Bluff Catching in poker (vs a Strong Player)

Bluff catching in poker on the river versus a strong capable player. When exactly should we do it?
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Edited by - Anita Lai

[@parkertalley239]

The look of disappointment in his eyes when he realizes the villain never showed his cards reminds me of how my parents used to look at me when they first realized that I gamble.

[@CommonwealthDank]

Definitely check raising the flop with AJo in that spot, pile the money in. Hopefully villain has AK or something

[@razcue1]

Sometimes you just have to pay up. Getting 3 to 1 you only need to be right 25% of the time...Never folding here!

[@lastgenerationofman]

Player dependent bud. You only beat a K♣️ bluff

[@razcue1]

@@lastgenerationofman Of course, I'm talking this hand/opponent!

[@sesloajit5185]

@@lastgenerationofman you beat T9dd.

[@michaelangst6078]

Dude says he is a pro, but didn't know he had to raise the flop which is 100% obvious to anybody even halfway decent... More like he is a donk pretending to be a pro.. Am I right???

[@chenxilin6380]

Hero describes himself as the other 'pro' on the table. Comparatively I'll give him the benefit of the doubt but man his logic doesnt sound very good, or could just be very uncomfortable moving higher from live 2-5. Pre: Folding on the double with AJo just no... even vs UTG pro imo being 100bb deep. Flop: Like bart says, mandatory x-raise. So many potential bluff combos in there as well, broadway gutshots, clubs, with top 2 like bart says you need to think of getting the money in. Looking down on a 100$ bet gotta raise to 350, with the plan of betting 1/3 into jam depending on runout ofcourse. Turn: As played, fine River: TERRIBLE sizing. Hero is repping strength that is beyond his hand strength. He will only fold out worse get called by better , which i think by his sizing Villian is only calling AJ 2pair plus. AK might hero call on half pot sized bet but 66% is overrepping hand. The worst part is, vs a good player who is holding the right blockers and the right sicko poker attitude, he might just do this and put hero in this disgusting spot where hero really shouldn't have been in. Heros logic on why Villian didnt bet his club draw in position on the turn is not necessarily good logic. I think if V had broadway clubs it would be a mix decision and not straight up betting just because of the dangers of getting x-r on and get blown off good equity. Important to note that both KQcc and KJcc has sufficient equity to do both. Also given hero's calling range on flop includes gutters, the Q on the turn completed KT which is another reason to slow down if V is holding AK or clubs.

[@PL-od8fc]

doesn't take much to be a pro in Florida.... this just seems like you're trying to flex with your analysis after the fact. I guarantee you've bet 66% pot on the river in a nearly identical pot at some point in your life. you're just ripping on him for comment clout

[@bangerrr569]

dave smith I agree, like his comment about him potentially not being a pro is just douchey and unnecessary

[@lewismilesbarber1]

He's clearly not a pro: "I was lost on every street". It's a pretty simple hand to play until he donks the river into an uncapped, protected check-back range, lol

[@alistairwillock7266]

@@lewismilesbarber1 Meh. I think you're overstating things. If he's a 2-5 pro, I can absolutely see him feeling a little at sea in that particular spot in a 2-5-10-20 game. Sure it ended up being a 125 BB starting stack, but against a capable and aggressive player, with that specific pre-flop action, and then his taking the check-call line on the flop, I can see how a for-profit player could still end up leveling himself into that clearly sub-optimal pair of river decisions. The hand ends up being sooo much easier to play if he just XRs the flop. I'm sure we can almost all agree on that.

[@jcw8955]

It’s Villain not Villian

[@WillPage]

Pretty sure I call here. How often do you have to be winning? Anyway, thanks for sharing ... I am so unsatisfied.

[@grandpatzer]

Great hand review. That's a really tought runout for such a good flop. Great to hear how Bart thinks through the hand.

[@liutasllc6338]

Probably no reason to lead out river. Likely folds out all weak holdings that might bluff and opens door for a reraise. Which is hard to call and villain can bluff using blockers. If you gonna bet when hand becomes vulnerable why not bet when its strong?

[@Starshine2007]

Brilliant analysis again.

[@modestomouso1234]

“Hey... so, were you turning the K clubs into a bluff by chance?” “Well, sometimes I do that.” 🤣🤣💀 savage

[@whataloadofbollox]

that $225 is a terrible bet on the river especially when the other guy had checked back the turn, check/call is the move and I don't know why Bart didn't tell him straight !

[@itskmillz]

Every street was played pretty badly and I think the guy deviated too much from sound strategy because of the guy being the other "good pro" as he said.

[@whataloadofbollox]

@@Livmewillem1 oh really, and how much did he win ?!

[@tylermokarry9731]

no consideration for a 3b pre with AJ? if LJ is effective UTG then maybe its not the best 3b but it's worth considering a 3b depending on V's perceived opening range

[@DejaquezernDenaster]

I don’t think you’re getting action from hands like KJo, ATo, etc while always getting action from AQ+

[@lw4164]

There are a lot of dynamics at here. Hero is super wide but I do think pros will check back KcXc at a decent frequency whether the gutter came in or the pair on turn. keep heros weaker range in there and maybe not try to bluff someone off a perceived top pair after the call in the flop. Also considering the player and positional dynamic. I think he had a big hand but it is possible with heros capped range he villian tried to exploit hero over folding in that spot

[@eddiegunn9395]

making moves with shit like that! Thats why I just subscribed. Barts the man. One of the least recognized - however always brings the goods.

[@greatwhite3676]

I'm snapping a lot of people off here. If the guy thinks he's a pro he may try some sweet move with the KKc. Check raise flop. I would not be in this spot.

[@TheTree1]

You have to have some value hands that fold on the river. in my opinion this hand is a perfect candidate to fold. It doesn’t block the flush And is probably the very weakest hand you value bet on the river. if you’re calling with this hand it means you’re calling with all non bluffs and that means you’re calling way way way to much.

[@greatwhite3676]

@@TheTree1 I'm not saying its 100% call. If it is a 70 year old guy with a walker I'm folding. If it is some kid with headphones and shades then I'm calling. If it is really "another pro" as the caller said the villain should have a lot of bluffs there and you are getting a price. Very few things are absolutes.

[@TheTree1]

Toni Paradise one absolute is you need some value bet folds on this river regardless of your opponent. this hand is at the very top of the list you block no value and you’re at the very bottom of your value range. if you were planning on bet calling this hand it means you have no folds and you are incredibly unbalanced and easy to play against. for me to call with this hand i would have to be playing in a purposely unbalanced exploitative way vs a manic, ei a villain specific plan and i would also have no bluffs to go with my no folds.

[@greatwhite3676]

acehole that’s what I am saying in less words. A lot of players play badly. Against most rec players it is a fold. However against SOME player types it is an exploitative call. However I am check raising flop and betting the turn so it’s hard to put myself in said spot

[@TheTree1]

Toni Paradise are you check folding river then?

[@Mathemagical55]

Interesting hand and I think KKc is extremely likely holding for villain.

[@TheTree1]

it honestly doesn’t seem that interesting. as played with table dynamics mentioned we have the easiest river check call ever. he is a pro he should be betting thin and you can get him to value own himself a lot plus pick off bluffs. as a bonus you can’t be bluffed. i didn’t even listen to the whole hand yet came to comment as soon as hero bet river.

[@mattspreng4031]

[Slow clap]

[@qsdailydose8970]

I learn so much from these need more content.

[@RunItTw1ce4858]

BB will have quite a few flushes, being BB defends pretty wide preflop with suited cards. Calling $55 to win $160, so bb range should be pretty wide. With that said villain can't raise river lightly given how many flushes are in your range compared to his. Well played imo. I do think villain can call with AxKc or AxTc as hero should be bluffing with some Jc or 6x on the river.

[@speakinfaxonly21]

A lot of contradictions here. He says he thinks opponent recognizes AK with K of club isn't good enough to call because he wouldn't be betting 2/3 pot with 1 pair but when Bart asked him what he would do With A10 here, he said he would still bet. Doesn't make sense.

[@jonathangoldsmith7832]

How often do you just assume someone’s losing their mind with pockets 66 or something?

[@MrDanDant]

Well, tough call this one. 600 to win 2000ish. You should make it if you think villain will ever turn Kd or Qd into a bluff. That was the purpose of the villains: "Occasionally, I do." comment. He probably had it this time (when they make such comments, they usually have had it). I, myself, would probably end up folding as well. But it's close. He never raises a set, and, probably, he might raise a broadway if it is, like KcTx (hoping to fold out at least some baby flushes and to get heroed by something hero has), but thats all. He never raises a baby flush (up to, like 9-high), he never raises AxQx. So he kind of represents KcTx (as said above), KcTc, KcQc, KcJc, QcJc , QcTc , Qc9c, JcTc, Jc9c and Tc9c. Most of those hands (KcTx, KcTc, KcQc,QcJc even QcTc) will not often be a check back on turn. On the other hand, he does not have a ton of viable bluffs as well: AxKc is hero blocking to an extent, KcJx as well, there is obviously KcK, maybe KxQc or KcQx,, maybe TcT or ATc (as Tc blocks a ton of hero's flushes). I hero would give 100 % him all of those bluffs, it's probably call, but I would be afraid some of those are just a call (as they are also bluff-catchers). With AsJc this is call, with AsJd, well, probably good-ish fold...

[@FefeLeVrai]

Agree, but then hero can just check river and have all these bluffs (which are all pairs) check back. IMO the river bet was a big mistake, he had 2 streets to get value and missed both of them, he really ran out of value on the river.

[@MrDanDant]

@@FefeLeVrai The way it was played, everybody ran out of value, so to say. You kind of don't want the AxTcs, KcQxs, etc. of the world to check you back. So, the 2/3 value bet is imo justified. If you check, not too much hands your're beating are in fact betting (QcJx maybe, A6, A7 maybe, AKc maybe...), except of pure bluffs. When he makes it 300 to 350, you've got in fact a tougher call than this one (you have to be there more of a time and this might not be a case). As the oponent checked (given he's a pro) back the turn, he had to have some sort of showdown equity. I am 100 % with you, that turn should be a bet. Given that bet hasn't occur, the bet on the river is sort of mandatory.

[@Chino-bk9fd]

Fold pre

[@frynfps93]

this is some highlevel poker

[@CanadianLoveKnot]

Snap call

[@t1234-q5z]

King 10 is also the nuts

[@ZeraLord]

True, but with the exception of K10c, do we really think he is checking back the turn with front door clubs, and a player who called him on the flop?

[@johnnyordille6256]

When you check the flop and play like you’re week, expect a ride through the whole amusement park; you needed to make the call. Your mistake was not leading out on the flop IMHO.

[@DejaquezernDenaster]

Why would you lead an A high flop bb v UTG? If you meant raise flop I get it

[@tobiaskarl4939]

villain can have a 12 outs combo draw with KcQc ... be careful ... I would fold this 2 pairs ... a pro can fold seemingly good cards

[@pot_kivach160]

I'd give $100 just to learn how H got 490 BB stack!

[@1981lemberg]

That's why you check call on the river you pot control

[@corley-ai]

Played wrong on every street!

[@philiplopiano3759]

They shoudnt have hands that dont call the river, annoying.

[@BallenX101]

Results dont matter, only the decisions

[@mattspreng4031]

I want to play poker with you.

[@MXDRE907]

If he’s bet folding the river with that hand, I think I’d rather check/call there

[@alistairwillock7266]

Honestly, if you describe the player as both capable _and_ aggressive, I actually like a bet-call line, just with a smaller-sized lead on the river - depending on how the opponent's raise size varied as well. I think opponent's value there consists of KQcc, KJcc and _maaaayyybe_ QTcc as played. You can definitely find enough bluffs from a capable/aggressive opponent to call there, getting those odds.

[@chriszablocki2460]

We're talking about poker, right?

[@pot_kivach160]

Chris Zablocki / lol

[@chriszablocki2460]

@jc jones that's good. I thought maybe my media feed was trying to use this video as a metaphor for my real life circumstances that I never invited it to be aware of. So I asked that very honest question. Because it's just plain better to get clarifications on misinterpreted situations. I'm glad this video is about golf.

[@cerealmilk6877]

"its a good game as in u mean theres a lot of bad players, right?" wait what lol

[@3amBetting]

Good can mean a game with lots of bad players. Good for making money.

[@georgewbushcenterforintell147]

Played live for the second time since March . waited 4 hours with 84 people on the board.played 1 -2 at jumal casino for an hour floped a pair and a king high flush draw doubled my stack and cashed out .

[@derekhatfield745]

Sounds like a bitch ass hit and run.

[@greatwhite3676]

Sounds like you dont have enough money to be gambling

[@georgewbushcenterforintell147]

@@derekhatfield745 indeed I had just bought weed and had enough profit for a hotel room some Carl's Jr id rather get high all night than sit stuck at the poker table .

[@georgewbushcenterforintell147]

@@greatwhite3676 of course I don't have 100 buys ins like the book says .

[@georgewbushcenterforintell147]

@M S I learn a lot from. Dr Hanson's videos .id rather book a small win than slide into the abyss of stuckness .

[@ILLuSioNKiLLeR1985]

The guy at the beginning of the video looks like a fake Doug polk

[@michaelb4090]

First view! Just by chance hehe

[@jacobmiddlebrooks7304]

so people really watch these videos? i know i clicked on it, but its 17 min about someone who folded a hand and we have no clue what the other player had, just a waste of time