NEW SERIES: Professor Dale Martin talks about the Gospels

[@farqluekytani1324]

This is by far the best treatment of the Gospels that I've seen on KZbin yet. I just "discovered" Professor Dale Martin for myself recently and have been binge watching videos of him over the past few days. Dale Martin is a treasure! I'm so glad I found your channel, Paul. Thank you!

[@leef_me8112]

>This is by far the best treatment of the Gospels I watched another video with Dale Martin saying we can't trust the gospels, because of other texts.

[@farqluekytani1324]

@@leef_me8112 If by "can't trust" you mean as historical accounts, that's true. The Gospel texts should not be understood ("trusted") as providing historical accounts.

[@venomh4655]

I have watched over 10 of your videos in two days. Absolutely brilliant, high quality intelligent work and conversations. Thankyou, you sir are a wise and courageous man.

[@BloggingTheology]

❤️

[@obaidashafai1797]

If you don’t have time to watch the whole in depth intellectual discussion then I urge you to go to 55:50 and listen to the clever question asked by Paul which I have never heard been asked in the same context before and listen to the answer. Looking forward to the next episode

[@NadDew]

thank you! I really have an attention span of the house fly, I can't focus for more than 20 minutes maximum. thank you again.

[@peaceinjesus5221]

At 55:50 Paul asked 'why did the 'church' retain the gospel of Mark when it has things missing....the other gospels 'upgraded the story'? I think what this actually shows is that the idea that there is copying from Mark and developing further is in fact, false! What Paul's question inadvertently reveals here, is that it is illogical to "upgrade" or "develop", but continue to "run the old outdated software"! When software is upgraded the old is removed! The point is that "if" it was the case that Mark was simply "a prototype" to be developed further as per a popular academic narrative, Mark would not have been kept in the canon, but deemed to be superseded by "better quality gospels"! The idea behind the "development narrative" is that the gospel writers were cunningly making more and more of the story of Jesus and making Jesus more and more important and divine! And what this means is that if that were ACTUALLY true, then Mark would have been removed, going by this same logic! However, Mark's gospel also makes Jesus divine, and this is often overlooked by critics, eager to push the 'evolutionary development idea'! ...and this is consistent with the fact that a great deal of material that is in Matthew and Luke, is absent from Mark, not because it was "developed", but because the gospel writers were not copying from Mark at all, but were using now unknown writings and testimonies of early Christians.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@peaceinjesus5221 Thanks. Excellent approach !

[@peaceinjesus5221]

​@@matthewpaulson6497 I didn't know that. Is there an agenda going on here? Anyway he was involved in a debate with Mike Licona and I found this page: winteryknight.com/2012/10/29/michael-licona-debates-dale-martin-on-the-divinity-of-jesus/

[@AbrarKhan-hz2mm]

The so called 'Clever' question asked by Paul has a backdrop of 1 hour or at least last 30mins of the conversation, if you are dumb enough not to care for it then go ahead and jump straight to whatever time is being suggested but if you are a man (or person..for the woke brigade) of intellect and integraty who cares more for the truth than contextless spicy sound bytes then 00:01 is the correct place to start.

[@nassar2156]

Your work will effect millions one day brother Paul!

[@BloggingTheology]

God willing.

[@nassar2156]

Indeed, inshaAllah ❤️

[@peaceinjesus5221]

well Christians are learning from his approach with every video, where it is misleading, where there are errors, where there is 'fudging', the selective tactics he uses, etc. This does help us to make refutations of these things.

[@nassar2156]

@@peaceinjesus5221 excellent

[@bbccnn8836]

@@nassar2156 well I also believe Muslims are learning... And in future this kind of scrutiny would be there for quran... and what would be the outcome of such scrutiny of quranic text. ... 😇😇 Sunni haddis has now received fatal blows.... In terms of its reliability... Questioning Muslims methodology of preservation and transmission of text and it's style... 🧐 When Quran will be put in the same lens that time would be🤯🤕🤒🥴

[@onlyinaustraliago1604]

Thanks for having not too many of adds in this informative clip. Its so nice to watch through such great logs without interruption.

[@agerestrictions4117]

😆😆😆

[@kaifyusufzai8622]

How are you?

[@ahmd5]

You can easily overcome that by skipping all the way to the end then hitting the replay button. It will play advertisment free

[@bstring3967]

@@ahmd5 yo is that for real? That is a genius legend tip ima try it now

[@bstring3967]

@@ahmd5 I tried and got an ad two minutes later lol

[@JerusnamWien85]

It seems like only yesterday you'd started this channel and now you have 50,000 subscribers, have interviewed top notch scholars, and had dinner with a prince! Great work, mate! 👍

[@BloggingTheology]

👍❤️

[@europg81]

MashaAllah Paul, may Allah keep you safe and reward you, your style of engaging your guest is brilliant and honorable. Always trying to get on point without disrespecting your scholar guests. Professor Martin seems more engaging and less frustrated as the previous time. Excellent work.

[@housse51]

Great talk really from prof. Dale.. Thank you so much for this great interview.. im benefiting immensely.. jazakallah brother paul.. May Allah give hidaya to all of us, especially to prof dale.

[@housse51]

@@matthewpaulson6497 prof. dale b martin is a bible scholar.. he is talking about bible in this video, not homosexuality.

[@jamesupton4996]

Fascinating discussion of Mark's Gospel. Again Professor Martin is very clear, and eruditely brings the New Testament background to life. On the final part of the discussion, about the more primitive or Low Christology of Mark, I'm reminded of Professor Allisson's discussion on the channel previously. He remarked that it is not so easy to determine the beliefs of the early Christians in terms of high and low Christologies from the Gospel writings. Paul has a high Christology, and is the earliest of the New Testament writers. So when Professor Martin leaves it at : Mark believes that Jesus is 'somehow' divine, I think there is room for further elucidation. Professor Allison's distinction between: knowing what the text of Marks says, not being the same as knowing what the author thought, is something that might be considered here. That although Mark may present a Low Christology, it is not necessarily the case that that gives the full picture of Christian belief for him or his community. Ideas about Jesus could well have been circulating, and held, whilst not fully emphasised in Mark's text.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

I agree with you. Thanks

[@mqandil]

Really interesting discussion. I have learnt few new things about Mark’s gospel and also have now new prospective about the various gospels. Well done and can’t wait to hear the discussion about the gospel of Matthew

[@asaduzzamanasad3766]

Thanks brother Paul and Dale

[@Stonefalconetti]

This guy is mind-blowing...... A different perspective of the Bible and yet another and yet another... And good choice of words. Like this interview could actually be made into a *book* ! (And i would buy it!)

[@BloggingTheology]

One day hopefully it will!

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Hey Morgan... I agree with you. Does this scholar have any books?

[@ankidu82]

what a brilliant discussion, that was a pleasure to listen to. Loving the work that you are putting out Paul may Allah bless you for your efforts, you are creating a great platform that gives the space to others to express their theological position. Thank you both for a cordial discussion.

[@BloggingTheology]

Much appreciated

[@justarshad8354]

*he is very honest and sincere in his speech.very similar to bart ehrman.they both are straight-to-facts people* 🙏 No bias or defend any fiction beliefs.just put it on the table like it must be put.dont play with the innocent emotions,let them decide on their own.very well appreciate this talk.amazing content as always paul ✅✅✅

[@justarshad8354]

@@trinitymatrix9719 whatever.you dont believe in allah and quran why are you complaining?stick to your man made corrupted books.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@justarshad8354 Hello and greetings from Florida. I've never read the Quran so I can't judge what it says. However I don't see the New Testament with Jesus' wonderful teachings as "man made corrupted books." Is that what you refer to? I respect believers in Islam but I wish Muslims would show a little more respect for the New Testament books. Nit trying to insult you or Islam. PEACE

[@justarshad8354]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 i agree with some real jesus teachings are still in it but most of them we can clearly see its fabricated or just put in to uplift jesus status..everything i said is not my own bias opinion.its well known by all the highest graduated scholars.

[@justarshad8354]

@Iyas kelu you dont like the sharia laws as youre against islam teachings.ask any honest woman they will right away agree with the marriage concept.and whats wrong about the virgins?its a reward for those who remain sincere in their whole life.so we muslims doesnt see anything bad about motivation for a man to remain faithfull to their wifes.btw you follow paul that abolish all the laws not what jesus told you to do.so youre not in a good position to talk about islam laws or teachings.

[@bbccnn8836]

@@justarshad8354 holes in the narrative is also one such thing unique to Islamic text even though Allah claims to preserve it😉

[@aaronlogan_music]

Great interview. I really enjoy Dale Martin's lectures, so this was nice to hear also.

[@robinstevenson6690]

Great guest! Bring him back often.

[@chrisbrown3278]

2024 I so admire Dale Martin and his truth . Having just seen that he has died I am so saddened such a loss to humanity and a great soul now in heaven .

[@Ayusisi]

Thank you for inviting biblical scholar Dale Martin to talk about the gospel, Mr. Paul 😊

[@emilgasperoni7222]

Wow! Loved it in its clarity and simplicity. Thank you so much Paul!

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad it was helpful!

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Hello emil.... I agree with you.

[@stevenv6463]

I appreciate your ability to pick your guests' brains. You ask a lot of questions that occur to me and a lot of questions I wish occurred to me. Interesting discussion. Maybe I have asked before but it would be great if you could interview a western secular academic about the hadith literature.

[@WelcomeToTheRezvolution]

This was interesting. I am looking forward to the next one. To both of you, this is a great watch. God willing, I'll buy that book at the end of the month.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Hey Paul... I am with you. You said: "I find this totally confusing." Then you said ( referring to Jesus conversation on Emmaus Road ): "Didn't you understand that all these things, the suffering, the death. etc. had to happen as it was foretold in the Scriptures." Wow... I had never observed this seeming lack of correlation between Jesus' words ( on the Emmaus Road ) and Peter's "rebuke" of Jesus regarding His death ( as the "Messiah" ). EXCELLENT. Thanks Paul for bringing that to my attention. PEACE

[@peaceinjesus5221]

John, have you read "Jesus and the Eyewitnesses", by the scholar Richard Bauckham, published by Eerdmans, 2006, ISBN 978-0-8028-6390-4 This book explains how the gospels were actually written and is now a classic and authoritative work on this subject. You can find an interesting introduction in this interview: www.christilling.de/articles/Tilling-Bauckham_Jesus_and_the_Eyewitnesses.pdf and you can read here it: lecturanarrativadelabiblia.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/jesus-and-the-eyewitnesses.pdf

[@peaceinjesus5221]

@@matthewpaulson6497 Thank you Matthew. Bauckham is a top scholar and has produced this classic work on how the gospels were actually written! What Bauckham points out is that the many names of people listed in the gospels were actually the eye witnesses of the accounts which they in the close Christian community of the time, related to the gospel writers. I think you will find the book fascinating as it does give good insight into the subject. It is written academically so you have to be prepared for that if reading it - but it is not too much - it is approachable, but needs patience to get through. But its well worth investing the time for anyone who is seriously interested in this subject! Those whose agenda is to rubbish the gospels will probably choose not to read it as it will contradict their assumptions!

[@aq7705]

Paul - start a series on James, The brother of JC.

[@mas586pr]

Watched till the end. Thank you so much Paul, I look forward to your discussion with Dale Martin about Gospel of Matthew. I live in Singapore and I know very little about Gospel or Bible. Asking my Christian friends to recommend me a bible to read was really a difficult task. What version they asked? What do you want to know? Or when I was asking about Old Testament, they simply said, we do not read Old Testament in our church. Another said that it doesn't matter what is in the bible, most importantly is to belief Jesus died for our sin. Through your channel I know a lot better, and it increases my belief in my religion Islam and book, Al-Quran. Alhamdulillah 😊

[@rashidaquil5284]

@@srnp0007 Bibles was written by fairies 🧚‍♂️ then

[@DawahTrucker2024]

Brother Paul salaam alaikum, your doing an excellent work bringing all these Christian scholars into your podcast. I suggest you should allow us your viewers vote on your suggestions of guests you want to invite. Definitely we want to see professor Bart Ehrman. Another beautiful live stream.

[@BloggingTheology]

thanks. Bart Ehrman was invited but he declined.

[@A13b100]

@@BloggingTheology did you invited William Lane Craig yet?

[@johnpetkos5686]

What a great scholar and teacher! He will be sorely missed! ♥

[@Chandransingham]

Thanks a lot. I like it. Good way of learning what is behind the Gospels. Great searching questions. Suffering leading to glory is sound. cf how a pregnant women suffers and delivers a baby in the end to her delight and others. N T Wright's new book on Paul - A Biography recognised the level of Greek language in Saul/Paul. Looking forward to conversation on Matthew. Matthew was my GCE O level R K syllabus in 1960 exam. Keep up the good work. God bless.

[@Chandransingham]

Dale Martin's comments on Matthew will be interesting particularly Matthew 27/51-53 - Graves opening when Jesus died on the cross. The New Jerome Biblical Commentary (Geoffrey Chapman 2000) edited by Raymond E Brown et al has a full commentary incl Matt 27/51-53 by Benedict T Viviano from Jerusalem. it would be useful to hear Dale Martin's own comments to compare notes. It would be also good to check against John McArchur's commentary which Shabir Ally is fond of. Recently a EFDawah panel member was noted for saying negative remarks on Matthew 27/51-53.

[@triumphbobberbiker]

Professor Martin can read Greek, Latin, Aramaic Hebrew and, probably, other languages of the ancient Mediterranean world as well (such as Coptic). As someone who has been struggling on Greek and Latin for a few years in my youth, I cannot but admire him unreservedly!

[@Jbagggg]

Great upload - RIP Dr Dale Martin.

[@abdulmunim318]

For anyone who doesn't know. Professor Dale Martin is a very close friend of Professor Bart Ehrman.

[@letmetalk2240]

@Steven Ricketts Refute him.

[@amd1706]

@Steven Ricketts How is he a “xtianphobe” ? He doesn’t believe Christianity is true and he’s quoting well know scholars. He isn’t demonizing the Christian religion like what your Christian apologists are doing with Islam in order to drive people away from the truth.

[@housse51]

So interviewing scholars of new testaments, experts on new testament, is hate preaching. Steven doesn't even understand what "preach" means and certainly doesn't understand what hate really means.. And honestly we can see the double standard.. if paul is a hate preacher, how about jay smith, david wood, sam shamoun etc etc ?? Enmity preacher? We need a far worse word to describe them..

[@housse51]

@Steven Ricketts yes i do think that.. because its obvious

[@housse51]

@Steven Ricketts your blinded, and you think your seeing clearly.. Yes, you don't need to explain yourself.. we can see.

[@chromosomegun5845]

Get Dale on more!!!

[@edwardholmes6332]

Watched your Yale course several times .Thanks so much!

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

"How significant is it for an understanding of Jesus?" Paul.. .that is an excellent question pertaining to the significance of Aramaic language and Greek language. THANKS !

[@peterhetherington914]

The KZbin series of Dale Martins course on the New Testament is absolutely brilliant, very informative and entertaining. If you get the opportunity watch it, it’s fascinating.

[@equityjustice2695]

This is a brilliant be discussion. Keep sharing knowledge bro.paul MaShaAllah

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

Enjoyed the Discussion breaks in between the advertisements 😂🤣😂😁

[@BloggingTheology]

Sorry!

[@ahmd5]

You can easily overcome that by skipping all the way to the end then hitting the replay button. It will play advertisment free

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

@@BloggingTheology No need to apologise Sir If possible reduce the advertisements May Allah SWT accept your efforts

[@ouijieee]

I don't think we should reduce the advertisements. Watching them will definitely help brother Paul. It will be our sign of thanks for the effort he puts in his wonderful videos.

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

@@ouijieee Yes akhi But the no. of ads in this video are a little too much I suppose Kinda distracting too with some ads showing Haram stuff Very Informative video nonetheless

[@bethbartlett5692]

I adore Dale Martin, PhD, a truly professional Academic/PhD. He is so well researched and speaks to the subject from the Higher Mind/Wisdom, not Ego Mind aka Lower Mind.

[@drumwaves1]

So glad I saw a comment on another channel recommending blogging theology. Best comment ever.. too bad it's not yours Paul.. love your channel!!!

[@emmashsu]

I could listen to Dr Martin all day…I sometimes do haha. Great stuff! 🙏✌️❤️👍

[@evanfreshman2450]

It's fascinating how Dr. Martin can hold two ideas, that he is a Nicene Christian by faith, but his proposed historical Jesus is so similar to the Islamic ʿĪsā with the main exception of accepting the crucifixion. Admirable scholarship.

[@besmirkocia1207]

And they say, "When we are bones and crumbled particles, will we [truly] be resurrected as a new creation?" Say, "Be you stones or iron. (17:49-50) Pyrite (or iron persulfide: FeS2), also known as "fool's gold," is a common mineral that is often found in sedimentary rock. In some fossil deposits pyrite gets incorporated into bone, invertebrate shell, and plant fossils during the process of fossilization

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Takbeer!!

[@leef_me8112]

0:15 Dale Martin was a world class expert on the gospels My dad would tell that joke anytime the word "expert" was used. Websters dictionary defines "X" as and unknown quantity and "spurt" as a drip under pressure.

[@mikehutton3937]

This is Really Good. Thank you Paul.

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@marigold9736]

Wow I find this discussions amazing, one day I was reading a book called jesus a prophet islam when I finished the book, I see jesus standing in front of me. The way Christians talk about Jesus's as if he's complicated confused big giant person but infact he was a straight forward person of wisdom with authority, medium tall curly brown hair brown eyes was wearing long robe Muslim men wear. Christian world would rather believe confused version of gospel rather than straight version of who jesus in Qur'an. Allah said in Qur'an we have to be purified on earth to go paradise. May Allah guide us with those whom you have guided and bless us with those whom you have blessed. 🙏🙏🙏

[@vayia5]

Thank you , so much I 😀

[@RajaBabu12174]

Next Guest: Bart Ehrman

[@mvagustav3654]

Yes

[@hassantarik6506]

BE was not interested..

[@montaser9985]

He rejected the invitation, unless Paul paid him.

[@naztvnaztv]

imagine in the afterlife, Muslim gets in trial, if Christians god is true(example), Muslim can always makes excuse that we really did worship God, BUT if Christian gets in trial, and Islam is true, will the Christians get to make excuses? can they say we worship God, when they worship Jesus PBUH

[@rashidaquil5284]

Excellent point

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Your comment is excellent and I hope in Afterlife I make no "excuses." I don't even think God will allow any of us to "make excuses." He will look within our hearts and souls to see if we understand God's love for us. I respect what you feel.

[@peaceinjesus5221]

Well friend, according to the Christian New Testament, Christians will not be brought to "trial". Only those who have rejected Christ will be brought to trial to be investigated by Christ, for their rejection of him. The reason for this is that Christ went to the trial for us and died on behalf of us, receiving the penalty of sin on our behalf. There is no need for anyone to go to trial, but those that have rejected the Christ of the Cross, have chosen to attempt to make their own defence in their coming trial! God help them! Christians are to be judged by a separate event in which they will be judged by their "works" to see if their works are worthy to be received as acceptable to the Lord! They themselves are however exempt from the trial of unbelievers and the sentence of eternal death.

[@HussainFahmy]

*_An academic approach to dissect and unpack the Gospels._* _It is not for Allah to take a son! Glory be to Him. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, “Be!” And it is! (The Clear Quran 19:35)_

[@kingnour7428]

May ALLAH bless and protect you Brother, and may ALLAH guide the non-Muslim to the truth .

[@fidelcatsro6948]

ameen

[@speakerscornerislamicdawah3947]

Salaam Paul. Can't wait to watch this one! How about inviting Dr Rowan Williams the ex arch bishop of Canterbury. I remember his caused a media storm by saying parts of the Sharia should be implemented in the UK!

[@BloggingTheology]

I already had a debate with him at Cambridge

[@peacesalaam816]

@@BloggingTheology how did it go?

[@peaceinjesus5221]

@@peacesalaam816 probably not too well by the absence of it!

[@hassanmirza2392]

@@BloggingTheology Please invite him to your channel. Also, can you post your debate with him?

[@craigfairweather3401]

With the author of ‘Luke ‘: not only did he demonstrate his skillls in a ‘bios’ and a history but recent linguistic/statistical analysis research suggests that the same author wrote a highly thematic ‘epistle’: ‘Hebrews’.

[@NG-ku7ie]

nice conversation..

[@jaanwafa7318]

Thanks brother Paul👌

[@mohamedaburahma2519]

25:12 pure gold

[@BloggingTheology]

totally

[@mabdewn]

The irony of this, Dale Martin is wearing a crucifix despite the discrepancies and issues with the creed portrayed in the NT. How can anyone believe in it, if it's so fundamentally flawed?

[@letmetalk2240]

Old habits die hard.

[@mabdewn]

@@letmetalk2240 but apparently they get resurrected on the third day

[@letmetalk2240]

@@mabdewn The Xtians claimed Jesus was resurrected on the 3rd day ... there were many eyewitnesses .. the problem is from which tomb? 1. The Garden Tomb or 2. The Church of Sepulchre.

[@mabdewn]

@@letmetalk2240 I know, but you completely ruined my joke :(

[@letmetalk2240]

@Steven Ricketts Same with your Bible .... many eyewitnesses claimed the Xtians BUT ONLY GOOD FOR READING. Where are their testimonies? NONE. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Who actually saw Jesus rose to heaven and sit at his father's side? 😊

[@U.W.Y.H.L.]

This is extremely important in highlighting the absurdity of that which people base their faith on, which are the opinions and conjecture of anonymous writers inserting, omitting and contradicting themselves with the ultimate audacity to insolently call it the word of god! 🙀🤷🏻🤦🏻‍♂️/👌✌️🤲☝️😇

[@michrohm]

@Steven Ricketts very different. He brought scripture with no contradiction for people to examine.

[@bbccnn8836]

@@michrohm talking about contradictions - satanic words? .... Let everyone do muda.... We don't have any contradictions.....

[@michrohm]

@@bbccnn8836 have you read any?

[@michrohm]

@@bbccnn8836 Christianity foundation is so weak. 100% God and 100% Man is absurd. Trying to make it work through analogy, triangle picture or anything else is muddled. Does not compute.

[@michrohm]

@Steven Ricketts there is no compulsion in religion. That's correct. But it has consequences in there after. Like anything with options all have consequences.

[@jonathon-x9p]

every interesting thank you

[@quame70]

Thanks

[@BloggingTheology]

Welcome

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

"But then, when Jesus immediately starts talking about the SUFFERING He's gonna have to endure, precisely because He is the messiah, Peter doesn't understand that." WOW !! After 2,000 years, do WE still not understand? Excellent discussion. I pray that God guides each of us. PEACE

[@TeachingBroadcast]

💓💓💓

[@jacklin231]

It's so surprised to listen the truth from a men whom live in a place full of falssifications in religions, this is a big courage and a huge understanding of the lies of the ancient founder of the christianity and why they did all these change in the Bibel thank you brother for your effort to spread the loss truth for many decades .🙋

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

What do you mean by "live in a place full of falsifications in religions"??

[@mumtazhussain9976]

Really informative really educational. Thank Allah for youtube cause mainstream media would not show this. Just a small detail, the Professor said disciples called him Christ. That is Greek

[@jokodolog757]

Nice one, time to take my snack and milk

[@allee3476]

Milk is for babies. Are you a baby? 😅

[@Outspoken.Humanist]

I have studied Christianity and Judaism for many years and I am now learning more about Islam. One thing they all have in common is a delight in criticising and finding fault with other religions whilst believing their own to be perfect and given by God. They have even split into factions in the same way and each mocks or even hates all the others.

[@michrohm]

@Paul Davis you correct on all points. The problem is if you believe that this universe has creator and you believe that life has purpose you need to find that creator and ask for guidance. Yes you have to use your intellect to sieve through those teaching from politics and power struggle. If you don't believe those two forget religion.

[@trinityispaganism989]

@@srnp0007 Says whose religion is 100% Pagan Fairy Tales ..Hinduism

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Hey Paul... I hope I'm not one who "mocks or even hates all the others." I try to show respect to believers of other religions, although I consider myself a "questioning Christian" ( if that makes any sense.) I get no "delight" in "finding fault" with other believers. I am here mostly to learn and listen. My sense of faith in God is not "perfect." If it was, I'd be living in Paradise already!! PEACE

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@srnp0007 I disagree with what you said. Although I dislike the word "religion," I think God has indeed given us the ability to seek Him for guidance.

[@letmetalk2240]

@Paul Davis-Cooke Human nature. 😊

[@NeoLegendX]

one of my good friends is called dale

[@maxeisenhardt633]

When Professor Dale Martin talked about Dialogue about Jesus and Peter about Peter's definition of Messiah, remind me of Reza Aslan's lectures about "how 1st century Palestinians Jews define the Messiah", it's a chosen one who born in city of David that will re-establish Kingdom David/Kingdom of God". So many rebels called himself Messiah at that time. Jesus is one of them I wish Professor Dale Martin talked about "What is Messiah's definition according to 1st century Palestinians Jews", because Reza Aslan is heavily criticized by other scholar because it is not speciallity. I need different perspective

[@mangotten5320]

I see they are good people giving positive and ethical comments. While others commented unethically like the devil who said swearing. Hopefully Brother Paul is not the same as Paul.

[@omaralyafai2368]

Hey Paul, inshallab you cam ask Dr. Martin about the imagery of mathew? Xians tend to use the imagery of jesus calming the storm as such as equating him to god stating it increases his christology

[@thechamp5284]

“I say: Perhaps this is one of the things that have misled the Christians, causing them to claim that Christ is a god, for they relate from him that he rebuked the sea and its waves calmed down, although the wind had stirred it up.This is an ugly delusion of theirs, for the calming down of the sea by rebuke is more general than divinity. For every god may rebuke the sea and its waves calm down, but not everyone who rebukes the sea and its waves calm down is a god, because the existence of that which is more general does not necessarily result in the existence of that which is more particular. That happened-if it is reported correctly from him-by the empowerment of God, the Glorified, just like his other miracles and the miracles of the other prophets, peace be upon them, as it has been mentioned previously.” - Muslim Exegesis of the Bible in Medieval Cairo Najm al-Dīn al-Ṭūfī’s (d. 716/1316) Commentary on the Christian Scriptures

[@koppite9600]

@@thechamp5284 go debate whether Mary is Aaron's sister. The bible is clear that Jesus is God. Later apostles clarified this fact. Its even in the only book of Revelation that he is God.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Hey Omar... I do think that the Gospels taken together do point to a high Christology because they mention so many wonderful things about Jesus. Such as His miracles, his prayers to God, His emphasis on love and compassion and His many teachings. So, in totality, I think the 4 Gospels do portray Jesus as having a special relationship with God the Father.

[@omaralyafai2368]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 having a special relationship with god doesnt equate that he is god but merely, a highly regarded man loved by god. We see men like Enoch and Abraham loved by the jews in 2nd temple judaism and never seen as god. If someone reads the gospels in first century jewish underatanding with the understanding of its concepts I can't see it possible to see jesus as god. But thank you for you being respectful in your comment. I appreciate it. Many people are jot

[@koppite9600]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 i think we are left no room for opinions on who Jesus is when he clearly called himself I AM. The Pharisees wanted to stone him for claiming to be God... Jesus claimed he was I AM so we should take it as he said.

[@MSP_-wp5fb]

It'd be good if you could maybe get Abbas or Dr.Iman or Muhammed Hijab from EFDawah etc

[@fearnonebutone4977]

A somewhat unrelated note, the injeel we speak of as Muslims, are the gospel of Jesus. NOT a gospel from Mathew, mark, Luke, John, “Q” or paul. Since those do not hold proper chains of narration and aren’t even noted to be written be their ascribed names. We can affirm the message Jesus ACTUALLY brought, by alignment with the Quran and that which the Quran affirms. But when we as Muslims speak about the injeel, it is important to note that it is Jesus’s gospel, not to be confused with the New Testament contents as a whole.

[@Carelock]

When he said jokingly that students copy from Wikipedia on papers sometimes I remember he taught at Yale. 😂😂😂

[@jessepelaez874]

All those book behind him and he assumes mark Beginning is missing? Mark 1:1 The beginning of the good news, seems like the beginning to me. The ending is more debatable but the fact that mat and luke don’t really give is much shows even they didn’t have the ending that was supposedly lost to history

[@richardbradley1532]

Interesting

[@bstring3967]

Very interesting. I coulda swore I heard him say that “Paul did not speak Hebrew”, that is a very interesting statement if Paul was in fact a Jew.......I’m not sure if he is talking about the “seven unattested” books of Paul or.........kinda curious how he came to that.

[@الأستادالصغيرة]

Think paul im algerien

[@anonamos3287]

The greater reality of the message and meaning of Messiah, who was a man, touched by the Prophetic blessing of Our Creator, was born to accomplished everything asked of him and did so, just as required to fulfill his purpose to show a light to humanity. That he could do nothing alone, other than overcoming the evil of the world. The exact requirement asked of all humanity, but by succeeding, left a record of the way ahead for those who believed in him, could follow. That every miracle, every Prophesy fullfilled happened through him from Our Creator, who set up lights for this world to know He alone is really there above us all. That he was rejected, is nothing different other Prophets also suffered. Yet his real Hebrew name Y'Esua tells the truth of his outcome. Yahowah (He Who Is (Allah) saved him.

[@zainiabdullah621]

YHWH : Ya Huwwa : Al'llaahu Laa illaaha illalLaahu wal Hayyu Qayyuum ... (QS 2: 255)

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

How does "his real Hebrew name Y'Esua tell the truth of his outcome"? Can you explain better? Thanks !!

[@ow2750]

fell in love with the football team ... for sure... guessed a happy gay theologian...

[@spanellaful]

Even if Martin is Episcopal, his approach really sounds similar to Catholicism. I wonder if he knows the theologian Luigi Giussani (the founder of Communion and Liberation)

[@phenomenal17playz]

Jesus and his disciples were aramaic and gospels written in highly educated greek speaking authors.

[@jamesupton4996]

No - from the video itself that was made clear - Mark wrote in a very rough Greek.

[@jamesupton4996]

@Juley beeb It's an historical fact that Jesus lived and died a Jew. He would have known Hebrew to read the Jewish Scriptures, in Palestine, although a Greek version of the Jewish Scriptures existed - the Septuagint - used by the Greek speaking Jews of the Eastern Roman Empire. Aramaic would have been Jesus' everyday language, but given that Greek culture had made its way into Palestine ( a few miles outside Nazareth was the town of Sepphoris, a Hellenistic town, and there were the Greek speaking towns of the Decapolis), so Jesus may well have known some Greek. Perhaps some Latin too, to deal with Roman administration. Even the architecture of the Temple, built by Herod, in Jerusalem was Greek inspired. The Gospels did not exist before Paul; he is the earliest writer of the New Testament, and Jesus himself never wrote anything. what the four Gospels contain are the traditions handed down about Jesus in the early Christian communities. Early Christianity began as a movement within Judaism. Basically, you have Judaism - Christianity emerging from Judaism, and the rest of the pagan beliefs of the Roman Empire. Jesus was crucified, not because he taught a new religion, rejected by the Jews, but precisely because he was a Jew who challenged the religious status quo, particularly the aristocracy who controlled the Temple.

[@justarshad8354]

Yeah.jesus was real but christianity is just a man-made pagan religion.maybe 10% truth in it.the rest are just fiction

[@jamesupton4996]

@@justarshad8354 That's an incredibly reductive take. I wonder how you manage to quantify Truth at around the 10% mark - why not maybe 20%, or maybe 40%?

[@justarshad8354]

@@jamesupton4996 the moment a religion says god came on earth,god paid for humanity sins,believe in blood sacrifice.its already established as a pagan culture.cant be from an abrahamic religion.its against.i said 10% only as some real jesus words and teachings are in it

[@shiroboo525]

Bro Paul dear..the Ads are killing me..😅

[@BloggingTheology]

sorry!

[@allee3476]

I think the paid subscription to KZbin eliminates the ads

[@craigfairweather3401]

With the Gospels as scrolls, they were obviously written to be read to groups of believers, and as teaching aids. Interpreters would explain and questions would be asked where is insufficiently clear and then answered by ‘teachers’.

[@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY]

OBSERVATION 1 In other words, we DO NOT KNOW, yet we talk, and talk, and talk about what we do not know! In brief, we are making a lot of fuss about legends, myths, and unauthored, unhistorical, and undocumented fables! BAFS

[@Uss997]

Educative video but too many advertisements in between the videos.

[@djoloffc]

Mashallah god bless

[@HHasan-of2vi]

Fundamental crystal clear teachings of Jesus in the Gospels is much more similar to Judaism and Islam but on the other hand Christian Doctrine and Theology is based on few ambiguous statements of Jesus and from Gospel authors like ex; John 1:1.

[@peaceinjesus5221]

You may get that mistaken impression, but that is far from an accurate assessment! Christian theology is drawn from the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Its nothing to do with "a few ambiguous statements of Jesus from gospel authors like John". This is the problem with Muslims who "think" they understand Christian faith, doctrine and theology and totally underestimate it! To understand these things you will need to fill your bookshelves with an entire library of writings about the entire Bible!

[@HHasan-of2vi]

@@peaceinjesus5221 Jewish scholars strongly condemn Christian Doctrine and Theology extracted from old testament.

[@peaceinjesus5221]

@@HHasan-of2vi re: "Jewish scholars strongly condemn Christian Doctrine and Theology extracted from old testament" >> It is true that Orthodox Judaism's scholars do yes, but why would this be a surprise for you to make such a statement?? They believe that the Jewish leaders that instigated the trial of Jesus and subsequent crucifixion were right in doing so! So why would this be a surprise to you,....or anyone else?? Messianic Jewish scholars however take very different views of Christian doctrine and Theology - so which Jews are you referring to?

[@mikeschmoll7762]

To all the Muslims here, you should be aware of the worldview out of Mr. Martin is speaking here.

[@peacesalaam816]

What you mean?

[@mikeschmoll7762]

@@peacesalaam816 He doesn't believe that God reveals and speaks to us. There is no God's word in his worldview, only humans speaking about their subjective spiritual experiences.

[@mikeschmoll7762]

@@peacesalaam816 why is that important? Because Muslims and Christians belive that God has spoken, so we should listen to what scholars have to say who speak with a worldview that is in harmony with the data. Imagine I would come to you and say, hey listen to this top notch koran scholar but that scholar doesn't belive God has objectively revealed himself. You would have every reason to be very critical about that...

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@mikeschmoll7762 Hmmmm... what you say is interesting but how do you know this about the scholar? Peace

[@mikeschmoll7762]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 It's the sum of his speech here, if you listen to enough liberals you get the feeling for it 😅 also look up his books he published and the thesis he defended.

[@allykhan8594]

Subhana Rabbi al A'laa. Scholars vs Bible bashers score Scholars +100 Bible Bashers -100. You can bash it any how you want but too much has been corrupted in a kaleidoscope of extraordinary colours of confusion. IS truly Jesus pbuh the author of confusion? Or did he just Create confusion or did a lot of interjection take place?

[@ebenezerobez2771]

If Matthew and Luke copied from Mark's gospel while Mark was with them, then that proves that the gospels were written before 70 AD?

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

You might be right. But I'm not sure if scholars believe that "Mark" was a companion of Matthew and Luke. Anyhow... I still believe the Gospels were written in the 1st century AD.

[@peaceinjesus5221]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 John - the gospels were definitely written in the 1st century and Papias and Polycarp are both said to have had personal contact with the earliest disciples and Christian community - so the evidence for the authenticity of the gospels is pretty strong! The early church fathers made approximately 1 million quotations from the earliest gospels, in their own writings which is why the argument that we don't know what the earliest gospels said, is false. Our earliest existing gospel manuscripts are from the 2nd century. Although they are fragmentary, they cover the entire New Testament in total. Opponents of the gospels either don't know this or don't mention it, but it does mean that the popular claims that the gospels weren't written for hundreds of years after Jesus is false. What it actually means is that there wasn't such a long period of time for the gospels to be modified as is the popular view by many. I'm sorry to say it, but there is a great deal of popular deception going on, being propagated by the internet and especially over You Tube!

[@peaceinjesus5221]

Ebenezer - its also worth pointing out that the dating of the gospels by academics is partially dependant upon the idea that there is no such thing as prophetically telling the future - ie, if the gospels say that Jesus said that the Temple would be destroyed....then this "MUST" mean that these words were placed INTO the mouth of Jesus after it actually happened! In other words a position of total scepticism regarding the idea that such a thing as prophecy can literally exist! The position of many scholars is that the NT and gospels are simply 'literature' like any other ancient literature. ....and therefore if there are claims of prophecy they must be indicators that Jesus didn't say such things, but were placed into the mouth of Jesus by the gospel writers who 'fabricated' these prophecies! This is a position of not only scepticism but one of making the writers to be outright liars! This then becomes an 'indicator' that the gospels must have been written AFTER the Temple destruction in AD 70, if the gospel writer included such a prophecy from Jesus in it! By the same token, the same cynical academics assume that Jesus can't have done miracles either, so these too must be 'made up'! and on and on.. and by this so called 'academic reductionist approach' they end up with virtually nothing and a teacher who simply went around preaching...ending up with a complete conundrum! ....they can no longer explain why the authorities would be angry with such a preacher who simply taught the Torah!....and there is no longer any reason to want to stop him, kill him or crucify him! ....and likewise the false accusations made about Jesus saying he would "destroy the Temple and rebuild it in 3 days" (when Jesus meant his own body and resurrection), no longer make any sense if he never predicted the destruction of the Temple aswell to happen a generation later! This kind of critical academic reductionism can be called 'radical scepticism' and that's what it amounts to! They lead themselves and others down the garden path to nowhere!

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@peaceinjesus5221 I agree with you that "there is a great deal of popular deception going on, being propagated by the internet and especially over KZbin!"

[@peaceinjesus5221]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Yes John, and it is becoming ever more sophisticated! Never, has the gospel of Jesus, ever been under so much attack, in its entire history. I offer that as my opinion, but I'm convinced that is the case, facilitated by the internet and Information Age, that has been accompanied by the "Misinformation Age"! As we can see in Paul's videos, it is so easy for someone to co-opt the contentions of sceptical academics or to use their lectures and writings selectively, for the purpose of promoting one's own agenda! In Paul's case his agenda is purely to promote Islam, but in the case of others it can be to promote Atheism or some other ideology - all of them are more than happy to quote what they call "Christian" scholars, against the Christian writings! ...(as if that was even possible!). ...but apparently, "if the end justifies the means, then who cares?" If someone asks you: "Have you read 'Misquoting Jesus' by Bart Ehrman?" you can ask him similarly: "Have you read "Reinventing Jesus - how contemporary skeptics miss the real Jesus and mislead popular culture" by Daniel B Wallace et al. (which refutes Ehrman's misleading statements and explains why they are misleading!). There is also "Revisiting the Corruption of the New Testament" by Daniel B Wallace. I'm, not suggesting that you read these books, unless you are interested in the academics of this subject, but you can refer critics to them, as they are refutations of the popular misleading allegations against the Christian New Testament. I think your spiritual devotional approach is a good priority!

[@joung3141]

The Apostles were in God's Theology Seminary for years. Taught by God Himself. Still, a Judas was among them. Remember, while God's Church is still in this world, there are always Peter, John and even Judas.

[@bbccnn8836]

If scholars on Quranic manuscript are brought in.... Every Muslim viewer will........ I don't want to say anything Paul.

[@saimtanweer5720]

Bring there are many :- John Burton , Angelika Neuwirth , Nicolai Sinai , Francois deroche , Yasin Dutton , Dr tayyar altiqulaq, etc etc Paul doesn't only call sceptic but Christian scholar as well

[@bbccnn8836]

@@saimtanweer5720 please ask Paul to call him in his show kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpmsZJyiZp2ph7M

[@saimtanweer5720]

@@bbccnn8836 I named him , Dr Yasin Dutton , you don't even knew him

[@bbccnn8836]

@@saimtanweer5720 ooo thank you but where is he? How many new testament scholars and how many Islamic critique scholars Paul has brought in his show?

[@bbccnn8836]

@@saimtanweer5720 dan Gibson, Dr.brubaker can also be included... You can watch their channels variant of Quran by Dr. brubaker.... He is specialised in quranic manuscripts...

[@winstonshipman8734]

Professor Martin is great. He knows Bart Ehrman's teachings inside out but he is also a great theologian . Ehrman is very smart but is resentful of the church . Dale Martin is not. I think Martin realizes the Gospels were not written as history books and is not constantly disappointed when he learns they are not History books . Ehrman feels he has been deceived by the church.

[@theaquaticdesert]

Tooo many ads i cant enjoy listening to the video.... please lessen the ads make them at least 4

[@allee3476]

Please become a paid subscriber to KZbin so you wouldn’t have to complain about the ads anymore

[@theaquaticdesert]

@@allee3476 ??? no one threw a bone to you. mind your own business.

[@allee3476]

@@theaquaticdesert I was minding my own business until I came across your comment 😂

[@theaquaticdesert]

@@allee3476 your not making any sense. just because you are a millionare and pay subs on every single app doesnt mean everyone has to do it. and you commenting on my comment is not minding your own business because i was talking to the channel owner not you mr nobody.

[@sandboxaccountz.zy.7012]

A jew from palestine in that time and everyhwere i read them say there never was a country called palestine, had to laugh and write thanks for mentioning it

[@electrotea]

Paul you need a better thumbnail for this video and the rest of the series

[@ebenezerobez2771]

If Mark gospel attest to the death of Jesus, then that makes Koran false.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Why do you believe that? Although I do thing something is misunderstood in the Quran's statement about Jesus' death, I trust the 4 Gospels to be more authentic and historical. Therefore, I do believe that Jesus was crucified on a cross.

[@ebenezerobez2771]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 . Koran said Jesus did not die

[@peaceinjesus5221]

@@ebenezerobez2771 Yes, the statement in the Quran from Surah 4:157 claiming Jesus wasn't crucified is a complete fabrication which itself casts doubt upon the entire Quran. Its an attack on the Christian gospel and Jesus himself - a statement of doctrine, not a verse telling us who, why, how, when it happened! It tells us nothing because its only purpose is to deny the Redemption of Christ on the cross!

[@hadesthedarkhelm]

You guys didn't talk about Gospel of Thomas

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

That comes next time ( or one of these days )

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

16 :00 - suffering servant and messiah arent same.

[@aac1946]

Read surah Al kahaf you got your replies...

[@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY]

QUESTION 1 Christ had NO church! When was the word "CHURCH" first used for any Christian CONGREGATION or ECCLESIA? BAFS

[@koppite9600]

They began in synagogues they were chased away. When the Romans took over Christians took advantage of the freedom of worship to buy the first Church. From a letter of St Ignatius of Antioch this church was called Catholic

[@LordGrimlok]

Funny that the ad before the video was promoting Islam