

As someone that has played both games i feel like dota has a far more interesting item system than league, that being said, the complexity in the kit of most league champs makes dota heroes feel like they're lacking something or they dont completely fulfill the fantasy they try to display, also league is more micro intense than dota and dont even get me started on how jungle works in league

[@agusaris5031]

That last line hit hard, Dota is like home for sure

[@grim6196]

The moment team OG got the back to back aegis which every pro dota player or champions is aiming for, the magic is gone, most of us root for a 3peat for OG but it didn't happen and after that i stop watching TI, i guess most of the community grow together with the game were all adults now and busy with our own lives, ti for us is an event once a year we came back to watch every year and back to our regular days after the event.

[@zedetach]

Dota's learning curve is just way too high and until valve figures out how to solve that the game will never return to its previous highs.

[@dzdomenic]

I really don't understand why Valve decided to focus less on Dota. The battlepass made millions for them, and TI was the biggest Esports event in the world.

[@bpante5765]

Dota 2 is still the best game ever made…. Not dead at all with 500k+ daily players, theres just no more hype around ti and compendium

[@chonsawataewame225]

They have made it clear long ago that even they share the same essence of moba but they are completely two different game and yet here we are arguing on which one is better 🎉🎉😮

[@lazylonewolf]

Dota and ex-LoL player here. I only play unranked. My friends were all Dota 1 players back in high school. We played a lot of LoL, but got bored eventually, and before that we gradually started playing ARAM only. My other reason for not coming back to LoL is their issue with videogamedunkey. A couple of years later, we play Dota 2. Eventually _they_ dropped it or found too "toxic", but tbh it's that one friend who can't control their emotions even if we were only playing unranked. Yes, of _course_ he was a midlaner. Dota 2 is still fun for me, I like the slower and more strategic gameplay for sure. I disliked some of the skills becoming skillshots in LoL, and that's one reason I dropped it.

[@OneWayTwoBrazil]

The moba genre continually fumbles seasonal updates to the extent that it’s genuinely shocking to hear that these games had revolutionary update schedules back in the day.

[@Realsupergingerman]

Only people that still play Dota 2 are the veteran. This game is not beginner friendly. New player will go 0/20 in game and its even more painful to play it because the game length is around 40-50 min per match. Unless you in full squad you are not gonna have fun when you are against a smurf and stomp you in lane and you gonna get stomp for 40 min while they slowly farm till lv30 then they end the game.

[@asapmoa7598]

The focused gameplay is what excites me and takes me away from real life

[@Rikoshet53]

You came up with this cleverly. I didn't even get it at first.

[@Quintillious]

As a person who plays a huge amount of both i can honestly say this. League players can have really good hands and control their characters really well but at the same time have zero map awareness and idea about team play. I have found dota players are more intelligent when it comes to core game knowledge, teamplay and map play but man they are awful at controlling their characters. Two different ganes suited for different kinds of people, dota 2 is a more cerebral game and league of legends rewards dexterity, speed and accuracy

[@Iskolya.]

Having low income of new players is the curse of valve games. Talking from my experience with cs and tf2

[@interesting5515]

The Dotafrogs's copium in this post is insane

[@marcussalazar6122]

In my experience, LoL is just easier and more less toxic when it comes to playtime. Its faster and you can snowball the game to end in under 15 mins. While in DOTA a standard game is over 30-40 mins and mistakes are forgiving, you can still make a comeback with farms and you can have as long as a full 5 mins of team clash, while in LoL 2 mins team clash is already considered lol. TLDR LoL is just faster and easier where you can play a good 3-5 games a day where in Dota even 1 game can be mentally taxing.

[@rafaelperalta1676]

Wish they have kept the battle pass while introducing new things like the Crownfall event. I haven't bought a single BP since I started playing, but tbh, I still celebrate when it's that time of the year since it means that TI is near. It was producing not only hype but also hope to our community.

[@nemethlaszlo595]

I personally think, Dota's all time high was between 2017 and 2020. After the epic failure of organizing TI10 (despite the epic quality of games) it was all downhill

[@Slateproc]

The thing about valve is that they're making ao much more money from steam/hardware that they're putting most, if not all, of their resources into that part of the company. They're still obscenely small for how much they manage and with the company structured as it is there's more incentives to working on deckard or the steam store than there is for dota or counter strike

[@whirlybird268]

it's really sad that the only defense mechanisms these dota players have to those who quit the game. "gOoD bYe LoW iQ, gOoDbYe hErALd, gOoD riDdAnCe" ya'll so offended of people making choices like leaving the game. Just proving this videos point. Dota is cooked. It took the facet system to get over my addiction. Dota is no longer that Game I fell in love with during 2011.

[@mejfuz]

What is this? Blitz's video ending on a sentimental, subjectively positive note ?!??? WHAT D'FUQUÈ IS GOING ON

[@thepublisher8651]

Let’s be honest, there’s no way dota could thrive on an era with skibbidy toilet, sigma, rizz, aura, fanum tax, hawk tuah,

[@Mr_Fr34ky]

Dota went for quality and convenience, but sadly, it wasn't enough. Despite on paper a game that should be better than League, it's gameplay is just too hard and difficult to get into compared to League.

[@bjnazerigaming8302]

50-60min per game, ranked 70min sometime

[@Mr_Fr34ky]

@bjnazerigaming8302 "Da, this is game for real men davai 💯"

[@bjnazerigaming8302]

@@Mr_Fr34ky that why new kids stop play dota after 3,4 match

[@GaidenDS10]

@@Mr_Fr34ky Dota 2 would be comparable to Tekken if it still can succeed which may sadly not. League is like Street Fighter at this point.

[@raunakpal9738]

Been watching this guy's stuff on and off for many years now but this one really hit different.

[@DualityGG]

i play both dota at immortal level and league at diamond/master. after playing for 13+ years all i can say is MOBA sucks now compared to before. I think the new genre of players after 2018 take the game too seriously which ruins the ranked/pro and casual experience.

[@yurivxz]

If I were to go back 5 years ago I would do it all over again because this game geniunely is the most fun ive had.

[@danieltchernov7745]

Dota is a more complicated game with more skill expression. If it was a better/more fun game though. It would be more popular.

[@flynndota1179]

I liked the changes to dota2 recently but after playing more it seems to fast paced. Like everyone is getting 11 minutes 5k gold item plus small items and within another 5 mins another 5k gold. They need to scale the gold and levels back about 5-10% atleast. A huge part of dota was about controlling the map and resources and now it feels like there not a good way to stop anyone from getting gold. Perhaps im noob but thats how i feel

[@xazarl3381]

Yo Blitz you should do a video with side by side gameplay of 2 lanes since people like to say things about both games when there nothing alike even though there the same genre.

[@locko5895]

Something I really appreciate about dota that other popular games don't have Are the relatively low cosmetics prices in comparison to League or Fortnite Idk or care if it's a valid point but being able to buy cool skins with less than 10 bucks is something I wish they never change (also no shitty locked chars lol)

[@Kosmos-yu1bi]

The amount of copium is the comments saying lol is more popular because its easier. Lol has always been easier but its never been this far ahead of dota. Face it vavle doesn't care, the last 3 TIs have been underwhelming due to bad metas and low prize pools. And vavle does not care about branching out into the mainstream and they dont promote the game. the main thing that prevents new players from playing this game is not that the game is hard, its because it has the most toxic gatekeeping community i have ever experienced. There are plenty of hard games that are massivly mainstream, example being Chess, ppl can play hard games. But the reality is that toxicity is normalized and when ur a new player ur gonna get flamed and reported constantly, and valve doesnt care. Theres a reason Grubby quit and yall cant accept it.

[@ayaalnovgorodov8619]

0 arcanas during crownfall, refreshed it billion times

[@aldrinfermalino9096]

I hope Valve will put the Battle pass back... not for the cosmetics but for the prizepool of the pro players...

[@davinathaniel7161]

Lol may be more popular, but it's due to the fact that they appealed to the gay and female side, you can see that by the skins they release, characters and lore all super woke. If that means Dota is less popular I'll take it

[@levisamom5069]

Lol copium

[@Lastofhiskind-00]

Real

[@Frightnoodle]

I'm not playing either currently but whenever I get a couple friends together it's DotA we jump on.

[@hellothere9167]

One thing's for sure, dota community will never stop bitching

[@trileminh4585]

dota 2 is a complex game, lol is a simple game. I said all of the above does not mean dota 2 is more difficult, when I go online I see the dota 2 community always thinks their game is more difficult and better than lol but for me no game is better than any other game. And you know a simple game will attract more players than a complex game.

[@czKyoutube]

because league is baby dota for baby brains, and the truth is the bell curve is real and 98% of the population has baby brains so they prefer league

[@mamadthenoob]

This video hurts because its true I absolutely enjoyed artifact, but battle pass was something else it was beyond a game it made our friend group wherever we were back together, those was the only time I felt warmth in my heart

[@adorableweiner1099]

wasnt LoL always 10 times more popular?

[@beaub152]

No their statistics are measured different (monthly users vs concurrent users) which means if you have 10 accounts they all count. I know someone who has a little under 15 accounts and yes he uses them and yes he is a loser

[@abogmus8904]

not at Dota 2 release, but quickly after and onwards yes

[@ghoziakbar6410]

I feel like around 2017-2018 is when League really gain huge leap and crossing dota's popularity with lot of rework, increasing QoL, and expanding their IP through other form of medium like music with their Pentakill, KDA, and other stuff

[@SeaHorseOfYoutube]

Believe it or not but from 2011 to 2013 Dota 2 was seen as the trendy game to play, not just for moba players but gaming in general, while League was struggling to retain its playerbase. But after 2014 it was over, Valve stopped giving a fuck about games, League started overhauling their visuals, promoting the game (valve barely released any videos) and people also moved onto newer games like Overwatch.

[@adorableweiner1099]

@@SeaHorseOfKZbin didnt really realizied it, playing Dota since 2024 for 15k hours now xD

[@mugamiaqxolmeogond9383]

main problem of dota is Valve and also the fact that it isnt newbie welcome game, like i cant imagine how bad it would be for a new player to get into the game

[@volodymyr_budii]

Dunno - it was quite easy for me when I started it in the end of this spring with little outside help. Though, to be fair, I was playing mostly RTS games before and unlike most of my 19 y.o kins, I have good attention span and stuff.

[@mugamiaqxolmeogond9383]

@volodymyr_budii tutorial is 3 hours and there is a lot of mechanics in the game when i started there wasnt that many of stuff so i am concerned how can you learn all of these things