REA CONVINCED ME TO WIN A HUGE VINTAGE BABE RUTH CARD AT GOLDIN AUCTIONS

[@RipFan8]

Hi Dave. a real beautiful eye appealing card of Ruth, I love this image of him. A great story about the two auction houses. REA certainly demonstrated what customer service stands for, even though you were not purchasing this card from them. Well done, thanks Stephen

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks for the kind words Stephen!

[@mikesbaseballcards]

Asking Goldin Auctions sounds like asking a question to a politician. Unbelievable n vague to say the least. That card of The Babe is a beauty. As for the Mantle, looks like 2 different cards with coloring n the creases.

[@Bluejacket66]

It’s the same card…. Their scanner is the Botox model though

[@stuke1976]

Awesome purchase Dave! I really like the real-photo aspect of the cards. The response from Goldin was a pure and adulterated Cop out. Glad you were able to research and find the best description of the card. I had about 30 of the mailing envelopes for the Worch cards, about 15-20 years ago. Sold them all on Ebay, as I didn't collect them. I did a KZbin video about month ago from my local card shop, Ultimate Collectibles. At the 7:49 mark of the video, I show 12 of a group of 20+ Worch Tobacco cards, including Lou Gehrig, Grove, Gehringer, Traynor and Gomez.

[@Bluejacket66]

Ok, I’ll check it out- thanks!!!

[@ottoolsen7640]

Dave, this is a beautiful card! And the look on your face after you read the last Courtney email was priceless. Sad isn’t it? REA are the kings of the auction houses. Thanks.

[@Bluejacket66]

It’s pitiful they would even consider sending such a sterile response to a customers inquiry

[@beansballcardblog]

Another great video, Dave. Even though I don’t collect (or have much interest in) the cards you show and discuss, I watch all of your videos. I appreciate the hobby knowledge that you put out there for us. Also, I love how unique your content is. Even vintage accounts I follow talk about the same cards and/or have the same recycled guests over and over.

[@Bluejacket66]

That’s very kind of you, and your watching content not aligned with your collecting habits is a huge compliment!!

[@vintagecardnerd]

Great card and great information concerning the respective auction houses. all the best, Ronnie

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks for checking in Ronnie

[@ACollectorsDream]

Incredible Ruth card. Extremely rare, congrats. You are correct about Goldin, REA is the best.

[@Bluejacket66]

Hi Orlando I’m very happy despite the stress of it all😅

[@chrismuir5398]

REA is undefeated. Oh and awesome Ruth pickup!

[@Bluejacket66]

💪

[@jimmygunz6762]

Tough when you’re forced to support a company you’d rather not because they haven’t earned your business they just happen to have had to good fortune of having a very rare card you were interested in. Great research to protect yourself and make a good informed purchase. Man, that Mantle would have damn near broke my heart. Great video Dave and congratulations on an AMAZING addition brother!!!!!

[@Bluejacket66]

I’ll be honest. My using them is hypocritical

[@JunkWaxHero]

Look at the centering on that! Great photo too.

[@JunkWaxHero]

Wow that creased Mantle is crazy… it had to have been airbrushed out, right? (I’ll hang up and keep watching)

[@JunkWaxHero]

Great story, Dave. Thanks for sharing.

[@Bluejacket66]

All I know is the picture does not highlight it’s true appearance!!

[@Bluejacket66]

Thank YOU for tuning in my friend

[@halfcenturycollectingcards]

I have also had nothing but good experiences with REA, including an email direct from Mr. Dwyer on a question I had on a lot. The '71 vending box I have been slowly opening/ going through came from an REA auction.

[@the_wb_collection]

Thank you for sharing your story. I will certainly second guess Goldin descriptions/photos from here on out. Thanks.

[@Bluejacket66]

Seems prudent….

[@paulsantos7358]

Beautiful Ruth. Great grab. Keep up the good work.

[@Bluejacket66]

Thank you Paul

[@jamesnguyen7069]

@6:12 nice

[@the_card_closet]

Love the story! Amazing pickup, congrats!

[@Bluejacket66]

Thank you

[@chrisfrommissouri]

That card is amazing. Thanks for sharing your experiance with auction houses

[@Bluejacket66]

Hi Chris- hope you enjoyed

[@kevinjones9685]

I have my grandfather's Lou Gehrig and Lefty Grove from the Worch Cigar Series. Lefty Grove and those Philadelphia A's teams were his favorite. He loved Lou Gehirg because he was Catholic :)

[@Bluejacket66]

That Gehrig is amazing!!!

[@SplendidSports]

That’s how you do it REA!

[@Bluejacket66]

Anybody interested in prewar should just read their auction descriptions. Tons of great info!!!

[@rjcollectssets1839]

Good insight into cooperative auction houses. You are of course correct. At your price-point they should be more responsive. Thanks for sharing.

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks RJ- I was surprised…. Well maybe not

[@sfisportscards8323]

That's an amazing Ruth! I've visited REA but have never put a bid in. I might have to revisit them because they usually have a good reputation. Thanks for letting us in on your experience. Love the '29 Kashin set too!

[@Bluejacket66]

REA is an education

[@gregdobrick3410]

Sweet Ruth, I hope you picked a nice card or two yesterday. I was lucky enough to win a 54 bowman Williams. It’s only a 4 but dead centered.

[@Bluejacket66]

What a card! Congrats Gary

[@greatnorthern706]

Cool bit of history here. I am going to have to keep an eye out for these cards. The Millers were pretty much a Triple A club that had a ton of future superstars pass through (Mays, Williams, Yaz among many others). Met Stadium, the first home of the Twins was actually built for the Millers in 1956 and it was hoped that it would draw the New York Giants here. I would love to find some of the Millers cards!

[@Bluejacket66]

I don’t see them very often but keep your eye out!

[@billysikes1374]

Great pickup Dave, My dads guy was Mickey, That's why I try to get whatever Mantle cards I can afford, That sucks about the hotdog Mickey Mantle

[@Bluejacket66]

It’s still a super card. The auction pic was trash

[@richardprice8951]

Thank you for the education you have provided in this video. I can safely say, Goldin has been scratched from my list of potential auction houses I will consider using when I want to sell my high end cards. Thanks again.

[@Bluejacket66]

I think their are better options . Probably best for high end modern though

[@markcastanza7918]

Absolutely agree with REA being the best auction house; the responses you received from both Goldin and REA tells it all; have never been disappointed with an REA auction; that Ruth is spectacular; as always thanks for sharing!

[@Bluejacket66]

Kind words Mark, thank you

[@whitesoxfancardcollector]

Your criticism is warranted; and I also would expect better customer service with any item at that price range. Thank you for sharing your experience.

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks for the comments!

[@JrBaseballFanatic12]

Wow!! Incredible Ruth!!! Thank you for sharing the card and your experience. Invaluable 🙏🏻

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks for the watch!

[@jasonjanega3537]

Very interesting information. I think this good information. Transparency and communication are lost with todays customer service or lack there of. I think it’s important to share this type of information for others to be aware of and to learn from.

[@Bluejacket66]

I hope so and if someone at Goldin would stumble upon the video- I’d hope they’d learn from it rather than get defensive

[@LegendsNeverDieCollection]

That’s a crazy story. Not gonna lie Dave, I thought you were going to send REA’s response to Goldin and say “this is how it’s done” 🤪😂

[@Bluejacket66]

I thought I kept the REA communication but couldn’t find it for my video

[@phillipkoestel6557]

Dave, I respect your due diligence! I really your content I always learn something new, Thanks

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks Phillip

[@mikethesportshistorycollec1947]

Beautiful Ruth. I've never used Goldin but heard enough about them to give them a wide berth. Congrats on winning!

[@Bluejacket66]

To each their own. I guess I’d be a hippocrite to say not to use them. Just be diligent

[@jeffairtime3412]

Awesome Ruth and story! ............... C'mon Courtney!!!!

[@Bluejacket66]

Right?!

[@garycarrock5915]

Hi Dave, love the Babe Ruth congratulations on the purchase! Thanks for showing!

[@Bluejacket66]

Hi Gary. I’m really proud of it

[@michaelpiccinini1391]

Rea auctions by far best service

[@Bluejacket66]

👍 REA, Love of the game , Sterling all have great customer service

[@poormansstack]

Makes me never want to bid through them. REA did a good job. It is a nice a looking card Dave.

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks my friend

[@theshowandme]

Awesome card and story! I recently met one of the writers at REA that writes the lot descriptions. They really do their homework and provide a great service. Appreciate you sharing this story with us -Don

[@Bluejacket66]

They know there cards. Lessons in every auction

[@michaelpiccinini1391]

Ruth is amazing

[@Bluejacket66]

I am very very happy with that card Michael!!!

[@michaelpiccinini1391]

Love the insight your videos provide, not to mention the beautiful cards

[@Bluejacket66]

Thank you Michael

[@MrJmangini]

Fantastic. I have the Foxx and Hubbell. Would love to have the Ruth. Congrats!

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks John!

[@garylee190]

First and foremost, you've confirmed my opinion of REA. Secondly, something is totally amiss regarding the two photos of the Stahl-Meyer Mantle. Not only the crease issue but also the clarity, at least based on what I saw from your screen shot. Lesson for all of us, don't take an auction house' description without due diligence on one's own behalf. Thanks for the information AND the education Dave!

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks Gary! Yeah….. that’s not right

[@mememaker9146]

It looks like Auction houses are like dating sites. Their aim is to show the cards in the best way to make the sale and not to reflect any and all imperfections. What is odd is that after decades of business there is no industry standard for lighting/resolution of items advertised. Its still a wild west anything goes. Goldins response was passable. A PSA 3 is whatever PSA deems a 3. When I sell cards people that ask too many questions scare me. I feel they will be quick find a reason to return something. On another note what do you think of Veriswap? You can post your collection and trade with others. Its mostly modern cards because they need more mature users to post vintage. But it would be a game changer if they did.

[@Bluejacket66]

I’ve never heard of veriswap? All auction houses have had their issues I guess

[@brianpowell7416]

Dave, many years ago, before grading companies began their worthwhile service and business, I annoyed many a dealer over the phone with my "20 questions" about a card I was interested in. I always remembered the dealers who were honest and accurate in their grading. I say this in tandem with your comments about the 2 different auction houses. With the one, you got nowhere, with a runaround and avoidance of trying to help you. I imagine you will NEVER do business with them again. This kind of aggravation and frustration attaches itself to the item and can create a negative connotation between you and the card; however, since Robert Edward Auctions came to your rescue, and because they had handled the exact same card, and really tried to help you, now any time you admire the Worch Cigar Babe Ruth, you'll think of REA all the way! The other auction house is a "BEAT IT, BOY; YA BOTHER ME!" whereas Robert Edward Auctions is a "SURE, BUDDY; LET'S SEE WHAT WE GOT HERE." Your pre-war regional Babe Ruth is a honey, and I love it. The full-length pose is outstanding. Congratulations, my friend. Outstanding video, and very important for your fellow hobbyists to listen to closely.

[@brianpowell7416]

Furthermore, since this IS a $10,000 plus card, you most assuredly are entitled to ask your 20 questions, and get good answers to all 20! Dave, no need to apologize for feeling the way you do about ascertaining why a card is only a "3" when it looks like a 6.

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks Brian I suppose I’m a victim ( or perpetrator) of “ stuff trumps all”. I try to take the high road, but I did chase this card despite a lot of reservation! Cheers my friend

[@brianpowell7416]

@@Bluejacket66 Well, I'm just thrilled for you that you got a Babe with fabulous eye appeal and a happy ending. Since so many of Babe's cards are beautiful but itzie-bitzy, a regal over-sized Bambino will have a not so subtle way of standing out among all your others. For what it's worth, another regional Ruth, that German 1932 Sanella Margarine has a mesmerizing pose of 1921 or so. I researched what years the Yanks wore white hats, and it was during the very early years when the Mighty Babe joined the Yankees and rewrote the record books. It may be common, but it's uncommonly beautiful and also oversized. Sorry Dave, I'm off the track. Take care, my friend. -- Brian

[@ChuckNorthSideGuy]

I really like this image. My question.......and not being snarky.....I am genuinely interested......where do you find out about these kind of cards? I am moving through the world of collecting vintage and have absolutely NO idea about the existence of some of these issues! I would love to add some of these pieces to my collection, but I guess I need to know about them first! Thanks for the education, and congratulations on this fine addition!

[@Bluejacket66]

1) get a Standard catalog of vintage baseball cards ( used on Amazon or wherever). It has every single vintage cards/ set made with description 2) I’m on Net54baseball.com everyday practically- learning 3) I look at every single sports card auction. You can find list of auctions and dates at oldcardboard.com or auction report.com I look through every auction to learn even if not buying Robert edwards auctions Heritage auctions Love of the game auctions Memorylane auctions Milehighcardcompany auctions Sterling auctions Huggins and Scott auctions There’s dozens more Those are my favs

[@ChuckNorthSideGuy]

@@Bluejacket66 thank you for the great reply I now have a very fun journey! I wonder what I will find,.

[@steelcitydw]

Great card Dave! Congrats on the pickup! I'll say hi if I see you at the National and don't hesitate to bring any 40s Warren Spahn or Ralph Kiner for trade (that's what I'm looking for next week!)

[@Bluejacket66]

👍

[@AbelinVegas]

Goldin sells the grade not the card. They are interested in how much money they can make by adding descriptions to bring up the price of auctions as opposed to an accurate description that helps a buyer make a good decision. Great looking card nonetheless.

[@Bluejacket66]

They definitely are great salesmen!

[@nufcedcards]

I will echo that REA is, hands down, the best large auction house. I think there are some smaller outfits with similarly great customer service, but as far as major auction houses, it is REA and then everyone else. Fantastic card, Dave. I’m glad you were able to get it even if the process was a pain in the ass…

[@Bluejacket66]

I’m a little guilty of “ stuff trumps all”

[@MarkfromKy]

Wow Dave great Ruth card very nice, man I see why you were apprehensive about buying the Ruth from Golin they totally misrepresented the Mantle card. The card you received was a night and day difference in my eyes you did not get the card you were bidding on. Goldin customer service was terrible they gave you the same answer twice and never answered your question REA to the rescue Glad everything worked out with the Ruth

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks Mark. Goldin is very suspect in many many ways

[@michaelpiccinini1391]

Waiting for my Rea auctions to end

[@Bluejacket66]

You bidding on anything?

[@michaelpiccinini1391]

@@Bluejacket66 3 mantles and a Clemente plus a Paul hornung in PSA 9

[@SilverJackify]

I reached out once with a similar question for an item on eBay and the dude blocked me 😂. What a useless answer from Goldin! Looks I’ll be checking out REA in future auctions. Unbelievable card by the way…wow😮

[@Bluejacket66]

Joe I wouldn’t be surprised if Goldin blocks me. Probably won’t because I’m a flea to them. You think they have a little more to offer a potential client though

[@NuthinFancyCollectibles]

Dave, you didn’t call me and ask if I was bidding on that beautiful Ruth card. That’s about the Worch thing to happen to me lately. 😉

[@Bluejacket66]

I see what you did there….

[@larrygitlin6017]

Beautiful Ruth. Congratulations on your magnificent pickup despite the silly answers you got from Goldin. Isn't Goldin now owned by PSA?. I participate and buy often from REA, in fact have a bid on the auction that ends today.. In the past ,I bought from Goldin game used bats ,autographed items, and cards but have had a bad gut feeling the last couple of years watching their influence on the hobby. Enjoyed the video.

[@Bluejacket66]

Yes REA ENDS TONIGHT… what an auction. Heritage and live of the game end in early May. Tons of super stuff

[@BadgerJeff]

Beautiful Ruth image. Also love that Aaron statue! Holy cow that Mantle crease is unbelievable! I can’t imagine how you felt when you opened it. Great detective work. I’m happy you landed your whale and felt confident in your bid.

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks Jeff. Believe me I love the Mantle, but I did feel duped

[@ZombieCollector69]

That card is as delicious as a Baby Ruth! I only do $1 auctions with free shipping. I hear Goldin is not usually the place to go for those types of auctions!!! This video is smoking so I need to get my Smoker's Jacket out.

[@Bluejacket66]

Ha, I wonder if they still make those??…and what was their purpose?

[@sheblindedmewithrefractors8795]

Great looking card Dave. Pretty much all of my knowledge about auction houses comes from yourself and a few other collectors that are far more advanced in the auction house world. Even with my novice knowledge in the auction house world I must say that the responses from each auction house doesn't surprise me. I'm glad that things worked out for you in this situation and you were able to get your hands on a great card.

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks Andy.. it was interesting 🙄

[@jackiechapman8189]

Congrats Dave.. You certainly did your due diligence and rightfully so..🤔 Love this beautiful Ruth..😍 Awesome image of the Bambino..😮😉 Take care..👍💕🔥👊

[@Bluejacket66]

Love it Jackie!!

[@vintagebaseball54]

Sweet Babe Ruth,looks amazing Dave!! It is absolutely ridiculous the response Goldin gave you,glad you ended up with it though

[@Bluejacket66]

I’m happy I kept at it, but feel a little dirty buying from them. Not my favorite

[@vintagebaseball54]

@@Bluejacket66 With that type of customer service I could see it being a tough decision

[@evanfraser64]

I wonder if your communications will make the Netflix series!

[@Bluejacket66]

🤷‍♂️

[@4softcorners728]

That’s a tough situation where I know you really wanted the card and you may not see it again for awhile if you pass but it would also be hard to give my money to the self named “ king of collectibles” that gives out such a generic BS response and terrible customer service. Regardless, glad it all worked out and congrats on that beauty!

[@Bluejacket66]

I guess stuff trumps all but I usually try to take the high road

[@Rocketrickj18]

Dave, Great video! I don’t think anyone would disagree with you regarding the way you were treated by Goldin vs REA. I have no experience with auction houses, but I was inclined to try REA based on my limited research. Thanks for sharing! It helps!

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks for checking in and the input!

[@giuliettarenner1343]

Huh..I no longer see the comment we just discussed....🤔

[@Bluejacket66]

I’m not sure what comment. But I never erase comments. I can take criticism

[@giuliettarenner1343]

@@Bluejacket66 No No.. it was an agreeable exchange btwn us.. 👍,,,not Criticism ,,it was pertaining to getting "Stonewalled" by certain Sellers when asking them to provide additional "Verbal" Confirmation Pertaining to the Condition of A Card,, and ONLY being given the "Please Refer to photos for Condition" line as an "auto dismissal" way of Eluding their obligation to provide Clarity and Transparency for there Prospective Buyers....and in any Regards, You were SPOT ON in your assessment & powers of reductive reasoning, A well sussed out analogy Altogether...and don't feel to guilty about having to "Pry" this GEM Out of the clutches of "GOLDINS GRASP".....some might say that was noble & even Heroic....Chivalry is NOT DEAD! Long LIVE THE SULTAN OF SWAT!!! THE BAMBINO!!! THE CALIPH OF CLOUT...#3⚡Babe Ruth...⚾

[@mackymintle7806]

Seems like Courtney was a temp, hired to answer everything with a generic form letter. “Customer service “ has gone the way of the dodo…. Maybe it’ll get resurrected too?🤪👍

[@topps85401]

Always a good move to check with fellow collectors before picking up a monster like that gorgeous Ruth. Thanks for sharing the card and story! A little bit of a discrepancy on the Mantle is an understatement. Good move on reaching out to Golden and REA.

[@bobbybaseball4064]

I've had similar issues with Goldin as you had with your Mantle. Its not cool! They are great but I think are a bit too overzealous in trying to maximize price at the expense of buyers and their willingness to accept something that looks much worse in real life than in their pictures. This type of overzealousness is very dangerous imho and can lead to bad things.

[@Bluejacket66]

It’s not overzealous….it’s fraud

[@JStottlemire1]

I’m so glad you landed this regardless of circumstances. Fortunately you landed as well in a very fair range. This one is very coveted in my eyes also. This pose is also found on the 1930 W554 Ruth. Btw it’s “Josh” lol although my mom once told I was almost named Justin. 😂😂

[@Bluejacket66]

Sorry Josh!! I know that . There are tons of Jason’s on KZbin!!

[@JStottlemire1]

@@Bluejacket66 it’s ok the wife and I just laughed. I knew. No harm, no foul.

[@mikearmstrong4015]

Beautiful card Dave! I love the Gehrig in that set.

[@Bluejacket66]

I agree the Gehrig is awesome Mike

[@vintagesportscards8265]

Definitely poor lighting practices by Goldin still a amazing card!

[@Bluejacket66]

Yep…. poor lighting

[@vintagesportscards8265]

@@Bluejacket66 supposed to say listing… autocorrect got me

[@4LeafCards]

Beautiful card! Can't find good help these days, you'd think they would be helpful for the premiums they get

[@Bluejacket66]

It was an odd, sterile encounter

[@jrsportscardschronicles3587]

Congrats on picking up that Babe Ruth Dave! The Mantle Stahl Meyer I would almost say is a different card you received from that of the scans. Although the border edges look the same. But there must've been some major photo shop going on in that scan to make that crease go away. Just lowering the contrast or brightness will not make that crease go away in the image. Very deceptive.

[@Bluejacket66]

Scanners can do crazy things but I’d think you want your picture to best represent the card

[@returntocollecting]

Great points on Goldin Dave! I've had issues with Goldin in the past as well. Now that they're part of Collectors, they seem even worse. Not to mention the conflict of interest of the grading company being owned by the same parent as the auction house. I'm sure there isn't any silliness going on there. I never again buy from a seller who burns me on a doctored pic. Its tough because some of the rare stuff only comes up at auction. There are a few cards on my list that I'll probably never get because they never show up at the big shows. The downside of the hobby for sure. Excellent video as usual! Thanks for sharing!

[@Bluejacket66]

Any auction house that partners with a grading company is a huge conflict of interest

[@mikevelvick9442]

That's crazy that they gave you the runaround. Not very good business practice.

[@Bluejacket66]

They’re big shots

[@ClementeCollector]

An eBay seller, with a $10 card, would answer your questions. What a joke! It’s a shame ppl use Goldin!

[@Bluejacket66]

You’re not wrong

[@PickerJimS]

Wow Dave congrats on picking up that beautiful Worsch Cigar Babe Ruth! Man that is a beautiful 3! Such crappy customer service by Goldin. Sorry to hear about what they did with that Stahl Meyer Mantle. I’ve heard of eBay sellers doctoring photos to cover up defects but I never imagined a major auction house would do that! That’s being intentionally deceptive, I would have been pissed!

[@Bluejacket66]

I don’t know the reason… but their scan did not represent the card well

[@rockinyouallnight]

In summary: Hi Dave, I'm not giving you the information that you requested, as that would require me to get off my fat @$$. Send me your money a.s.a.p. -Courtney.

[@Bluejacket66]

I think that’s pretty much it

[@leftyndv10]

They must have hired some PWCC reject scammers to do their scanning work. Seems par for the course Nice cards Dave

[@Bluejacket66]

Yes, please represent the card as it appears to the naked eye

[@davebolaton7639]

Seriously? You made this and put it in public? You KNOWINGLY did business with a company that previously ripped you off. That has the nameplate of a guy that sold overpriced crap to unsuspecting people, that was named as a person having his items shilled through Mastro and is generally shady as heck - which you experienced first hand. And your patting yourself on the back for using other resources to ensure that the drug dealer didn't rip you off this time! YOU ARE THE PROBLEM! Don't do business with scumbags. Its not tough. You just help to support all those in the hobby that make it LESS than it could be. When PWCC next rips you off please spare us the pity party.

[@Bluejacket66]

Thanks for watching

[@Retro_Fan]

Ken Goldin is a complete tool. Nice card though.

[@Bluejacket66]

He doesn’t come off as someone I’d enjoy to be around🤷‍♂️