BMW 530e xDrive Touring: 100 km fuel consumption (economy) trip: 2.9 l/100 km, 81 mpg US | 97 mpg UK

[@JaseUKHunting]

Very comprehensive test and very realistic too, thank you for taking the time to put this together its a great help for someone on the fence on buying a plug in hybrid!

[@bradulovic82]

Excellent result.

[@najakacholeretennick]

Bardzo dobrze zrobiony test ale ten kanał już nas do tego przyzwyczaił 👏 Sam jeżdżę hybryda tyle, że 3ką G20. Zauważyłem po swojej jeździe, że tryb HYBRID ECO PRO działa dużo fajniej jak jest ustawiony cel w nawigacji. Wtedy jest aktywowany inteligenty tryb hybrydowy z przewidywaniem. Auto wie ile zostało Ci do celu, wie gdzie są korki, gdzie droga idzie „z góry” lub „pod górę” i możliwie najoptymalniej rozkłada pozostały w baterii „zasięg” elektryczny. Pare km przed celem wyświetla komunikat, o zbliżaniu się do celu i przełączeniu automatycznym na jazdę na prądzie.

[@1001cars]

Dziękuję! :) Zgadza się, nawigacja dużo pomaga w takiej sytuacji i rzeczywiście i działa bardzo przewidująco używając napędu spalinowego wtedy gdy jest to zasadne.

[@LUK00T]

Czyli najpierw rozładowuje się bateria a później dial tryb hybrydowy czy sam silnik spalinowy? Jak wygląda to na dystansie 200km bo taki pokonuje dziennie? dzięki i pozdrawiam

[@hankmoody7521]

Thank you very much for uploading your consumption test! 20,3kWh/100km in pure EV mode (probably around 23kWh/100km considering charging losses) is a good result for this kind of vehicle. Did you use active climate in the beginning? About 6L/100km in city driving in hybrid mode with 22km additional driven "electric" km. It's a small electric motor but recuperation power seems to be strong enough.

[@wladosu]

so if you ran it purely electric and your battery was 0% after 50km, how can you drive it in hybrid mode if you don't have battery left? I don't understand this? what is fuel consumption if i have full battery and drive it like hybrid all the time and my tank is full?

[@1001cars]

You have net and gross battery capacity. You use only net capacity for electric only driving. Fuel consumption with empty battery you can see on other my videos about this car. Do you need sth. else?

[@Mrmadman909]

Ciekawa byłaby wersja Plug w wersji z dieslem, tak jak jest w Mercedesie 😉

[@markevans9640]

Can you please make a video , driving while charging the car ? What consumption will you have until batery is fully charged while driving combustion e gine

[@1001cars]

The final fuel consumption depends on the speed and driving style. Also: usually you should not do that. In perfect conditions the charging time is no longer than 40-50 minutes.

[@vladmihai306]

please make a test with empty battery

[@1001cars]

But I linked such test in the of this video and in the description...

[@ryonaxstyle1381]

I want to buy this week 2.0 530 petrol M Sport (248bhp) but i cant figure out how much fuel will consume like with 50l how many miles will does with out excessive accelerations any idea? 50liter petrol how many miles ? ( with or without hybrid)

[@1001cars]

Are you asking about 530i or 530e?

[@loinhart93]

@@1001cars sorry its 2019 BMW 5 Series 2.0 530e M Sport (248bhp) Auto

[@1001cars]

@@loinhart93 So, the answer you can find in the linked video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYOxmYZprdNsY6c

[@loinhart93]

@@1001cars thanks alot 👍👍👉🏻

[@BrunoAlves-kb1rv]

​@@loinhart93 700km is the best i can get with full tank and full battery in hybrid and eco mode.

[@denisvlad262]

So… 2.9L for 26km -> about 11L/100km

[@1001cars]

NOT. Hybrid mode was active on 48 km distance.

[@emanuelmarcos]

2.9l for 100km (around 1L per 30km)

[@jmcaldas]

@@1001cars well, this car with no juice, makes 6L/100kms

[@pqvid]

Thank you for your thorough tests! 👍I believe the consumption representation BMW uses is highly misleading... (not your fault of course!) If you look at the electric consumption from your iX3 test, which used just 14.5kWh/100km in the city driving around the same speeds, than 20+kWh/100km of the 530e is extremely high, 50% higher! Which is understandable, as in the 530e you have the complete drivetrain of an ICE vehicle: gearbox, long shafts from the motor in front to the rear wheels, etc. And the way how the electric average decreases with the ICE engine now running, plus the fuel consumption starts at 0.1l/100km... is just confusing and misleading. If you would say, 20kWh/100km in the electric part, 6l/100km in the gas fuel part - well, then the numbers are more or less average, nothing really outstanding?.. For the extreme high complexity of the PHEV, the advantages are only really sensible in a very short set of use case: home or work charging, short distance travel only. Even then - if you travel long distance more often, your advantage will disappear. If you seldom travel long distance, you would probably be better off just renting an ICE car for those few (if you don't want to bother with charging on the way, which becomes more and more easily available). I'm not really getting the point of a PHEV car besides of the said very few use cases. And probably the consumption representation has a lot to deal with that, misleading the drivers to believe the low numbers. Especially cool are the statements of many PHEV drivers I heard that they can "charge the EV battery from the ICE engine with basically no higher consumption, and then drive around electrically around your destination". Look like perpetuum mobile v2.0 to me. _Of course_ there will be a higher consumption, and driving from _fuel-to-the wheels_ straight just _has to_ be more efficient than driving _fuel-to-the battery-than-battery-to-the wheels_ . If not, it would contradict basic physics! But if you can use a PHEV for mostly short range driving in the radius of the EV battery, then please do. Just don't believe it's a "wunderwaffe" and can beat the efficiency of a dedicated EV (or a dedicated modern ICE while running on fuel). Sorry, again - no complain about your tests, here you actually show exactly the facts. The only possible issue is that you deliberately took 100km for your test, which benefitted the PHEV system. If you had chosen 80km, the numbers would be even better, right? But if you'd go for 300 or 400km of constant driving, then they would be significantly worse, because 52km electric is 50% of 100km, but only 12% of 400km...

[@1001cars]

Thank your for your comment :) In my opinion we cannot think about BMW figures as a misleading, because these results in reality does not come from BMW, those are WLTP results (homologation test). Similar to every other car/manufacturer. When you look at WLTP procedure you will see that on this kind of distance regular PHEV car can make it all electric mode, it is ~23,25 km. To be honest, the fuel consumption should be even lower taking into consideration such distance (I am talking about 1.something l/100 km). About energy consumption PHEV vs. EV: it is quite normal that PHEV needs more. Of course we should not compare xDrive model to RWD model, but still cars like BMW i4 or BMW iX wich 4x4 consume less than BMW 5 PHEV. The reason is obvious: electric engine in PHEV (like BMW 5) sends the power through the gearbox etc. Also: electric engines in PHEV's are not so efficient compares to motors in EV's. The reason: these motors usually are installed inside the gearbox, so they need to be small etc. PHEV purpose: in reality such cars are well prepared for the biggest part of user scenarios. Most people who use cars to drive between home and office, they live 15-30 km's from their office. They make small distances everyday usually, but they want to have the car which is capable to drive much longer distances also. Of course, at the same time they could have two cars (regular ICE and EV), but not everyone can/want do that and having one PHEV for the same amount of money as two cars (ICE + EV) means you can have premium and quite luxury car. It is important for this kind of people. If you used to drive cars like BMW 5, you will not be satisfied with EVs like Renault Zoe or Nissan Leaf. PHEV fuel consumption: yes, charging the battery from the ICE consumes extra fuel, this is obvious, but sometimes it is worth to do that. For example: you will consume less fuel (including highway + city) when you charge the battery during highway driving to achieve enough electricity to drive in EV mode in a city on your route instead of hit this city with empty batteries and driving in hybrid. Especially when the driver does not know how to drive hybrid car in efficient way. Yes, the fuel consumption of PHEV car (with charged batteries at start) strongly depends on the distance. Look into the description under this movie: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYOxmYZprdNsY6c 75 km distance: 2.1 l/100 km 100 km distance: 3.3 l/100 km 125 km distance: 4.0 l/100 km 150 km distance: 4.5 l/100 km 200 km distance: 5.1 l/100 km This is why we should talk about fuel & energy consumption at the same time, when we talk about PHEV efficiency.

[@pqvid]

@@1001cars Agree with you on the PHEV purpose: short daily drives, charging at home, seldom long trips. But then you could consider just renting out an ICE car for your seldom long trips? And if you drive such longer trips more often, this would reduce the significance of your electric driving in the overall sum. So then you're maybe better off with a classic ICE car? Without the PHEV technology it's not regenerating while braking, but it's also lighter and simpler to maintain. Plus, the battery in an EV has very good life predictions: let's say, 74kWh battery in an iX3. With the consumption of ~18kWh/100km, it's good for average 411km on a full 100% to 0% cycle. If we say, the battery life is 1500 full cycles before it drops to 80% of the original capacity, that means 616667km (617K km) until then. How they achieve such long life expectation? The battery is very well conditioned - means cooling and heating as necessary. Another point is that the Li-Ion battery doesn't like extremes. You should better keep it between 20-80% most of the time, only allowing some few and short exceptions. So you can charge it to 100%, but only when necessary and only shortly before you drive off. The battery management system allows for that, it has the limiter for daily charge, and you can set your leave time, to charge just before leaving. On the other side, the PHEV battery is way smaller. You will probably want to charge it to 100% daily, and run it more often into 0%. The whole capacity is 10.7kWh, so the 1500 cycles is reached at 80250km (80K km), using your 20kWh/100km figures from the test (notice I used the more realistic 18kWh/100km for the iX3, instead of the 14.5kWh/100km from your test, so the real difference is even higher). So what we see here is that a PHEV is much likely to become unusable in a relatively short time than a BEV. Even after degrading to 80%, a BEV like iX3 will still be able to run 411*0.80 = 328.8km. In the figures from your test (14.5kWh/100km consumption), it's 510*0.80 = 408. Not too bad, right? If a PHEV degrades to 80%, then the 52km from your test will get down to 41.6. And this was best case, in cold weather, rain and wind it will decrease even more. So the 20% drop is much more hurting than in a large battery. Typically, I would consider a BMW car with less than 100K km on it "as good as new", and easily drive it to 200K km and well beyond. It just hurts me to think that a PHEV with 80K km, if used properly, could already have suffered a 20% loss of capacity. Sure, the PHEV battery is cheaper to replace - but still a huge bulk of money. I highly doubt that anybody would replace the battery on a used PHEV. That's why I don't think there's much use for PHEVs at all. If a BEV is not working for you (yet), it's better (in my opinion) to invest your efforts into making clear to politicians and businesses, that EV charging infrastructure is important and can earn money. Until then, you keep driving your ICE vehicle. Just my opinion.

[@TheCameltotem]

Lmao. What ICE runs lower than 2.9l? None. Sure an EV could be cheaper to run. But for someone who has small trips mostly, this phev would cover 90% of my trips.

[@ecrush5080]

@@TheCameltotem So we just forget/erase the electricity bill (for charging the batt at home) ?

[@unreal6959]

I am sorry that you do not have PHEV and do not understand how it works, i have 530e for 3years + now and my monthly cost went from 500 euro/ month for a 335i which is same power more or less to a mearly 50 euro per month, i really dont care about stupid numbers and stuff like that, i can see with my wallet that i went from 500 euro as a car like 335i which was 11L/100km avarage to less than 3L/100km average and my cost is 10 times less. that is all the facts i need to be proven that the PHEV works ! and no matter which idiot try to tell me im wrong just F OFF i know for a FACT cuz i feel and see though my cost for travel !!! also why would you need internal combustion car while this is that with 6L/100km on average with 0 battery?