What Swiss Service Ammunition Fits In What Common Straight-Pull Rifle?

[@TheGearhead222]

Dear BOTR-The GP-11 7.5mm ammo is SO accurate and consistent that I won third place in a C&R match years ago with my Schmidt-Rubin K-31 carbine. I recently bought a model 1911 Schmidt-Rubin and it's just as accurate at 100 yards! Amazing ammunition and rifles!-John in Texas

[@dandydasyt4766]

It's just so satisfying every time you catch that casing mid-air

[@damnyiffers]

3:34 damn good catch son!

[@Letadelko]

5:48 even better!

[@goofygob2178]

These kinds of videos are my favorite! You should do more experimenting like this!

[@jodelboy]

Thanks and greetings from Switzerland ;)

[@vrsmartin2981]

Love the way your voice gets higher pitched as things go wrong lol

[@thebotrchap]

Is it sinful to secretly wish to destructive-test a G89 with GP11 (from a distance using a tire and a loooong string)... Should I go and soak my mind in my ancestral pear schnapps?

[@thebotrchap]

Now where did you learn that ;-)

[@ironhead2008]

Holy crap. I'll be keeping my eyes open for that.

[@MrRedeyedJedi]

It's probably better to shoot 7.5x55 to the correct powder ratings in the 1889 anyway with modern un patched/swaged ammo as it probably creates a better gas check.

[@asianstreetmeat190]

Thank you very much for the info!

[@JohnW1711stock]

He is wearing my pet turtle for a hat. LOL!!

[@riderrj1]

Hey BOTR. Just ca.e across you channel. I obtained a full matching 1911 for a bit under 400 us dollars hopefully its a decent price. But I was wondering what mout you are using on the rifle in the video. Been watching your stufc and love it. Keep up the good work

[@JuanelMecanico_1]

GP90/23 does NOT fit my k31... However it does for my k11 for what that's worth... Case reads 1200-5. 3:00-S. 6:00-24. 9:00-D. I have a sampling size of 1 k31 though... Maybe some chambers are tighter than others... Rifle is a 1941 matching k31.

[@cirvi17]

G'day, I've recently inherited a Schmidt-Ruben straight pull that I want to hand load for and wanted to know what loads work and some good places for load data. The only other things I know about are that it was manufactured in 1892, and that it only has rear locking lugs. It has been a safe queen for the last 2 generations of previous owners (allegedly).

[@BlokeontheRange]

You can load using .30-40 Krag data in an M1889 like you have there.

[@cirvi17]

@@BlokeontheRange Cheers, thanks mate.

[@KW-qq7nu]

Hi quickie please. If the cases I use in my K31 can fit into a 1889 then presumably I don't need to trim them to 53.5mm when reloading for the 1889. Also can I use the same dies for both rifles?

[@KW-qq7nu]

Many thanks, K.

[@lorenzosavioli9023]

Excellent job mate! Welcome to the Versoix range sometimes!

[@BlokeontheRange]

Merci :)

[@colinarmstrong1892]

So presumably you could load the 7.5 x 53 using a 7.5 x 55 case. Which is interesting as I have not found a source of 7.5 x 53 brass and have not bought an 1889 because of that

[@BlokeontheRange]

Yes, and you don't even need to shorten the brass (although you can if you really want to)

[@colinarmstrong1892]

@@BlokeontheRange Excellent so no need for me to dig through musty old documents to get case dimensions and make a tool to bump shoulders back etc... and so that is another rifle on my list, along with a Vetterelli and a Swiss 1911. And of course there is a Whitworth rifle I simply must have too...

[@billywatts4689]

​@@BlokeontheRangeI tried it with inert cartridges it does not even go into the breech

[@exmcgee1647]

Is that A Swiss army tunic ? It's super cool.

[@cathat227]

How many grains of powder do you use for the 1889

[@beefcakes27]

Wonderfully to the point...

[@thelongslowgoodbye]

There's about 6 Schmidt-Rubin 1889 rifles for sale in a gun shop near me and all of them have matching serial numbers. I'm thinking of getting one. Is it alright to fire more modern commercially available 7.5x55mm Swiss ammunition with that rifle?

[@Sewertheonlyone]

No.

[@CobraMustang]

I have a quite conversational question about the GP11 in the K11. Does constant use of the GP11 round in K11 action wear out the locking lugs quicker?

[@huntercompton9650]

Quicker than what? GP11 or gewehrpatrone 1911 (rifle cartridge 1911) is meant to be fired in the K11 (carbine model 1911). The rifle shooting the ammo it was designed for should not wear anything prematurely.

[@bigcheif093]

At 4:03 there is a mention of "Official Literature" saying the GP11 should only be fired in M1889 in an emergency. Can anyone name the source for this comment?

[@BlokeontheRange]

It's reproduced in Zimmermann's 1940 book. I've not yet seen the Army document from which this derives.

[@bigcheif093]

@@BlokeontheRange pardon my ignorance but can you give me the name of this book? I'm struggling to find it just with those details.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Sorry, it's 1942... www.worldcat.org/title/einfache-schiesslehre-fur-den-feldmassigen-gebrauch-von-gewehr-karabiner-pistole-und-revolver-ein-lehrbuch-zum-selbstunterricht-fur-auszug-landwehr-territorialdienst-bewaffneten-hd-ortswehren-und-luftschutzkorps/oclc/604848215

[@HptfwO]

Cheers to another interesting Video. Where do you get all these old Cartridges from anyway?

[@yothu2431]

Hi, firstly fantastic video, not just this one but all of them. I have a 1911, if I reload using the RCBS dies that came with the rifle it gives them the wrong shoulder angle and the firing pin doesn't strike the primer. Switched to Lee dies and away we go. I believe there are different chambers in some of them, can you please confirm or offer an explanation. All the best Mark- Australia..

[@BlokeontheRange]

K31's have a different chamber profile. There are K31 specific dies as a result. You probably have those.

[@crusherfl4464]

So, maybe this is an old question or maybe a dumb one, but can I take modern 7.5x55 (perhaps PPU) and reduce the powder in them then shoot the new reduced load rounds in my 1889? Probably seems like a lot of work, but from what I am calculating will probably save me money in the long run.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Yes :)

[@Trumplican]

What is it about the 1889 that can't handle the new ammo? Is it the barrel or is the locking mechanism too weak?

[@tangero3462]

5:48 now that was slick xD

[@georgebrewton3879]

Interested in your scope mount

[@mikea8998]

What do you think of these k31s sir, compared to our no 1s and no4s?

[@joshkenney8808]

So the 1889 can eat both the 7.5x53.5mm and the 7.5x54.5mm?

[@Sewertheonlyone]

Donc nous sommes en capacité d'utiliser couramment la GP90/23 dans les trois armes, si je comprends bien... Intéressant.

[@STEALTH1DAN]

so, if the modern 7.5x55 (GP 11)fits the 1889 how can it be fired safely? (im asking because when reloading it makes it easier, i guess? Different powder, same cartridge/case/projectile, less powder, different powder? what is the solution if any to be able to fire the 7.5x55?

[@BlokeontheRange]

load it with .30 Krag load data.

[@Kav.]

1:24 I've just bought some inert 90/23 for my 1889 and one has a head stamp marked "35" not sure what's going on there.

[@Kav.]

Just pulled out some calipers and it appears to be a 90/23 bullet in a GP11 case. Not sure why that is

[@BlokeontheRange]

whoever was doing the inerting probably mixed up the cases.

[@Kav.]

@@BlokeontheRange that sounds like the most probable explanation. It's a pain in the arse really because the bullet hasn't seated far enough down into the case to fit in the clips properly.

[@matutum50]

I shoot 7.5x.55 in my 189 Schmidt rubin

[@robertdailing3147]

Where can I get a scope mount like the one in video ?

[@BlokeontheRange]

Aliexpress

[@robertdailing3147]

Thanks. I have a 1911, produced in 1914. Need scope but , not conventional.

[@robertdailing3147]

Does this mount have special name. So many on Aliexpress. Cannot find

[@BlokeontheRange]

no, it's just some offset Picatinny accessory rail which I put on an 11mm dovetail I already had on the rifle.

[@robertdailing3147]

@@BlokeontheRange ok. I'll see what I can find. Top of the morning too you.

[@Trumplican]

What is the black rifle in the intro? It looks super cool

[@Blackstone9x19]

It's an AIA Enfield, chambered in 7.62x39 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hICkeX6wrr6Kj9E

[@Trumplican]

@@Blackstone9x19 thanks :)

[@henrywebb6802]

Hi bloke I have a 1889 in northern Ireland and have put it on license I am looking to make ammunition for it but It seems I have the Nack & shoulder of a cartridge stuck in it I am wondering Is a tool available for removing it Keep up the good work look forward to seeing any reply Regards Henry

[@henrywebb6802]

Or chap lol

[@BlokeontheRange]

see if Brownells do a burst case extractor in 7.5x55. Should work. Failing that, you'll need the attention of a gunsmith.

[@Blackstone9x19]

If you do need a Gunsmith and live around County Down, I would recommend Gordon at Hollow Farm. Absolute gentleman and was a tool maker by trade.

[@bitfreakazoid]

What is that weird sight on the back of the K31?

[@wewlad8770]

What is the max charge of these rifles? I used 40 Grains of 4895 (didn't trim) now I'm afraid I must pull them because I put too much.

[@BlokeontheRange]

If you mean the 1889 rifle, compare it to .30-40 Krag data.

[@darioinsaurralde4848]

Como puedo saber lo que significa la letra P sellado en un k11

[@BlokeontheRange]

"P" means that it was "privatised", given to a soldier at the end of its service.

[@dandahermitseals5582]

This was informing and also scary because.now I know the Schmidt/Ruben I can't identify can chamber the GP 11 ammo I have n maybe kill me if it's the wrong ammo for it. Yikes!!!

[@fabianaechtle148]

Is it safe to shoot Gp11 out of a 96/11?

[@Sewertheonlyone]

Yes, becaus this rifle is designated for this ammo.

[@hansslagter3408]

Hello Bloke i realy do enjoy your channel, I was wondering where do you get your 7,5mm ammo from ? as i understand that you can not have these at your home?. Are you allowed to reload the GP11 cases or is that also restricted in Switzerland ?.

[@hansslagter3408]

Thanks for your response Bloke.

[@Mr79dream]

Hi, did I Miss something? What happened that you can't buy surplus GP11 anymore? For us here in Germany there was a long dry spell but since a few month original Thun GP11 is available again.

[@Mr79dream]

OK, that is strange. What commercial alternatives do you have? For us basically the only option was PPU *shrug* when we had the shortage. I made 1 shot PPU out of my K31, damn that was a low hit at 100m.

[@Mr79dream]

Cheers, i was thinking, with out knowing the swiss law to specific, maybe it's the same reason why we "technically" can't buy surpluss either. The cartridge markings are noct CIP conform. WIth the GP11 it's not so bad here, they just get unpacked and get the 7,5x55 printed on the side. With 7,62x51 its worth, the original lot markings get machined out and then again the rebarnding and .308 REM gets printed on the side. So maybe in CH just no one bothers to put that work in remarking the GP11, hence you can get reimports where the CIP markings are applied,

[@Mr79dream]

I know, did not write clear. I meant that maybe there is a regulation about markings on cartridges for civilian sale along the lines of CIP or maybe thanks to Schengen. It's just a very curious thing, never heared that before and did not expect it. Many regulations regarding guns don't make sense ;)

[@sergiomaceda3322]

Que tal saludos me podría ayudar para sader el precio del rifle

[@Felix-dg9rt]

Qual? Depende de donde eres

[@DauterProductions]

I am considering buying a 1897 Cadet rifle because my Dad left me a boatload of old GP11 ammo, can I safely shoot it out of that rifle ? He didn't really answer that question in the video (K31 is hard to find where I am and Iike the single shot concept)

[@BlokeontheRange]

You can safely shoot it cos it's got the same action as a 1911-pattern. But the bore and throat geometry are really not optimised for it, so it's unlikely to shoot well. Plus, it'll shoot really very high, and the recoil will be unpleasant. And it might give hard extraction. Overall, I'd not shoot GP11 in it as a result.

[@DauterProductions]

@@BlokeontheRange Thank you for the fast reply, I guess I'll keep looking for a K31

[@BlokeontheRange]

@@DauterProductions There's also the whole of the 1911 series too...

[@DauterProductions]

@@BlokeontheRange As long as I can fire the GP11, it seems to be the only cartridge still readily available where I live

[@BlokeontheRange]

​@@DauterProductions Obviously GP11 goes with the 1911 series of rifles, the nomenclature is a bit of a giveaway ;) It's also mentioned in this video ;)

[@spoonyspoonicus4648]

so your clearly British but where do you live that allows you to own all these rifles?

[@spoonyspoonicus4648]

Yeah i own a few rifles and a lot of shotguns but i need them for my work because i do a lot of deer management and vermin control.

[@dapsapsrp]

He lives in Switzerland.

[@AdrianSchwizgebel]

Since the heads-up you gave me over at the TFBTV channel I'm watching your videos. Sorry again for my accusations, really learnt some history here. Are you Swiss or are you just living here? Would really like to know it! :)

[@AdrianSchwizgebel]

Cool! I hope they will, can be hard.. You have my vote ;P

[@philipkinscherf7430]

You’re rifle farted at 4:46

[@mirko5707]

as you probably know the swiss military names its ammunition by the next round number. Means the 7.5 mm is not 7.5 mm (and not 0.295276 inches) but it is exactly .3 inches or 7.62 mm. A 7.5 is a rounded .3. All the .3 ammunition has the same size as the 7.5 and as the 7.62, it is just another system to name them. Measure the size if you dont belive. You can shoot a .308 in your k31 without any problem.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Err, if you slug them, they are actually around .296" bore (land-to-land), not .300" bore (7.62mm, which rounds under the Swiss system to 7.6mm)... The Swiss get quite obsessive about nominal bore diameter, and measure them to .01 mm with plug gauges. There's endless pointless debate around 7.51, 7.52, 7.53 and 7.54 measurements. And the maximum nominal diameter on a GP11 bullet is .308" in any case...

[@clintonlayne9253]

Just seeing this now 9/4/22. I think you were flirting with danger. I have a K-31 it loves GP11 rounds as it should. I had a couple of misfires with my reloaded Ammo it was the OAL issue . Love you entire.

[@moitoi4064]

At first glance I thought you were a VC but then I figure out you don’t have slanted eyes. Lol.

[@Marco-ie2xn]

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