Just Wing It! Learning to Wing Foil

[@standupsurfshop]

Holy smokes, this is such a great video. I see you've already got lots of love for it though still feel the urge to share more. Thank you for making such a comprehensive, non-bias, detailed, passion fueled video to share the stoke! Legend.

[@blueplanetsurf]

Thank you, I'm stoked you enjoyed it!

[@michaellambert8606]

Can you guys make a video on getting up in light air? Questions I have about lowering the floor of rideable wind range that would be great to see answered are: how far off the wind should one be? Big boards vs. small/ airplane takeoff vs. pumping? Board pump vs. wing pump, and relative timing thereof? Ollie style pump vs. pressurizing the foil?

[@blueplanetsurf]

That's a good suggestion, thank you. We discuss it in our longer wing foil session videos but we will plan to make one just on pumping up on the foil.

[@michaellambert8606]

Thanks. Yes, it’s helpful to have searchable vids on the thing that someone is struggling with at the moment. Living in Maine it’ll be critical particularly in summer. I just went down to 110l from a 130L, and I think it’s easier to get up which I wouldn’t have guess when I first started. I’ll add to my questions the best angle of the wing. More forward lift or upward lift?

[@bookeaterintube]

Great advice. I'm surpirsed that some wings still dont have transparent window to see what's going on around you.

[@blueplanetsurf]

Yes, some manufacturers try to save weight by doing away with the window. It's pretty easy to lift wing overhead to get a good view, but still, better safe than sorry.

[@justwest]

Oh, I want to try this so bad. But probably there ain't many locations to rent a wing foil, as they are quite expensive and new, right?

[@blueplanetsurf]

Yes you will need to commit and buy your own gear to learn this, even if you found a place that is willing to rent it, it will take several sessions to learn the basics. Like Yoda says: Do or do not. There is no try 😎

[@justwest]

@@blueplanetsurf Could you estimate what I'd to invest for the wing foil combination? Maybe also in used condition.

[@mangogrower5426]

Awesome! I want to get one and practice on my SUP and then get another board. Thank you 😊

[@blueplanetsurf]

That’s a good way to get started but it can be challenging to stay upwind on a SUP. A windsurf board with daggerboard would be better to learn wing handling on.

[@BOB-dh8fw]

Merci pour la vidéo, très très bien 👍 what the name of your favorit place for beginner? Thanks

[@blueplanetsurf]

On Oahu, Kailua is a safe spot for beginners

[@BOB-dh8fw]

@@blueplanetsurf may be for december 😀

[@francis2867]

How about new cabrinha x2 ? nice info... my next target sport ..thanks

[@blueplanetsurf]

I have not tried it but we will post a large wing test video soon

[@BrynKaufman]

Great overview with a lot of good tips! Thanks

[@blueplanetsurf]

🙏🤙🏼, thanks for for joining the live chat!

[@jessespooner2757]

Thanks for all the stoke Robert! I am just getting started winging and have a 5.3 Naish Wing. Looking to purchase a board/foil set up. Interested in the Naish Hover in a 75 or 85 liter with a 1650 Glide set up. What would you recommend I am 165 lbs with 30+ years surfing and sailing.

[@blueplanetsurf]

Hi Jesse, we don't sell Naish boards, so it's best to speak with a dealer who does if you have decided on that setup.

[@eduardozabala7114]

Good video Robert. one of the best and most complete I've seen on the net lately. I started following you a long time ago when you started with the sub foil and it seemed like a good idea for those of us who live in the Mediterranean and have few waves. With these new wings, we have a new tool to fly over the waves and the sea. I am very animated and motivated to start in this new sport in which the waves lose importance and the wind is the main propellant. Thank you very much for your effort in maintaining this channel.

[@blueplanetsurf]

Thank you for your comment, wing foiling is perfect for any place that has water and some wind, waves are optional.🤙🏼

[@stveloop9452]

Great video thanks, I think the leashing can be improved. Still early days though.

[@blueplanetsurf]

you mean the leash between wing and wrist?

[@ianswenson3166]

Tons of great information, thanks! After a year, have you formed a firm opinion on boom vs webbing wings?

[@blueplanetsurf]

Still like the boom best🤙🏼

[@Magnum_Stuntman]

Great video. I do windsurf and wanna give it a try. What is the minimum windspeed in knots with which you can get the foil already up with your weight? 20 knots should be enough maybe 15 already?

[@blueplanetsurf]

We talk about wind speed and wing size in detail in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIGUmJmKbb-Yrqs

[@blueplanetsurf]

With a big foil and wing you can wing foil in under 10 knots

[@mundojuillerat]

This is great! Looking to getting into this our windy Lake Mead. Mahalo Robert!

[@blueplanetsurf]

This should be perfect for you Mundo, it really opens up foiling to anyone.

[@Jeremiah_McDonald]

Hey, love the video. Do you prefer the solid bar handle over the usual straps? if so why? cheers and not sure what I should get

[@blueplanetsurf]

Yes, as a long time windsurfer I like the boom as it’s much easier to grab without looking and slide hand positions. The wings with handles are generally lighter, safer and pack up smaller though. Check our Voiceover videos for more info.

[@eric3969]

I think you will like the Ozone in the surf. It's very well behaved when luffing on a wave, no side to side rocking like the Duotone. The Ozone handles are very floppy though.

[@blueplanetsurf]

Thank you😎 I’m super excited about trying the Ozone soon!

[@martinschulz1524]

Thank you! -Just good information. I will definitely try it. Greetings from Germany (Norderney, North Coast of Germany, little island, great to kite, windsurf etc.,).

[@blueplanetsurf]

Norderney should be great for wing foiling. It’s challenging but you will love it. 😎🤙🏼

[@fedup3449]

It looks really awkward when you gybe. Without the option to switch your feet in the straps you end up facing the wrong way, with your back to the sail, as at 9.03. Would it make sense to have rotating foot straps that pivot on a pin in the board? Would this lead to loss of control? Don't know without trying it but someone should. Oh, I've just realised if your feet pivot through the turn you'd end up sailing the board backwards out of the gybe. Never mind. I'll just go now.

[@blueplanetsurf]

If you use a wide board you can mount two straps in the front like on a windsurfer so you can switch stance. I think rotating straps have been tried in windsurfing but never took off.

[@Leo-iw1fi]

What is the average wind speed on the video ?

[@blueplanetsurf]

The day we shot this was pretty windy for Oahu, about 15-25 knots. We have gone out in under 20 knots and were able to fly with the 4M wings. I need about 15 knots to get it going, once you are up on the foil it does not take much wind to keep it going due to the apparent wind.

[@paulalferez4339]

"Nice Video " Rob & Tyler Does it come with extra bladders to repair leaks? 👍👍🤙

[@blueplanetsurf]

🤙🏼Aloha Paul. The Duotone comes with a repair kit for the bladder.

[@jasonmann1583]

i have a background in kiting, but not windsurf, do u think it would be easy for met to learn?

[@blueplanetsurf]

Having a kiting background will help for sure with learning wing handling, it’s basically a hand held kite. 🤙🏼

[@michaelc5378]

How tiring is it on your arms? In windfoiling at least you have a harness.

[@blueplanetsurf]

The wing feels relatively light in your hands. I felt it more in the legs from pumping the foil. I did not feel like I need a harness, the pressure in the wing is very light compared to windsurfing.

[@michaelc5378]

I keep hearing shops are too afraid of liability to do foil demos or rentals. Is anybody tackling this issue to open that up? Seems kind of ridiculous.

[@lMobiuscidl]

"If you have a background in windsurfing and know how to use a foil..." Me here, who hasn't touch both yet and wants to really try this 😭

[@blueplanetsurf]

Yes, I said it was easy for me to learn it due to my background. If you don’t have any experience with foiling and wind sports, it will take longer to learn but don’t let that stop you, take it one step at a time and you can learn it. I recommend a foil lesson behind a boat first and practicing wing handling on land before you attempt it on the water.

[@FooserX]

@@blueplanetsurf great video! Came to Maui with the intention of SCUBA diving and other water sports...but when I saw people doing this I went into Second Wing the very next day to inquire on what this sport was and how can I take lessons. Can't wait for the beaches to open up so I can start in on this sport!!

[@KaydanAidan]

What size wing should I based on my weight? Is there a general rule of thumb?

[@blueplanetsurf]

Not really, use a big foil wing to learn as you can lift off and ride at lower speeds. As you progress you can switch to a smaller foil wing with less drag and higher speeds. The hand wing size depends more on wind speed than weight.

[@KaydanAidan]

@@blueplanetsurf I don't know which Ozone wing I should get to ride my SUP for now. I am 5 foot 5 inches and weigh about 219. I don't want to get a 6m wing if I am too short for it. I have some background in windsurfing and Kitesurfing so I think I could handle a 5m wing. I don't have a SUP foil board yet but I would like to make use of the windy days and catch waves with a wing and a regular SUP surf board. Should I get a 5m wing or a 6m wing?

[@blueplanetsurf]

@@KaydanAidan I'm 200 lbs and like using the 4M size the most. 5M in lighter wind. So I would recommend the 5M for you if you are only getting one size. There is a good wind speed chart on the Ozone Wasp page.

[@michaelc5378]

When to rent or rent -to-buy foil board?. Is the fear of liability I keep hearing about justified? Many other higher risk sports just have waiver forms.

[@blueplanetsurf]

The potential income from rentals does not justify the additional insurance premium we would have to pay regardless of waivers, thank the US legal system.

[@charsuter]

Thanks for another great video, hope to be able to try this one day

[@blueplanetsurf]

Stoked you like the video and hope you get to try it, foiling is amazing!

[@JafetRamirez1974]

Great video How much wind is there on the day of the video? I just got a slingwing and planned on using it on a SUP on non-windy days. But you all seem to be doing great on the foil with the wind. How windy is it regularty at your spot. Here its 15-20kts. Thank you for the video, it's great!

[@blueplanetsurf]

Thank you. 15-20 is enough wind once you learn how to pump yourself up onto the foil in a gust. A big foil helps.

[@blueplanetsurf]

It was blowing 15-25 on the day we shot the video

[@21Guitars_]

Great explanation! I am wondering, how physical is it? Is it like wakeboarding? Or another way to put it, how long can your sessions be with this? Can you stay out an hour like with a kiteboard or minutes like a wakeboard? Thanks!

[@blueplanetsurf]

Thanks for the comment. It’s quite strenuous at first, especially on the legs but as you get better you learn to find a more relaxed stance while up on the foil (weight centered evenly between front and back legs). Holding the wing is not very hard as the drag from the foil is low so there is not a lot of pressure once flying. I can stay out for 1-2 hours now, no problem. It’s always good to stop before you feel exhausted as that’s when injury is most likely to happen. 🤙🏼

[@21Guitars_]

@@blueplanetsurf thanks!

[@prolifedoc]

Best beginner wing foil video out there!

[@blueplanetsurf]

Stoked you like it! 💪😎🤙🏼

[@myotiswii]

Can't you use it with normal surf boards? Foil boards do cost a lot.

[@blueplanetsurf]

Yes, you sure can. I have not tried it myself but have seen others doing it on SUP and surf boards🤙🏼

[@d4vidgarr44]

Okay now this amazing! What board will you recommend for foil surfing, wind surfing?

[@blueplanetsurf]

When you are starting out, a bigger, stable board with a big foil wing is best for learning both wing foiling and Stand Up Paddle foiling, something like the 7'6 Easy Foiler, depending on your weight. For prone foiling you can use a smaller board and as you get better you can wing foil on smaller boards too, I currently use the 5'2 Carver Foilboard. These are some of the boards we sell: www.blueplanetsurf.com/sups/foil-sups/

[@d4vidgarr44]

@@blueplanetsurf what size of wing would you recommend? The wing you hold ? Appreciate the feedback! Much love!

[@blueplanetsurf]

@@d4vidgarr44 It really depends on how much wind you have. I have a 4M and a 5M, when the wind is too light for my 5M, I go surf foiling without a wing. The Ozone Wasp website has a good wind speed/ wing size chart.

[@mrfunnynames1742]

Where were you doing it

[@blueplanetsurf]

In this video we are doing a Downwinder from Hawaii Kai to Kahala.🤙🏼

[@MartialArtUK]

Great video much needed advice thank you :D ive been winging on a 7ft sup 3m wing no foil yet , its very hard to get enough turn / lean to get up wind and i end up getting blown along way, when im ready to try a foil on it is it going to be easier to go upwind ?

[@blueplanetsurf]

Yes, I’m only able to go upwind when I’m on the foil. That said you should be able to go back and forth at a 90 degree angle to the wind without a foil. Learn to steer the board by moving the wing. You turn upwind by bringing the wing further back. You may have to step back on the board to be able to do this.

[@blueplanetsurf]

I read that an instructor uses a board with mast only (no fuselage attached) to teach beginners. The mast acts as a daggerboard that helps go upwind without the drag of the foil, seems like a good idea! 🤙🏼

[@jurtuijn]

Im 100kg, is it possible, and what do i need?

[@blueplanetsurf]

Yes, get a big, stable board and large foil to learn on. Call our shop if you are interested in ordering, for details: www.blueplanetsurf.com/blogs/news/wing-foil-board-package-deals-at-blue-planet/

[@frigidtsunami]

looks fun, something new. ty for sharing

[@blueplanetsurf]

🙏💪🔥🤙🏼

[@TerryValhalla]

Thanks for posting this! Look forward to trying soon!

[@blueplanetsurf]

:), praying for wind!

[@drs_888]

Great video and so helpful. Just bought my setup from you guys!

[@blueplanetsurf]

Thank you, we appreciate that, customers like you will help us weather the storm, enjoy and be safe, Aloha🤙🏼

[@doncarlo5]

perfect ... just perfect , I'm gonna get myself one ... looks much more forgiving than kiting ...

[@blueplanetsurf]

Yes! Wing foiling is awesome and relatively simple compared to kiting.

[@ezaccog3863]

I was looking for a tutorial on this after you mentioned it. Look forward to seeing it !

[@blueplanetsurf]

Great, it's the first time we are trying a video premiere with live chat, so I hope we get some comments and questions. We are super excited about wing foiling.

[@ezaccog3863]

These tips are so useful. Thanks

[@jlt737]

Awesome instructional video Robert. Thanks for sharing.

[@beanz7786]

Nice video like all the Blue Planet ones. Wipeouts at the end look like they can get a little messy.

[@blueplanetsurf]

Haha, yes, wipeouts are a bit hairy but you only get better by pushing your limits.

[@nice2care]

How does this compare to kite foiling?

[@blueplanetsurf]

I never tried kite foiling but no lines makes the Wing a lot simpler to set up and launch

[@001mladen]

but why is foil and wing equipment so expensive? :(

[@blueplanetsurf]

We currently have 2019 foil boards on sale for just $799, and you get 50% off a Easy Foiler foil if purchased with board (around $600 for full carbon foil) and $50 off a Duotone or Ozone wing, it's a great deal, please call our shop for details.

[@blueplanetsurf]

www.blueplanetsurf.com/blogs/news/wing-foil-board-package-deals-at-blue-planet/

[@mdroush3]

Great video as always, and great meeting you today at the BluePlanetSurf booth @ #surfexpo2020 Orlando

[@blueplanetsurf]

It was great to meet you too Marvin!🤙🏼

[@cbv9k783]

Have anybody tried this kind of wing with snowboard or skies?

[@blueplanetsurf]

Yes, I have not tried it personally but have seen videos of people using the wing on skis, snowboards and of course on ice as shown in this video.

[@bradhouston4734]

Looks like so much fun!

[@blueplanetsurf]

It is! 👍😎🌈🌊🏄‍♀️🌴🌏🤙🏼

[@bradhouston4734]

blueplanetsurf hey, as you know. I love the stoke from you dudes over there, I can’t shop with you now, but what I can do is interview you on my show Tangent Tuesday in my Flicks4good channel. It’s all about showcasing interesting people of all walks. How would you guys like to be my guest in a livestream interview?? 😀🕺🏻🎥🏖🇦🇺

[@boardmeetingusa9405]

Great video tips.

[@blueplanetsurf]

🙏😎🤙🏼

[@michaelross7988]

Great Vid !!! Just bought a 5 meter

[@blueplanetsurf]

Nice, how is it going?

[@JamesMazzanti]

great video! thanks, for posting and putting together for us.

[@blueplanetsurf]

🙏😎🤙🏼

[@coffeeder]

what website to purchase the wings?

[@blueplanetsurf]

We just received the Ozone wings and will have them on our website shortly. We also have 4m and 5m Duotone in stock. You can also call our shop to order: 808 5967755 🤙🏼

[@eric3969]

Wings are in air, Foils are in water. Very simple! ;-)

[@blueplanetsurf]

Haha, yes it seems so simple

[@drumtouch]

Very nice job!

[@blueplanetsurf]

🙏thank you! 🤙🏼

[@REDboardriders]

That's a super useful video. Great stuff.

[@blueplanetsurf]

Stoked to hear that!

[@scottybeegood]

Many thanks for this one

[@blueplanetsurf]

Welcome😎🤙🏼

[@gustavocutillas3238]

you have to try kitefoiling in the waves ,that is the ultimate freedom of movement

[@blueplanetsurf]

The nice thing about the wing is that you can completely de-power it on the wave

[@gustavocutillas3238]

Same with te kite plus no boom just pure freedom i tried the wing and does not came close to a kite

[@blueplanetsurf]

@@gustavocutillas3238 are you foil surfing with a kite or using a surfboard?

[@gustavocutillas3238]

@@blueplanetsurf i use my regular 4 feet surffoil board strapless or a 80 cm board made of paulownia wood with a 4 meter kite in 13 knots of wind .it is a little challenging to learn but once you ar doing it it feels effortless because the kite pulls your weight up and the depower and control is in your hand .awsome videos keep it up

[@chrisanderson6942]

@@gustavocutillas3238 no the kite does not fully depower--or it will fall from the sky --as he states the great thing about the wing is FULLY depower --soo fun and easy i love it

[@andylitespeed]

Good video, thanks!

[@blueplanetsurf]

💪🤙🏼

[@whatsupberlinstanduppaddli4321]

Great video!

[@blueplanetsurf]

What’SUP Berlin!

[@whatsupberlinstanduppaddli4321]

@@blueplanetsurf Will you attend the Paddle Expo in Germany this year?!?

[@mbkiteboarding]

nice waves

[@blueplanetsurf]

🌊💪👍

[@Ocanadakiter]

Cool video thanks...

[@blueplanetsurf]

No problem 👍

[@nikhilshikarkhane972]

Great video

[@blueplanetsurf]

Stoked you like it! 🙏🤙🏼

[@19Marc79]

5:15 => What ??? The woman or the wing ? ;_)

[@blueplanetsurf]

😂🤙🏼

[@senatorjosephmccarthy2720]

Great looking wings. So it will be about a week and somebody will jump out of a helicopter with one.

[@blueplanetsurf]

Haha, I can see Kai Lenny dropping out of a helicopter straight into a bomb at Jaws😜

[@steveward5262]

Your a legend matethank you for the informative video!!! Im gonna try it!!!! much love from Australia!!!!

[@blueplanetsurf]

Thanks mate, just wing it!

[@Luker410]

Very Cool!

[@blueplanetsurf]

Thanks Luke!

[@1JOHNHEARN]

Mahalo!

[@blueplanetsurf]

👍💯💪😎🤙🏼

[@kiteshopschweiz]

nice vid

[@blueplanetsurf]

🙏😎🤙🏼

[@grantchang81976]

on foil

[@blueplanetsurf]

That’s the best place to be! 🤙🏼

[@pariexon1107]

The wind it blows for free 😉

[@blueplanetsurf]

Yes, no motor needed! 🤙🏼

[@yvanpedron5255]

Woa... oui !!

[@blueplanetsurf]

Merci!🤙🏼

[@Polarlicht2010]

👍👍

[@blueplanetsurf]

😎🤙🏼

[@teknikkemal07]

😲😲😀😀👍

[@lust4life682]

pump it shit

[@blueplanetsurf]

❓❓

[@galactock]

I can't see any allure beyond kite surfing, where one can do much more. Good luck leashing yourself to a Foil .. X-l

[@blueplanetsurf]

One of the advantages of the hand wing is that you can completely depower it and luff it behind you on a wave and turn upwind or downwind with minimal pull from the wing, unlike a kite that always needs some tension on the lines. Kite surfing is awesome but I would not dismiss wing foil surfing until you try it, it's pretty addictive.