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[@bobmac3724]

Dougs arguments are always nuanced. Never clean cut and dry. I love this because the world is very nuanced, rarely is his argument as cut and dry as i would like it to be. Makes my understanding better

[@benjamingallows]

This is a very nuanced take. I disagree with it ultimately, but I do see some common grounds in the particularities of what’s being said and for that, I’m refreshed. But don’t think I’ve let my guard down. That would be like going to the ball without a dance partner. More on that later.

[@Utjb27]

@@bobmac3724 yes but that nuance makes it divisive when he nuances his way to insinuating people are in sin when they are not i.e. anti-Semitic for wanting a traditional nation as defined by everyone prior to the 20th century. But then when you try to explain that to him down he pivots with nuanced analogies from Narnia (or calls you a fed)

[@andrefontenele7095]

@@benjamingallows 🤣🤣

[@benjamingallows]

@@Utjb27 many of my detractors apparently have taken up the hobby of looking at me sideways. Not that I mind being sideways, Paul certainly was. What shouldn’t be missed here though is the nature of these sideways glances. Because everyone can acknowledge that sideways glances are good and right, as far as they go. But when you are the one with your gyroscopic head titled off axis, you are last person anyone, especially yourself, that should expect you to be able to know when to stop leaning. For these matters, I take the example of Rahab. Was she a traitor or a godly woman doing the work of God himself? Perhaps you could ask the same thing of me, just be sure to keep your wheels aligned when you do.

[@ikantspell]

Good thing Christ wasn’t nuanced

[@OscarSchneegans]

Hey Pastor Doug, if you haven't already, could you publish a blog/video about an immigrant's obligations to the nation? Thanks.

[@Yesica1993]

Immigrants are not the current issue. (In America.) The issue is Illegals.

[@ChaosXE]

The King's Hall podcast from a few days ago was really eye-opening. It seems like Pastor Doug is not seeing things clearly at the moment.

[@HuttoCitizen]

Really appreciate Ogden and Georgetown TX more these days.

[@moloney_overall71]

It's sad forsure. I hope Doug starts realizing he has a presupposition that he needs to break down

[@theMolluskMan]

This man has the power to end the conflict with Ogden and Georgetown charitably, honorably, and biblically. 2025 will see if he chooses the peace of Christ or continues to pump the bellows of chaos and division.

[@shannontederoff246]

Would love to see these camps reconcile. I think the majority of listeners are asking for it. DW is known to be so charitable but that doesn’t seem to be the case with his CN bros😢

[@theMolluskMan]

@@shannontederoff246 The longer DW withholds the olive branch (without the ultimatum of renouncing sins of which the accused are not guilty), the more reasonable people will see him as the real problem, and worse- the more people are going to start seriously examining the issues that sparked this conflict in the first place. If Doug doesn't want to see more so-called "Nazi Re-Voicers" popping up in his camp, then he needs to take the spotlight off the topic immediately. Someday, Christians will be ready to have a conversation about what was and was not true, per the history books. But we are a long way from that day if merely asking the question prompts such reflexive ire among our elders.

[@sethfarmer590]

What's the Biblical path?

[@aallen5256]

@@theMolluskMan reasonable people like Holocaust deniers???

[@theMolluskMan]

​@@aallen5256 Depends what you mean by Holocaust deniers. No reasonable person denies that millions of people were locked up in concentration camps, and that many of them died there. But any reasonable person with basic arithmetic skills will eventually realize that 6 million corpses divided by the number of available crematoria (and assuming the ovens run 24/7 without stopping), comes out to around 70 years- more than 10 times longer than the entire war. That doesn't even include the additional 5 million other victims alleged by Elie Wiesel, nor does it acknowledge the fact that the so-called gas chambers (which were neither properly sealed nor insulated to prevent the highly explosive hydrogen cyanide from escaping) were found only in those camps liberated by the Soviet army- a Marxist juggernaut known for pioneering gas executions of political prisoners after the Bolshevik Revolution. The term DARVO comes to mind. By the way, the Russians forgot to bring a camera when they liberated Auschwitz on January 27, 1945. They came back with a film camera a few months later and recreated the liberation event- and, according to Auschwitz's own historians, "reconstructed" the gas chambers in the process. Those are the images you will see in the history books. History is written by the victors, and victors can lie. Mathematics, chemistry, and archaeology cannot.

[@jakedemaggio8649]

This was a fantastic video. I agreed with virtually all of it! For some odd reason there were moments in the video where I felt like he was criticizing or chastising me & I found myself saying “but I agree with you, Doug!” 😂 Btw all this C.N drama is absurd, we all agree with each other on many major issues, I feel like I speak for the vast majority of the audience in that we enjoy both Stephan Wolfe, Doug/Canon, Right Response etc. Even if these guys can’t seem to get along with each other, the rest of us can still enjoy them!

[@Thepiercereport]

That’s the problem with some Presbyterians, they think they have to be at the top of the hierarchy calling the shots. Us Baptists don’t believe we should have a Protestant pope, and that we can have different beliefs on different issues. The pope class think that we need to be destroyed for not submitting to them in all things they say are essential.

[@moloney_overall71]

​@Thepiercereport MacArthurites would say differently

[@Yesica1993]

"Not only does ordered liberty have prerequisites, so also does the arbitrary power of tyranny have prerequisites. Arbitrary power is founded on public immorality. Constitutional order requires public virtue in order to function. True enough. But arbitrary power, tyrannical power, also requires a platform or foundation. That foundation is public immorality. This is why public immorality has been so actively promoted." AMEN to this whole section! "And this is why it really is Christ or chaos." Double AMEN! We're still waiting for those shirts, guys. Just sayin'.

[@davidbutz7590]

Once again you hit the nail on the head Doug. Well done.

[@jamesmiller210]

Happy New Year to you, Pastor Doug and to the entire Wilson Clan. May all of God's great blessings be yours!

[@michaelgiffin2621]

Pastor Doug always sees things clearly. Sometimes, though, it's an effort to keep up with him, which is a measure of his giftedness.

[@Michael_Chandler_Keaton]

Great stuff Doug!

[@willbenson6803]

Wish you would change your views on the Ogden bros. I don’t think you’ve been charitable or right in much of this.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@willbenson6803 if ogden+joel are yahtzee sympathetic they are very good at concealing it in literally everything they say. I don't think a real AS would be able to avoid telling people that long

[@alsteiner7602]

WHO ON EARTH ARE THE OGDEN BROS? no one uses their name so I can't look them up for myself 😂

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@alsteiner7602 Brian Sauve, Eric Conn, Dan Berkholder

[@dianeellison3090]

@@alsteiner7602, kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGSoq5l9a6t_l7c OGDEN: The King’s Hall is a collaboration of Brian Sauvé, Eric Conn, and Dan Berkholder.

[@shannontederoff246]

@@alsteiner7602there is a kings hall podcast explaining the current issue.

[@matthewzmarzley]

Great message brother Agree with your framing of the situation

[@6thstreetradio]

TL;DR -> "If 'America' is simply a creed, than it is a false one." (in other words, America is not JUST an idea.)

[@stevenboyd593]

As it turns out today I was reading in Malachi 4 and Revelation 22 today...without a basic understanding of who the Lord is, we suffer greatly to acclimate to life on the planet. It is completely and entirely His ball game and we had better play accordingly...there will be a losing team

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

5:08 Doug listed the attributes of a nation but slyly left out an important one: ANCESTRY. Doug nearly quoted John Jay. "Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people-a people descended from the SAME ancestors, speaking the SAME language, professing the SAME religion, attached to the SAME principles of government, very SIMILAR in their manners and customs..." ~ John Jay, First Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, 1787

[@da1stcrusader]

Ancestry? How many generations before you can be considered part of the nation, for example my dad immigrated here from Danmark. Would I be allowed in? Also if we believe the Bible than we ALL share then same Ancestors Adam and Eve.

[@Yesica1993]

@@da1stcrusader Thank you! It's chilling that this stuff is now considered "Christian".

[@aallen5256]

Come on, we’ve discussed John Jay before… you misrepresent him all the time. As in the quote you’re attempting here, which you claim is from 1787 - though Jay didn’t become first chief justice until 1789!! You’re worse than AI quote bots.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

@@aallen5256 cry

[@aallen5256]

@@virtualpilgrim8645 how do your own inaccuracies not give you pause?

[@CA_Watchman]

What exactly is the purpose of these many videos from Doug? I’m still confused what he’s going for or getting at after months of listening to him.

[@Yesica1993]

RE: CN, the issue continues to be that different groups / individuals use the term in different ways. Some may be doing it intentionally to confuse things. Some may be doing it because they are already confused and/or may not even know that there are different ways to use the term.

[@erhardtharris8727]

The difference between Building the kingdom of God and Building In the Kingdom of God.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Brian and Joel have been very encouraging to listen to. My conciliatory analysis is that Doug and James are really seeing something that they're right to need concerned about in twitter followers, but they are wrongfully expecting the millennials to rein them in, and wrongfully believing they endorse and incite what they are seeing, and finally they chose the wrong thing to go after Joel on. These people are almost entirely aligned, but for their different interpretation of messaging methods and what is the most serious issue in this hour. Pray for "The peace of jeru--" by which i mean the peace of the church.

[@YTTraveler777]

No. Have you actually listened to Joel Webbon or Andrew Isker for that matter? How about Isker's little buddy CJay Engel who clearly wants such power as to ban types of music he hates. Joel has advocated that illegal immigrants who would one day resist deportation should maybe just be shot. These men are extreme. If you listen long enough they say the quiet parts out loud. They can't help it. Especially the younger guys like CJay Engel. You can see the emotions in his face. His tightened brow, the vains in the temples, the stern frown and turst words. He can't help but display his ethnic bias and different hatreds.

[@googIesux]

Hear hear. Praying for all. Christ is our king

[@cosmictreason2242]

@ wanna know something funny and sad? I cut the word short, not to signal anything to anyone, but to not get the comment deleted. Yt won't let me say all kinds of word combinations, like 💃 and🚫 in the same paragraph

[@benjamingallows]

Jewtube. Embrace your replacement or face church discipline.

[@tamalam]

What is everyone talking about. I guess it's about Webbon and Sauve? Wtheck happened

[@trentenmeyer4513]

This only makes it more confusing for trying to understand why you treat some brothers the way you do.

[@dnbeckmann]

Amen, Doug!

[@carolynoconnor8567]

👏👏👏👏

[@BlancoBoy-ju2wr]

This rings real hollow when you just spent the last two months throwing labels about Willy-nilly. It hurts to see DW, Canon press, et al go that route

[@吴宇-e3g]

be more careful then

[@jamescook5617]

Even brothers of the same mother have disagreement. Christian nations still will have disagreement and promoting the good of one's own nation, be it blood and soil or propositions, is not wrong or being in some other Kelleristic ditch to unashamedly promote the good of one's own nation and people. If you want a clear vision of what Christian Nationalism, please go watch Steven Wolfe's recent podcast. It should help clear up what CN actually is as a meaningful movement that exists well outside the gates kept by Moscow.

[@andrefontenele7095]

Classic dw W (except for the webbon reference ofc, but whatever, its cool)

[@bencorley8687]

Well done and well said Doug. Moscow continues to be a bulwark against the tides of chaos.

[@lizakamomboyd6965]

Amen 🎉

[@Yesica1993]

"Understanding all of this in a sane and judicious way needs to begin with the understanding that America is simply one more nation among men, like all the other nations, and that we must not be thought of as a propositional or ideological construct. To argue that America is merely a propositional nation is to set up our country as a counterfeit church, as a rival to the true faith." I wouldn't say it's ONLY a propositional or ideological construct. But we are different in the sense that we were intentionally founded, for the intentional purpose of freely following Christ. Which is why people can come here *legally*, from anywhere, and if they *assimilate*, they can be considered Americans, just like those born here.

[@markmelnichuk5556]

Someone please explain to me what happened with everyone calling doug out?!

[@mtrobbi2]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGSoq5l9a6t_l7csi=Orzuy3pVylOWVWbG Doug and James White slandered a fellow faithful pastor, Joel Webbon, who was quietly and rightly exercising in house church discipline. The whole truth has come out and despite the evidence of their error, they, along with a pastor in Germany who started the whole debacle have yet to repent of their treatment to those on the other side, who are in fact brothers in Christ.

[@markmelnichuk5556]

@mtrobbi2 oh wow..thanks for explaining it brother!I'll watch that

[@aallen5256]

It was all due to Doug opposing Holocaust denialism, which Joel Webbon does not oppose

[@mtrobbi2]

@@aallen5256 Yeah or maybe just the severity of the Holocaust verses other people groups that were killed by the millions... Regardless, denying something regarding the Holocaust is not a salvation issue. You can be a Christian and deny it, you can be a Christian and think the earth is flat. I'm not saying those beliefs are right, but you don't break bread and slander someone for an in church issue. Joel is not my guy, I've never followed his ministry or anything, but all evidence shows he was responding properly with in church counseling to correct the offense his congregant gave to their former German pastor Tobias. Don't bring forth your internal affairs for the world, it's a bad witness of Christ.

[@aallen5256]

⁠@@mtrobbi2 don’t you think it’s actually worse to keep this sort of stuff “in house”? Calling it out publicly is laudable in my opinion. The argument you’re making would protect those who prey on kids, of which so many have come to light from within the church, and is literally the policy which lead to catholic priests just being moved to new dioceses rather than exposed.

[@foolish_god]

Im too stupid to understand the rare words he spoke in the first 30 seconds. Therefore, instead of pretending that Im gonna stop being stupid, I'm just gonna stop watching

[@Spillers72]

The founders believed in civic virtue and saw religion as a positive generally speaking. They should encourage it to some extent. The laws should come from natural law and not directly from a religion. So yes, we are a Christian nation but in an indirect way. The majority faith is Christian and we seek to positively influence it. We don't have a church state or have a recognized faith of the state.

[@Yesica1993]

@Spillers72 "The founders believed in civic virtue and saw religion as a positive generally speaking. They should encourage it to some extent. The laws should come from natural law and not directly from a religion. So yes, we are a Christian nation but in an indirect way. The majority faith is Christian and we seek to positively influence it. We don't have a church state or have a recognized faith of the state." Not "religion." Biblical Christianity. Or do you think the nation would be the same governed under Islamic or Hindu principles?

[@untilwemeetagain_]

Read the book my guy. "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it."

[@kleptosepto1848]

I love it when the typical christian thinks they know the bible more than they really do.

[@GRW2]

I believe if you keep reading you will find in both cases it is followed up by the promise that people would be brought in from the east and the west to sit at Abraham's table. So, he understands the first statement in light of the second. Jesus is a very narrow gate, and very few of those listening to his words at the time went thru. Things are different now. The table is filling up. 🤷

[@philipmurray9796]

Audience relevance.

[@hudjahulos]

How sad it must be only have one verse (taken out of context) to lean on for your pessimism. Here's some things to consider and study: 1) This is not the only place that Jesus mentions narrow ways. Perhaps we could learn more from his parable of the narrow door, in response to the seemingly relevant question from the disciples “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” (Luke 13:22). Jesus notes, as pointed out in the comment above, "people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God." The destruction of a certain group is featured, but not of the whole world. Hardly grounds for eschatological pessimism. 2) The spiritual children promised to Abraham, i.e. Christians, are promised to be as numerous as the stars in the sky and sand on the seashore. John's glimpse into the throne room tells us there was "a great multitude that no one could number" (Rev 7:9). These are glorious promises of many many many Christians. There is no comparable teaching on the number of the lost. 3) Christ came to save the world. This is so basic that I don't see how people miss it - John 1:29, John 3:16-17, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14, Revelation 5:9. Do you think he will fail? In the second Psalm the Father promises the Son the nations if he would ask. Do you think Jesus forgot to ask?

[@serakmurid]

@@GRW2 how do you know its filling up? What's the limit, then?

[@interestedmeow]

The bread required to make the sandwich Doug is selling is the problem. Plus, if the cheese is mouldy and unfit for consumption, better to just eat the ham.

[@Gisme69]

Amen

[@stevenmathews7621]

I was trying to think of - so, like myth = a story that tells truth so then, was thinking of wives tales... e.g "sit too close to the tv, and you'll wreck your eyes" ...physically not true (we now actually strap screens to our eyes (VR) and it has been shown that it will not damage your perception) but, if you spend your whole life looking at screens, you'll get a warped perception of what is and what is not real ("sit too close to the tv, and you'll wreck your eyes") tried to see "if you eat within 30 minutes before swimming, you'll drown" in this way ...hmmm.... so, water = chaos, eating = sustenance (incorporate new stuff) time = change then remembered a vid on the Joe Rogan podcast where an Aussie dude and Joe were talking about hunting, and said... (paraphrasing) if you switch up the way you take the shot in a really novel situation... you're gonna miss (sin)" ("if you eat within 30 minutes before swimming, you'll drown") f'n cool

[@benjamingallows]

While I appreciate the flattery that my detractors would give me. I must decline their invitation to be made a king of their dog pile. I’ve never been too good at climbing anyway. Which, speaking of dog turds, have you heard what they think of you lately? It’s a long way down the rabbit hole, just be sure to say hello to your uncle once in a while. What? You think I’m shilling for Israel, but you also think I shill for Israel? So what gives? You astutely ask. It’s not like I work for Mossad and the angles come to chase me out of town. More on that later.

[@benjamingallows]

While I appreciate the flattery that my detractors would give me. I must decline their invitation to be made a king of their dog pile. I’ve never been too good at climbing anyway. Which, speaking of dog turds, have you heard what they think of you lately? It’s a long way down the rabbit hole, just be sure to say hello to your uncle once in a while. What? You think I’m shilling for Israel, but you also think I shill for Israel? So what gives? You astutely ask. It’s not like I work for Mossad and the angles come to chase me out of town. More on that later.

[@benjamingallows]

While I appreciate the flattery that my detractors would give me. I must decline their invitation to be made a king of their dog pile. I’ve never been too good at climbing anyway. Which, speaking of dog turds, have you heard what they think of you lately? It’s a long way down the rabbit hole, just be sure to say hello to your uncle once in a while. What? You think I’m shilling for Israel, but you also think I shill for Israel? So what gives? You astutely ask. It’s not like I work for Mossad and the angles come to chase me out of town. More on that later.

[@benjamingallows]

While I appreciate the flattery that my detractors would give me. I must decline their invitation to be made a king of their dog pile. I’ve never been too good at climbing anyway. Which, speaking of dog turds, have you heard what they think of you lately? It’s a long way down the rabbit hole, just be sure to say hello to your uncle once in a while. What? You think I’m shilling for Israel, but you also think I shill for Israel? So what gives? You astutely ask. It’s not like I work for Mossad and the angles come to chase me out of town. More on that later.

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

Are you going to repent of how you have handled this whole situation?

[@captainfield6998]

How did he handle it?

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@captainfield6998 prophesying doom for Brian Sauvé's church in 5 years if he doesn't join the Yahtzee which hunt

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

@@captainfield6998 He did not call out Tobias for lying (he was caught in a lie and did not repent), and Doug himself has slandered both the pastors in Ogden, as well as Joel Webbon.

[@captainfield6998]

@ I’m not seeing how he slandered them. I’m not fully aware of the situation but it seems to me that Doug has a disagreement with them. He was nothing but charitable in the video as always. Slander implies that Doug just wants to bring them down at all costs, but that’s not him. If a brother is convinced that another brother is in the wrong biblically or spiritually then he has the obligation to point it out. I also have no idea who Tobias is or what he was caught lying about. What’s his last name so I can research this controversy more?

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

@@captainfield6998 By definition slander is: make false and damaging statements about (someone). This has been slander, because they have said and affirmed things that are not true, and implied both directly and indirectly that Webbon and the Ogden gang are genuinely anti-sem and are harbouring hateful people. Tobias riemenschneider is his name. He posted a 2+ hour long video that was posted by Eschatology matters. Joel Webbon then released the Zoom call which exposed him lying. Eschatology Matters later pulled the video down and officially apologized to Webbon and repented.....The Moscow gang needs to follow suit....

[@cerberus8666]

I think you are half right, Protestants in Europe were highly moral and yet subject to tyranny the likes of which has seldom been seen. We should all know how they brought about the end of their tribulations. I think this is happening again, in the name of secular Universalism instead of the theological-based kind. And the "mechanism" if you will that produces the tyranny is the same either way. Never mix political power with abstract ideas. Whether the goal is religious conformity across an entire continent or "diversity" makes no difference. Unless Christian nationalists are nationalists first you will take us the way of the Byzantines. I say anyone halfway between heaven and life on earth is no good for life on earth. "Race is only skin color".

[@cosmictreason2242]

Nationalist first = halfway between heaven and earth and fit fot neither. Anyone whose primary identity is not Christ is not Christian.

[@anitasmith203]

Well said, sir.

[@raYrefiedAire]

They both spit in the face of every engineer with a PhD working at McD's

[@virgilcaine3291]

2:08 Jesus really did rise from the dead. That's a full stop.

[@ReformedSouthron]

Not going to be watching this one. Disappointed to see the behavior from Moscow towards Christian Nationalists like Wolfe, Webbon, Sauve, and Conn. Nations are composed of a people and place. Ancestry matters.

[@c.m.granger6870]

You messed up, Doug. You shouldn't have treated your brothers the way you have.

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

I still like Doug... but man, some of the stuff that happened was not right.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@joshuamichael2463doug and James are referring to the proliferation of extreme twitter heads, which may or may not be a psyop, but they are not visible to those of us who are only on KZbin not Twitter, making it look like they're only reacting to the ogden boys/rrms' public comments, which is not the case

[@andreygromov5107]

Guys what happened, could someone explain it to me?

[@polumathes9729]

And how exactly did he treat them badly? By calling out their sins?

[@jessedphillips]

​@@andreygromov5107it's a 3 to 6 month long story that is publicly on Twitter and is a gigantic mess. Doug really did treat his brothers in Christ poorly in a number of ways. But that does not excuse the overt and aggressive militant racists who are playing their own nasty trade publicly

[@possumhunter1179]

The thing to hold onto is to do well by the proverbial city in which you dwell. (Jer. 29:7). Why? Because we're pilgrims here. (1 Peter 2:11). The same requirement for pilgrims then is the same commandment for pilgrims now. Plus, we're to abstain from the proverbial bait that Doug referenced. But, if we do well by the city, then what of H1B visas? Well, that depends on what's objectively good for the city. If it's good, fine. If not, then it needs to be made to be good. Congress has the authority to make that determination. We ought to tell them whether we think it's good or bad, and tell them why, then pray they make the wisest choice. After that, enforce the law - even the onerous laws. Because, only laws that prohibit what Christ requires, or require what Christ prohibits, are mischievous laws. The rest should be obeyed and enforced in order to give honor to whom honor is due.

[@jannyjt2034]

It's quite interesting seeing us Christians starting to take law and politics seriously. Though it shouldn't consume us we should understand it. No different than how Jesus was tested by the law of his time or how the devil tested him on God's law.

[@possumhunter1179]

@jannyjt2034 All law is God's law. (Romans 13). The issue at hand is teaching the authorities that, whether they like it or not, what they force (since they have the power of the sword) matters to their Maker. They are already under constraint of the King of Kings. And He submits to no man, because He's the King. He lays down His own life, and takes it up again. Earthly authorities have authority only from Him. And, they have power from Him only, as well. There's a distinction between power and authority. Sometimes earthly powers do unauthorized things. When that happens, they're just being regular lawbreakers who happen to temporarily have power. But it's always temporary, because Jesus always takes the tyrant's power away.

[@jannyjt2034]

@possumhunter1179 true. But you are forgetting the concept of persecution. Christians were (and are) persecuted because we reject ungodly laws of the state. We are to live at peace when we can live at peace but not when it infringes on our commitment to God. Notice we willingly choose to live in peace (obeying laws, paying taxes, etc) but the state brings persecution to us by forcing us (or making it lawful) to act in ungodly ways.

[@possumhunter1179]

@jannyjt2034 The state never forces anyone to act in ungodly ways. Neither do multinational conglomerate criminal enterprises, or other centralizations of earthly power. Every human being has volition, and they always choose that which they most desire at any particular point in time. Now, the secular man will desire to behave secularly, and that often involves nasty behavior. But, the man filled with the Spirit of God will have had his desires altered by the Spirit. And no man does that which he doesn't desire to do. Now, you may take issue with that. But remember, the thug on the street can hold you at gunpoint and demand your wallet, and you may think you didn't desire to give it up after doing so. In reality, you desired your life over your wallet. So, a human will always do that which they most desire. The question is, "What do you desire? Christ, or chaos?"

[@possumhunter1179]

@@jannyjt2034 No degree of persecution forces any human to behave sinfully. A human always sins because they desire to do so. Hugh Latimer would agree.

[@Kontact-wy1pb]

thank you

[@Fillahsofee101]

Christ or CHAOS? It appears you have chosen chaos by being such a busybody.

[@polumathes9729]

All the people in these comments lamenting Doug’s fight against these more radical wings of the CN movement are either ignorant or wolves. No in between.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@polumathes9729 the problem is he's identified specific people who are not those radicals he's deploring

[@austinrothjr]

Whom are you speaking about and in what sense are they radical to a problematic point?

[@b.t.3406]

Is noticing dead Palestinian Christians a sign of radicalism?

[@zarp89]

I was a big supporter of Brian Sauve and Haunted Cosmos. I was encouraged by that work. The lesson for me in their fallout is how easily men of God can fall into deception and how subtle that deception can be. Lesson learned.

[@TwentyTwoThirtyThree]

What in the world on you on about? Moscow has fallen.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@TwentyTwoThirtyThree neither have "fallen," They are just over and under concerned about creeping yahtzeeism

[@austinrothjr]

What deception have they fallen for?

[@Brakkiss]

First!

[@pleasedontman]

Moscow Christianity is a business and it's leaders should be understood as entrepreneurs. It really is that simple. All of this is about how they are running their business. Finding Scripturual grounds for being scummy towards those you once called friends is nothing new. Its quite old.

[@jeffreyAferguson]

99% of dougs detractors were unable to follow along

[@Blueberryfarmgirl]

Well said. #teamwilson

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

6:25 Doug asks, "What is a nation?" Answer: Nations are defined by race & ethnicity.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@virtualpilgrim8645 first, those are the same thing. Second, no, it is also defined by law and culture. And a physical location.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

@@cosmictreason2242 Ethnicity and culture are the same thing. Race & ethnicity are different. Austrians and Germans are the same race but they have a different ethnicity. Dennis Prager, a prominent conservative Jew, has a video from 2018 titled American Trinity. His opening line is "All nations on Earth have been defined by race and ethnicity..."

[@Yesica1993]

@@virtualpilgrim8645 "Ethnicity and culture are the same thing." No, they are not. I am Puerto Rican. Does that mean I have anything of moral significance with the Puerto Rican gangbangers and druggies in my city? NO, I DO NOT. I want nothing to do with that part of my "culture." And neither did my parents. That's why they chose to raise their children in a different part of the city than the area where most Puerto Ricans chose to reside, even though that meant losing so much of their Puerto Rican culture - the REAL stuff - like the language, the food, and the people. You will not lump me in with that garbage. Ethnicity is how people were born. We can't control it. Culture is, in great part, what we believe, which then informs how we behave. We CAN control that.

[@DavidRamirez-ww5kv]

Too wordy Doug. Stick o theology please.

[@jtlearn1]

Stick to Confessional Theology. He's not.

[@jtlearn1]

Clever, esoteric and harmful.

[@marisolmagana9644]

Sop calling it America!! The USA is not America by itself. FYI America is the America Continent. It goes from Alaska all the way to Chile. USA means United States "OF" America, meaning you belong to America, the America Continent, meaning that myself being from Mexico, someone from Chile and a Canadian are American too. I'm afraid you have left a lot to study!!!

[@Yesica1993]

Oh, for goodness' sake. Chile is not America. Mexico is not America. Chile is not America. Canada is not America. I'm afraid you have left a lot to study!!!

[@gokupepper]

Amiga, te entiendo, pero el nombre oficial de la nación es United States of America. So he can say America, technically. You want him to say U.S. only, but even then it has to be the U.S. of America.

[@marisolmagana9644]

@@gokupepper al decir America se refiere a todo el continente y no está hablando de todo el continente, sólo de 1 país. Entonces que diga USA o el nombre completo!!

[@marisolmagana9644]

@Yesica1993 Oh, for goodness' sake, they are not all of America, they are in the America continent, so they are part of America, as well as the USA is not all America, but part of it!!

[@marisolmagana9644]

@Yesica1993 I am American because I live in the America continent, as someone from Europe is European!! Didn't you study geography in school?? That's basic general culture!!

[@yeshua_base64]

Invite Nick Fuentes, the most prominent Christian Nationalist.

[@banemaler]

According to whom and where is the fruit?

[@jakedemaggio8649]

@@banemaler this guy is a bad actor. He’s purposely trying to be deceitful. He’s a hysteric who has a history of making absurd comments that only reveal his own prejudice. He fundamentally hates us & people like us, he has a serious case of “Trump derangement syndrome” while he over indulges in right wing content, reading things between the lines that aren’t there & convinced himself there’s “Natsee’s” & “Raycists” hiding under his bed.

[@cosmictreason2242]

He's not Christian

[@benjamingallows]

@@jakedemaggio8649you’re talking about Doug, right?

[@ZeeroDubs]

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA Good one.