ALICE Kit: PEAK Boomer Gear Performance

[@AdministrativeResults]

The archeologists of retro gear

[@mrdrprof99]

You missed an A there

[@AZDesertExplorer]

Come down to the white tanks, let’s blow some shit up!

[@ifreedoms6823]

Dad please come back home

[@M-1996A1]

Nice

[@קעז-מענטש]

Fr

[@danielbowman7226]

90% of time you won't be shooting. You will be sweating, being thirsty, hungry, dirty and cold. Alice has that covered pretty well.

[@nickpaquette9378]

It’s also more civilized in a way you could down grade the kit and go hiking and fishing. I’ve even seen w old timer fashion one into his own carpentry belt. 200round Saw pouch with insert he had was clutch. Told me it’s cheap enough to replace and make things work. He was the one to inspire me to just spend $65

[@zsd101]

I used ALICE back in the late 1980's when i was in the Army. It might have had some ability for modularity, but that was during the heyday of 'dress-right-dress' ladder-climbing officers; everyone carried limited gear in exactly the same manner, irregardless of comfort, individual preference, etc... ALICE absolutely SUCKS when trying to use the Medium or Large ALICE pack (I use a different one now). However, given what's available now, I still prefer ALICE gear over MOLLE. There are starting to be more reports coming from 'high speed schools' and such about how when you go though "Jungle Phase", or "Jungle Warfare School in Africa", vines, sticks, twigs, etc..., have an amazing ability to reach in and pluck out just about every piece of gear that is 'secured' with velcro, or taco-bungee cords. When you do an assault course in the mud, velcro FAILS when it gets packed with mud. Those hi-speed open top taco mag holders, simply cake the mud in and will make whatever was in there, mags, tourniquet, whatever, nearly unusable. In a true ground fighting type of war, where troops are on foot, and not in vehicles, MOLLE has some severe limitations. OTOH, if most of your operations are mounted, MOLLE gear is second-to-none. As a civilian who is concerned about how things might go in my world, where I really might be out in the woods / mud / hiking long distances, ALICE is what still made the most sense for me. Just my $0.02.

[@dylanwight5764]

High-speed has always been funny to me because you can get very high speed with a properly configured belt and harness as long as you train with it. I follow the NZSAS Vietnam practice. It's inspired by the older still M1956 pattern gear with an M1951 pattern X-strap harness, although I've been using nylon reproductions over the original canvas. If you can't find a reproduction M1951 X-strap harness you can use a nylon LC1 H-strap instead for the same effect. I have found it's better to have a stable belt system carrying the essentials (medical, repair, reloads, canteens) and a disposable day pack for the non-essentials (sleep system, rations) and nothing is more stable than an X-strap or H-strap. If you'd rather have more than four to six reloads on you, run a Chicom type chest rig beneath the harness. It all works together very well.

[@kurtrussell5228]

I'm an old soldier too, i can't add anything too what you said, you're spot on.....especially "everyone carried limited gear in exactly the same manner, irregardless of comfort, individual preference, etc" haha! Yup! That's how it was! I remember that.

[@mr.dinder9287]

Just run the belt a little lower and allow the butt pack to create a shelf for the pack. Works great

[@jakesneed3146]

What was the issue using the packs with the Alice gear? I’ve hiked a good bit using the medium Alice back/frame and loved it and I’ve been thinking about getting an Alice kit to use with the pack.

[@SgtMcCullin]

@@jakesneed3146 There shouldn't be any problem with that combo. Don't know what he's talking about man..

[@basicdude7940]

Impressive. Very nice. Let’s see Paul Allen’s boomer kit

[@henrik3056]

Pfp makes it even funnier

[@sirg-had8821]

It has a water mark...

[@innawoodsman]

I'm too poor to afford a modern chest rig, so I went down to the surplus store and got some ALICE gear for like $50 total. Glad to see someone else out there is rocking the boomer drip

[@presidentmerkinmuffley6769]

I opted for similar, few upgrades H harness and Molle belt sleeve. Also a basic condor chest rig (MCR5 and 6) is about 40 bucks.

[@roofer3608]

@@presidentmerkinmuffley6769, I rocc my alice over my condor plate carrier too.

[@JohnSmith-fv7gi]

you can pick up chicom chest rights for $10-$15 and they work wonderful for stanags, AK mags, Fal mags, all kinds of stripper clips, long pistol mags with the toggles closed but flap moved to the side. even if you can only afford a hipoint PCC there is something for you that will work great.

[@gavin7772]

I just got one cause I didn’t want to learn hella systems just want to train with my trusty Alice and when the need arises throw a plate carrier over the top of it

[@AlexKS1992]

I use surplus ACU gear because it’s cheap and almost new. Although ALICE is good.

[@fireemblemistrash75]

I built my own Alice setup piece by piece, and I am loving it. Its not as flashy as modern kits but has that vintage feel

[@corvoshlorpe3849]

Went to boot camp for the USMC in 2006 and we were still using ALICE gear in bootcamp. Only thing we used that wasn't ALICE was the ILBE field pack and ILBE Day pack.

[@romeosgenericchannel3971]

Same! Except 2008 , army basic training in fort sill we wore the Alice LBV , over top of IBA s LOL

[@nobodyimportant9127]

Ft benning 2007, same

[@ab5olut3zero95]

Was issued ALICE gear in Cadet Land from 06-09. It’s simple, light, and functional.

[@anthonydowns9632]

Same in 07 with the Army. I still have a full kit in bdu pattern 😊. Got to keep all the old shit when I got out in 2016. Even the dog shit Kevlar that is prob pre 1990 lol. Better than nothing in that department. Love my kit though! 8 rifle mags,2-4 pistol mags depending,4 frag pouches,2 canteens with cups,and added an ifak etc etc.

[@woodsghost9088]

ALICE is made for a foot mobile force because it moves the weight to the hips and carries essentials for movement from patrol base to the objective. Of course it can be used in an AFV or IFV, but has comfort limitations which pushed towards using chest rigs or mags/gear mounted to armor. SADF chest rig is for vehicle mobile patrols and has lots of other side benefits and was used as end users saw fit. SADF battle vest is for foot mobile patrols and was used as end users saw fit. But is built for something of a field sustainment role. Replace those ALICE clips with zip ties. Lighter and less likely to lose gear. Also more comfortable.

[@burtbiggum499]

Zip ties are underrated honestly

[@ExplosiveFetus]

My understanding is that the Pattern 83 chest rig was meant for use mainly with the large rucksack. You can't really wear the Pat. 83 vest with a backpack, so if you were going on multi day missions you wore the chest rig and ruck. If it was two days or less you wore the vest. Not saying chest rigs don't work better for vehicle stuff, because they do, but that's my rudimentary understanding on how the pieces of kit they had were used.

[@DZ4295DBW]

Or use MALICE clips. Better than either of those two options

[@cortex8239]

No no no. Paracord baby.

[@mr.dinder9287]

Mmmm Paracord

[@beefstuart8769]

That optic height was wayyy before its time. That said a modern interpretation of ALICE webgear would be far better aligned for most folks vs current GWOT gear that revolves around vehicle/helicopter supported transportation and logistics.

[@matthewmc2860]

I recently saw a video on GBRS and they mention that the "new" style is the same as the old style. except now you have to pay extra for the carry handle or the optic riser.

[@presidentmerkinmuffley6769]

Thats where I landed, Molle and Alice together. H harness, Alice belt, Molle sleeve. And what ever pouches I desire. Bonus tip some hyrdation pouches (often in woodland) can ride from the shoulder clips to the bottom rear clips on an H. Just remember to pull it before you toss a carrier on.

[@EricDaMAJ]

ALICE gear is a good solution for a draftee Army with potentially threatened supply lines. It really shines compared to modern gear for long treks through the mountains and jungles searching for elusive enemies. BTW, it’s a good idea to duct tape the Y harness clips to the belt shut. They can pop loose at inconvenient times.

[@branned]

100% agree! The range commando chest rig is not a real all weather field rig. ALICE and MOLLE both are.

[@glennsparks919]

I use mine for bushcraft projects and humidity makes it, the best option. Also the pads are Nylon, if you sweat into the LCII, the pads soak up your sweat and puff out a bunch, can carry a hatchet, food, 1/4 inch kit, portable jumper cables, food, maps and compass, in just the butt pouch. The weight distribution is a god sent in this rig.

[@glennsparks919]

Also, For Buttpack selection, Ive scrapped every single model you can think of on the market right now, and the winner is an (Eberlestock Multi Lid Pack) on Molle-Alice Converter connections. Best option at the moment, everything else is pretty junk-ish. Rothco Trainer (They dont come with the plastic sinch for the pull chord to close the bag, *They went that cheap* Thinking a slip knot, bowline, or tight square knot---to sinch the pullchord, even with the pack loaded full so the knot doesnt have room to move, the minute the pack jiggles, you're gonna take a nice 2 mile stroll, back for all your shit, laying on the forrest floor trail, feeling like a real winner. How much daylight do YOU have to spare to makeup for gear issues? The pack also kinda hangs a little too low-boy from the alice keeper stock position, and does not keep square form Low-Boi Jiggle Jiggles are a no go when youre trying to run. I like that satchell square ass form, thats where them 99 London Bridge packs, be expensive. Fox/Eagle Industries packs (Make you look like a Tokyo Fanatic E-Girl with a Mini Pokemon fan pack on your ass, You cant even boogie in the sticks with it, without feeling dumb, they are stupid.) Wanna-Be London Bridge, Vietnam Satchell copies. (It takes about 30 seconds of good rain to soak all of your dry gear, and make the rig heavier. Do you want more weight?) Get, the Eberlestock, Multi Lid pack. The loops, on the shells exterior allow to add some gauze pouches flipped upside down, a carribeaner with tape, and a shotgun rounds pouch, that you can simply reach at with your hand without fighting nothing. I dont like keeping the pouch on the shoulder straps, get in the way of ANYTHING. The Multi Lid is, AWESOME. Keeps everything inside dry, Plenty of room, doesnt droop like the other packs, more accessories you can attatch to the rear like I said. Also, I keep my rig Salvador loose. Importante'. The butt pack and belt line sit right above the tail bone, and instead of keeping the shoulder straps hook points to the belt up front, or right at my sides, I hook them maybe two holes off to the side of the butt pouch area, makes the shoulder straps super comfy, makes the rig feel much more natural and shaped to your spine, carry more stuff. Keep the belts diameter kinda open and wide at the waist instead of form fit,--- so you can fit, one more cool pouch or gadget cuz why not, dont let the rig pull your pants down either. Never understood the rig belt going above the belly button, sponge bob square pants lookin' ass. And last but not least (They now make A 12 mag, 1911, Molle Pouch) Hallelujah!

[@ronaldborders6814]

Still have my Alice gear. Large Ruck. Belt has two canteens and pouches, and six mag pouches. I was in the 82nd and the extra mag pouches came in handy.

[@ronaldborders6814]

@We Wuz Waaagh!! ! It wasn't too bad. You let the slack out of the suspenders so your belt was below your chute. Then you just put it on along with your chute at the same time.

[@ronaldborders6814]

@We Wuz Waaagh!! ! Nope. MOLLE wasn't a thing when I was in.

[@Bluedevil82nd]

Same here man! 3/504th '91-'94 still have my ALICE gear

[@hic7021]

ALICE is still being issued by the State Guard where I am. Honestly, the system is great. With a few modifications I have been able to take my state issued kit and expand it to utilize ALICE, LCE, MLCE, MOLLE, East German kit, and even British P58 clones.

[@AlphaChimpEnergy]

The MACVSOG bros wore it high off the hips and used the large canteen pouches for mags/frags in place of the actual mag pouches. It always shocked me by how little water they carried and used. I would’ve been out of water within hours of being dropped off. I read, listen and digest all things MACVSOG. It would make my day to listen to Lynne Black give interviews. I think it’s coming! SOG Cast Jocko Podcast John Striker Meyers books Lynne Black Jr book Dick Thompson There’s so much out there now but anytime something drops I’m like a kid on Christmas!

[@paivajcm]

We still use it to this day in Brazil. I've served for about 9 years in the Amazon and there's simply nothing better to wear on that kind of environment. Here we product our on version of the kit, mainly replacing everything made of steel with velcro/ paracord and swapping the suspenders made of nylon to ones made of cordura, to improve the comfort and reduce weight. It's cheap, lightweight, durable, comfortable, offers the modularity required and most important doesn't overheat your body. You can use it with armor under or over the kit without major issues and while the rucksack is on your back. One important aspect is the lack of velcro in the pouches, wich for a muddy environment is great, as it keeps retention and doesn't deteriorate over time. Reloading fast or on the move is something that might seem difficult at the start if you are getting used to the pouches, but is possible with the proper training and the mag pouches can hold basically everything except AK47 mags. Overall a great piece to have

[@eshdizzle]

ALICE is pretty versatile. You can run your LBE high on your chest (like a chest rig) by tightening the straps. This can make it more form fitting which is good for running. NOTE this setup cannot use a butt pack and it helps to replace the ALICE clips on the rear shoulder straps with 50-50 cord (to prevent rubbing holes in your back) when wearing a ruck. Another method is to run the LBE low on the hips (or lower) with a buttpack. When sized correctly the buttpack can act as a shelf for the ruck, and help to distribute its weight. No matter the configuration, we always ensured the pouches were secured with ALICE clips and either gutted 50-50 cord or zip ties to the belt. This ensured the pouches were doublely secure to the belt. Before the days of dump pouches empty mag were placed in your undershirt. A t-shirt was always tucked into you pants under the camo blouse. The t-shirt would hold empty mags next to your chest until you got to an area to reload and replace mags in their pouches. All of this is METT-TC dependent and based on your mission. Make smart decisions!

[@timothygaffney3407]

C'mon man, just throw your empty mags on the ground like all of these "hi-speed you-tube operators" do. Then just sit around and wait for the helos to resupply you.

[@nocturnekinetics]

I mentioned briefly in my video about how I like the slick front due to it helping you get low in the prone, and I really think this speaks to the useage of cover and individual infantry tactics over things like speed reloads and armor. And despite what some people think, all of these principles still apply today. Also thank you for making a much better video than mine hahaha.

[@tommyblackwell3760]

ALICE is what I was issued & used all through the 1990s, and what I carried was set up basically as you have it for the first couple of years as an MP; pistol gear went away when I reclassed as a Cav Scout, then came back when my unit transitioned to the Bradley. I hit the surplus stores and got some M1956 gear that I mixed in with ALICE for my field rig (pistol mag pouch, suspenders, buttpack); the 1956 suspenders were more comfortable, the buttpack had a rubberized inner cover. Once you get used to it, it's no harder to get to your mags etc, the mags are better protected from the elements, and it's much easier to go prone or crawl in than any vest or MOLLE gear. Still use it today (though I swapped my ALICE rucks for a British Bergen ruck, much better design).

[@cs-rj8ru]

the big problem with the 1956 stuff is that it's canvas. If you get soaked that shit takes forever to dry out and it's always ending up a bit heavier.

[@A.Mac.]

Pistol, 2 mags. Rifle, 2 pouches. Human, 2 canteens.

[@joemama.556]

they should have called it the 222 system

[@wood_stone_iron]

Only 2 pouches for mags? Brah, the whole belt can take 6 packs for rifle mags.

[@ronaldrobertson2332]

@@wood_stone_iron Standard Infantry ammo loadout, 210 rounds, three magazines each pouch, plus one in the rifle.

[@timothygaffney3407]

@@wood_stone_iron Why carry a pistol with maybe 50 rds. of ammo when in the same space you can carry an extra mag pouch with 60 rds, if not more in the pistol mag place. Pistols are for officers, REMFers and tankers.

[@ModernFrontiersman]

I have went back to the old school gear. I just havnt found anything i like more. i think its a great guerrilla setup....which i believe average folks should lean toward.

[@covertguy1575]

That Army commercial at the end…😂😂 I used ALICE in the late 80’s and at some point did away with the shoulder straps and just ran a belt. ALICE depending on mission requirements could still be used today.

[@nicholashodges201]

2:50 they use the same clips. The specific differences between Vietnam era & the 80's version is the belt buckle, it's all nylon instead of canvas and some of the pouches were redesigned. They were still issuing some of those pouches in the nineties when I joined. They're effectively the same thing. That's like calling the M16 A2 a different rifle instead of an updated model

[@deancarr4507]

Retention of gear in a jungle environment I think was a predominant concern for the US with the ALICE gear, jungle will steal your gear like nothing else

[@cs-rj8ru]

Alice was used way later than you think. The Guard used it until the 2010's or so in some places. It "might" still be used here and there. It's a great system in summer, maybe one of the best in hot/humid climes. Everything hangs off of you loosely and you're free to sweat your ass off at your leisure. Chest rigs suck for that primary reason.

[@WingMaster562]

Might not be related, but before Marawi Seige of 2017 our PH army are still using ALICE kits and packs especially on the patrol units in the jungles. Not only because of the abundance of surplus and the "if it aint broke, dont fix it" attitude, but because of the reasons you said about sweat, also the local merchandise got good at pumping these out at the cheap yet durable.

[@WingMaster562]

@Scaucy man 2.0 exactly, thats why I said before 2017.

[@untilvalhalla7854]

I’m one of those old guys who was first issued ALICE gear. Worked ok for what it was meant for. Maybe not so much for running drills on a 25 yard range on a shot timer.

[@vermontvermont9292]

I still prefer Alice to this day. Current set up is the LBV-88e with correct buttpack. Aka the iifs system. You should look into that and give it a try. Ive tried the modern stuff, MOLLE, all that. I just keep going back to Alice. Same with my ruck. Medium Alice with frame. It's STILL good gear, and great for the survivalist/militiaman or whatever.

[@terrysaunders2026]

Adding a little about the (M-84?) holster for the M-9 or other handguns; yes, the flap may impede your draw, but the flap is easy to flip over and Store between your body and pistol belt if need be. It’s easy to remove and reinstall as needed, and very easy to change from right hand to left, and vice vercsa. They even had a part for it to easily convert to a shoulder holster. But it was kind of floppy. AND it had a cleaning rod in a special slot. Sorry, probably more than anybody wanted to know about a holster.

[@dragonarmoryairsoft9590]

Very interesting. I’ve always liked the idea of running Alice gear in airsoft but always thought it was a dumb idea. Finally decided to ditch that mind set and wore it in a game. Thanks for the cool video.

[@cobrabeebop]

5:11 As a Bradley driver I carried a M9 in a black leather holster across my chest. I don't remember seeing anyone with a M9 on the LBE belt

[@ps90tacguy]

A.L.I.C.E. gear is still the best set up in my opinion for any situation. The problem is finding good gear at surplus stores. The packs I have found with more ease than the harness, belt and pouches. ROTHCO makes alice gear (thank god) I would never use real alice gear because there becoming a collector item. The British in my opinion have the best LBE system when you exclude the chest rig gear.

[@BoneistJ]

The biggest thing British PLCE is that the system was made to be used with a hip pad. The British have a chest rig too, but it's mostly just a more modern copy of the South African one

[@swalker157]

Smersh > alice

[@MattyB7]

Capitalize God please.

[@shockwave6213]

Its funny to think how many people don't realize that if you're dipping into your belt mounted mag pouches in a FULL Alice kit loadout, the shit has hit the fan big time. They usually used a cloth bandolier for the initial supply of m16 mags.

[@mustanggun]

I was 82d from 88-92, and we were rockin the Alice LBE w/butt pack then. I've moved with he times but I still love the LBE.

[@AlanTiffany-t8e]

You were wondering where to put a pistol holster on the Saffer kit..? Here in South Africa, when we run a pistol in the battle-jacket or the chesty's , (for pistols, our local version of the M92 is called the Z88, or the smaller polymer CP1) you'll run it cross draw in one of the rifle mag pouches.

[@chrissheffield5468]

[@22vampyre]

I rocked the ALICE gear from 1991-1997 USMC. Canvas asspack was a must back in those days. Ran two canteens on the left, one on the right. Hacked off the grenade side pouches on the M16 mag pouches. Only saw officers and staff NCO’s with pistols back then. Back then there was troop movement on foot, not much in vehicles, like today. ALICE gear sucked when you were in vehicles, the modern gear is very vehicle friendly. Sometimes ran dual mag pouches on each side.

[@croe4525]

In case I missed it. All-Purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment (ALICE)

[@alanpujol2319]

You should do a video on the enhanced tactical load bearing vest. You can still find them for like 25-40 bucks. I like the surplus gear vids. Gives us poors other options to consider besides condor or similar budget brands.

[@masonhales]

1:07 yep I'm sold, ordering now update: received my full alice gear starter kit, belt+suspender, 2 mag pouches, 2 canteen+pouches.. I feel like a true boomer and I'm loving it

[@BertWebbDOA]

I replaced the clips with 550 to make it quiet and cut the pads off the shoulders to make rucking more comfortable. Late 90s were soo long ago...

[@benjaminjarrett9816]

Believe it or not, ALICE gear actually works really well with muzzleloading field work. The mag pouches do a great job holding speed loads and paper cartridges. Thanks for posting.

[@soldierofmisfortune6284]

A little sidenote about the Bianchi pistol holster, if you want to cut down on the draw time, they actually make a thumb snap strap that replaces the flap and allows for much faster unholstering

[@kurtbaier6122]

H harness and zip ties more comfortable, and you can green foam the pistol belt, or use a Condor, etc, velcro pistol belt for easy on the fly adjustment. I’ve used a combination of MOLLE and ALICE pouches on a Condor pistol belt without problems. And having an ALiCE ruck sitting on a butt pouch or mag pouch makes for easy transfer of weight to the hips. The harness belt system is cooler in the Summer and easier to doff and don for layering in the winter. Or used under a jacket. I’m a Cod War Sgt. Didn’t use it while in but I definitely have as a civilian. Heard many say that a chest rig causes a lot of aching backs in the sandbox . I found that to be true during my own training. Body armor and chest rigs seem to go together. My personal opinion is that an updated harness system is the way to go for our military and Patriots. A front plate carrier or vest should be separate from it. Rear plate should be able to slip into hydration carrier or assault pack or ruck. As a medic back then but now I use 3 lines of gear. Pistol belt for pistol: right side: holster, small pouch shades ear plugs, general pouch for white/ red light, eye care, gloves etc. Rear limb bleed kit. Left rear: SAW pouch for rain jacket or poncho, AR pouch for radio or 20oz water, kangaroo ouch one 30 round 556 and one Glock mag and last tourniquet pouch by belt buckle.

[@tsoliot5913]

Peak flea market performance. Just found a Y harnes, m1943 e tool cover, a bunch of mag pouches and mosquito netting along with a full US Navy Crackerjack in a free pile. Stoked to build up a rig and larp like I saw my Granddad wearing.

[@rodtennant7603]

SA special forces comprised tier 1 recce units (1, 5 and 4 commando regiments - 4 being water orientated (ocean and rivers, etc). They were focussed mainly on extreme long distance remote reconnaissance. Then there were other specialist units, that worked with the bushman and ex Portuguese Fletcha personnel, such as the 31 and 32 batalion units. These focused also on cross border operations at a shallower level. The 32 guys sometimes used the chest webbing combined with an H harness belt rig supporting radios, more ammo, etc , in pre planned tactical assault operations. This increased their agility and speed.

[@ikeb9367]

This why the whole “war belt” system is around. It’s basically a modern Alice rig if you set it up that way. I was in from 98-05 and it was during the Alice Molle transition. Some of use used the Alice LBV as well. Don’t for get to zip tie your Alice pouches after you set up your rig, Alice clips will fail whenever you have to assault a bunker or trench lol.

[@rttakezo2000]

I would submit that most "Boomer"s fought with M1956 gear not ALICE.

[@kopfjager6995]

When I thought I couldn't love ALICE gear enough, OG Blue Jean's makes a sick ass retro intro

[@deancarr4507]

My primary rifle is a modernized G3 with a Beretta M9 and my kit is mostly alice and old webgear with modern pouches/attachments. I call it Cold War steampunk, or Cold Punk for short

[@patricksalish]

I really appreciate and enjoy your kit videos, Ashton Kutcher... your camera man does a really good job, I find his mouth breathing soothing during zoom ins ...makes it intense as well at the same time

[@sonar357]

If you look at the various "Jungle Rigs" or "Jungle Belt Kits" that are coming out recently (China?) there's a LOT of similarity to the classic LC-1/LC-2 web gear. Also, I think a modern version of the ALICE mag pouches would be greatly appreciated. Current pouches (like the elastic band retention pouches) were really designed to be worn flat against the chest and not along the waistline. Even the double decker pouches were meant to be worn on the chest rig/plate carrier. But, putting those on a belt and they can get cumbersome. Especially if you want to get six mags along the waist, it can take up a lot more real estate than the ALICE pouches.

[@jacoblucas4259]

ALICE gear just hits different. Love the vintage gear.

[@snakeplissken571]

I still use the Alice webbing and large ruck minus the large dopey L shape flashlight and Bianchi pistol holster.Canadian 82 pattern webbing is more durable but Alice gear is more utilitarian.Like the British I still prefer webbing over a plate Carrier try wearing a plate Carrier with all your pouches and Camelback with a ruck especially with a parka.I"ll wear a slick plate Carrier over my T shirt but under my coat then webbing over top.If I could get new alice gear in multicam tropic I'd buy everything tommoro.

[@rodtennant7603]

Nice video. People on the group must realise that "Back in the Day" there were not many options available to infantrymen. There was no "Gucci" gear to purchase as an add on or swop out to issue gear. South African gear evolved to pattern 88. The SA. gear was designed for SA bush warfare TTP and weapns. Also used materials that were available at the time. Also affected by economic sanctions. The infantry gear was also designed for toughness, due to thornbush and issue to thousands of national servicemen ("Troop proof"). Brown because of Africa. Rucks were developed from civilian hiking rucks best practise at the time. Built to carry large amounts of gear and water over long distances. HD frames to allow heavier loads and airflow to the back. Army ponchos heavy duty thorn resistant material. The shoulder straps had loops to carry mortar bombs. The R4 chest rig was designed to be used with the ruck. It had a pull tab system to get the mags out. As I was am officer I modified mine to have a 9mm pistol on the LHS of the chest rig. The rig also had a built in map pouch at the rear of the ammo pouches and compass pouch on the front. The patrol harness was not normally used with the ruck sack. Mine was also modified for using on long patrols so as not to use the ruck. Special forces gear in SA was different to issue gear for the infantry. For instance, cammied, lighter weight,better design, less or no velcro for noise, use of toggles, etc.

[@Kq4hcuDan]

I love a.l.i.c.e gear myself, i mainly used chicom chest rig working ep/psd and when i worked private security i set up my security belt similarly with an y harness

[@rowensmith3940]

love hearing someone ramble when they actually know what they’re talking about

[@krystofdavid1117]

Amazing video again! You are my favorite guntuber lately. If you are considering trying out some other oldschool gear, i recommend british 58 pattern webbing equipment! I use it quite alot, it just has this oldchool vibe i really dig :D Especially some SAS mods, where they got rid of the kindney pouches and rocked multiple "water bottle" pouches instead. Kinda looked like more modern PLCE webbing. And the mag pouches will take AK magazines as well as AR. Take care!

[@newdefsys]

A very good point is made here with the SADF pattern 83 chest rig not working well with AR-15 magazines because the rig was originally set up for a Galil rifle. I switched to a surplus German System-95 (KTS-95) belt with G3 mag pouches for my PTR-91 after trying to use a MOLLE vest with AR-10/SR-25 magazine pouches and the difference was significant. Mixing-&-matching gear has limits. The firearm(s) you choose should dictate the type of fighting gear you get for it.

[@CrowDawg11]

In '08-'10 USMC none of this was issued but if you were smart you went and bought it and used it for your load bearing equipment. That way when you were in a situation where you had to keep your body armor on but didn't necessarily need your mags and whatnot (like standing guard or riding in a vehicle or something), you could take the belt off and not have to be toting all the weight all the time like you would be if you just strapped the issued MOLLE pouches to your body armor. To this day I 100% prefer ALICE gear over MOLLE and it's still what I run, even though I missed the era where it was the issued equipment.

[@NoctumIndistries]

Loved this man, I had no idea about the history of Alice.

[@Tusk_III]

Awesome! Your content keeps getting better and better at a high rate of speed. Keep it up! FYI - I need that upper in my life.

[@BeanMartinVEVO]

You should get your hands on the next evolution of the alice gear, the LBV-88

[@leonardlallemand5459]

i used alice gear and more modern russian smerch for airsoft and i do think that the more time you spend with your gear on, the more you prefer older set up versus modern chest rig and plate carrier, i apply the same logic for handgun holster, i'm a HUGE fan of the biancchi holster because its the best for someone who isn't likely going to use his sidearm but want to have easy access to it

[@Harrydog88able]

I remember using a very basic ALICE rig along time ago in an airsoft game in trenches, I moved around alot faster compared to a PC with AR500 plates in it. In a shtf/zombie situation where I had to egress into the woods: ALICE. Defend the castle scenario: PC

[@leadpipejustice9253]

peak cool aesthetic.

[@Bender_B._Rodriguez]

With the mags in the pouch like that what you want to do is turn them around, makes closing the pouch easier because you aint trying to work against the incurve of the mag.

[@romeosgenericchannel3971]

Wore it in 2008 when I went through basic in fort sill, Isn't that funny! Haha we had IBA s in with Alice over em LOL in 2008!!! Haha thanks for sharing man Much love and respect

[@juanmanuelmarchioli]

M16A1 + A.L.I.C.E... 80s is love... Great video buddy...o7

[@jaymeporrazzo1305]

I have a whole set of ALICE web gear, and I have a full set of M56 minus the belt (gave that to a friend). The system is "modular", in that while you can make it fit any job you want, it's a pain in the rear to adjust.

[@jangofett5806]

Gen Milley still has his in mint condition never worn once. Pretty sure he and Lloyd Austin carried a brief case and a LLBean book bag for the majority of their careers. Only running Milley has done was running to the classroom for that 2nd 3rd degrees he was working on at Princeton, Columbia and the war college. Let me see your war face Milley..

[@GuerrillaGo]

Great video! Really been enjoying your content lately. One small suggestion... I think it would help your videos a lot if you upgrade your microphone. That’s the only thing in my opinion keeping your vid’s from being ultra high-quality. That aside, keep these videos coming!

[@TwinsM16sRU]

Grenade pockets on ALICE pouches are convenient to use for snacks (turnips, onions, potatoes).

[@czgunner]

Basic in Feb 2006 at Fort Sill. That's what we used. LOL, still had the A2 rifle in my unit in Germany.

[@AlexKS1992]

Honestly I prefer the Alice belt over any offerings today just simply it is modular. You can mount Molle and obviously Alice gear.

[@tylerissla7139]

I know his is random, But would you give us your thoughts on the 6sh112/17 load bearing vest? I find that it looks like an interesting idea. Big thanks.

[@SuperVonKiller]

Secure your Alice clips with stainless steel wire or plastic zip ties, then pouches won't fly off when running or crawling. Pad the inside of the belt with a strip of material cut from a puss pad sleeping mat secured with 100 mph tape, that way the Alice clips wont wear a hole in your sides on a long ruck. Also moving the buckle of the pistol belt to the rear (with a H harness) or kidney area (with a Y harness) allows this kit to be run as a poor man's chest rig. Which ever you do, build it with full mags, water bottles or canteens, and pouches, so you can build in balanced load. Heavy items to the sides of your body, soft items to front. The balance will change as you expend ammo and water but it is what it is, shift and maintain as best you can. If you wear the pistol belt above the belly button the gear won't interfere with running or tire your legs out by hitting your thighs when climbing hills... Good idea to dump the butt pack and run an assault pack. Bout all I can think for now, appreciate your vids Bro!

[@treborkroy5280]

Can you expand on the "poor man chest rig" setup and the end of you comment, what is the difference between a butt pack and assault pack?

[@justinbandy2610]

Big fan of the enhanced LBV-88 (gen2)

[@FitnFire]

Inaccurate depiction, no 2 quart canteen equipped. Operator will not live thru the engagement due to dehydration.

[@Nightdiver20]

Dehydration is a soldier's worst enemy

[@raghnallmacaodh3220]

As a product of the late 80's early 90's army... I still have use for the old ALICE gear. Never cared for the later vest monstrosity. I did modify the field pack for use with the old set.

[@squeeze511]

we used to call this 782 gear (from the form issue #) or DEUCE gear (Dirty Equipment Used Carried Everywhere)

[@wood_stone_iron]

I like the ALICE webbing because it allows my chest hair to grow naturally in the sunlight.

[@ExplosiveFetus]

You should look into the best pre-MOLLE belt kit: PLCE.

[@CitadelDefense1]

This is interesting. I’ve ended up coming full circle and I primarily run a webbing molle version of this these days

[@samuelaguilar5349]

Very based

[@alu.304]

The ALICE clips sucked and dug into your back to the point of bleeding/scarring. Later, a belt pad made it's way through the aftermarket, but it was literally a band aid.

[@CircleWilliams]

You can really see it was designed for long marches, fighting from the prone, worn high like a split front chest rig, and why drop leg holsters were invented

[@jetutter3739]

Definite stroll down memory lane! What gloves are you rocking? Oh love the retro mid length upper!

[@mexicantapwater1063]

I love to have the most odd things put together. So now everyone who sees this, picture alice webbing with k98k pouches, but also running a no.4 lee enfield. HAHAHAHAHHAHHAAHAH

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

I was first issued Alice and then Molle. Both have their plusses and minuses. No armor? I think the Alice LBE beats out Molle LBV. Urban and vehicle mounted ops - Molle. Needing to go prone more? Alice.

[@Huy_Nguyen_USA]

Don’t forget: the US Military has a HUGE logistical support train, (which oftentimes get ambushed).

[@ronstryker]

Could you do a video on the MOLLE II FLC? I'm curious to know why the military dropped the FLC and went with a chest rig/rack concept.

[@imacarguy27]

The FLC is trash. It's literally a flimsy ass, backless shirt.

[@Solly1984]

Off topic question…what gloves are you wearing? They look like they have very high dexterity.

[@bigoz7]

Great intro 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@aidanazr]

Still got issued an ALICE webbing for Army ROTC in 2021.

[@spartansfan1026]

Hey, just wanted to ask what size MALICE mounting you used for your pistol mag pouch. I see that esstac has different types of pouches and also mounting systems. Might just be some personal confusion as I've not added much to my belt yet. I'm using some Swedish gear that's similar to ALICE and wanted some options to carry CZ 75 magazines. Thanks for showing off the ongoing capabilities of the ALICE system by the way. It still has potential!

[@travhammer]

ALICE Is and will remain my preferred. It still has so much going even today. I keep a couple of full loadouts. And I'm still using my original kit. (Better than that fukktard Gucci shit) the soft spec ops weigh themselves down with.(the ones always hugging snd crying.)

[@sebjones1566]

What quick pistol pouches do you have on your belt ? The Alice is equivalent to the British PLCE Webbing that came out in the late 80s early 90s.

[@deltathirtyfour]

Y harness is insane comfy. Still run esstac kywi with Alice belt !

[@limasierraone7107]

Try the H harness. Its the bees knees.

[@surfrat8884]

Love that Army commercial at the end. Whatever happened to the black beret?

[@jdam568]

My preferred kit in the jungles of the PNW. Used it extensively in the drug war 1991 to 2005. Its still a viable option.

[@Alex324]

With a modern take, it's Ukraine gear. That's what it was planned for and now it's seeing a massive resurgence because lads are using it over there. British military, or at least some reservists, still train with the British equivilant. Doing urban fighting, you with you had a chest rig. Otherwise though, I kind of like it.

[@Dev7.62]

British PLCE kit is solid. Although It’s not as modular as ALICE

[@DarkMatter946]

I’m working on putting together a load out with an LBV 88

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

This Millennial is a fan of “Boomer Gear”, like this Alice gear. It will out last a lot of this velcro stuff.