Blowers are better than turbos on V8 street cars | fullBOOST

It's hard to go past a well sorted positive displacement supercharger setup on a Sunday V8 street car. We catch up with Con Orphanides of C&A Auto Fashion for a closer look at this very well presented HSV VE GTS.
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It's hard to go past a well sorted positive displacement supercharger setup on a Sunday V8 street car. We catch up with Con Orphanides of C&A Auto Fashion for a closer look at this very well presented HSV VE GTS. *Get your track gear!* 👉 shop.fullboost.com.au If you’d like to be notified every time we upload a video, subscribe and then click the bell icon 🔔 next to the subscription button.

[@sm-r8997]

Thanks to Con, Andrew & the team at C&A for building an awesome car! They've been great to deal with since the first phone call.

[@nathanperry7392]

Blower whines harder than my missus 😂

[@dmystify1381]

i was thinkn the exact same thing....🤣😂😉

[@cameronrussell9362]

@@dmystify1381 Why are all our wives the same?

[@Gooie69]

How can that be when all you Holden boy's have boyfriends.

[@CurtisLSA]

LSA the world !

[@matthewmohri9990]

I've yet to watch this video so what I am saying is off the top of my head from what I have learned in the past. So if I am wrong on some of these reasons I will not argue. I'm testing my own knowledge in a sense. I used to wonder why there weren't as many Turbo V8's as S/C V8's. What I learned was that it wasn't that people don't like the idea of a Turbo V8, it's the issue of heat, room, and that turbos are a bit more complicated. Look at The BMW X5 bi-turbo V8, the BMW X5 bi-turbo makes great power but even if not modded has problems with over heating and the turbo breaking down. The Intercooler placement on a V8 Turbo is also an issue too. Turbo Vettes usually have their turbos in back under the car, which for me would be a bit unnerving, but they work well, yet from the factory I do not know of any car company that would risk that set up for OEM. Turbo's on a V8 are a great idea in theory, to make them work you gotta do a bit of work to make sure everything runs rights and isn't overheating. The S/C, put it on make sure the lines are where they should be, put the pulleys on, and get the right software so things aren't running too rich or too lean, and okay we are good. Yes it's a bit more complicated than that, but it's no where near the headache that a turbo V8 can be.

[@justinfargas2367]

It sounded like the tech said stock intercooler brick with the 2650. Have the C & A guys tried out the upgraded Kong brick and or lid yet. Or the C&R Racing intercooler brick (upgraded stock brick pretty much) by any chance? Thoughts on either? Wasted $$ or worth it on a 427ci 2650 build like this one. Kurt from FI interchillers has come a long way. I bought a whole stage 1 setup, coolant tank etc years ago, never got it fitted though. I love the LSA content FullBoost guys, being my daily driver is LSA powered.( albeit currently stock since new in 2017) Anyways, great video, loved it.

[@Lxzandr]

Harrop blower or the kong blower. Which one is better?

[@MrLincoln87]

Got a harrop 2650i, but on a stock LS3 .. love it

[@FatalError501]

how many km's you done since you've had it?

[@MrLincoln87]

@@FatalError501 its not a daily so not a heap. Did powercruise tho drove there and back 3 days. Uhm maybe 3-5k kms ?

[@FatalError501]

@@MrLincoln87 yeah cool.

[@MrLincoln87]

@@FatalError501 Just wondering why?

[@FatalError501]

@@MrLincoln87 i have a S480 borg warner turbo im getting ready to put on my VF SS 6.0L and starting to have seconds thoughts, was maybe thinking of going supercharged instead. i have a 3 speed BnM reverse pattern ratchet shifter T400 box to drive it too

[@sidbobby3233]

Lovely, proper sleeper 😎😎👊👊👍👍👌👌✌✌

[@Mavo1989]

blower is definately the more fun car to drive - if your chasing numbers go your turbo - but nothing beats a big displacement and blower wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRrrrrrr!

[@TheWretchedWorld]

Positive displacement is king

[@Benjay1975]

Great video guys, awesome car. Keep up the great work

[@azcarter4389]

I know someone who's got a VF with GTS with very similar setup. I believe he's having the inter-chiller installed at the moment. I haven't had a ride in it and I'm not sure if I'd want too. That's a scary amount of power.

[@TaylorJamesBurnett]

Nice build! You can’t beat a supercharged V8 for the street. Do these guys at C&A have an AWD dyno?

[@No1karez]

HILF Holdens I'd Like to Frash 😂

[@stinkfinger1942]

Looks well behaved for the power.

[@onedayiwillmakesomecontent]

That blower frequency is doing some star wars shit to the microphone!

[@ozkatnuss7286]

A supercharged V8 is better than fresh whipped cream on a set of perky Double DDs!! NUFF SAID!

[@mrnicktoyou]

Im about to get my 6.0 LS rebuilt and im considering a supercharger but I honestly think it will be too much power and i can't see how you would use even half of that. Im just going to get a stroker and keep it NA.

[@costagiourtis2531]

You get old of it real quick Even if it’s just a streetcar, you can always have more 😅

[@X3R0NZ]

Just a simple cam swap and some valvetrain upgrades while it's out, and you'll be set. The L98 heads with the cathedral ports flow better as well, just so you know 😉

[@mrnicktoyou]

@@X3R0NZ engine needs to be rebuilt anyway so might as well give it more capacity.

[@MrTroytroy]

Lots of data shows that Supercharged v8’s are notoriously slow on the street on street tyres - up to the speed limit. They do their best work between 150kmh-250km/h - if that’s a useful performance metric. But will still be slower than lighter cars, and turbo 6’s - Thanks to poor gearing and heavy weight

[@Jimboishere11]

Do it, you won’t ever be disappointed that you did. I have an LSA in my E3 GTS. Best thing I ever did to the car, apart from the pulley upgrade and cam😂

[@jameshatton4211]

Does it have air con though? 😛

[@tocsa120ls]

cue the Elmo meme about breaking in a blower :D

[@MRJZA75_34]

Plz make a FC3S rx7 and mk3 Supra I love 90s retro shirt!!! I’ll continue to post this same comment until my ridiculous demands are met.

[@FatalError501]

There's no replacement for displacement

[@feralpanda5084]

awesome car. can it get the power to the ground from a launch?

[@MrTroytroy]

Statistically - no. I guarantee this will be slower 0-100 compared to a stock one on the street. Of course it will be quicker on a prepped track with drag radials. But as a performance street car it will be heavily compromised below the speed limit. It will do its best work on the Autobahn that Australia has between 150-250km/h.

[@smithy2]

Can you make 1000hp with a supercharged 5.4? ("Street car" not illegal) I like the boost at 2k but

[@X3R0NZ]

The 5.4 boss are known to be finicky when trying to squeeze more power out of them. At least nowhere near as easily as LS stuff. You're probably better off building a coyote 5.0 if you wanna play with modern Ford motors 👍

[@smithy2]

@X3R0NZ I'd love a blown coyote, but I've heard 5.4s like boost, but haven't seen any big power supercharged modulars, and the only 1000hp ones are twin turbo... And the Elephant in the bay is just drop in a Barra

[@X3R0NZ]

Obviously it'll be easy to crank 1000+ when you've got 427ci/7.0L to play with. Find a LS7 or the equivalent LSX crate and there's 500+ already, straight out of the box. And yeah the barra six does a decent job

[@jcr6548]

Nice looking car and sounds and goes like snot out of a chrome nostril 🤙

[@xeftones]

On say a straight 6 definitely go turbo but for a street LS a supercharger is the way to go. People get into di*k measuring contests and want 1200hp. If you can't have fun with 600-700hp on the street you don't know how to drive.

[@Jimboishere11]

It’s a Clubsport. Not a GTS.. still tough tho.

[@AlistairLattimore]

Swweeeeettttt !

[@auskilluminati333]

Mint as But. It's no mangmang

[@techo61]

Great review boys, apart from the swearing. Didn't your mother teach you not to say 'electric car'?

[@bobbyd642]

LSA stuff now is just too common. Its boring now. Impressive nonetheless, although, blowers need more maintenance and do not last as long normally.

[@MrLincoln87]

what more maintenance and what do you mean not last long?

[@bobbyd642]

@@MrLincoln87 Blower oil changes. Hard on belts. 200k on a blower is out of the question for longevity comparison.

[@ryno1808]

Holy lord dude...

[@Den-ml7zg]

Assuming your based in Aus how is th parts selection for the holdens. Im in the states and parts are pretty scarce.

[@billballin6948]

First of all, is it an LSA or a 2650? Second, it doesn’t make peak boost at 2000rpm. That would be impossible with a positive displacement supercharger, unless that’s the farthest the engine is being revved to.

[@Lachyomusic69]

Do your research buddy

[@billballin6948]

@@Lachyomusic69 already have. That’s how I know you clowns are talking out the ass

[@sm-r8997]

​@billballin6948 You can see at the start of the video the boost levels across the rev range. These kong 2650/harrop 2650i superchargers are a direct replacement for an LSA 1900 with the bigger rotors & porting to match.

[@billballin6948]

@@sm-r8997 thank you for pointing that out. That makes it even more clear that peak boost is not made down at 2000rpm, but at the top of the rpm range just like a positive displacement blower should. However, I still can’t tell whether this is an LSA or a 2650 as they still refer to it as both in the video.

[@sm-r8997]

@@billballin6948 14-15psi from take off is pretty good! This supercharger setup can be all stock LSA and just change the housing to a direct replacement 2650 rotor pack in the stock size housing. So you can use the stock lid/hat with the stock intercooler brick for water to air cooling. Use the stock LSA drive pulleys. You don't really need to change anything else. it's quite a cheap way of making decent power if you have a factory fitted LSA. There's an older c&a video with a vf gts with this same supercharger & stock bottom end making 611rwkw Don't necessarily need the big cubes and built motor. The reason why it was spoken more about this car was because it comes factory LS3, not a supercharged LSA. So all the pulleys and lid etc were bought separately to make it work, makes it expensive but looks quite factory and works well. Hope that makes sense 👍

[@paulcoote3094]

If the blower belts don't slip they are better.

[@JDeubel]

You can make pretty much equal power with every set up myself for streetcar I prefer either crazy and they build and some nitrous and I also prefer a built motor with small turbos similar to that blower mini small blower I have all these guys I know and Friends jacket oversized turbos and by the time and thinks pulls up yes it makes power but it's on the road the lake really gets them unless they're in the Boost at hiboost Power shifting or have the automatic transmission shifting at a high gear with small turbo is like a small blower it's spools of fast and Carries through the whole RPM level that way you have the power unlike the giant turbo cars that leg like when I race Supras these guys are the Supras want to go 80 mph roll because their turbo is so big and so leggy this is why I like the smaller turbos even a smaller ProCharger will spool up faster for the street you want small displacement forced induction or a nitrous controller to too well the nitrous the ramp in Lake a turbo or blower

[@needmoreboost6369]

Duff ark? I thought my writing was hard to understand! Just stick one of these …dot looking things in there every now and then!

[@Jimboishere11]

Ever heard of a full stop? It looks like this. .😂

[@spiro5327]

Fantastic but after 6 months the owner may want a 1300HP upgrade

[@bigcncguy]

Not really, 1000hp blown is wild on the streets

[@BUZDRIFT]

@@bigcncguy 1000hp with either is wild on the streets, it's never enough as you know! V8's have plenty of torque as the y are, it's the nature of the beast! Still prefer turbo, especially in a V8! If all you're after is skids then yes, blow the shit out of it lol! Blow....... Plus, Supercharger setups are at least 3 time more expensive than a turbo setup, which would have more potential output!

[@mirshitin1775]

Time for a 2K Barra then 😎

[@BUZDRIFT]

@@mirshitin1775 2K jz is cheaper!

[@brycemarten6580]

I think after 6 months the owner would want the power turned down a blown 1000hp V8 on the street let alone the track is fucking insane you’d never get traction

[@The_forgotton_one]

Blower is too small Turbo is way better on the street mine is mellow until I change the wastegates and 1500hp

[@codebus]

Nope.

[@pB-ox3qr]

BMW M5 cs 1000hp factory V8 ..no need to spend any more on plug and play tunes etc . Stuffing around with GM has its limitations. And vary costly ...

[@fullboost]

1000hp at the hubs is impressive in any car. 👍

[@TheHayabusa09]

When Ford owners spend (and they've shyly quoted) around $60-80k to get their Barra 4.0LT to churn out upwards of 750BHP, you can pretty much guess this set-up is in the vicinity of $100k..

[@vlt873]

Where did you get that figure?

[@corporalpunishment1133]

2k Barra bloke get your facts straight. 😂

[@Xxassass1n021xX]

$60k to get 750hp is a joke

[@ReaLzEdits]

80K hahah. Mate.... I think you need to shop around

[@ChristopherHallett]

Your mates are full of shit. Yes, the $2k Barra meme is also bullshit, but getting 750 flywheel horsepower out of a Bara is NOT "$60-80k". Fuck, 1000 wheel horsepower can be had for under $25k, that's why the engines are so wildly popular..

[@MrT-lh1bw]

Lol hub dyno

[@fullboost]

Hub dynos rule :)

[@needmoreboost6369]

Why laugh out loud seeing a mean car on an awesome dyno? That just doesn’t make sense!

[@mudzy9820]

turbos just dont sound good on a v8, muffles it abit

[@stant1613]

Clubsport/GTS all the same thing. GTS owners...

[@TURBOTRISTO]

first

[@nitrozack3062]

Turbo is boring

[@BUZDRIFT]

For low rpm torque snappiness Yes, but Blowers like that will never make as much power as a turbo will, You can but your bonnet would have to be a meter tall for a street car lol! IMO V8's have plenty of low down torque ITFP, so turbo is the way to go as you've got the torque already!

[@X3R0NZ]

You are right. Both set-ups have their merits. It all comes down to application and preference 👍