What ain't necessarily so about the M1 Garand

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Bloke on the Range

Bloke on the Range

Күн бұрын

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@Zap_R0sdower
@Zap_R0sdower 7 жыл бұрын
Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch has a good viewpoint on the "ping" "You just fired 8 rounds of .30-06, everyone around you is deaf."
@jimmyboredom3519
@jimmyboredom3519 4 жыл бұрын
This is true.
@thespiritof76..
@thespiritof76.. 4 жыл бұрын
this guy
@markedwardspezenosky5814
@markedwardspezenosky5814 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao😁
@rattussapiens2854
@rattussapiens2854 4 жыл бұрын
b stan - grandfathers, like most old soldiers, have faded memories and an inordinate capacity for bullshitting the young uns ... the point of the video is that the 'ping' is bullshit - if the bad guys are close enough to detect a metallic ping in the heat and noise and confusion of battle, you might as well go home because you're up against some kind of superman with the hearing ability of a bat...
@BigPuddin
@BigPuddin 4 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderh.5814 Well, my grandfather used to say that after firing the Garand for five rounds, the Germans would charge his squad thinking they had five round capacity bolt actions just for them only to be cut down by the extra three rounds the Garands had in reserve. Multiple things wrong with my grandfather's statement, however: 1.) My grandfather was only ever deployed after Operation Husky, and the Germans had been well aware of the Garand's capabilities long before even then as the rifle had been in production and use since the early fucking thirties and virtually every ground unit had a fuckload of Garands. The Germans were more than aware of them and had been developing their own prototype semiauto rifle before the war had even broken out, but Hitler put a pin in their production because it was easier and cheaper to produce a ton of k98's instead. 2.) There's no way the Germans could distinguish how many shots had been fired exactly from a squad of twelve guys with Garands that had been firing intermittently at them on a loud ass battlefield. It's pretty much impossible. 3.) Even if they could somehow pick out one guy firing just five rounds, for the Germans to charge the Americans at this point would be suicidal considering how that one guy is not alone. He's a part of a full squad that can cover him while he's reloading. It would be a profoundly fucking stupid thing to do. Even if that one guy _were_ alone, it's pretty easy and quick to reload a Garand in time to shoot down whichever mouthbreather decided to charge him. 4.) My grandfather had only ever fired an 03 springfield in basic and an M1 Carbine which he was issued in the Army Air Corps as a bomb loader and had only heard the rumor in question from "some guy" he'd met who'd also heard the rumor from "some guy" he'd met. 5.) My grandfather suffered from memory loss before he passed away. 6.) As much as I loved my grandfather, he was full of shit. And so is yours.
@ghazghkull133
@ghazghkull133 8 жыл бұрын
British sarcasm is the apex of the English language. Love your videos.
@richardmacgregor2526
@richardmacgregor2526 7 жыл бұрын
uncletigger p
@samuel10125
@samuel10125 7 жыл бұрын
Unlawful Waffle sarcastic topping off.
@westvirginiagroyper485
@westvirginiagroyper485 7 жыл бұрын
Unlawful Waffle As an American, I can agree.
@Johnny-sj9sj
@Johnny-sj9sj 5 жыл бұрын
Mate, sarcasm has been called the lowest form of wit; we prefer irony! I think we invented it along with the Magna Carta, the left-handed hammer, and spoons. Mustn’t forget spoons! 😈🇬🇧
@jeffreyottinger3165
@jeffreyottinger3165 5 жыл бұрын
But Everyone knows that lol
@MarineVeteran99
@MarineVeteran99 6 жыл бұрын
I heard about those "Ping Myths". In reality when you were with a fire team, squad, platoon or company. The enemy would never heard a ping. Even if they did they weren't sticking their heads out to see which soldier/marine was out of ammo.
@doughesson
@doughesson 5 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the tank platoon or TAC Air support backing up the assault.
@AlexJibb92
@AlexJibb92 4 жыл бұрын
I think you’re right but I’ve heard some people would keep an empty case in their pocket. Then when people are ducking in and out of foxholes. You could fire one round off and throw the empty clip on your barrel or on something hard in front of you with your left hand, but so you could get your hand back on the hand guard quickly. Then when someone popped back up you’d be pointing straight at them
@Shadow0fd3ath24
@Shadow0fd3ath24 4 жыл бұрын
Plus the other guys wouldnt be reloading ALL AT ONCE so they knew better
@monsieurboks
@monsieurboks 4 жыл бұрын
Ignoring the fact that the average engagement range in ww2 was 200-300m, so even if your enemy was usain bolt there's no way they could close in on and kill you before you've reloaded and filled them with holes.
@Kriegmann45
@Kriegmann45 2 жыл бұрын
Yea like there a Mg42 blasting near you but you can hear a ping
@nat040496
@nat040496 8 жыл бұрын
The fact that we still use the M1 Garand design today (The M-14 / M-14 EBR) is a testament to how well it was designed. Easily my favorite rifle of all time.
@cullenseago1519
@cullenseago1519 5 жыл бұрын
SwordBreaker925 yeah except the m14 was a failure. They literally took 30 years to develop something worse when they could have just put a detachable magazine on an M1. I mean garand, not carbine or that weird thing in between the garand and the m14.
@NWA744
@NWA744 5 жыл бұрын
@@cullenseago1519 The M14 was by no means a failure. They had a BAR magazine fed Garand design called the T20E2 ready to go had we invaded Japan, but that never happened so it never passed prototype phase. After the Korean War the US military adopted the much lighter 7.62x51 NATO, so instead of modifying a bunch of older, heavier Garands, they developed the M14 for 7.62 NATO. The M14 is still used today as the Mk14 EBR in a DMR role.
@cullenseago1519
@cullenseago1519 5 жыл бұрын
NWA744 the m14 is a massive failure, it’s action was somehow worse than the garlands, the accuracy was terrible, the weapon system was the least desired of the entire services and had a super short life span as an actual service weapon. The magazine fed garand had several prototypes and most would have been better than an m14. Not to mention the terrible reload, it’s easily one of the worst weapons to reload and it’s quite a bit heavy for a battle rifle. Modern m14s and the EKBR are as close to original m14 as they are to garands. Modern m14s actually have better manufacturing systems and are way better made, secondly the EKBR might as well be considered an entirely different gun considering the only thing it shares is caliber and name. The EKBR has a free floated barrel, a lighter composite stock and hand guard, an entirely improved barrel and sight system, even the action has been improved and modified. I used a modern modified m14 that the marine corps uses for their designated marksmen and I have gotten to handle and shoot and original (with full auto selector) m14 and it’s a huge difference. We might as well call modern variants m14 styled.
@NWA744
@NWA744 5 жыл бұрын
@@cullenseago1519 The M14's short service span isn't because it was supposedly so terrible, but due to a change in infantry doctrine. The M16 was already well on its way before the M14 even saw combat for the first time. Also, Mk14 EBRs are built from existing M14 barreled actions and are not modern reproductions.
@motba6228
@motba6228 5 жыл бұрын
@@NWA744 The M16 was sabotaged by the army because real man shoot 30.-06 and not some pisky 5,56mm cartridge. The M14 was horribly outdated for the time it was introduced. The US also screwed NATO, when they insisted on the the introduction of the 7,62mm cartridge but didnt adopt the FN FAL, which is in almost every way a better battlerifle than the M14. Was the M1 a great rifle? Sure it was! The M14 definatly wasnt, the US failed to realize how doctrines had changed after WW2 and learned a bitter lesson in the early years of jungle warfare in Vietnam
@christopherashcraft9984
@christopherashcraft9984 8 жыл бұрын
M1 thumb, yeah you do it once like everybody does, and then you don't ADMIT to doing it again.
@hardball107
@hardball107 7 жыл бұрын
I didn't because I was taught how to properly load and unload my weapon and if you've ever seen that bolt close you know you don't ever want to experience it .......
@bbb462cid
@bbb462cid 7 жыл бұрын
Never has happened to me, never will. My M1 is a 1944 production rifle. "Everybody does it" is bullshit that clumsy gits use to cover their own embarrassment.
@david-1775
@david-1775 7 жыл бұрын
Never cut yourself with a knife, never hit yourself with a hammer, never pinched or burned yourself on a gun. Only way that happens is if you never pick one of them up or your wife does it for you.
@bbb462cid
@bbb462cid 7 жыл бұрын
David, it's adorable that you just posted a lot of things as if someone claimed all that applied to them. Try not to hurt yourself today.
@CorbinAce
@CorbinAce 4 жыл бұрын
@Walt Schmidt I agree. I fired the M1 plenty and never got a M1 thumb. You just have to stay awake.
@KlipsenTube
@KlipsenTube 2 жыл бұрын
I had a Breda 30-06 for seven months when i did National Service back in 1981-82. Still remeber the serial number, because it was so simple: BMR 554. We also used the MG3, but with 7.62x51 mm Nato. I'm surprised to hear that the Danish military used rifles for both types of ammunition.
@johnsaia9739
@johnsaia9739 8 жыл бұрын
Absolutely one of THE BEST real gun videos on KZbin it is almost embarrassing to have a Briton show we Americans what our much vaunted M1 Garands can really do.
@tomsmith5216
@tomsmith5216 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sure there are many Americans who know exactly what a Garand is capable of. It's almost more embarrassing that you thunk there aren't, or that we need a brit to tell us...
@jammer3618
@jammer3618 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah he's a real combat guy. Probably a SAS vet.
@thetroodon9482
@thetroodon9482 5 жыл бұрын
Just say brit m8
@thetroodon9482
@thetroodon9482 5 жыл бұрын
Ughh calling em briton...
@thetroodon9482
@thetroodon9482 5 жыл бұрын
But yea i completely agree
@mmgross144
@mmgross144 4 ай бұрын
I like your humor and honesty! I’m picking my M1 Garand up on Monday. I have wanted one ever since a toy one came with my first G.I. Joe back in the 60’s, it has been a long time coming. I look forward to seeing more videos.
@lt_dagg
@lt_dagg 8 жыл бұрын
I can appreciate a gun-nutty brit. people give this rifle so much undeserving shit
@warplanner8852
@warplanner8852 2 жыл бұрын
To lighten up on my comments of half a decade ago, it's exceedingly nice to see a Brit who appreciates U. S. WWII firearms. Good work, mate! You know a bloody lot!
@Prairie7777
@Prairie7777 6 жыл бұрын
Not only does this video give very good and useful information, the "British" form of humor tops it all off. I love this guys persona.
@CeeKayz0rz
@CeeKayz0rz 5 жыл бұрын
I've never had M1 thumb..... But I have had SKS thumb. >_
@rugger8787
@rugger8787 4 жыл бұрын
CK's channel. i do not know how u did that could you show me that party trick
@DeadlyBreath9790
@DeadlyBreath9790 4 жыл бұрын
Not a big deal, your more likely and more painfully going to be called a peasant.
@stevenkage4397
@stevenkage4397 3 жыл бұрын
I had a backpack plastic buckle thumb.
@chrismoody1342
@chrismoody1342 5 жыл бұрын
An Englishman who actually appreciates the M1 which at the time was “The best battle implement the world has ever known”
@ldwithrow08
@ldwithrow08 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know what they did to the M-1, but when I trained on one in the early sixties, when you seated the clip, the bolt slammed home, chambering a cartridge and possibly took your thumb with it! You held the slide back with the side of your right hand and pressed the clip in with your thumb. Then, when your thumb was out of the way, you released the slide. My brother, during the Korean war had to have surgery for an "M-1 thumb". The speaker mentions this but seems to treat it like something that sometimes happens. Believe me, if the gun is in good shape, it eats thumbs for breakfast!
@costantinoandruzzi2219
@costantinoandruzzi2219 8 жыл бұрын
The perfect-est M1 Garand myth-debunking video ever made! ;-)
@catinthehat906
@catinthehat906 3 жыл бұрын
If you listen to this vet's account of the ping issue at 12 min 15 sec's you might change your mind kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoXGnGhoe7-db7M
@davidsanders1991
@davidsanders1991 5 жыл бұрын
Dear Bloke: Excellent video. I knew all these misconceptions about the Garand. Only people that have fired the rifle know that it is all crap. The Garand is a great rifle. Thank you.
@johnwayne2103
@johnwayne2103 7 жыл бұрын
You brought up and excellent point about magazines. If there was an ever Shit hits the fan moment the ideal setup you want is a rifle and a hand gun preferably a revolver that shoot the same type of ammo. 2 examples. 22lr lever action and a 10 shot revolver. 357 Mag Lever action rifle and a 8 shot revolver (before you say anything about an 8 shot revolver I own a S&W performance) Bonus! With the 357magnum you can shoot 38 special through them. With the combination of the 2 pair you never have to worry about losing magazines.
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany 8 жыл бұрын
"That means your baby is still alive!" P.S. New favorite phrase: "mind-gargglingly awful."
@jayferguson9968
@jayferguson9968 5 жыл бұрын
"Nothing, dear: You're not qualified!" Love those python boys. :)
@davecrupel2817
@davecrupel2817 5 жыл бұрын
I personally think where the safety catch is, is in a GREAT position. IF you're smart enough to keep your finger NEAR the trigger, but not *on* it. I also love how thats pretty much the only "catch" or drawback you show on this weapon. Which says alot about it Still my alltime favorite weapon.
@sylokthedefiled3047
@sylokthedefiled3047 3 жыл бұрын
I think that the first Rising Storm got the SVT/Gewehr 41 vs M1 Garand argument down. Those semi-auto rifles(Russian & German) got two spare mags, and if you didn't nearly completely deplete your mag, you would be loading stripper clips into your rifle, whereas a partially depleted Garand is as simple as popping it out, and shoving a new one in. 8 spare clips to go with it, too. Bigger mag is nice, but not at the expense of not even being able to use it.
@PirateRadio1312
@PirateRadio1312 7 жыл бұрын
"In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised."- LGEN George S. Patton, Jr.
@reidparker1848
@reidparker1848 4 жыл бұрын
Screw flag officers. They are credit-hogging politicians in uniforms.
@josephwhite6047
@josephwhite6047 3 жыл бұрын
@@reidparker1848 good god here you are again.
@reidparker1848
@reidparker1848 3 жыл бұрын
@@josephwhite6047 "General Kenobi". From where do I know you, Mr White?Clearly it was nothing positive :/
@josephwhite6047
@josephwhite6047 3 жыл бұрын
@@reidparker1848 I'm just seeing you raging at any mention of 'Flag Officers' any chance you get.
@jamesmclachlan4957
@jamesmclachlan4957 7 жыл бұрын
Even as a transplanted Scot in living CA...have to admit you're hilarious and incredibly informative. My eyes roll when listening to the 'experts' wax poetic on features, pros and cons of guns...especially the M1 'ping'. However, your demonstrations re topping off and other 'impossible acts' are terrific. Keep up the great work...!
@chickasawranger759
@chickasawranger759 5 жыл бұрын
The combat vets I’ve spoken with in the ETO said that in a firefight they would fire all 8 rounds and then shove in another clip. They had plenty of ammo under Patton and generally had a couple of bandoliers also. Most said they were a little light on rations though...,,
@paulmorissette5863
@paulmorissette5863 4 жыл бұрын
I do not recommend letting the bolt slam home on a single round. It can slam fire with the floating firing pin. I ease the bolt forward and then snap it closed. Never a problem. Good video.
@edwardscott3262
@edwardscott3262 3 жыл бұрын
Keeping your trigger finger out of the trigger guard is a fairly new idea that dates to after ww2. The safety in the trigger guard of m1s and m14s fit the times.
@corycarlson8712
@corycarlson8712 8 жыл бұрын
best garand video I've seen!
@bmfilmnut
@bmfilmnut 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. As an M1 Garand owner, I am aware of the things you point out. That said, I'm not sure I heard you correctly about when you mentioned trigger group. You seemed to say that you don't remove it because it's tight. But you have to remove it to do a thorough cleaning of the gun. It's the first step in field cleaning. Without removing it, you can't field strip the rifle for normal cleaning. I have a CMP Special grade Garand. I remove the trigger group as the first step every time I give it a good cleaning and it's as tight as the day I got it. On the hand, I don't disassemble the trigger group for cleaning. Perhaps I misinterpreted what you said. (?) One other thing that I'm sure you are aware of but you didn't mention it: If you remove the gas plug, you can operate the gun as a bolt action rifle. In other words, it won't work as semi-automatic with the gas plug removed and you operate it manually just like a bolt action rifle. Some people may find that useful if they only load one round at a time. There's also special gas plugs available that reportedly allow you to use just about any 30.06 ammo with confidence and they also reportedly make ejection very consistent regardless of the ammo used. Most of those plugs work by increasing their volume but some allow excess pressure to escape. I can't say how well they work from personal experience because I've never used one but reviews are quite positive. Excellent video! I, too, always enjoy an Englishman's dry sense of humor. Keep it up!
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 жыл бұрын
Every time you remove the trigger group for cleaning and take the metal out of the wood, you loosen the bedding slightly. Over time, the rifle will become loose in the stock and won't shoot straight (hence the babyling of the bedding in NM rifles). Also, I woulndn't fire one with the gas plug out since the gas cylinder lock won't be retained, may work loose and will likely cause the gas cylinder to work forward. No good can come of that.
@anotherOneMore7
@anotherOneMore7 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Thank you for sharing it. I'm a fan of M-1. I think the correct phrase to use when topping off and releasing the charging handle is, "And there you go, Bob's your uncle," or "And there you go, Robert's your father's brother."
@Hume2012
@Hume2012 5 жыл бұрын
It always seemed to me, as my two uncles who served with these in WWII, that with the noise of combat no one would hear the ping that is made so much of.
@derekrubicky4810
@derekrubicky4810 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! My only critique would be that when you try to do a fast reload for comparison/make a point you should do it properly like the way a soldier would. A soldier wouldn't necessarily have them sitting right next to him but would have to dig them out of his ammo pouches.
@easttexan2933
@easttexan2933 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video and great information. It's been several years since I owned an M1 and have no plans for getting another. Enjoy the way you present your material.
@kenfulkerson9567
@kenfulkerson9567 4 жыл бұрын
The 1 drawback was training Soldiers to stop waving their barrel in the air. M1 was no exception to this as seen in video. Even today have had more than a few Soldiers wave the barrel in the air to reload. Proper training will always lend ability to the user for survival and safe operations.
@jasonwood7340
@jasonwood7340 5 жыл бұрын
Love my M1. Made in 1945, all original parts except for the barrel. The chamber was done for so I replaced the barrel. One of my favorite rifles :)
@AlternityGM
@AlternityGM 5 жыл бұрын
Good video. I've used the M1 Garand in WW2 battle Reenactments. We used blanks of course. No soldier fights alone. And w/ all the noise of gunfire & other sounds there's no way the enemy can hear the ping or figure out who's rifle is empty. Nor can they cross the ground fast enough before you reload. The M1 Garand was the best general issue rifle of WW2.
@Ramiiam
@Ramiiam 5 жыл бұрын
It's also easier than a bolt action to keep the sights on target between shots, so less time spent reacquiring the target. The main drawback is the weight.
@Dr.Pepper001
@Dr.Pepper001 3 жыл бұрын
I trained with the M-14 in boot camp at Parris Island in 1964. After graduation, I spent 6 weeks at Camp Geiger where we trained with the M-1 Garrand. I much prefer the M-14.
@martentrudeau6948
@martentrudeau6948 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting point John Garand was Canadian (French Canadian) and is part of the UK Commonwealth, so there is a UK connection to the M1 Garand, in my mind.
@funkyalfonso
@funkyalfonso 5 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@martentrudeau6948
@martentrudeau6948 5 жыл бұрын
@@funkyalfonso The M1 Garand is very nice, and a bit bad ass.
@albertcamus2367
@albertcamus2367 7 жыл бұрын
He's right about the Garand; it reloads very quickly. Anyway, as mentioned, the infantryman is among many other men putting up a volume of fire to achieve fire superiority.
@jeffreyottinger3165
@jeffreyottinger3165 7 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy some pointed out the fact that a top loading rifle was an is faster then a mag feed the m1a was made from or off of a m1 because they needed a better rifle I'm not so sure they did
@acepilotson3331
@acepilotson3331 7 жыл бұрын
I'm sure someone said it already but I think it was recommended to not top off the mag. Fear of dirt and debris getting into the at times sensitive action.
@brianlundy7878
@brianlundy7878 2 жыл бұрын
Having both AK and AR platforms. My M1 is still my favorite of the rifles I own.
@kennethhamby9811
@kennethhamby9811 Жыл бұрын
Worst thing I ever did was throw a price out when a friend asked about one of the best shooting garrand I ever owned. Been trying over 25 yrs to get that one back. Iol
@michaelbaker7499
@michaelbaker7499 3 жыл бұрын
With regards to the 'ping' you get when the clip eject, I've heard a story about Marines in the Pacific paring up. One throws a clip on the ground, Japanese soldier hears it and thinks "ow, he out of ammo" and pops up his head, second guy shoots him. Now, this is just a second hand anicdote and I've got no idea if it's true. But if enemy soldiers did associate the ping with an opportunity to attack, it would be very easy to exploit by doing something like this. And of course, all this assumes you can bloody well hear the ping in the din of combat.
@archangel20031
@archangel20031 8 жыл бұрын
Another Britt who thinks he knows something about the M1! Ok, MAYBE I did learn a thing or two, or even three. Not that I envy him having one or nothing.
@KingKiavash
@KingKiavash 6 жыл бұрын
The ping "disadvantage" did not originate from open field large scale confrontations where M1 was clearly superior; It was the dirty urban and close quarter battles, the house to house and door to door fights where the engagements happens at almost melee range. There is a lot that can go wrong in 5 seconds, and that's not even under combat stress where your motor skills are severely affected by stress factors. All that being said, the ping getting you killed was always a myth.
@CC-oi8gr
@CC-oi8gr 3 жыл бұрын
Assuming they can hear the ping, your second hypothesis of the attacking enemy not being able to rush you before you can reload is kind of moot, since Fritz doesn't need to close any distance, they just need to advance or hold your head down with their gun, that, presumably, has bullets.
@General100ism
@General100ism 5 жыл бұрын
I know CoD gets a bad rap when it comes to realism, but the garand is great in World at War. The difference in timing for reloading is incredibly noticeable, such that the garand is the only semi-auto I like to use in the game. It may take more rounds to kill an enemy in the game, but reloading is so quick that by the time they have recovered from the first shot, you have reloaded, and got your sights back on them.
@nathandoyle1255
@nathandoyle1255 4 жыл бұрын
The thing is that the clip is lose in the m1 and if you move or somehow turn the rifle upside down the clip will fall out so in battle it was Easy to just eject the full clip and put a new one in instead of having it lose and loading each round whit the chance of the clip falling out if you are moveing and then having to push it into the rifle where as whit the g43 it was a striper clip and wouldn't fall out of the gun when moved and was more secure then the m1
@metsoneredsoxtwo
@metsoneredsoxtwo 7 жыл бұрын
It's a Changing Handle on an M16, it's an Op Rod on the M1 & M14,
@conanthegamer
@conanthegamer 8 жыл бұрын
You probably know it already BUT there is a trick the old vets had where they would keep an empty clip in one of their chest pockets and would throw it to convince the enemy soldiers that they were empty to draw the soldiers out from cover.
@conanthegamer
@conanthegamer 8 жыл бұрын
You don't have to be like that.
@Kikox4
@Kikox4 8 жыл бұрын
Ah, the "ping-trick". Thought it was bashed against the helmet to recreate the sound instead. But I've actually never seen credible sources of it anyone really doing with any real benefit. Think it's mostly just a myth tbh.
@richardsuggs8108
@richardsuggs8108 6 жыл бұрын
This is simply a great rifle. In 3.08 or my favorite caliber 30.06 it’s a world beater.
@robertborchert932
@robertborchert932 4 жыл бұрын
So many opinions, but the M1 Garand will always stand on its own as a piece of history, and a fine weapon indeed. I would be proud to own one someday.
@rwsmith7638
@rwsmith7638 6 жыл бұрын
GREAT VID. You handle that thing pretty well. Amazing doing all of those things you can't do with an M1. I'll be watching more of your vids.
@richardflora5173
@richardflora5173 3 жыл бұрын
I love it when they label the gun as the m 1 thumb. It almost scares him not to buy one just more for me cuz I learned to keep my thumb out of the way shooting them 30 years never had a problem with it it's who teaches you and how will your brain absorbs it.
@wingshad0w00982
@wingshad0w00982 5 жыл бұрын
One of the things about the ping is sometimes guys would keep an extra empty clip or 2 on them. The squad would fire off 8 or so rounds between the group of them, and then toss a clip or two to make that ping. If someone poked their head out, they'd have a bad day.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 5 жыл бұрын
Pics or it didn't happen...
@wingshad0w00982
@wingshad0w00982 5 жыл бұрын
@@BlokeontheRange lockedback.com/mythbusting-m1-garand-ping-get-soldiers-killed/ It even cites you
@TheGLORY13
@TheGLORY13 5 жыл бұрын
It'd have to be such a rare occurrence for that work. Maybe close quarters you'd be able to hear the ping or on a still night. But realistically the majority of these soldiers on both sides probably spent their time in the field with ringing in their ears. The chances of being able to pick out such a tiny ting over any real noise isn't likely. I'm sure it happened once or twice by sheer coincidence.
@Terrys-Steam-and-Cobi
@Terrys-Steam-and-Cobi 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly, this historic rifle was just prohibited here in Canada, along with modern assault style rifles. Apparently there will be a buy back program by the government. Imagine the thousands of these antiques (designed by a Canadian no less) being sent for distraction.
@chip5256
@chip5256 4 жыл бұрын
I do historical metal detecting as a hobby. I was allowed to search a 100 year old house in NE Florida and got a nice signal that turned out to be a Mason jar. Sadly it wasn’t filled with old coins or jewelry but instead 30.06 ammunition. Curious I put my pinpointer into the hole and it went nuts. Pulled out 50 fully loaded stripper clips and over 300 loose rounds. Never found out who buried them nor why. I call it THE DEADLIEST CACHE.
@hvyduty1220
@hvyduty1220 4 жыл бұрын
Love the video......keep it up......in the middle of a firefight is anyone but the shooter going to hear the ping.
@raymondmeldrum477
@raymondmeldrum477 8 ай бұрын
Nice video, however a 30-06 Cartridge in a 308 is out of battery simply due to the shorter chamber. With the rifel out of battery the fring pin is retained by the internal reciever bridge (RB) (because the F.P. is not aligned with the R.B. notch), keeping it from firing out of battery.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 8 ай бұрын
Not when it's half an inch out of battery it's not... The RB notch only acts during the last part of movement of the bolt.
@TheGreatJohnPlays
@TheGreatJohnPlays 8 жыл бұрын
Love your videos mate. Liked and subbed. I think you kinda prove the point about not being able reload the Garand though. You can but its a slow, awkward process that requires you to carry a bunch of loose rounds about with you. If your Enfield is running low you just plug in another stripper clip.
@BobSmith-dk8nw
@BobSmith-dk8nw 5 жыл бұрын
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That was pretty good. One thing though - I think most of your M-1 thumbs are caused by people working with an empty rifle they are not in fact loading - but merely releasing the bolt on - that's how I got mine ... I did this hundreds of times but once someone said something to me JUST as I was releasing the bolt and distracted ... I got my thumb mashed ... .
@Goatboysminion
@Goatboysminion 5 жыл бұрын
Now that I never knew. That you COULD top off a Garand clip. It's a good day when we learn something new.
@louislazarus9253
@louislazarus9253 Жыл бұрын
No argument, it's a really great rifle. The biggest problem, as I see it, is it is very heavy. Add to that problem the amount of rounds you can carry and we're talking about a whole lot of weight. Obviously for some guys, that doesn't make a difference because they are big and very strong. The average guy is around 5' 8" and 160 pounds. Everybody should go on a ten mile hike carrying an M-1 Garand and 100 rounds of ammo and they will realize it wasn't easy to do back then and given the weather and various other conditions, we really have to hand it to the Greatest Generation. Thank you for all you did.
@danvalenti
@danvalenti 7 жыл бұрын
My dad fought in Korea and said they kept an extra stripper clip available, drop it on the ground on purpose, enemy thought they were out of ammo. Soon as the enemy appeared it was all over
@bsktblmasta31
@bsktblmasta31 5 жыл бұрын
The “can’t top it off” claim isn’t about refilling to 8 rounds. The (accurate, by the way) claim is that you can’t load a full en bloc and top it off, meaning add one more directly to the chamber, for a total of 9 shots before reloading.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 5 жыл бұрын
No, you hear people claiming that you can't refill a partially-expended clip with loose rounds. The same people often also believe you can load 8+1, which is indeed incorrect.
@CantateDomino373
@CantateDomino373 4 жыл бұрын
I think a good portion of these myths are due to shows done by the History Channel and the then-Military Channel in the U.S. As a kid, I remember the Hist and Mil channel historians (I can’t remember which channel Weaponology was on) talking about the ping issue with the M1. And then I realized, years later, that a whole fire team of guys with mixed weapons sort of masks that.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 4 жыл бұрын
Those shows are guilty of spreading a LOT of fuddlore...
@stevewalsh3001
@stevewalsh3001 7 жыл бұрын
Best M1 Garand video ever.
@mat7883
@mat7883 2 жыл бұрын
When you are engaged in a firefight...I doubt whether anyone would here that ping.
@you_worm3340
@you_worm3340 7 жыл бұрын
Fun and informative! Best kind of teaching...
@Gmar69
@Gmar69 7 жыл бұрын
Sir, you are debunking all the misunderstood things about the M1, which all us that know the M1, know it's a perfect rifle. I'm glad to see that you are shooting it in Britain. Not sure your regulations, but glad to see it.
@boryssmieja7034
@boryssmieja7034 7 жыл бұрын
Gerry Martinez but he is in Switzerland
@fidjeenjanrjsnsfh
@fidjeenjanrjsnsfh 4 жыл бұрын
Topping off may have been an issue during the heat of battle because rounds are issued in 8round clips and there is no point in doing it in the heat of battle.
@georgerobinson805
@georgerobinson805 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Bloke!
@coryellis12
@coryellis12 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for addressing this
@richardroberson2564
@richardroberson2564 6 жыл бұрын
The ping was louder than the shot last time I heard it. Also I'm pretty sure the ping kills you thing is referring to 1 on 1 firefights.
@OreGear
@OreGear 6 жыл бұрын
Ah the good ol' 1 on 1 firefight. Happens all the time. Who cares that the average squad size is at least 5-6 people and military doctrine is to generally not have a single squad in an area where it cannot be covered by the fire of another squad. But considering you think the ping of a clip is louder than an actual gunshot, I doubt that facts mean a whole lot in this conversation.
@ianmather7602
@ianmather7602 5 жыл бұрын
This was so brilliantly passive agressive
@stevenpremmel4116
@stevenpremmel4116 4 жыл бұрын
I broke a deactivated M1 once. It was a display the army put on for the ACF. I picked it up and cocked it, the actions stayed back. A few years later the same display team was on at another event, the M1 actions were still locked back. I asked about it and they said some idiot broke it and the armourer couldn't fix it without breaking it.
@frozenjoe6313
@frozenjoe6313 5 жыл бұрын
I will be using a loaner Garand at the Nampa Rod and Gun club in Nampa Idaho at the end of this month .Participating in a NRA High power Rifle competition, called the " Frozen Chosen " match . The weather is snow and Ice, all positions, varying ranges , requires about 180 rounds of ammo , which I am able to purchase though the club by Department of Civilian Marksmanship, sponsored by the United States government to encourage training and marksmanship in civilians . BTW American citizens may purchase their own original " Garand" rifle , arsenal refinished , directly through DCM.....Excellent program . . A large number of these garands have been recently repatriated to the United States inventory from being loaned to the Philippine Government. .. BTW, while yes indeed there is a charateristic " ping" sound when the body of the en block is ejected, a experienced soldier can reload very quickly . I had a neighbor, a army infantry american who was part of a group of just over 200 soldiers deployed on the line during the korean war, and yes among other things they were subjected to human wave attacks, and were everrun. My friend " Lou Perez" was one of only 6 survivors, and was taken prisoner captured, the rest killed.. He had a couple Garands that he used, the firing was so intense the barrel would start glowing red, and he would have to switch off to another, cooler rifle.. Of course he went through a great deal of ammunition, so note that is possible to reload a garand very quickly in the hands of a professional soldier. BTW after what he went through it changed him forever. He was a good man, passed away at home, with his family, from cancer.. R.I.P Lou... late 1980.. Rest at last....Bearing witness for you. .
@waltervangorden5671
@waltervangorden5671 5 жыл бұрын
you had it right the first time A.H.
@ronwalsh
@ronwalsh 7 жыл бұрын
Great video I have to say. I love nothing better than going to my local range and listening to people tell me how terrible the M1 is when compared to (insert any other axis rifle). I was even able to out shoot my friend with his scoped Nagant. 200m shooting at steel, the Monty Python machine, nothing better. Semper Fi.
@BillyQ.
@BillyQ. 7 жыл бұрын
That intro bit earned my subscription.
@monkeyzeetube
@monkeyzeetube 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate..My fave rifle too..
@cbwelch4
@cbwelch4 5 жыл бұрын
It isn’t that bad to take apart. Not as simple as an AR-15 or AKM, but the action is very simple nonetheless. I have an M1A and it pretty simple to take down. I’ve been thinking about picking up a Garand just because it is a piece of history to my country and a war winner thanks to its Canadian designer. I’d have a hard choice if I could have one in .308. I’m trying to stick to one 7.62, but the original wants to be .30-06.
@tominva4121
@tominva4121 4 жыл бұрын
On M1 Thumb - the threat is greatly exaggerated. I guess if you try real hard you could manage to crush you thumb during loading. Not anyone with half a brain though. Garand Thumb really was caused in military service during morning inspection. Soldier would open the action before handing the empty rifle to inspecting Drill Sgt. After inspection the rifle is handed back to the soldier who then has to close the action, while at attention, without supporting the rifle against his body. Easy for the rifle to slip - with the bolt crushing the thumb! My father stated while he was in basic camp - the drill sgts had a contest to see how many recruits they could have this happen to. He stated "Of course every time it happen everyone would cheer and laugh loadly". Lots of fun for all! It mostly happens now when people are playing, i.e. sticking their digits where they don't belong with an empty rifle. In forty years of shooting M1s - I have never seen Garand Thumb occur during actual loading.
@jonmajarucon51
@jonmajarucon51 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this fellows presentation. Bully!!
@ratlips4363
@ratlips4363 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to see this video was in 2016. Otherwise, it would have been considered produced by some guy that had no idea what he was talking about
@CowboybubPercussion
@CowboybubPercussion 6 жыл бұрын
it is easy to take apart if you have the correct trigger guard
@hisxmark
@hisxmark 6 жыл бұрын
It requires no tools to field strip.
@CowboybubPercussion
@CowboybubPercussion 6 жыл бұрын
yes, but using somthing for levrage like a piece of metal or a screw driver helps
@hisxmark
@hisxmark 6 жыл бұрын
I never had any problem with either type of trigger guard. And it can be hard to dig up a screwdriver when you're crouching in the bottom of a foxhole or pinned down behind a rock.
@grendelgrendelsson5493
@grendelgrendelsson5493 6 жыл бұрын
What an absolutely fascinating video! Where did you learn the topping off a Garand method from?
@cbwelch4
@cbwelch4 7 жыл бұрын
Great vid. I have great admiration for this Canadian rifle as the fine Gentleman who created the action was from the great white North. I want one of these even though I have the product improved version, the M1A already. Would love one in .308, but they're hard to find and for historical reasons, I'd like a combat vet that was used in Korea from CMP, so .30-06 is in my future. How hard was it to score an M1 in the U.K. if you're indeed there? BTW, the safety isn't in the wrong place IMO if your trigger discipline is what it should be, that is finger outside of the guard until ready to shoot. The non-adjustable gas system and the curvature of the op-rod, both fixed in the M-14, were the issues with the M1. Still, the M1 along with the Spitfire were both instrumental to defeating the Wermacht and Luftwaffe to our nations' mutual benefit.
@rikijett310
@rikijett310 2 жыл бұрын
What did I learn this episode? That things can be mind gargglingly awful!!! LOL 😂😂😂😂
@patmancrowley8509
@patmancrowley8509 4 жыл бұрын
I do believe that the safety selector is in the best position possible for an actual "battle rifle" which this fine rifle is.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 4 жыл бұрын
A safety catch which encourages the soldier to keep his finger inside the trigger guard isn't in a great place, although they didn't really care about that sort of thing back then. Back of the receiver like the fire selector on a Ruger AC556 (or even better, same deal, left-hand side) so that the soldier can keep his thumb on it and his finger clear would be better.
@patmancrowley8509
@patmancrowley8509 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlokeontheRange I have to disagree. When you're in a combat zone keeping your finger inside the trigger guard IS a great place.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 4 жыл бұрын
Err, no, that's how negligent discharges happen, and how people get shot accidentally. Finger NEVER goes inside the trigger guard until you actually want the hammer/striker to fall. Ever. No exceptions.
@patmancrowley8509
@patmancrowley8509 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlokeontheRange We could go back and forth on this one adnausium. We ARE discussing a "battle rifle" not a deer hunting rifle and two different theaters of operation. If you're IN the combat zone you DO keep your finger on or at your trigger usually without the safety being engaged. Your ultimate safety IS your trigger finger.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 4 жыл бұрын
Lol... What's meant by "your ultimate safety IS your trigger finger" means to keep it outside of the trigger guard until you're ready to fire... Don't believe me? Here's the 2003 version of FM 23-9: www.bits.de/NRANEU/others/amd-us-archive/FM3-22.9%2803%29.pdf See 7-24, para d: "... Soldiers must be observed to ensure that the finger is outside the trigger well and that the selector switch remains on the “safe” position until the weapon is raised to the firing position. This is a force protection issue and must be drilled until all soldiers can perform to standard." The last time US soldiers can be seen with poor trigger discipline appears to be Vietnam - go look at some more recent combat photos, you'll see the finger alongside the receiver unless actually shooting. And on that note, we're done here.
@funkyplasmaman
@funkyplasmaman 4 жыл бұрын
Had clipper thumb back in my weed smoking days
@jamesscott6917
@jamesscott6917 3 жыл бұрын
It was a brilliantly designed rifle, by a Canadian, for its time. We were smart to adopt it. BUT BUT BUT, dropping a round into the chamber and letting the bolt close on it is a BAD idea. The firing pin is free floating and you stand a chance of getting a slamfire.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 3 жыл бұрын
Single-loading is literally in the US Army manual, §26 of the 1940 version of FM 23-5.
@jamesscott6917
@jamesscott6917 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlokeontheRange Yup, I bet there's a lot of stuff in there that's a really bad idea. It's still a bad idea. Army manuals also state that the lowest ranking guy in any unit is the one that takes his protective mask off first to make sure that it's really safe from chemical agent poisoning. The firing pin is free floating, since that manual was printed, it has been generally agreed that loading a single round in a clip and pushing the clip in to lock, then allowing it to strip the round from the clip as the bolt closes is the correct way to prevent a slamfire.
@pelmen23rus
@pelmen23rus 5 жыл бұрын
Exept svt40 actually HAS bolt hold open... And could be loaded with stripperclips...
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 5 жыл бұрын
It does not have a manual hold open, as was noted with text...
@jacak47410
@jacak47410 7 жыл бұрын
This was so fucking cheeky I love it
@ranchhandrandy3213
@ranchhandrandy3213 7 жыл бұрын
You have a new fan sir.
@YTRulesFromNM
@YTRulesFromNM 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting. This is a great video.
@calvincardwell6562
@calvincardwell6562 4 жыл бұрын
Truly a fantastic rifle
@funkyalfonso
@funkyalfonso 5 жыл бұрын
Garand was Quebecois and HE pronounced his name with the emphasis on the first syllable. Regardless, his name is synonymous with brilliant engineering.
@rocklord01
@rocklord01 5 жыл бұрын
Assuming that this wasn't filmed in the UK - I have to go a long way away to fire an M1!
@cdavidlake2
@cdavidlake2 3 ай бұрын
0:50: Yes, really. Everyone knows they all fired their weapons at the same time.
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