Blood DK in Cata PvP feels so disgusting still... xd | Cataclysm Classic Arena

[@romawka8266]

06:01 dude that was a sick play lol! Gj!

[@eththagah4572]

I feel like a raid boss when I play arena as blood

[@gtafbi1]

have you tried double blood dk in 2v2 arenas? you can heal one another with glyphed rune tap and later on with 4.3 apply half the effect of vampiric blood to one another. Additionally you can also spec in to lichborne and death coil one another.

[@Razoonx]

nop i kinda stopped playing 2s except for gearing chars in cata but ye i know double blood dk is sick in 2s xd

[@kvnsun4289]

Great sharing. What is the name of addon that shows the est. healing points when using death strike?

[@Razoonx]

hey ty, the addon is bloodshield tracker

[@kvnsun4289]

@@Razoonx Thank you.

[@nikitas.doroshenko]

What do you think about secondary stats priority? Is it a good idea to reforge for mastery or crit instead of haste?

[@Razoonx]

nah haste is still a really good secondary stat cause it increase rune regen time, not worth reforging mastery could be an option only if you find yourself getting hard focused and dying all the time, but this should allmost never be the case as blood dk, except maybe in 2x blood dk

[@chdrwb1004]

may i ask for your blood dk pvp build? i've been experimenting between unholy and blood

[@Razoonx]

www.wowhead.com/cata/talent-calc/death-knight/03320200132222311301-320012-2_001sy811s7r21s9d31s7z41sxz51wsk61s9r71s8g81sxd I was using something like this, but Hand of Doom instead of Unholy Command can be really good, depends on how long your games are with ur comp. Same for Deathgrip Glyph can be changed with Strangulate Glyph. Blade Barrier 2/3 vs. Endless Winter are other useful Flex Points.

[@Glasstoker93]

Which runeforge do you use?

[@Razoonx]

fallen crusader overall for most games. second weapon with swordshatter ench vs anything that disarms like rogue etc. third weapon with spellshatter vs stuff like sp mage/rog that will try to full silence the dk alot (alltho this particuar one is probly more useful just for unholy, as blood hardly will die in one silence and gets more value from swordshatter versus class like rogue)

[@Glasstoker93]

@@Razoonx thanks a ton for the explanation man 🤙. What’s the stat priority btw? Mastery>crit>haste?

[@Razoonx]

@@Glasstoker93 np, about the stat priority i think its exactly the other way around xd haste >crit>mastery mastery isnt that useful for blood pvp, cause no one in their right mind would try to kill the blood dk and probly rather go on the mate instead. Maybe for double blood dk it could be more useful, but even then i dont think its that good, cause people kite alot in pvp so bloodshield healing increase is not as realiable. Haste (for Rune Regen speed) and Crit are both nice to have, alltho Deathstrike alrdy crits alot from talents and there is no +crit dmg bonus anymore for blood), so it kinda leaves haste as the most useful secondary stat overall for pvp. Most important is just to get hit cap 5% and spellpen cap 195 and stack as much strength as possible with some resil pvp gear and you are good to go.

[@Glasstoker93]

@@Razoonx makes a lot of sense. I see varying info from old OG cata videos and posts but this makes more sense to me for sure

[@matt198818]

Vanilla cata blood dk pvp was nuts. I remember playing it back in the day people would get so mad. Shame about Vengeance. Does Vengeance work in world pvp or bgs? I haven't played cata classic.

[@Razoonx]

yea no, doesn't work in pvp anymore and made blood dk so broken back then. people will also get mad now ofc :D cause its still kinda troll to face it haha some even think its still the fotm spec like in OG cata, but thats not the case with the changes, in last patch its only rly good for open, bgs (remains inferior to feral as fc for rbgs tho i guess), 1v1s against some classes and in tanking dmg in general so it also somewhat works in 2v2 with another dps especially on a undergeared or low resil char its useful to go blood to start out with pvp, as its tanky af even in low gear, with decent burst dmg

[@LeandroRivera79]

Hi man, good video, congrats, can you tell me stats prority, im new with DK in cata classic. tyvm

[@Razoonx]

strength/resil >> haste >> crit = mastery > other stats for Unholy PvP strength/resil >> mastery > haste > crit > other stats for Frost PvP strength/resil >> haste (or mastery if somehow more def is still needed as Blood) > crit > other stats for Blood PvP also first prio before that with every spec should be: 195 spellpenetration, 5% hitcap or crucial abilities will miss, easy to obtain tho, with blue spellpen gems and reforging for hit now for Resilience: around 3k+ Resil should be fine (most of it will come naturally from pvp gear anyway), can go more if you still prefer more survivability, but even way higher amounts of resil might not save you cause of the high dmg in cata and it doesnt reduce crit anymore, so i mostly prefer to gem strength or orange resil + strength mixed gems in yellow gem slots Unholy is by far the best PvP spec in Cata for serious Arena btw, only for some 2v2 or BGs Blood and Frost is good too

[@Azot333]

How does frost feel in arenas? It seems strong in rbgs but idk about 3v3

[@Razoonx]

Hey, gonna make Frost video next probably. Its ok in 2v2, dies too easy in 3v3 sadly; everyone does so much dmg... Frost itself has insane burst dmg and a root + AOE, kinda works in a 3x DPS rushdown comp with ret (some other comps with a pala could work to some degree as well, didnt test yet).

[@nachgemacht_975]

My experience as main dk (2,3k? rating back than? idk) was that blood really didnt have the utils to counter many matchups it was more like a offtank with some spice. But in long run with hp/dk vs any healcombo it will just be focus on healer and cc on blood dk. Against frost mage or good cc comps. it was just a pain in the a$$ not reaching anybody to do enough. Really the aoe slow and the healabsorb with the dps rotation was deadly if used perfect. And real fun is in BG spamming the dots on everybody 😂

[@ryanpecora8517]

gem/ench/reforge prio?

[@Razoonx]

strength and haste after 5% hitcap and 195 spellpen cap, its bascially same prio as unholy (except that you could get away with even less tanky gear/lower resil if you want)

[@derekporter66]

What's the rotation

[@MrChrisbbl]

death strike

[@Razoonx]

deathstrike and runestrike kekw diseases and sometimes heartstrike/coil

[@avipinckney]

My friends keep rolling their eyes at me. Even though they haven’t once beaten me at a duel. But I’m like bro it’s good I promise

[@jeanchristof272]

Hello, playing this haste ?

[@Razoonx]

i was using my unholy gear so yes, it can be played pretty much same gear, 1400 haste

[@jeanchristof272]

​@@Razoonx don't you think you need a cap of expertise?

[@Razoonx]

@@jeanchristof272 no not for pvp

[@Markbukx]

@@Razoonx how did u get 1400 haste? i got only 866 of passive haste with full 365 ilvl pvp gear + reforge

[@Razoonx]

​@@Markbukx i used elementium girdle of pain boe belt from ah, it has perfect stats to reforge and allows you to get ton of haste, cause u can keep haste on all the other items and dont need to reforge them into hit. Oh and i used engi helm and swapped the stats to resil + haste, this way you land on high 13xx haste. If you keep one of the blue pvp rings and reforge hit to haste (or another ring with hit+haste) you get 1424 haste = perfect 7,5 sec rune regen in Blood Presence, which feels kinda smooth as Blood. Afaik this is also a haste value number that Blood DKs in PvE try to reach in Blood Presence. Playing lower haste values is also fine tho cause in PvP cant always get perfect globals anyway, its not must have. Especially as Unholy for tryharding on high Rate with Vanguards or PHD, 800ish haste with high Resil build is probly the way to go, cause need to be pretty tanky to compete and unholy dk is kinda paper in cata. Personally i just enjoyed blasting with ultra high haste builds like that for fun.

[@ChrisTzitzis]

do you just wear normal pvp gear or do you need pve gear for this

[@Razoonx]

normal pvp gear

[@FTW_Wolf]

enjoy fotm builds until classic the war within expansion. XD

[@billypoker7822]

you faced low mmr teams all the way to the top. congrats

[@Brootal1011]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[@avipinckney]

My thoughts exactly

[@Azot333]

Epic

[@aiglemimi]

Please refresh that boneshield and make sure you got 2x diseases applied before spaming DS or HS.... It hurts me :x

[@Razoonx]

no, this is not pve... max deathstrike burst is key in pvp and what u described would be a waste of runes alot of times (HS profits from Diseases but not DS). Even if spam DS might look dumb to you, with the crit talent its the best burst and there is no point caring so much about diseases if people are about to immune them with bubble/block or dispell them (other than that from what i can see i mostly kept diseases if i dont need to burst right there). Same for Bone Shield, especially with long GCD as Blood, if you want to do dmg and are about to lose a potential DS, not worth. Heart Strike would agree, unless you want to force a CD or finish someone off and globals would take too long, but i dont rly see me hsing without Disease anyway in this vid. Sorry, but i can tell that you come from a pve perspective, if you strictly follow the prio you mentioned you will lose out on alot of good globals to apply pressure in a short window :/

[@aiglemimi]

@@Razoonx I'm 2.4 + xp on all class in RBG, arena and 2.6k+ soloshufle... You're not spamming DS all the time, and in the in-between, you should refresh your dots + BS. You just sitting there like a duck waiting for DS spam, getting carried but the Op-ness of the class. Boring, take notes when someone points the obvious instead of tryng to poorly justify your mistakes. Meh...

[@Razoonx]

@aiglemimi sure link me your ironforge pls. (you mean 2,4k+ in cata classic and not retail right? i hope so, otherwise icksdee) 🤦‍♂if you are bursting or about to burst you spam DS, otherwise you refresh your dots (like i did) and BS you can take completely off the bars and just HS with Blood Runes idk its bit cringe getting schooled by some guy thats clearly out of touch with classic arena... no one cares about solo shuffle exp in classic and blood dk "Op-ness of the class" xD rly? its just a meme 2v2 spec in last patch and nobody plays this serious on high rate, let alone dk across all classes has the lowest ranks in 3v3 so i really dont know what you are talking about, again

[@aiglemimi]

@@Razoonx Yet again, you're assuming things to lessen the point I've made. Sad.. You're right, stay the way you are. Cya

[@Razoonx]

@@aiglemimi you still didnt link your ironforge :D

[@khokan898]

Bdk is weak vs range. My frost mage is easy to beat bdk

[@DracoEX]

Theres a way to get around itnwith engineering

[@Ati930804]

Yey your right, if this sht game would let us buy Frost resistance, and put it on some stuffs, that would be good, cuz only mages are the counters.

[@hygienicdonut2344]

Not in arena bruh ​@@DracoEX

[@Wakkathepro]

Screw unholy 😂 im respeccing

[@Razoonx]

xd nah unholy is still better, blood is only good to troll some 2v2 or bgs

[@avipinckney]

@@Razoonxwhat if idk how to play unholy and I don’t want to learn?

[@Razoonx]

idk blood is fine for 2s but not really for 3s, maybe try frost o_o

[@Sinistrobase]

boring to watch. dunno why this crap gets in my video list

[@Activator-df4gj]

Tired of the actionbar art going over details? /run MainMenuBarLeftEndCap:Hide(); MainMenuBarRightEndCap:Hide() This macro removes them

[@Razoonx]

xd i dont rly watch there, its mainly just to check some spells and analysis after the fight so i dont mind but ty

[@mortem9050]

how many blood dks do u have this is just cringe

[@Razoonx]

? xD i have 2 ally and 1 horde dk and mostly play unholy or frost on them. Its not like respecing or dual spec is a big deal in this game lol