Islam, Evolution, and Darwinism with Subboor Ahmad

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[@BloggingTheology]

Subboor's playlist on the philosophy of evolution: kzbin.info/aero/PLufmopp748Z0HK4o2ce77cI_zZu3tqEhZ

[@SubboorAhmadAbbasi]

Thanks for posting Jazakallahkhair

[@user-ib9of6dm5n]

@@SubboorAhmadAbbasi Allah reward both of you lions

[@hashimawan2433]

​​@@SubboorAhmadAbbasi This was an extremely Academic video, I must say that alot of what you talked about went over my head, because I am not familiar with all the terminologies and the contexts etc.

[@Badri31333]

@@SubboorAhmadAbbasi remind us of your website. Your name com didn’t work.

[@islamsalaam1129]

Please do a piece on Kemetics

[@misericordepourlhumanite]

Salam alaykoum, We received a call yesterday from a sister on our French toll-free number on Islam, she is doubting Islam because of the theory of evolution. As she knows English I directed her to the amazing and groundbreaking work of Brother Subboor Ahmad who is a specialist on this issue. Thank you very much brother Paul for hosting those great discussions on your channel ! May Allah bless you both !

[@ismailaden7]

May Allah keep her firm in Islam

[@grnzrn]

Maybe you should point her to someone who can actually falsify the theorie of evolution. Oh, wait...

[@babahadjimohamed9339]

@@grnzrn cry more

[@IbnThabitVerlag]

His channel is definitely one of the best references allahumma barik!

[@ishmammohammadadnan1525]

@@grnzrn Evolution isn’t falsifiable.

[@businessisboomin7252]

This cannot be true.....i was about to request a video like this today!!! Masha'Allah. Alhamdulillah.

[@osamas5912]

Literally same here. I really wanted this video and I open KZbin and there it is on my homepage.

[@businessisboomin7252]

@@osamas5912 Allah answered our requests alhamdulilah

[@everyzylrian]

You were requesting a video between two creationists who have no idea what they're talking about, without the critical oversight of an actual expert?

[@Borz.0011]

@@everyzylrian says the Keyboard warrior

[@everyzylrian]

@@Borz.0011 thats you bro

[@truthinknowledge8312]

A part 2 is needed. So much more to discuss. May Allah swt reward you all for this excellent discussion.

[@jesan733]

There's nothing to discuss. Evolution is a proven fact.

[@jesan733]

@@ServeGodAlone Muslims are weak exactly because of that: uneducated, refusing science, childish.

[@jesan733]

@@u.canthinkpositively I apologize for what I wrote a month ago earlier, perhaps I was a bit off-balance when I wrote that. And I don't see right now what I responded to, perhaps that triggered me somehow. Anyway, the evidence for evolution is absolutely overwhelming, there are mountains of evidence for humans being part of evolution from common origin. This means, unfortunately, that a lot of religions have been proven false: All religions that claim humans were separately created. I understand the evidence, so therefore I understand that evolution from common origin is true. It doesn't have anything to do with authorities like Dawkins or any kind of feelings or social needs, it's just understanding of facts.

[@jesan733]

@@u.canthinkpositively sure, among the mountains of evidence for human evolution, we have the genetic evidence where we can see how genes have been copied along an evolutionary tree. For instance, we have the fused chromosome two in humans that are two chromosomes in apes, but where the fused chromosome in humans retains remnants of an extra middle and extra "ends" within the chromosome. We also have e.g. endogenous retrovirus genome remnants, where we can see how some such extra material has been inserted before we split from various common ancestors, and some after. There's literally millions of such evidences in our DNA. We can also use the same molecular clock analysis to estimate time since lineages split, that also works for other species and with subspecies. Other evidence involve vestigial features, like the grasp reflex in babies, serving no function anymore but is very useful for ape babes to hold on to the mother's fur while she has both hands free for climbing in trees. We also have remnant muscles that can move our ears slightly, that in some monkeys are used to direct the ears toward sound. Then we have common flaws, like the recurrent laryngeal nerve that due to evolutionary history takes a bad detour from the brain around the heart and then back to our larynxes, introducing a signalling delay and a slight vulnerability. Then we have fossil evidence of human evolution. All these lines of evidence can be expanded upon and each contains huge amounts of separate proofs.

[@rafayshakeel4812]

Ustādh Suboor Ahmed is very smart and intelligent. His videos about debunking human evolution are awesome and very helpful for those suffering with Shubuhat (Doubts). May Allah ﷻ bless Ustādh Suboor with happiness, health, and longevity. Ameen!

[@everyzylrian]

How has he "debunked" human evolution? Subboor has no expertise, his words sound like babble to anyone even slightly educated.

[@medicalpilatessoulwellness]

Amin.

[@jesan733]

Since scientists agree that humans have evolved from common origin and since the evidence is very clear and overwhelming, everybody who contradicts that will be regarded as kindof d-mb. This includs Suboor and yourself.

[@alexcope8142]

humans share 98.8 of their DNA with chimps

[@sheikrogers642]

@@jesan733we went from being descendants of apes, to having a common ancestor with them. And we still don’t have the transitional fossils between us and our common ancestor.

[@akumezzy1092]

I love how comfortable Paul is with Suboor. I love when he talks more in his interviews.

[@ismailakviranl9174]

Pure effort of seeking truth. Dear Paul and Subboor, I thank you.

[@jesan733]

Pure effort of seeking to deny the truth. Humans are part of evolution from common descent; the evidence is overwhelming.

[@VigilantGuardian6750]

"The mantle of science is being missused to promote metaphysical naturalism when it's description is only to methodological naturalism" atom bomb of truth right at the very start Brother Subboor is indeed an elite on this issue, glad you invited him, there's so much to process in this 1 and half hour I'll have to rewatch multiple times as per usual when it's Subboor on lol but also the mention of NDEs is very intriguing stuff.

[@BloggingTheology]

He is a star 🌟

[@DetInspectorMonkfish]

But many of the world's leading scientists and philosophers of science are saying precisely that science does lend support to metaphysical naturalism. This includes Subboor's own source such as Puggliucci and Ruse. If this is in Subboor's opinion, 'misuse', then why is Subboor pretending to speak on behalf of the 'academic understanding'? Why doesn't he admit that he is instead challenging a widely held academically respectable point of view?

[@AntiKaratekid]

You must not have listened to the video. Appeals to authority (big scientists believe X) or appeals to majority (most believe Y) are fallacies. The whole episode is about why prevailing ideas are flawed. Ironically, that’s what happens in scientific paradigm shifts. One minute everyone believes in one theory, then cracks form, and then people realize they were wrong. I’m not even gonna touch the absurd idea that “science” makes metaphysical claims. Do you even know what you’re talking about?

[@paulakstamps7852]

Created mo to be a con fake character....using planted fake science

[@jesan733]

@@AntiKaratekid science doesn't make metaphysical claims, yet science proving evolution from common origin and science not finding any support for miracles still lends support to metaphysical naturalism. Lending support and making claims aren't the same thing, exactly. We as onlookers see the science and draw conclusions without science making definite claims.

[@Tay_SC]

I’m so glad Br Paul you pushed back on the need for evolution to be a battleground against new atheists purely for sociological reasons. I think our community is educated enough to take the more spiritually watertight perspective you presented :) JazakAllahu Khairan both for the discussion.

[@jesan733]

If there's a battleground here, it's muslims vs biologists. But biologists generally don't care about your denialism, so you're fighting science with disinterested "opponents".

[@maggaveli6764]

​@@jesan733here comes the genocide supporters

[@faysal8597]

Amazing guest & interview. I really learned a lot from watching Suboors content, in regards to debunking Darwinism. Can’t recommend him enough. May Allah preserve you both 🤲🏾

[@BloggingTheology]

Thanks!

[@jesan733]

Next you can learn a lot from flat earthist channels, in regards to debunking a round earth. That's equally d-mb.

[@yusufresponds]

Another great video, keep doing what you do man!

[@mdpal7166]

This brother Suboor is a gem! Though younger in age he always astonished me in knowledge logic and presentation skills since I found him years ago in YT. He navigates easily through many of the difficult terrains in the field of science, especially related to evolution and philosophy, most other scholars find difficult. Years of my reading and explorations made it easy fir me understand him better but it was always a great experience listening to him. May Allah swt protect him and increase his knowledge, efforts and success. Ameen. I wish to meet him personally one day Insha Allah if I get a chance.

[@serenevalor]

Dear, Blogging Theology. Can you please make a series where you can introduce the audience to the top 10 books to read for the following topics: - Darwinism vs Islam - Islam and science - New to Islam - Humanity - Philosophy And any other interesting topics. I always enjoy hearing your thoughts and opinions/reviews. P.S. Thanks for all the hard work y'all are doing. I've personally benefitted a lot from your content. May Allah keep you sincere and grant you jannatul firdouse. Amen 🤲🏼

[@babahadjimohamed9339]

What do you mean whit new Islam?

[@abduallahamin2001]

@@babahadjimohamed9339 Introductions to people who are new to Islam

[@mohammednasser4898]

@@abduallahamin2001 💯

[@safarcl]

❤ Amen

[@jesan733]

"The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution" by Richard Dawkins is possibly the best book for you right now.

[@abduallahamin2001]

42:45 to 46:30 Near death experiences (تجارب الإقتراب من الموت) 1:14:15 to 1:18:55 junk DNA 1:20:29 subboor's forthcoming book. 1:22:42 books recommendation.

[@aijazbhat9081]

One of the biggest drawbacks of evolution is that it fails to explain why we don’t see evidences of evolution on other planets i.e the potential for life on other planets to originate and adapt to their unique conditions, which is from inorganic to organic (not yet proven)and than develop by adapting to that planet’s unique conditions and as complex as our planet earth.

[@mhkhan8724]

wow never really thought of this perspective...thank you

[@jaketwigg1065]

We haven’t discovered another planet with life yet. So the theory has not been tested.

[@Countt11]

I think you gotta learn about Miller's experiment...... Your question is borderline stupid

[@TmanRock9]

I think this has more to do with abiogenesis than evolution. Abiogenesis deals with the origin of life and the answer maybe that life is very rare which seems to be the case.

[@alenezi989a3]

But in the Quran Allah created Adam from Mud, so it's basically saying that Humans who are living creatures originated from inorganic/inanimate material. I think the Quran hints at the Abiogenesis. The start of Life from inorganic material. There also another verse that talks about how Allah created from water every living thing again another hint at abiogenesis. I think as,muslims we need to improve our understanding of the Quran afterall the Quran is Valid for all times, and so it could give hints or notes about future scientific theories that were not known in previous times. I personally believe the Quran has many hints about evolution the only probel the Atheists have is that they assume it all happens by chance i believe evolution happens by design.

[@adamel-said5007]

Masha Allah what a brilliant discussion. I love ​@Subboor Ahmad fi-ilah (for Allah), since I laid eyes on him 4-5 years ago and I've learned alot from him as a practicing Scientist myself. He's true to his discipline, relays information accurately and truthfully to the best of his ability. A true مؤمن. May Allah strengthen us all as an ummah and allow us to have these differences in theological and metaphysical approaches, as he does with Shoaib Malik, and as Islam allows (!), cordially and respectfully.

[@grnzrn]

Looking at how he relays the information surrounding Junk-DNA does not exactly inspire confidence in his academic competence.

[@jesan733]

Why not just exit islam? It clearly doesn't align with science, so why try to shoehorn it in?

[@Muslim-musulman]

Alhamdullilah first commenter. May Allah bless your work.

[@IbnThabitVerlag]

*sigh* this video is my happy place once again 🤗 what a great time to be alive amongst Muslim academics like yourselves alhamdulillah!

[@settingstransfer1249]

The point about methodological naturalism vs philosophical naturalism couldn't be more spot on. Having studied medicine at Cambridge I can attest that people would be confused when asking me about evolution and scientific theories and fail to understand this is NOT the same as the metaphysical naturalism that they would be erroneously equated to! Great upload!

[@newanas5271]

If u don't mindme asking, what branch of medicine you v studied?

[@DetInspectorMonkfish]

Can you actually provide an example of Dawkins conflating methodological and philosophical naturalism? I keep hearing that he does. But have yet to see an example.

[@salmanul_fares]

@@DetInspectorMonkfish read Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False, a 2012 book by the philosopher Thomas Nagel

[@DetInspectorMonkfish]

@@salmanul_fares If you can't provide an example, then just don't bother. Don't send me on a wild goose chase.

[@Idkkk555]

@@DetInspectorMonkfishu clearly don’t want an answer so just shut up

[@md.fahadibnailias9670]

A beautiful, insightful and lively conversation between two favorite people... May Allah accept your efforts...

[@uniuni8855]

We are writing history, gentlemen. 💪 Thank Dr. Paul and Dr. Subboor

[@roshanburgai3902]

Brother Paul, May Allah reward you greatly, your channel is like school for me. Thank you,

[@user-ib9of6dm5n]

Jazakallah Khair brother Paul… what would say is the best book for a layman friend who is trying to navigate through atheistic doubts in your opinion… I’m already excited to watch this video

[@nokhchi1079]

Hamza Andreas's book, The Divine Reality

[@user-ib9of6dm5n]

@@nokhchi1079 Subhanallah, I just purchased it over an hour ago. That’s crazy.. Jazakallah Khair.. could you expand or tell me what’s covered briefly if you don’t mind

[@mohamedshah5418]

​@@user-ib9of6dm5nalso Islam Answers Atheism by Asrar Rashid

[@mohamedshah5418]

Both books are available as a pdf online

[@nokhchi1079]

@@user-ib9of6dm5n the main philosophical arguments of atheism

[@estonian44]

jazaakALlah khayran, enjotable and packed with information, may Almighty bless and protect you guys and guide us all ameen

[@zyadlarossi4192]

الحمد لله رب العالمين. الذي جعل هذا نفعا لنا

[@hmehdi2644]

There is one verse in the Quran that describes the origin of the universe followed by the origin of life in a few phrases. It appears to describe the transition from chemistry to biology at an abstract level.

[@LameWorks]

Could you share the verses?

[@loftdeanfaz294]

Suboor may allah increase your knowledge best regards from Sri Lanka

[@sekiro_19]

Thanks for making this video

[@theseeker4308]

Brother suboor is 🔥 i had requested this a longtime ago, thankyou paul..

[@narjiselshakmak6133]

Fantastic video at much needed time to face Atheism.. may Allah guide us all.

[@Vihaan4u]

Thank You Sir Paul 👏

[@mohdnorzaihar2632]

modern thinker recently found how fasting led to rejuvenate revitalising livelihood(socio-biology-ecology-economically) that fasting meant a lot to human civilization "sustainability" and "evolution" have nothing to claim about this "greatest scientist" (allah)work..assalamualaiqum

[@B-Mike]

Absolutely absorbing. I was so fascinated by the dialogue that I watched it twice. May Allah Bless you Paul for bringing such intellectuals.

[@ashikelahie6035]

Been waiting for this. Thank you, sir Paul.

[@WaelHamadeh]

I would love to see a debate on your channel brother Paul between Stephen Meyer and Shoaib Ahmad Malik whereby each party would have the fair opportunity to present their case and to respond to the objections of the other.

[@rashedjamal3055]

Fascinating. Thank you Subboor and Paul.

[@keekl6870]

Subboor was among the first few "Boys of Speakers Corner" that I watched on YT during the lockdowns.

[@abuakmal9618]

Watching this at 12.30pm here. Phewww the intellectual discussion here fried my brain more than the Malaysian hot weather.

[@ismailaden7]

MashaAllah Saboor knowledge grew a lot.

[@MDrishad-td9xj]

Just watched the whole 1 hour 24 minutes, i just learned so much from you sir paul. Daniel haqiqatjou, Muhammad hijab and you are my favourite youtubers. Im 20 now, thanks for the guidance, i always come here whenever islam makes me confused, you guys always made islam more sense and factual. ❤❤

[@farisa1116]

Can you give a small gist yes islam denies we eveolved from apes and fish before that but there's clearly proof of homo erectus and humans with arched backs slightly so what's the end conclusion?

[@jesan733]

Please read this book: "The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution".

[@Gokuwird50]

@@jesan733this book is not a 4,8 billion years old book is just a man that says something you can just watch a video about it and become the same infos so no he don’t need to read it👌

[@jesan733]

@@Gokuwird50 I think this young man needs something more than a video to help him resist islamic teachings on evolution.

[@Gokuwird50]

⁠@@jesan733my friend I’m just saying no one need a book every atheist has a video about it so he don’t need to read a book or buy one and don’t forget that Muslim can’t lie about there own religion that is a huge problem so speak like they are speaking the truth

[@aromafromheaven]

Great vid guys

[@mirakbar9029]

I really enjoyed the discussion. I am looking forward to read those books.

[@doctorSuhailAnwar]

I am all for ID . Myers books are the flagships of ID. However I am very disappointed in Myers views on judo- Christianity as the platform for modern science. Despite several prompts over the years ( including prompts by Paul on blogging theology ) he refuses to acknowledge immense Arabic / Muslim contribution as the backbone for modern Renaissance. To me this is akin to intellectual dishonesty. Probity is very important to me whatever field of knowledge one belongs to.

[@BloggingTheology]

Good points Dr Suhail.

[@doctorSuhailAnwar]

@@BloggingTheology Thanks Paul- just call me Suhail 🙂

[@jesan733]

It's pretty much impossible to write such major works positive to ID while being intellectually honest, since evolution is so clearly true.

[@HumanbyGod]

May Allah bless you with best. Alhmdulillah Your work is very Beneficial

[@elsadiqali5766]

Salam alaykoum bro Paul ،thanks so much with your effort to put truth out for everyone thanks to our bro Ahmed جزاكم الله خيرا ،رمضان كريم

[@eman40y]

Ma she Allah brother Paul, I'm saving these videos for after Ramadan

[@afzalhossain1429]

Jazakalla khairan brother paul for bringing Subboor Ahmad sir ❤

[@muhammadluqmankhan08]

Thank you for calling Saboor for this lecture.. in the earlier discussion with that guy from UAE on this topic of Evolution he was just trying to be a reformist/deformist by proposing that Allah created Adam AS but already there were other humans like Adam AS before or along side Adam AS who came into being automatically through Darwinian concept of evolution

[@richthessolonian1842]

Right. The Quran is clear about Adam (AS) being the first human. Modern Muslims are under pressure to blindly accept evolution. That explains the ridiculous attempts to "reinterpret" clear Quranic verses by coming up with "creative interpretations" that are laughable quiet frankly.

[@mhmmd731]

You mean it’s possible to believe in Islam and evolution? Evolution says that we share the same ancestors with the apes while the Quran says that Allah created Adem and Hava.

[@muhammadluqmankhan08]

@@mhmmd731 there is not just one type of evolution theory.. You should listen to this and other work of Saboor

[@muhammadluqmankhan08]

@@mhmmd731 and I don't believe that we share our ancestry with apes.. I believe Allah created Adam and Hawa AS as the first humans and they are the first parents of the entire human kind

[@mhmmd731]

@@muhammadluqmankhan08 what types are there?

[@Dontbeasheep345]

Masha Allah Brother subboor a very well knowledgeable about science. Jazaka Allahu kheyran brother Paul for what you doing.

[@Dontbeasheep345]

@@homtanks7259 I misspelled subboor

[@homtanks7259]

@@Dontbeasheep345 i know

[@jashneaaftabi]

Lovely to brother subboor and paul together MashaAllah this was very informative video.

[@Lovingtroll]

Love you Paul ❤

[@ayeshasaddiqa6218]

Oh I was wondering when you will invite Suboor Ahmad. So Nice to see this video

[@justin-lb5uv]

this episode is pure gold

[@harriskhan7671]

amazing thank you brothers paul subboor and jazakAllahhukhair.

[@babahadjimohamed9339]

I see subbor I click and I leave comment even before watching the video. Now I will start watching the video

[@Steven_Rowe]

Firstly I'm not a clever man, I'm sure if I had a debate to prove that 2+2=4 with a clever debater I would loose. Well religion can be seen as over simplistic, take Genisis, well we don't know so God did it and all in 6 days and come the 7th day he needed a rest. What God needs a rest?? Very laughable if you take things literally. The Qur'an talks about sending man to earth, so did man exist in a spiritual form before man came to earth? Chapter 21 v 30 21:30) Did the unbelievers (who do not accept the teaching of the Prophet) not realize that the heavens and the earth were one solid mass, then We tore them apart,28 and We made every living being out of water?29 Will they, then, not believe (that We created all this)? So here we have the Big Bang and the origins of life in water, which Darkins would say is true. So this was simply a lucky guess by an illerate nomadic tribesman right???? I'm old enough at nearly 70 to see how the West has been flushed into the sewer of depravity and it grieves me deeply. Allah has set man free to do and believe what ever he wants. We now have lies made to look like truth, I can decide right now im a woman, a horse whatever and the stupid godless governments of the day say freedom of expression. So can I commit a heinous crime and when brought to justice decide I'm not a human, I'm a donkey or even a 3 year old child so do t know better. Great Britain, GB, rule Britannia and all that has now become GB GODLESS BRITAIN. I will get shot for saying this but the only hope is ISLAM. The church of England has now decided God got it wrong and same sex marriage is ok. The only churches doing OK are mega churches that are all show and entertain people who think Jesus was a cool dude in a rock band. Well they killed the church but they simply swapped religion. The shopping mall is the house of worship and the Holy book is TV, radio and social media.

[@muzzymikeonthemic9359]

Absolutely fascinating discussion. May Allah Almighty reward you both and increase you both in love of Him and His beloved ﷺ

[@sayyedmuneeb7126]

First from Pakistan🇵🇰

[@ayyazsiddique5381]

JazakALLAHukhairan

[@homtanks7259]

JazakAllah'u khairan , very insightful

[@everyzylrian]

What was one insight you got from this video?

[@Unholycrumpet]

I was expecting some pretty bigoted stuff on here based on my experience growing up evangelical, but I never learned the distinction between metaphysical and methodological naturalism. Thanks for the information!

[@Wildergeist]

Nice pun on the Beatle fan 😀

[@BloggingTheology]

😎

[@murthe-wise535]

Love you two brothers

[@DAWAHTIME1]

it would have been more helpful if there was a slideshow. and for a novice it would have been helpful as well to lay down basics about theory of evolution, protagonist's opinion, response rather than jumping straight into terms and positions.

[@HussainFahmy]

*_Masha'Allah Dr Ahmad._*

[@abdulmujeeb8764]

Thank you Paul for bringing such a most amazing speaker I must say this video has cleared many of misconceptions and understand traps laid and fallacies forced to swallow. Well i think this video along with other help reinterpret assumptions and narrations and I also thank Paul for brining to notice and recommending academic discourse to general audience and all the best for subboor ahmed for his upcoming book

[@suswar7474]

MaashAllah, may Allah bless you, brother Paul, for this amazing channel. This is really what we need, especially being in the west

[@wishlist011]

c. 8.53 "What are some of the assumptions?" The first claim is that Intelligent Design is dismissed as pseudo-science because it unjustifiably rules out immaterial causes. Why is the intelligence behind the design imagined to be immaterial? Because that's the conclusion the person making this argument is assuming in advance of the supposedly "scientific" enquiry! This is a prime example of just one reasons why Intelligent Design isn't considered serious science. Some of its advocates had the wit to seek to distance themselves from the idea that the designer must be supernatural. They tried hard in the US courts to make their case. They did not succeed. And here we have a fine example of why. It doesn't take much for even someone educated in the philosophy of science to slip up and give away their actual presumptions. It could have been a much shorter court case if Subboor Ahmad had taken to the witness stand only to immediately shoot himself in the foot instead of someone like Behe.

[@iiddrrii6051]

I’d like to better understand this angle. How can one accommodate ID? Is it falsifiable or testable? Personally, I think ID is possible, but there’s no way of testing it AFAIK.

[@althafmohammed7670]

MASHALLAH good to see you brother Subboor

[@salsal8160]

As'salamu alykum brother Paul 1st one today haha

[@BloggingTheology]

Wa alaykumu s-salam

[@user-ib9of6dm5n]

@@BloggingTheology Brother Paul have you considered coming to any Russell group unis in central london as LSE, Kings, and UCL among others to speak?

[@Naamra123]

I'm not going to watch it now, but very soon during iftar I will watch this. It will be the best iftar of my life as I get to watch Paul Williams will doing iftar.

[@teenaakhir9105]

What a gem of an interview!..loved ❄️💙 this so much..had to admit I watched this twice to fully grasp the whole context of the discussion ...JZK May Allah SWT rewards you both! 💙❄️

[@ishmammohammadadnan1525]

17:14 Russell was actually an agnostic per his own admission. 26:12 Dawkins is technically an agnostic as well.

[@markward3981]

Many atheist if one gets them to think and leave dogma often find they are more agnostic than atheist.

[@MamaMama-sv3b]

Richard Dawkins also become agnostiv

[@jesan733]

@@MamaMama-sv3b you should also be agnostic or atheist.

[@jesan733]

@@markward3981 there's no dogma there, only in religion.

[@javedahmedlaskar245]

The most simplest form life virus still need a well organised host cell medium to replicate and they say a simplest cell formed on earth and start replicating out of itself to form some complex structures.

[@snakejuce]

Viruses aren't alive.

[@skepticalzostrianos9875]

@@snakejuce Thats still up for debates, some scientists believe it is alive while some don't

[@sacredrider]

@@snakejuce that depends on the definition of life though, no?

[@snakejuce]

@@skepticalzostrianos9875 There is no debate at all. Viruses are NOT living things. No one debates this, and no one thinks this except the unlearned. I suggest you research.

[@snakejuce]

@@sacredrider Viruses are not made out of cells, they can't keep themselves in a stable state, they don't grow, and they can't make their own energy. Viruses are not living things. Viruses are complicated assemblies of molecules, including proteins, nucleic acids, lipids, and carbohydrates, but on their own they can do nothing until they enter a living cell. Without cells, viruses would not be able to multiply. Therefore, viruses are not living things.

[@wins9315]

Thank you so much and may Allah guide us along to the straight path. May Allah show us the straight path

[@rachidelmhaoud7199]

May God bless you, a valuable and very important topic nowadays.

[@user-ln3np3ws1w]

You're working great sir, try inviting Hamza Yusuf sir too on your channel.

[@behrammuhammad6355]

When I was struggling and was shocked by the questions asked by my close friend. I couldn't find the answers, I come to know about Ustadh Hamza Tzortizs I literally find my self getting more Muslim then before I was. I was intellectually satisfied then. I also had questions about Evaluation as well, by the grace of Almighty, I came to know about Brother Suboor through IERA and got the answers concerning evaluation. Today I come to know that brother Saboor was also motivated by Ustadh Hamza Tzortiz❤ both are gems may ALLAH bless them all. Love this channel Blogging Theology❤

[@jesan733]

It's called the "backlash effect". Often when people have false beliefs and then get to know true information, they search for confirmation of those false beliefs and then when they learn the defenses of the false beliefs, they hold these false beliefs even more strongly than before. It's very sad. Evolution from common descent has been conclusively proven and there's mountains of evidence. You should try to learn about this evidence instead of seeking these pseudo-scientific rebuttals. Only then you will be able to find the truth and become stronger.

[@noorjawad283]

Thank you very much 😊

[@hmehdi2644]

As Muslims we should not object to evolution per se. The issue of real contention from a theistic persepective is about unguided evolution, which neo-darwinism promotes through the concept of accidental random mutation and natural selection. However, guided evolution can be an acceptable theory and it appears to be supported by the Quran at a high abstract level. There are many supporting verses in the Quran on this phenomena. We should always be open and accepting of what science discovers but critical with how the scientific discoveries are interpreted. Atheistic neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory is only an interpretation of some scientific discoveries, such as the common genetic structure of all biological life. The Muslim world should follow Allah's instruction to discover the origin of creation by moving and researching the earth, rather than sitting still and relying on books written hundreds of years ago. We cannot discover the secrets of nature through mental contemplation and abstract level theories. We need to get into the detail and this requires a new science revolution in the muslim world. Unfortunately, most muslim resources are not prioritised on this area as we seem only able to showcase modern expensive stadiums for a football world cup for a few weeks.

[@jesan733]

Islam claims special creation of mankind from clay. We know that's wrong, and thus we know islam isn't true. Also, since we can see evidence of evolution in genomes, providing us a tree of life, why should we speculate about some kind of guided evolution? It makes little sense that god would go through billions of years of slow, tiny genetical tweaks to just make it look like evolution is true when it actually isn't.

[@HeadeBeast]

Need another one with Suboor

[@JohnnieWalkerGreen]

I have a problem relating the first 10 minutes of this video to the title "Islam, Evolution, and Darwinism." Why didn't you start with "What is Darwinism," and how is Darwinism related to the book Darwin wrote? How many have read that book anyway?

[@NanoAlawi]

It’s beautiful to see Saboor’s with his nice character Ma sha Allah and brother Paul. May Allah bless both Ameen

[@moinuddinkhan593]

This dialogue went above my head, Please answer my simple question, 'Are we slowly evolved from the common ancestry of monkeys or chimpanzees?? & how Adam being first man fits to that?? '

[@MamaMama-sv3b]

It’s nothing just frude they don’t believe that Adam was mirecoles creation if they accept evolution is wrong then creation right they want to scince to descover everything

[@Incandescence555]

God bless you both brothers

[@AdrianMuslim]

Brilliant discussion.

[@AtvVibes]

ماشاءاللہ ❤❤

[@tijjanisalisu1225]

Jazakallahu bi kyair Sir ❤

[@JamieDelour]

Thank you for the enlightening discussion, will check out Shoaib's book!

[@abuyousufsumon1739]

Excellent discussion, but it was too Short 😑

[@serenevalor]

I haven't even started, and I am so excited! Salamalikum to all in the comments section! 👋

[@BloggingTheology]

Wa alaykumu s-salam

[@hyaakanma7179]

I remember a discussion we were having in class with our Genetics Professor. He mentioned that evolutionist think species change over long periods of time via mutations that occur in the genome sequence. But my Prof. actually thought that because genetic mutations can occur in species, that’s actually proof that they can’t evolve into different new species. Mutations occur to help species with the adaptation process. It gives it a new mechanism for survival, and gives it a range of possible characteristics. There’s an experiment done on the bacteria E. coli, where it was grown under severe conditions for quite some time, and at the end of the experiment the E. coli remained E. coli. Also in organisms, like humans, when mutations occur, they effect superficial things like height and eye color, but when significant mutations occur they cause diseases, that can kill a person, which hinders the passing of “new genes” to offsprings. Sorry I’m not very articulate, Prof. explained it way better.

[@unknownpng650]

thank you for you comment , jazaka laho khayran

[@jesan733]

Actually there's been experiments with bacteria where they've evolved to be able to consume (get energy from) nutrients that they couldn't before. So experiments have seen the evolution of new function.

[@hyaakanma7179]

@@jesan733 like I said, they evolved to develop characteristics that will ‘cement’ their existence. They’re not transforming into a new specie.

[@jesan733]

@@hyaakanma7179 a bacteria which can metabolise other nutrients is very much a new species. Also, there's ongoing gradual speciation right now in nature. For instance, lions and tigers can still hybridize. That means they're still splitting away, their speciation isn't fully complete yet because they're still somehwat genetically compatible. There are thousands of such examples with various levels of hybridization potential.

[@hyaakanma7179]

@@jesan733 First of all animals like “Ligers” and mules can’t reproduce, so that’s the end of that. Secondly a bacteria that can metabolize other nutrients it couldn’t before is still a bacteria, it didn’t transform into a bird or bear. It was a bacteria, and it still is a bacteria. If you believe your ancestors were monkeys, then speak for yourself 😆. Mine were always human starting with Adam and no one before him.

[@HumanbyGod]

It is a favor of Allah that he created things on earth in a leading steps so it becomes easy for us to understand the creation. Think what if all were in random pattern than how difficult it would be our life ... Isn't Allah the creater made it easy. Alhamdulillah!

[@Andalus710]

Absolutely amazing vlog.

[@haledhajdari1154]

So many answers here and lots of inspiration. Thanks to you both amaizing gentlemen !

[@zasyed114]

Instead of denying ID what muslims should do is try to find design in every phenomenon for which we have a natural explanation. We know that rain takes place due to condensation of clouds but the design part is this 1. The distance of earth from sun is accurately sun to allow water to exist in liquid, vapour (and ice) form. 2. The atmospheric pressure us precisely set. 3. Earth size, earth mass and earth speed of roration are all parameters which need to be fine tuned so that we get the value of small g that we have today. These factors though appear are to be natural causes, but are fine tuned and intelligently designed so that earth can have oceans and rain.

[@AyubKhan-md4km]

Assalaamwalequm my esteemed Brothers. I hope your Ramzaan is going well. It's always such a pleasure hearing you both when it comes to receiving Dawah. Brother Hamza Tzortzis's debate with Lawrence Krauss was such a gratifying experience for viewers like me because all of Lawrence's petulant approach and nerdy disdain toward Islam, coated with his haughtiness, was completely ripped to shreds by brother Hamza's amazingly cool and logically approach backed by his impeccable and enviable knowledge on subjects pertaining to the debate. It was exhilarating seeing all of Lawrence antics of disregarding the debate procedures, been taken on by brother Hamza and rendering a decisive knockout punch to every argument raised by Lawrence. Brother Subboor, your discussion at speakers corner with Rob the Atheist was another gem. Thanks to your vast knowledge and understanding on the subject, it was exhilarating watching you expose Rob's pontification about Evolution, clearly as a complete hoax Brother Paul, your amazing channel Blogging theology along with your amazing clips on #no-design is something that I eagerly watch. We truly are blessed by Allah (SWT) to have amazing daiees like you on the side of Islam. May ALLAH (SWT) protect, guide and bless you all for all the amazing work you all are doing. Jazzak Allah khair my brothers

[@jesan733]

This was 8 months ago. Have you changed your mind since? There's mountains of evidence for evolution from common descent and that humans are part of it. I would suggest that it's better to learn the science than to watch debates and tell yourself that your team won.

[@AyubKhan-md4km]

@@jesan733 if life on earth began with the biological cell, then what programmed the factory within the cell that scientist have only discovered now? Science only reiterates that there is an entity that has not only coded DNA but and all living organisms but also the universe. If you look at the Golden ratio or the Fibonacci sequence within nature, it all points to intelligence that is embedded all around. For the information to exist, there has to be a code giver. Here is what science has discovered about what was considered something not to intricate, which is a cell kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpDXiqWkq8SibKMsi=KSMj1b1louk9PYq9

[@durdonabakhtiyor2534]

I don't think these people like Richard Dawkins do believe what they actually believe, but because their career was built on this theory, they can't accept the truth. Thank you, uncle Paul, it was a pleasure to listen to this discussion, and even though my English is not that good enough I was engrossed by this topic.

[@jesan733]

It's the opposite. Dawkins etc understand the evidence, and that's why they know it's true. However muslims have invested so much into their religion so they can't accept the evidence and the truth.

[@jesan733]

Richard Dawkins absolutely believes it, because evolution is true and he understand it to be true.

[@Rico-Suave_]

Ok video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched all of it 1:23:05

[@Seeker-ec1dd]

The problem with a intelligent designer is that you cannot explain who/what created the intelligent designer, and secondly considering the nature of the universe the intelligent designer would have to be infinitely so complex that it would be practically impossible for such a thing to exist. The next argument against religion is that whatever evidence we have is contrary to the myth that humans evolved from Adam and Eve.