Islam, Evolution and Darwinism | Subboor Ahmad

www.iera.org - In an age of science and reason, novel questions are being raised about Islam's relationship with science and in particular Darwinian evolution, this lecture will cover the:
1) Relationship between science and certainty,
2) Why Darwinian theory is based on a probabilistic framework,
3) Why it's assumptions are beginning to be challenged and the disputes that exist about it's most fundamental ideas,
4) Darwinism as a religious and ethical system,
5) Islamic stance on the Darwinian Theory.
This talk was delivered at Oxford Brookes University in March 2017
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[@bosverismi1088]

thank you for turkish subtitle

[@Edu1923]

Not very often you come across a video you cannot summarize because every second is vital. Let’s make sure to keep this video on KZbin. Critical for up and coming generations.

[@Robert-vm8vw]

This video is very misleading. It does not fit with the Adam and Eve story, so they try to put the theory in doubt. But the evidence gathered over the past 150 years is so vast, that the theory is extremely solid. There don't exist serious biologists who doubt the theory. Only religious people who know it only superficially.

[@AY-oi3hv]

@@Robert-vm8vw He literally lists Atheist evolutionary biologists that don't believe in darwinism 😂. They do have other evolutionary models.

[@AY-oi3hv]

@@Robert-vm8vw seems like you didn't watch the video or you're scared your bubble is bursting 😂😂😂

[@Robert-vm8vw]

@@AY-oi3hv I said 'serious' biologists. People that made a contribution to the science of biology. Off course there are linatics in every field, so you can always name somebody who does not agree. What matters is the scientific consensus after 150 years of research. Something to which muslims did not contribute the slightest bit. Just as in any field of science the past 800 years.

[@user-cd9gk7lj9p]

if you are dumb, I knew this by the time I graduated high school

[@rafayshakeel4812]

A very informative video! May Allah (SWT) grant you happiness, health, and longevity Br. Suboor!

[@SimpleandConscious]

Jazakallahu Khairan Ustadh. Amazing lecture, paradigm shift.

[@cooldunkeljungewien]

Mashallah... so simple and productive... my mind got very clear the first time... thanks brother suboor and iera

[@ismaelsiraj5951]

SubhanAllah! Jazakum Allah Khairan. One of the most beneficial lecture I’ve watched!

[@user-cd9gk7lj9p]

Are you not taught these things in school? What are you taught is school that takes so much of your time?

[@mehmetturk8423]

Thank you so much for doing Turkish subtitle.

[@hadisergan1]

jajakAllah khairan brother

[@alib8396]

Great lecture, Also great is seeing angry atheists posting ignorant comments on this clip similar to that of ignorant theists when they see their religion threatened lol.

[@chimpanzeethat3802]

Evolution is not a religion. This is not an atheist vs theist issue. It's people who understand and accept science vs people who are scientifically illiterate.

[@subwayshah212]

@@chimpanzeethat3802 Darwinism is actually considered as a religion by many in America especially

[@chimpanzeethat3802]

That's because many people think evolution means something it doesn't and involves something it doesn't. The reason it's not a religion is because it doesn't meet any of the criteria necessary to be classed as a religion. Namely, it's not a faith based belief system, it doesn't involve the worship of a supernatural deity, it doesn't say anything about the supernatural at all, it doesn't say anything about the afterlife or promise that some semblance of self continues to exist after the death of the physical form, it has nothing to do with the origins of the universe or its purpose, it has no doctrine or holy text, it has no places where people gather to worship, and it is a directly observable fact of nature.

[@subwayshah212]

@@chimpanzeethat3802 true true, evolution theories by themselves are just scientific models, Darwinism is more of an ideology tho. New atheists popularly push evolution and Darwinism in an attack on religion, not purely for scientific intentions

[@jangohemmes352]

@@subwayshah212 No, religions feel threatened by evolution. Evolution is only pushed forward for scientific intentions

[@khadarjohar4784]

We need this kind of topics

[@user-cd9gk7lj9p]

You answered my question. I was wondering why you already did not have this information? Here in the US that is taught is grade school. high school. college, if you want to pursue a degree in , Geography, Biology, Physics, Astrology, and many other sciences you may do that. What have you been being taught?

[@mnizam84]

Jazakallahu khair..beutifully expalined

[@aizatzain6596]

As someone who doing science and also a Muslim, I don't have any problem with my faith and evolution. Simply because evolution didn't disproof existence of the god or anything related to god. If we look at their objectives and hypothesis, it doesn't mention anything about god. For me, I do respect Darwin with his experiment which I think simply brilliant experiment and observation. However, as someone who is also doing science, we should understand that any experimental results shouldn't lead anything beyond the data can provide, like how atheist rise as a result of evolution theory. The evolution, even if it's true, it doesn't disproof the existence of god. For example, we as a human being are also a creator for a lot of things. So, we understand on how things like smartphone were evolved from earlier computer and phone as they have similarity and progression in common. This example is similar to the theory of evolution, but now our stance as someone who is creation instead of the creator. So, our observation and knowledge are limited. This is why I don't find any problem with evolution and Islam as I'm always aware of the limitation of science and how actually it works. Wallahualam.

[@vbandz2645]

tubetardism 20/20 I wonder how you understand the correlation of path that atheism leads you to nialism

[@GjinYuko]

@tubetardism 20/20 God is allwise, all knowing thats 2 of his names so what he told us is enough because God did let us know what is essential to live with in this Temporary life. Everything else that Science is discovering is just Icing on the cake. Like God says in the Quran ´´He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills.´´ -2:255- So we know already what is important and what is not... jzk

[@GjinYuko]

I hope that you know that Adam as. was the first human being right and that allah swt created him with clay and blew the soul in him akhi and has nothing to do with apes..

[@Balstrome1]

Well seeing as science has shown that Adam and Ever did not exist as described, that would call the origin story of humans into question. You can not accept molecules to elephants and reject molecules to humans, when they both use the same theory of evolution. Or to put it another way. you have to show that a god can exist before you start talking about what that god did. Remember, almost everything in the universe that we can point to, science can show how it was developed and how it is maintained. And nowhere is there a need for a god to be involved in doing either creation of maintaince of that things existence. If you claim a god, then you have to show that god first.

[@vbandz2645]

Balstrome1 evolution and and Darwinism haven become synonymous and we need to separate them first to establish the origins of life, secondly this is what atheism has done to, in order to prove something exists you guys want it to be in a lab and experimented and tested to prove its authenticity and that’s impossible with a transcendent deity, the metaphysical has become some what of a myth for atheists but at some point lean towards spirituality and it’s practices, believing in your creator doesn’t do any harm at all to your wellbeing, remember everyone’s an atheist till your in a plane about to crash

[@rajasabirali9856]

Mashallah Learning alot from your lectures

[@BirdofHerm3s]

Finally, You're back!

[@Wilds-pm2sb]

Creepy Write Muhammad was a booty tickler

[@shamsalhedaia2949]

that was rude 😡 I advise you to know Islam more.

[@Wilds-pm2sb]

Shams Alhedaia okay thanks

[@BirdofHerm3s]

+Wild 100s Making fun of prophet Muhammed pbuh, Is the equivalent of spitting at the moon. You aren't going to affect the light it shines on us, You aren't going to make it move from it's position, You are going to make it ANY less important than it is, But actually, The spit it'll come right back at you. Some advice from a brother who only wants the best for you: Just study islam a little, Don't like it? That have nothing to associate with it, No youtube videos, No friends, Nothing. Instead of blindly insulting people.

[@Wilds-pm2sb]

Creepy Write no answer 😂😂😂😂😄😄😄😄😄😂😂😅😅😅😅😅😅😄😄😄😄😄

[@carpediem5645]

Thanks for turkish subtitle

[@heavenlymilano]

Gosh, this is the Ferrari of all non-Darwinian discourse!? Subboor Ahmad, you are on my radar.

[@bitchoflivingblah]

Apart from Subhoor says that evolution is not disputed, i.e. that humans evolved from last universal common ancestor (LUCA) which was a single celled organism. All that Subhoor disputes is that Darwin's Theory accounts for this evolutionary transition. Ironically, he is just as much an evolutionist as Darwin. The literal reading of the Quran and its assertion that we are all descended from Adam and Eve is wrong. These verses are allegorical, as Allah stated that certain verses in the Quran were so, and that only Allah knew which verses these were. However, science has proven that these verses must be allegorical due to the FACT that human are descended from fishes and before that from simpler creatures all the way down to LUCA.

[@bobajaj4224]

Absolutely brilliant. Thank you so much may Allah bless you.

[@adilrasheed]

السلام عليكم ورحمه الله وبركاته Can you please mention the name of the books which you told in the beginning of this lecture

[@AzeemUrRehman]

MashAllah Profound

[@kubush]

Lol

[@user-ln1it2yj2z]

Speechless

[@lght6311]

it would be amazing if brother subhoor spoke with yasir qadhi

[@aimanabdullah5712]

Jazaak Allahu Khairan

[@mohammedhasan800]

I would just like to clear something up a little bit. The idea that you are talking about how some similarities between species are not due to common ancestry is very true and an interesting argument, but the Darwinian explanation to the best of my knowledge for that is convergent evolution, which is the idea that maybe the bat and bird both evolved wings separately because they both needed to fly efficiently and the best way for both species to do that in their environment was to evolve wings, in other words the characteristic of wings was beneficial to both species for the purpose of flying therefore both evolved it for their environments. I am only trying to explain this phenomenon and allah knows best

[@mianaliakbar8716]

Dear brother it is Allah

[@aiyazashraf]

Yes, That's what is in our books.. And there's Adaptive radiation.. Yes,It is more "Analogous organs" which indicate Evolution Branching descent and Natural Selection are the two key concepts of Darwinian theory of evolution.. More confusingly there are numerous examples in nature of Analogous organs and branching descent.. All Darwin did was to set up an idea with some evidence, those who followed him cemented his ideas and modified them.. The problem as to why they are an existential threat to Religions across the world is the mishandling and outmost rejection of the idea..

[@revidz7523]

Hmm, like a different parts of tree Log decided that we should evolved in pencils according to our environment and necessity, others evolved into match sticks according to theirs, some into chairs, tables...etc....

[@MA-gu2up]

You don't get wings merely because you need them, there are huge changes required for wings I think, and somehow some similar changes happened in both of them(this for me requires serious belief), merely because evolutionists put a name on this thing, doesn't mean they solved this thing.

[@abeliever6192]

@@revidz7523 Lol that's some serious mocking brother 😅

[@sarahhopeful6683]

Beautiful lecture that should be viewed by all Muslims.

[@asaadhusein5063]

amazing video masha'Allah

[@mohammadsamith7357]

Brother, why did you give the turkish subtitle instead of English? 😐 However, I am a Bangladeshi

[@ot4579]

❤️❤️❤️

[@najeemfazil2219]

Assalamualaikum... Hello people can l get the paper of this presentation..I too searching this for my Islamic research...or any websites regarding this... kindly bring to my reply blog....plzzzz..

[@revidz7523]

Go to Sapience institute website, that may help you, there are some books regarding these topics.

[@shamsia_rahimi8717]

❤ Subboor Ahmad ❤

[@rikorime]

Tabaraka allah

[@user-wv1mg7ue8b]

veryyy beautifull lecture jazaka lahu khayran !

[@nikey365nikey3]

What does @Beybaba Efendi trying to tell us can anyone clarify him

[@alimanalislam7983]

Salam alaykoum dommage que ce n est pas traduit en français

[@zanultimazan]

seems like many people have a severe misunderstanding on what is an observation vs interpretation/theory also, even though many athiests take darwinism as truth and as an intellectual attempt for justification of athiesm, darwin himself was never an athiest

[@charlievaughan1308]

I was brought up catholic I do not practice any religion, as I believe all religions promote irrational thinking. However, having said that there are plenty of scientists who are devout Catholics who have no problem accepting evolution.

[@horemopik2152]

@@charlievaughan1308 most scientist till 18th century were religious muslims in andalus,etc in china,india

[@chimpanzeethat3802]

Seems like you have a severe misunderstanding of the difference between a scientific theory and a theory in the colloquial sense of the word.

[@user-tx9hp7os3v]

👍👆

[@salvadoralvarado8685]

the tree of life is constructed not only on some anatomical similarities among different species, but also on dna sequences, this has shown that even very distant species have very important similarities, for example, humans and bacteria share the same genetic code for the synthesis of proteins and the same organelles to perform the process, in other words, the similarities that you see in nature have been experimentally demonstrated, they are NOT assumptions as mr ahmad is suggesting, the problem is not in the theory of evolution but in the islamic idea of evolution

[@bitchoflivingblah]

All great points made by yourself. Subhoor arguments are extremely poor. His objections to the lack of certainty (all scientific theories have to be falsifiable!!!!) and the scatter graph example of alternative theories (nobody would dare publish a graph like the one he showed except to disprove an experimental claim or to show no clear correlation/association exists). This is a silly talk designed merely to obfuscate, muddy the waters, confuse, and above all make him sound if he knows what he's talking about - which he doesn't. Some muslims read the Quran literally, and because Darwin's Theory contradicts the genesis of Man by the creation of Adam and Eve in the Quran (and Bible), they want to dispute its relevance as an explanation for the appearance of the diversity of life. That is about the sum of it. The irony is that Allah states that some verses in the Quran are allegorical and that only Allah knows which verses these are. The verses related to the birth of man through Adam and Eve could be one of the allegorical verses but muslims in general resist this explanation.

[@thegoblin957]

26:13 no evolutionary biologist has suggest to expalin this trend the pink and blue diveded was 1950s fashion trend

[@sounakbanerjee1892]

Your spellings speaks volume about your knowledge

[@thegoblin957]

@@sounakbanerjee1892 is this the best you got? sad.

[@sounakbanerjee1892]

@@thegoblin957 no I got better answers but you won't understand because of the spellings

[@thegoblin957]

@@sounakbanerjee1892 non sequitur and this is also a ad hominem. great job buddy

[@chutrra]

ok so what are your thoughts on rana dajani, shes a muslim scientist, just watch a video of her a hour long entitled islam and evolution, is there a controversy ?

[@laithbany]

i want him to dive in the story of adam and the various interpretations of that story in various parts of the Quran

[@Heldan]

Subtitles are only available in Turkish...

[@potgardeningu.k.81]

Most of the time philosophy get into science , which is supposed to be based on facts and plain and straight forward.... Like there are 2 types of cells, animal and plant cells , that's why there are so much similarities .

[@neilwilliams2883]

I think it would be more correct to say that science is or should be based on the observation of data, not facts. Facts are difficult to find.

[@arifzuhayri7230]

@@neilwilliams2883 Yup thats true

[@PizzaPenguin650]

​@@neilwilliams2883that is a good distinction

[@justkidding6038]

Plz I want English captions 😭

[@ashhadkalam8995]

You can still select english

[@Suspectnumber203]

This is amazing it’s gives so much proof and the truth amazing video MASHALLAH

[@bitchoflivingblah]

Darwin's Theory of Evolution is our best explanation for the evolution of diversity of life. Nobody disputes evolution occurred, human evolved from a common ancestor of ours and chimpanzees - we have the DNA evidence to prove this. We are related to gorillas, again proven by DNA evidence. We have fossil evidence of earlier hominids. What this shows us is that the biblical and quranic version of the birth of man through Adam and Eve is wrong, unless we treat such verses in each book as allegorical (which in the case of the quran we are told by Allah may be the case anyway). I refer you again to the first sentence, Darwin's Theory is our best explanation and hasn't been supplanted yet, or even be close to be challenged by an alternative hypothesis. Subhoor's contention is that we can only surmise why acquired traits exist, this is true, but we know how they came about through genetics and again the best explanation for their acquisition is given by Darwin's theory. Subhoor make a very weak case for challenging Darwin, the lack of certainty and the scatter graph. First of all lets look at Quantum Theory which predicts certain physical properties to an accuracy of ten decimal points. That in anybody's book is as good as certain. As the same time Quantum Theory is falsifiable, that is the nature of science, you should be able to challenge any theory, and if an exception occurs then either throw away the previous theory and adopt the new one or modify the old one to take into account the new observation. So the lack of certainty in a theory applies to all theories not just Darwins, and so this is a lamentable attempt to distract the audience with hogwash. The second attempt to hoodwink the audience is to present the data for a theory as being like a scatter graph. Again, this is a diversion attempt, poor, ill judged and doomed to failure when pitted up against the mountain of data, observational, fossil, DNA, anatomical, physiological that backs up Darwin's Theory.

[@Nada_mohammedd]

‏ماذا تعني كلمة Evolution بالضبط ☺️

[@Nada_mohammedd]

‏خلاص عرفتها تعني التطور لكن شكيت فيها

[@shandeberg1052]

im trying to comment sumtin

[@Balstrome1]

No. 11:06 Newtons theories of motions are still relevant today, they just do not work on the very large and the very small scales of the universe. Einsteins theories work to provides answers where Newton could not go, the very small and the very large. Both sets of theories are still in use for the areas they were designed for.

[@bigmax5780]

That's what he said

[@nikey365nikey3]

Dont be islamophobic watch the video with full concentration

[@spacetardigrade8277]

@@nikey365nikey3 How is that Islamophobic? (btw islamophobia is an awful definition for the hatred of Islam)

[@nikey365nikey3]

@LC fact means details

[@Balstrome1]

What is science 5:00 the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. The simple easy to understand answer

[@calabisbook]

Bugün, iyi niyetli bir müslümanın veya dindarın yapması gereken, üretilen teorilere sırf inançlarına ters diye karşı çıkmak, lanetlemek değil, onları çağın gereklerine göre bilimsel olarak çürütüp daha yararlı, daha açıklayıcı veya kapsamlı hale getirmek, yeni teoriler geliştirmek ve icatlarda bulunmaktır, vesselam...

[@ultravioletsus]

Elbette, ama özellikle videodan da anladığımız gibi bilimsel teorilerin dini öğretilerin aksine kesinlik bildirmediğini, bu sebepten dolayı dini öğretileri yargılarken bilimsel teorilerin ışığı altında bunu yapmanın sağlıksız olduğunu anladık. Bugün İslam'a veya herhangi bir dine karşıt olan bir bilimsel teori kabul görse dahi bu yarın değişebilir, gelişebilir veya hepten yok olabilir.

[@calabisbook]

@@ultravioletsus ???

[@ultravioletsus]

@@calabisbook soru işaretini neden koyduğunuzu anlamadım, sizin dediğinizi tasdik ettim ama sadece özel bir kısıma dikkat çekmeye çalıştım. Hatam varsa belirtin lütfen.

[@sukaipenn8810]

Freedom peace and Blessings 🥕🥕🥕

[@jabbarkhan1388]

If urdu translation available it's more beneficial for who living in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan.

[@Basalat]

Insha'allah we are working on that.

[@Ihsan_khan00]

With out God in a discussion, every thing becomes lie. God is light of heavens and earth.

[@Baphomet--]

God of the gaps?

[@Herman47]

What the speaker does not say is that Muhammad told his followers that the god of the universe created the first human beings, and that evolution puts forth that the first humans were mild genetic mutations arising from nonhuman parents.

[@GeckyWecky]

Can you provide a source?

[@abdullahkhobaer334]

Please publish ur theories in some peer reviewed journals if u can And it seems that u have problems in some basics

[@Ameen_Khair]

Ohh really !! What according to u r the basics?

[@abdullahkhobaer334]

@@Ameen_Khair read science book specially books written about evolution,,also learn about some logical fallacies,,these people use it often. And sadly they talk about science but says science changes,,it is not complete truth🤣🤣

[@Ameen_Khair]

@@abdullahkhobaer334 The word they say Science Changes.. Yes it does Earlier Science said Moon's light is its own light not a reflected light where as Quran said Moon is a reflected light of Sun 1400 yrs ago, and Now it's proved that what Quran has said, science proved wrong... In Science there are theories more than facts, and let me tell u theories often change according to time and discoveries and facts remain intact, and Evolution is the Darwin's theory not fact there are many scientists who totally deny Darwin

[@abdullahkhobaer334]

@@Ameen_Khair it seems that u donot have any idea what is theory and hypothesis, firstt learn that. And good luck learning and finding pseudo science from quran,,good luck

[@abdullahkhobaer334]

@@Ameen_Khair so show some scientists who deny darwinian evolution,and tell them to publish their theories in some peer reviewd journals,i will show thousands of scientists who use darwinian evolution everyday

[@user-cd9gk7lj9p]

I accept your apology for being wrong about evolution. Befoer you try this again ask your questions to the computer , you won't go wrong.

[@tanmayahmed4622]

Evolution should first answer the most fundamental question. How it explain creation of universe (i.e creation from nothing).

[@Baphomet--]

Why are the religious so fixated on that belief? I never met anyone who actually believes in that point

[@abdullahkhobaer334]

So what about the other species of humans??

[@neilwilliams2883]

Some scientists believe they were simply extinct species of apes... The earth is littered with the fossils of extinct ape species. Many of the so called species of humans were disproven.

[@abdullahkhobaer334]

@@neilwilliams2883 so if they r not humans,why they look so simillar?? and what about so much similarities of dna?

[@neilwilliams2883]

abdullah khobaer first of all, nobody knows what they look like... The pictures we see of them are simply generated from some artists' imaginations. I once heard that you could paint Mozart's face on them if you wanted to. As for DNA, Suboor explained in this video why that is not enough to confirm a genetic link... You can have two completely unrelated species sharing DNA traits... We even share 50% of our DNA with bananas but that doesn't mean we are half banana. Suboor said the theory of evolution has been turned into a quasi-religion and I believe that is 100% true. You can't use evolution to prove who we are. Scientifically, it's a complete mystery.

[@abdullahkhobaer334]

@@neilwilliams2883 thanks,,,let go human,,,,but evolution theory works for other animals doesn’t it?

[@neilwilliams2883]

@@abdullahkhobaer334 it depends of what you mean by 'it works'... Suboor explained that the theory of evolution was not meant show how we evolve into a different species... the only thing that seems quite certain which the theory of evolution explains, is that we adapt to our environment and to a certain extent, natural selection appears to be plausable... but that does not mean we will one day develop wings and fly because we travel to other countries... The same can be said about animals... there's no way that anyone can confirm what species a cat will evolve into in 10 million years because that's simply not observable... you would have to just guess... Honestly, I think the theory of evolution is really just a con... you have to remember that the Victorians were very quick to embrace it because they were losing faith in religion and ever since then it grew and grew and now, it's just an alternative belief system for people who are against religion... that does not make it true.

[@ahnafrashik]

i want book suggestion about learning evolution and islam

[@ziyaaddhorat]

It doesn’t matter. Evolution doesn’t contradict Islam.

[@stenl6383]

To convince someone like me, instead of this talk, you could actually do(or support) some tangible research against Darwinian evolution, get it published in a peer reviewed journal and possibly claim your Nobel prize.

[@pritom7]

Most of the scientist you Atheist do listen to do not have Nobel prize. You are not looking for a nobel laureate to tell you what to believe. You have already made your choice. Confess it.

[@stenl6383]

@@pritom7 Is Nobel prize the topic here? Evidence is. How is any discussion possible when you don't value evidence?

[@tylerdordon99]

@@stenl6383 evidence, you mean like the endless forgeries that were presented as fossils.

[@osamashaaban3985]

There has been many researchs Against Darwinian evolution Just take one .... Michael Behe .. the book called Darwin's black box The thing is the atheist community refuses any thing against it .. its like mafia instead of science

[@cdseventy6435]

@@stenl6383 evolution can neither be disproved nor be proven. Deal with it

[@Jellybean85329]

In summary: Islam does not accept any scientific doctrine that contradicts faith. However, it is okay to still pursue science and to utilize its results. Detailed: The entire video expresses the criticism that the results produced by science are imprecise. However, that's precisely the difference between belief and science. Belief is unwavering, deemed true, and therefore not open to criticism. Science is the pursuit of truth, which includes questioning and correcting itself; self-correction is absolutely integral to it! Different species are shown that share certain characteristics more similar to humans than to their actual related primates. I don't understand what the reference is meant to be. The same task naturally leads to similar solutions. That's also why the pyramids in Egypt resemble those of the Aztecs. Independent solutions for the same problem. 32:44 - "Chimpanzees live in groups of up to 100 and do not have a complex social structure." Social structure is always complex when it is used to enable a group of individuals to work together. In reality, chimpanzees form groups akin to small primitive tribes, engaging in scouting and waging wars against others for resources and territory. They collaborate on tasks and organize themselves hierarchically. The alpha must be strong to ascend to that position, but intelligence is crucial for maintaining it long-term becouse he hast to Look ahead and plan. They form alliances, devise plans and intrigues, engage in romances, betrayals, mourning, and acts of honor. If that's not complexity, what is? 35:10 - it is portrayed as if Professor Denis Noble rejects the entire idea of evolution and considers each of its points as untrue. However, upon closer examination and some research, one can see that Denis has engaged with the topic of evolution in connection with genetics and has labeled each of the previously accepted points as too imprecise and therefore incorrect. He does not reject the whole concept but rather says that there is more to it! In other words, he suggests that we need to continue researching to refine the model, and indeed, the topic is very complex, making it unclear, difficult to understand, and easy to criticize. Some points that Professor Denis Noble has clarified are: 1. Epigenetics: Inherited changes in gene expression without DNA sequence alterations expand the understanding of inheritance. 2. Genetic plasticity: Organisms adjust their gene expression to environmental conditions, challenging the assumption of random genetic changes. 3. Network thinking: Biological systems as complex networks with diverse interactions that go beyond simple causality. 4. Developmental role: Developmental processes influence how genetic variations shape phenotypes, expanding the evolutionary theory. 40:45 - "Darwinism is unique because it's the only theory in the history of science which has morphed from a valid scientific theory into a fully-fledged religion, a political system, and an ethical system." I don't want to read each of the books by the individuals you mentioned just to confirm that you are wrong. I'm taking an easier route here. Where can one join this religion? Where can this party be elected? You have shown yourself, with the literature you mentioned, that the theory, with its dissemination and revolutionary content at the time, caused dissatisfaction, especially among the religiously inclined population, and has had and continues to have an impact on many topics. However, exaggerating the whole issue to evoke a sense of blasphemy in the listener and thus provoke natural rejection is simply incorrect. 49:45 - "Do not speak about what you don't know" sounds like Islam kills science because you can never be really sure what you are talking about and often be misled into thinking you understand. (Then there's the Dunning-Kruger effect). 52:27 - "Any theory in science cannot be absolutely true." Pythagoras would disagree. In fact, Pythagoras was a leader of a religious and philosophical cult that conducted their research in mathematics because he saw it as absolutely true and as a language of God. He also researched mathematics to be closer to God and the truth. He didn't want to become a philosopher because philosophy often relies on morality, which can change over time among the population, rendering its teachings obsolete. He wanted to create something timeless and thus attain a degree of immortality.

[@zillurrahamanmallick8745]

The value of darwin theory of evolution in present time macroevlution is 0 billion usd

[@erTalhaKhan]

You said scientific theory has the highest level/value then what are laws and facts? Heart pumps blood - is a scientific fact and not a scientific theory so I believe scientific facts are above scientific theories?

[@thedominantone4264]

I would recommend you to see the debate between firas zahabi and joe Rogan That will help you a lot to understand the philosophy of science

[@ahmedsohail6191]

It's an observation. Has nothing to do with science.

[@erTalhaKhan]

@@ahmedsohail6191so did we know this before science? Earth is round, planets motion all are observations so it's not science?

[@erTalhaKhan]

@@thedominantone4264I will watch it. I am not denying the philosophy of science.

[@thedominantone4264]

@@erTalhaKhan Are you atheist or muslim? And brother after watching that video just tell me what you think about it

[@reymyskiller]

53:56 science methods came from the muslim world? Oh dear.... what about the antik greeks? The muslim world learned science through translated works of greeks. It had nothing to do with beeing an muslim. the muslim world just translated the work from the greeks and develop is further.

[@dariam2764]

Yes then the europeans took it from the muslims and developed further and now its the chinese turn...

[@reymyskiller]

@@dariam2764 there is a difference in science came from the muslims and science was used by muslims.

[@nikey365nikey3]

Dont shout like an idiot .you are islamophobic go and debate subboor if you can

[@reymyskiller]

​@@nikey365nikey3 iam not islamophobic, iam myself a muslim. Well thats what i would say now if u ask me. in the past it was enough for me to say, this happens cuz god wanted it so. now iam more mature, and i want to know how, and why. I just dont want to belive in things cuz my parents are told me to do so, i want to understand the way how we live. I want to understand why we do things the way we do... I want to question things in order to gain more knowledge, but this path lead my away from religion cuz as an belive you cant now question god, you can not ask why he does that or this. Then i asked my self, why am i sure, that my religion is the only one right and ever other religion wrong? -> i seeked for evidence, but there are none. The other religions have also none -> conclusion i can not belive in something just because my parents did so.

[@samiarashid6769]

@@reymyskiller well you are not wrong. Allah told us to gain knowledge. Keep it up

[@mysta7757]

Can atheists prove that berries that the women foraged for were actually red and not violet for example, let alone them actually existing millions of year prior according to their logic.

[@reymyskiller]

can religion do that? Science isnt absolute, but it is our best way to describe and observe our enviroment. How should i belive in a relgion, which doesnt give any proof at all and just want to belive in my faith? This is not logical.

[@mysta7757]

@@reymyskiller There you go, Science isn't absolute end of conversation. wake me up when you have a better version of it.

[@reymyskiller]

@@mysta7757 wake me up when you have a better version of it.

[@mysta7757]

@@reymyskiller We already had, way before you, when we invented science and you stole the credit and acted like an elitist kind of humans which you are CLEARLY NOT!, Given the chance we do true science while still having faith where you can only pray to science, hope it never fails, copy, and act with elitism and arrogance just like you copied my comment above.

[@reymyskiller]

@@mysta7757 "we invented science " lol say that again. "elitist kind of humans which you are CLEARLY NOT" Never said that. "we do true science while" where? How many studies did islam bring to the world which change our world perspektive? "where you can only pray to science" this show that u dont know anything about science at all. "arrogance just like you copied my comment above" that was a stupid answer in the first place, so i did the same. When i do it its a bad comment, when u do it, its okay? such pathtic human being.

[@rgap3944]

Covid 19 evolution to covid 20.. and it will continue

[@seamus4055]

What are you trying to get at?

[@arifzuhayri7230]

Who the heck dont believe in evolution. We believe in evolution but not darwinism bruh

[@blackgold5848]

It is the muslims who first worked on the theory of evolution.

[@zahiruddin2610]

"WHO ELSE BUT QUAGMIRE"...

[@thegoblin957]

29:34 true and the diffriences bewteen birds and bats show this

[@zillurrahamanmallick8745]

If anyone can prove darwin theory of evolution 70% true then i will give him a prize money of 0 million usd....

[@geraldqueener7861]

so far almost everything he said is false up to 4 minutes into the video.

[@bangladesh408]

Wave of life hypothesis based on what. Assumption, homlogy, or real Figure. The same logic you applying to break the tree of life and forming wave of life, we know wave of life matched with islamic interpretatin more such a 60 hand adam and eve. Come on. We know it

[@rickb.4168]

Religious idea. noun. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. You often describe Atheism or Atheists as having a religion regarding to Evolution. Well please let me know how it ties into this noun. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

[@rouanemounssif1650]

Darwinian evolution is a brilliant Idea But it's lacking several evidential branches. the quran which says: (وَرَبُّكَ الْغَنِيُّ ذُو الرَّحْمَةِ ۚ إِن يَشَأْ يُذْهِبْكُمْ وَيَسْتَخْلِفْ مِن بَعْدِكُم مَّا يَشَاءُ كَمَا أَنشَأَكُم مِّن ذُرِّيَّةِ قَوْمٍ آخَرِينَ) this ayah is literally translated and interpreted into: ( And your Lord is the Free of need, the possessor of mercy. If He wills, he can do away with you and give succession after you to whomever He wills, just as He produced you from the descendants of another people.)[24] this ayaah is seen as explaining that humans are descended from non-humans. To be honest i Agree with some of what Evolution provides but i disagree with The natural selection Part for personal reasons as an amphibian cannot grow dramatically without the intervention of a designer who gives it new genetic information which causes it to change, in any case that's my opinion And suboor made brilliant points.

[@abdurahmanmohamed1786]

Hhhh what the hell are you saying???? Do you know the arabic word [ قوم ] is not used for non-humans??!!!! The Quran mentions about the biological change of life as it clearly says in this quranic verse; ( وقد خلقكم أطوارا), which means " While He has created you in stages?" For further explanation, the first man to be found on this earth, his height was 60 cubits while his lifespan was 1000years. So people were getting shorter interms of height and their lifespans were also shortening upto this date. That is what the Quranic verses is teaching not the way you are saying.

[@rouanemounssif1650]

@@abdurahmanmohamed1786 yes it goes with what i said. Allah doesn't create just like what christians think. There's clearly alot of intelligence in it.

[@Ahmed-bk1gc]

If we are descendents of non-Humans , the who is Adum supposed to be the first human.

[@davidbarriuso4707]

How can you debate evolution with a straight face…

[@hashimbaig8256]

Because he knows its holes

[@davidbarriuso4707]

@@hashimbaig8256 maybe it’s gaps but part of being right is accepting you don’t know everything. And just because I don’t know everything or evolution can’t tell us everything doesn’t mean you can’t deduct what is clearly a made up story by the biggest con artists in history

[@hashimbaig8256]

@@davidbarriuso4707 yeah, but science can never lead to certainty

[@davidbarriuso4707]

@@hashimbaig8256 science isn’t about certainty. Science is about doing the best with what we got. Science can be wrong and when it is it corrects itself. Science is the closest we can get to any for of certainty

[@davidbarriuso4707]

@@hashimbaig8256 agreed but what other forms are you referring to?

[@imsorryyoutube6774]

I've never understood the hatred for evolution in abrahamic religions. It doesn't even conflict that much, and if you ask me, I think the fact that God set up the process of evolution himself through his omnipotence

[@misterx711]

The problem is that it is in direct conflict with the belief(which is found in all abrahamic scriptures) that God created Adam and Eve directly as the first humans rather than humans being descended from primates

[@rickb.4168]

Why do keep on with Darwin? He had many ideas nearly all 8f which have been superseded by scientific advancements. Ih I know its because Darwin was 150 odd years ago, so you use it to try and point out the flaws, we already know what they are....Science found them.

[@reymyskiller]

6:37 this modell of science isnt correct. We already know that only through observation, that we cant find always the truths. This problem is solved in the book "Kritik der reinen Vernuft" from Immanuel Kant. Immanuel Kant solved also the problem of induction. He argued that science does not use induction, and induction is in fact a myth. Instead, knowledge is created by conjecture and criticism. The main role of observations and experiments in science, he argued, is in attempts to criticize and refute existing theories. According to Kant, the problem of induction as usually conceived is asking the wrong question: it is asking how to justify theories given they cannot be justified by induction. Kant argued that justification is not needed at all, and seeking justification "begs for an authoritarian answer". Instead, Kant said, what should be done is to look to find and correct errors. Kant regarded theories that have survived criticism as better corroborated in proportion to the amount and stringency of the criticism, but, in sharp contrast to the inductivist theories of knowledge, emphatically as less likely to be true. Kant held that seeking for theories with a high probability of being true was a false goal that is in conflict with the search for knowledge. Science should seek for theories that are most probably false on the one hand (which is the same as saying that they are highly falsifiable and so there are many ways that they could turn out to be wrong), but still all actual attempts to falsify them have failed so far (that they are highly corroborated). 6:25 science never said, that you our theories is absolutly true, as Kant said, we must lie (making Hypotheses before knowing anything). These Hypothese must be able to be controlled through observertion. A thing that you cant controlled observe cant be called knowledge. Popper said, that you never can have the absolute truth, because you must be able to observe everything (whole universe) which isnt possible for us at the moment. Therefore we only can produce theories, which describes our enviroment in the best possibly way. The religion on the other hand doesnt do this at all. Science is our best way to be able to understand the world in which we live. Religion never answered this topic and never will. To say, that god created the universe isnt a proof, we must be able to see or to observe that. Religion needs to proof his statements. This is a point where religion always failed and will fail. Omar Chayyām demonstraded this problems in many ways with simple logic statements. ill translate one of his statements so you can get the point.: "when we were created by god from mud, god knew what we would do on earth. My sins happend because god ordered me to do it, why am i then getting punished for that in the afterlife?" Its not an accurate translation but you should see the point. logically speaking you can find many problems with god.

[@reymyskiller]

@@globalcoupledances oh made a mistake there. Thanks.

[@nikey365nikey3]

God only punishes the ones who are iggnorant towards religon . God didnt punish adam rather the whole thing was a plan

[@nikey365nikey3]

Well atheists dont have gods

[@nikey365nikey3]

Whats your problem with our religon

[@reymyskiller]

@@nikey365nikey3 where is your prove? You guys cant show prove as always, so why should i care for your statements?

[@jeffallcock4561]

You don't need to disprove science if yr religious belief is unassailable. Because, be honest, you have no need of science or biology or natural history when yr argument ends with a deistic solution.. Simply say you deny all that an stand on yr faith. But you can't,can you?

[@jeffallcock4561]

@@uthmanhanif6321 Except most if not all credible scientists accept evolution as a provable theory of the origins of life on this planet. You may be, should be, critical and skeptical , but unless you have a better (i.e. more provable) alternative to it, evolution still stands.

[@henrylow2248]

Evolution is universal. Takes place for all living things and also for all souls.

[@bangladesh408]

Show me the real data of last 4 billions years ago ( wave of life).

[@sercanfreak1]

Show me God?

[@AlbaMBBT]

@@sercanfreak1 God is not fysik or materialism! How do you want to see that what created everything in existence? You can not even imagen that with your brain! Show me thoughts, conscience and mind, show me what happend 4 bilion years ago? I want to see or touch and smel it lol! I know your grand grand grand grand grand grand grand father existed and i dont need to see him or touch him but i know 100% becouse i see you here! So i reason and i am rational!

[@sercanfreak1]

@@AlbaMBBT So your rationale is that because my grandfather existed thus God exists? wbu Space? you cant see it? Wbu stars you cant see em? Now we'll see the same argument..... and say what about animals on the surface of the sun? you cant see them? they must be real

[@AlbaMBBT]

@@sercanfreak1 No you didnt understand my argument! The person above said: Show me the real data of last 4 billion years ago (wave of life). You said: show me God. So, I said: God, the creator of everything, higher power, is not physical or material! So how do you want to see that what created everything in existence? (even material itself). Your argument was seeing is believing right? So, I said show me thoughts? Show me conscience? Show me the mind? show me what happened 4 billion years ago? I want to see it, touch and smell it, then I believe it! Then I said: I know your grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grandfather existed with 100% certainty, I don’t see him, I have no DNA, no document, np picture but I know 100% that he existed because you are here if he didn’t exist then you would not be here! This was an argument for the one who says seeing is believing! The same way I see the universe, I see the sun, the moon, nature, order, human beings with intellect, morals, feelings, animals and so on! That is why i know there is/must be a God! Some say everything came from absolutely nothing and it was a coincidence! That is impossible because if you have absolutely nothing then you always will have nothing, because from nothing comes nothing! Or those people who say that we are only material nothing les and nothing more? So, there is no differences between you and a phone or a toilet, you both are just material! Let me ask you this: How can death, blind, lifeless and non-rational material chose to create the universe, order, laws, humans with intellect, logic, morals, spirituality, animals, nature and life itself? Does this make sense to you? Is that possible?

[@Shah-iu1bx]

@@sercanfreak1 QUESTION for Question , what an intelligent human being.

[@McCarthyJohn100]

So many misconstrued facts and an obvious misunderstanding of the subject matter. You're wrong so often in this video, the only thing I can suggest is that you try to educate yourself before you contradict yourself. Almost every sentence has an incorrect usage of terms or a completely ignorant interpretation of science and data. You just say stuff constantly that is clearly false, that anyone with a basic scientific understanding would realize that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[@saifujiwara6154]

The scientific debate whether evolution is right or not was over a few decades ago, today evolution is as strong as the theory of gravity, or the theory of electricity.

[@mustfaaboassd]

you need to see the video he prove that this is not the case

[@JoeMorreale1187]

sai fujiwara wishful thinking son and you know it ....

[@saifujiwara6154]

+mustfa assad Evolution is kinda obvious. He is not a scientist he has no idea what he is talking about. Evolution have thousands of evidence. just look at dogs for example, the origin the dog is from wolf, and yet there are dogs the look very different from wolf. this is an example of evolution. kzbin.info/www/bejne/onqooIJrgMmDrMk the place for scientific debates is on the academic forum not on KZbin, do you know why he won't publish his article on the academia? because he is talking nonsense.

[@saifujiwara6154]

You are confusing with religions. Science doesn't want to believe in what human wishes, that is religioun, religious people want to believe in afterlife and heaven, Science only want to discover the truth, i wish god would exist, but there are no evidence. Face it Evolution is the reality, stop believing in fairy tail and imaginary friends(yes, God is imaginary friend for adult). Islam is false, and you know it, you just afraid from death so you want to believe that god and the afterlife exist.

[@JoeMorreale1187]

sai fujiwara the wolf / dog example at best is one of the many examples of MICRO evolution that's all. The extrapolation into macro evolution is not empirical but speculations and assumptions . And to be very frank wishful thinking for atheists and materialists .....

[@fizaimrankhan9341]

My teacher said that in origion of speech there is nothing that human ansector was monkey or chimpanzee. There are other group who tell that fuss

[@mohamedsafa5428]

Dear Bro. Hamza/ Mr. Saboor, Assalamu alaikum Was there species named Neanderthals that lived in the face of earth? If So, does the Quran emphasize them anywhere? Or it's just one among the other communities Allah has destroyed due to their transgressions of Allah's commands. Anticipating your response to enhance or boost up my Eman, bi'idnillah. May Allah reward you for your effort- In Sha Allah. Regards

[@jesan733]

Imagine putting out completely embarrassing content like this, and it never, never goes away. It may still be here in a hundred years from now, and people will ask "who was this Subboor Ahmad", and they will immediately find that first and foremost, he was a front-man science denier for an overgrown sect.

[@jeffallcock4561]

News flash: science changes. As does our understanding, as we learn more. Religion is a dead end. It claims to know everything. It doesn't.

[@ashraffcool]

Jeff Allcock so which means science contradicts its former state and brings a new theory effectually making its former void. How long can we learn and what’s the purpose of that learning. Religion brings a permanent state a state that doesn’t change over time. It brings a beautiful value system that we can abide by peacefully. Science has brought more destruction than any. Be it social or human life.

[@chonejaki6059]

I Just want to ask one question where does islam say that it knows everything ?

[@neilwilliams2883]

The fact that science changes is exactly the point that he made... That's exactly why science cannot lead to absolute truths. As for your statement that religion is a dead end, that's such a massive generalisation that you'd need to do quite a lot of research to really assess that claim. The best discussion I have come across on that topic is Joe Rogan and Firas Zahabi's discussion on science. They did a couple of podcasts so you'd have to make sure you watch the one about science and truth.

[@sobanali9953]

@@ashraffcool yes exactly science is evil says a person writing a comment from a smartphone made with silicone chips which were made from glass. Science brought us where we are today. If you are so against it why don't you go back and live in a cave.

[@ashraffcool]

Soban Ali yo are you our side or their side coz you have a piece of my name.

[@iamaim2847]

You got everything wrong. New theory does not make old one false. It is just shows where it is working, and where it is not. Relativity and quantuum mechanics does not exclude one another. They just work in different conditions. When one stops working, and another starts - it is a question yet to be solved. But when they will be combined, it will not show that one was true, another false. There will be a combination of both, based and confirmed by them. Relativity did not canceled Newton's mechanics, but absorbed it, showed it's limits, breached them, and growen from it. Same will be with biology, evolution has pretty solid evedence. Every new theory will grow from it or will be false from the begining. Atheism demands darwinian evolution - no, it is not true. There will always be many other versions. Eternal world with eternal life for example. "Aliens did it". Time machine. Something we just cant know now. Which of these varianst have proofs - it is another questiion. Stalin was nazi? Rly? The hatred to nazi was so strong, even in modern days when one democrat trying to insult another he uses word fashist. Not because it has any sence. It is just biggest ENEMY marker for russians, even after 70 years.

[@JoeMorreale1187]

Iam Aim so he's got everything wrong has he when your still insisting that Darwinian evolution has ' pretty solid evidence ' ??? You clearcut joker oh😂

[@UnapologeticalMuslim]

Like all swans are white works only if we kill all non-white swans?

[@iamaim2847]

Why killing? I understand you are an islamist, but it is still too far. And solves nothing in the end. Finding first black swan does not cancels all white swans found before. >> Relativity did not canceled Newton's mechanics, but absorbed it, showed it's limits, breached them, and growen from it. Reread this please. Information can not be killed, just developed above past limits. New data - new thory, but it does not mean white swans never was true. Same with evolution, if we will found new life(created, alian,...), which was not from same tree of life as we. Itis not changng all data we had of our life.

[@UnapologeticalMuslim]

There's nothing "Islamist". I'm Muslim. Doesn't stating that all swans are white cancels the existence of black ones?! I know it's true cause there are white swans. but it's not true just because you haven't seen non-white swans.

[@iamaim2847]

You can call that "kill to proof" idea as you want, killing still proofs nothing. >Doesn't stating that all swans are white cancels the existence of black ones?! I already answered this. >>Same with evolution, if we will found new life(created, aliEn,...), which was not from same tree of life as we. Itis not changng all data we had of our life. Theory does not tells "another life is impossible". It is just tells us what is this life. There is no theory about imposibility of black swans, just about this swan is white. And it will not be changed with descovering new one. Btw, computer viruses in IT is example of another life. It is created, nobody questins this. But does it changed any data about biological life?

[@yusufkabuli8713]

He keeps trying his nonsense. Thanks for that by the way.

[@mosopinie4097]

Yusuf Kabuli Come with solid arguments

[@madbullmadbull6386]

Y Kabuli?

[@xuhan1981v]

After wasting 10 min my life time, I can confirm that Subboor don't understand classical mechanics at all, let alone any modern physics.

[@rukaiya8706]

you atheists have life? isnt your full life just a wastage? no purpose

[@xuhan1981v]

@@rukaiya8706 Everyone should explore their own meaning of life. if you can find the meaning of your life, then your life is not wasted. For myself, the meaning of MY life is trying my best to understand nature. I don't think I am atheist, in my opinion, god may exist, but I won't let it control my life. My altitude towards god is, respect it and keep away from it.

[@xuhan1981v]

@Crow of Judgment No evidence for God’s existence nor nonexistence. That’s why God may exist.

[@xuhan1981v]

@Crow of Judgment it seems that theist believe in something without questioning , and without asking for evidence. It means that theist can be easily cheated. For me, asking questions and exploring the unknown is my purpose of life.

[@arifzuhayri7230]

@@xuhan1981v Ah yeah, I liked thinking. Yeah maybe thats why I’m sure god exists, I probably knew that when I was like 12-13. Also, thanks to thinking, I know why quran I chose, not gospel, Old Testament or whatever. Tbh, when a muslim doesnt think, he doesn’t do god’s commandments. “Why dont you think?”

[@AliBaba-yv2qx]

wwwshareislamcom. and wwwscienceislamcom exposed these muslim nowwwwwww

[@jgestiot]

You could have had the same lecture by leaving Islam totally out of it. Islam does not belong in a lecture about science. Islam as with any other religion is totally irrelevant to the work performed by science. To include Islam as part of a talk about science it an attempt to give clout to something that has nothing scientific going for it.

[@jgestiot]

So they can talk about Islam and leave science out of it. Science and religion do not mix.

[@waheedali2429]

JG Estiot that's your believe but we are Muslims not Christian

[@jgestiot]

Muslims and Christians believe in the same kind of total rubbish. It is not my belief, it is a fact that religion is the almost complete opposite of science.

[@waheedali2429]

JG Estiot well you havd to give me evidence that islam is opposite of science you are entitle to your opinion wich is only opinion not fact

[@jgestiot]

Very simple. Science gathers evidence and derives conclusions from the analysis of the evidence. Religion starts from the conclusions and try to make the world fit within the model. Science can change any of its hypothesis if new evidence comes to light. Religion cannot change anything. They are the opposite of each other.

[@PiperTMTotalWar]

Evolution has been proven. To argue against it is just dumb.

[@iwishb13yearsago62]

You're close minded af

[@chimpanzeethat3802]

No, he's right. Evolution has already been proven logically and mathematically. It's a demonstrable fact of population genetics, it's directly observed in real life, and new species have evolved in your own lifetime. It doesn't disprove the existence of God, there is no reason to challenge it.

[@chimpanzeethat3802]

*facepalm* All scientific theories are for subjects that have been repeatedly confirmed through observations and experiments. The subject matter of a scientific theory is fact, the scientific theory explains why.

[@reymyskiller]

@@nurszoneofficial9093 nah mate, you are the fool here. Evolution is a fact, we can and have observed it. So Relgion needs change his directions otherwise it wont survive long.

[@ahmedmunna2280]

Science already proved it evolution a observation which is fact, but Darwin's theory of evolution just a philosophy by Darwin which is wrong it's proven by morden science. Most of the scientists agreed that Darwin's theory is wrong, but some of atheist still believe in Darwin theory, you told you need scientific proof and science already discovered that Darwin's theory of evolution is a myth

[@alexeikyznetsov9507]

He tried to wear me down with his invalid arguments but I still managed to watch the whole video!! Me 1 God 0

[@JoeMorreale1187]

Alexei Kyznetsov truth hurts doesn't it ? How foolish that that you insist on in vainly worshipping your whims and desires .....