BMW E60 M5 Rod Bearing Issues?

Is the BMW E60 Rod Bearing failure overhyped?
Should you replace them preventatively and at what mileage?
Is there any value in getting an oil analysis done?
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[@vpawlowski]

Great advice. Typically, I change cars like most guys change underwear. I bought a 2006 E60 M5 in 2022 for $17,000. It had 6 prior owners and 78,000 miles. Even though it ran well and sounded ok, in an abundance of caution, I had the rod bearings replaced and the vanos pump and high pressure line changed out. I change the oil every 3,000 miles (with 10w 60 - which may or may not be a mistake). The car has purred like a kitten and growled like a lion (in M mode) and been an absolute joy to own. There have been a few modules that have gone out and other minor issues. The decision was fiscally irresponsible and stupid (I have about $50,000 into a car worth about $25,000). However, I'd do it over again and again. I absolutely LOVE that car.

[@MTechGuy]

Thanks for sharing, good greeting the rod bearings sorted with the uncertainty there of 6 previous owners. They are a phenomenal car, I’ve owned mine for 5 years and like it more and more the longer I own it. That’s a reasonable maintenance investment you have there (modules aren’t cheap!) but there’s much worse things to spend your money on!

[@cubano678]

Best and reasonable review of rod bearing discussion I have heard. Love my my 2008 M5 beast.

[@MTechGuy]

Thanks man. Yes, they are fantastic cars aye!

[@OriginalRangsta12]

As a fellow S85 owner, I love your continued content.

[@MTechGuy]

Thanks man, I’m glad you’re here

[@bigfish5443]

Great videos. Many of them have helped me with issues on my e60m5. 105k miles. Testing oil annually at the moment. Results were great. I am budgeting and planning to replace the bearings next year for piece of mind and so when someone asks I can say they were changed. Lol. Keep up the great content.

[@MTechGuy]

Thanks man, glad you’ve found the videos of value. That’s not a bad plan for 100% certainty

[@joeraper8908]

Just want you to know I appreciate your videos. I've got a 2006 E60 M5 and it's got 132k miles. Rod bearings have not been replaced. No issues. I do intend on replacing them soon.

[@muhammedcelik302]

My dream car gotta learn about them early 🥰👋 thanks for these valuable infos

[@MTechGuy]

Glad you’ve found some value in the videos, thanks for watching

[@JohnnyPottsIII]

Thanks man! Another great vid. I have always felt this way about the rod bearing issue. Nothing was ever clear as to when and how they go bad in my experience. I think vanos is next for my 2006 ILB M5.

[@MTechGuy]

Cheers Johnny, yes it’s not easy to make sense of what’s real and not

[@Johnny4787]

I have a California E60 M5. My rod bearings failed after putting about 25k miles on it. I bought the car used with 50K miles on it. I don't know what the previous owner did to it but I made the mistake of following the factory oil service recommendations. I had no clue about the rod bearing issues before I bought the vehicle. I was able to find someone (TroyJeup.com) who rebuilds these engines without spending 25k on the engine . Thx Troy!

[@MTechGuy]

The factory service intervals certainly have contributed to unnecessary wear on many M5 V10’s I reckon. Stick to 5,000 mile oil change intervals with the rebuilt engine 👍

[@jamest5149]

Mine was built proof, sold at 90k, still going strong 8 yrs later and now just about to hit 200k miles with new owner... Serviced well and let the oil warm before high revs. Had one set of throttle bodies and two clutch’s, one smg pump. Used hard, used on track, regularly saw 180+mph. Went to vmax many times.

[@MTechGuy]

That’s good to hear. Did it get to 200k miles on the original rod bearings?

[@jamest5149]

@@MTechGuy yep, original rod bearings still running nicely. Only other thing it had was a new vanos high pressure line as a recall early in its life. It was a UK delivered 2005 car now in Oz.

[@caelanbibby6545]

Great Video as usual!

[@MTechGuy]

Cheers Caelan

[@andy-bi2js]

This is a great video and the only reason it popped up is because I searched for actual cases of rod bearing failure via Google and could not find one single case! This was mainly done as I smelt a rat with the bearing theory a long time back. The simple answer to do these or other M engines have common failure and the answer is no! Of corse there is always the odd exception but cars with no or poor maintenance records answer the question for you in this case.. Maintained at regular intervals there a tons of these still soldering round with in excess of 100k.. As per usual it’s internet hype which has panicked people and made techs thousands of pounds. Coincidence? I think not.

[@MTechGuy]

Cheers Andy, spot on!

[@jespermartensson7515]

Hi again👍Its almost all about historic maintain of the car and how the owner used it. Its a car that has the owner specter from the worst to the best and the engine makes the drivers want high revs to hear sound and feel preformance. Bad maintain and use with high revs on cold w60 oil = failure... But if you change them even if the car is used gentle, you are still gone sleep better👍😅 Thanks for the video👍

[@MTechGuy]

Thanks for watching, you are spot on!

[@chrisdavis5861]

Thanks for the survey I was just wondering out of how many of the 5% of these great cars were not maintained or treated properly.

[@MTechGuy]

No worries, my thoughts too

[@groupb5420]

I had mine priced for the future: Rod bearings ( APL plus bolts ) Engine mounts Vanos pipe..... £2000 This was from a guy that replaced my throttle actuators nearly two years ago for ( £620 ) which was a great price , I know 2k is a lot of money to lay out for some people but when you consider what this car is with that v10 engine plus your future proofing the car for years and years to come then it’s quite a good deal plus their becoming collectible future classics now .... it’s a no brainier. PS: a sobering thought for you guys , a similar car in power and speed from the mid two thousands say a Ferrari , research a clutch or gearbox or maybe a bottom end change then you know what I’m talking about .... I know of Ferraris that have cost £15k in one visit to a garage ( F355 ) 😬😎👍🇬🇧

[@MTechGuy]

£2K’s not a bad price. £15k for one Farrari garage visit- how do I get a job fixing Ferrari’s!!!

[@artbrookey3468]

Personally, I believe with all my heart, it's a maintenance issue, and previous owner neglect, proper warm up, proper oil etc. I have two, both 2006, both smg's. One I knew the previous owner since new, took care of it, I checked rod bearings at 75,000 miles. One had a tiny scuff.

[@KubanKevin]

It’s not all of them but they clearly have a problem with the rod bearings because if they didn’t, people wouldn’t be talking about it.

[@artbrookey3468]

My thought on that is, if you read posts, many people don't want to pay the money 10w60 oil costs, so they make excuses [stock V10] and use different grades of oil, BMW gives a ridiculous mileage between changes, like 15K I believe. They don't warm the V10 up properly before taking it 8K rpms, In other words they abuse them for awhile, then sell them to unsuspecting customers. 2nd or 3rd buyer ends up buying an abused, and neglected car @@KubanKevin

[@jamesbooth3360]

I am the original owner of a 2007 M6 e64. Never had a problem except a voltage regulator failure (intermittent). Diagnosis disaster that led to $6.5k repair because the dealer just kept changing sensors, etc. I believe the real issue is as the price came down, young guys jumped in their cold car and started showing off. You can rawhide a camery until it fails. This is an exotic car!

[@MTechGuy]

True! Ove had the voltage regulator go out on mine too, pretty common on these cars

[@K06E]

I’m on my 2nd m5. First one never gave me rod issues but I changed it as preventative maintenance

[@MTechGuy]

Good idea for 100% certainty

[@JunYamog]

We got our M5 at 54k kms, replaced the rod bearings at 61k kms as insurance paid 70% of the bill. The bearings are ok, but worn enough to make a claim. Car didn’t have any issues but we inquired if it will be covered. they said yes if it has signs beyond normal wear. Luckily it was worn enough, but I think it may still safe to use for 10-30k kms more. My friends M5 had about 140k kms, his bearings are worn but no issues. We plan to keep our cars for the long term. BTW familiar place, Summit Road at Akaroa?

[@MTechGuy]

That’s cool they came to the party. Other side of the peninsula CHCH

[@scottsracing]

There are enough people who have lunched their VANOS pumps with bits of bearing. Rod bearings have to get really bad before they fail on their own - it's all the material going around damaging other parts that cause expensive failures. I had the rod bearings replaced on mine at 100K and the bearings were quite bad, down to the copper in many places, but fortunately they hadn't fragmented so the car lives on. I bought the car prepared and budgeted to do the work.

[@MTechGuy]

That’s a good plan being prepared and knowing what your getting into before buying one of these cars

[@damon123jones]

what a beautiful view for a photo shoot

[@MTechGuy]

True! Looks even better with the plenums off

[@johngregg401]

I had injector failure on mine and it chewed the bottom end up. Still got me home but it was rough as. Bought another engine and had shells done as a mater of course before fitting it. I also bought a new set of Bosch injectors. I don't take it past 3k or put it under load stress until it's warmed up. The engine and bearings cost me 6.5k. Fitted it myself and just done the NC500 in Scotland. I've done over 6k trouble free miles with the car. Far from putting me off I love the car more than ever. And let's be realistic, it's basically an everyday supercar. You'll spend upwards of 4x what these cost to go as fast or have that many cylinders. It's NOT an ordinary car and you got to treat it with care to see the best from it

[@MTechGuy]

NC500 that would have been a real nice drive in the M5! You must have been gutted about the engine, but that’s awesome you got it all sorted yourself 👍 Save a few £££ in the grand scheme of things. Sounds like the replacement gets well looked after. They are an awesome car for sure and certainly worth it. That reminds me- I need to replace my injectors preventatively! 🤔

[@farazgholami158]

as always great video he knows his stuff prope old school petrol head....I doubt it new generation understands preventive maintenance

[@MTechGuy]

Thanks man, proper old school sounds about right

[@AlexGray]

I will add though, having the rod bearings replaced is a good peace of mind but more importantly will make it much easier to sell the car if it has higher mileage. My friend had his 6 speed manual m5 with 130k miles for sale for over a year and no one would buy it after finding out the rod bearings weren’t done. You would think being a manual, someone would’ve quickly bought it and just spend the $2500 to change out the bearings. But people are too scared. He ended up having to sell the car for extremely cheap because it would NOT sell.

[@MTechGuy]

True. I’ve seen M5’s with rod bearings replaced for sensible money that still wouldn’t sell. It looks like a lot of people are scared of these cars due to the reputation that they have ended up with

[@nurlan-bj2sc]

My e63 m6 has got 159,000 Miles, Grey 2006 Model. OEM rod bearings, had the car since 2007.. not a single issue. But instead of 10w60 I’ve been using 5w50, I drive it daily. People don’t understand this car, majority treat it as if it’s a Toyota “yeah bro let me hit it hard whilst it’s cold nothing will happen” This rod bearing thing is too exaggerated, love this car. (Plus It’s got Long tube catless headers with sprint mufflers)

[@MTechGuy]

Thanks for sharing man. Not bad for 16 yrs of ownership. Bet it sounds nice with that exhaust set up!

[@nurlan-bj2sc]

@@MTechGuy I had 2005 e55 amg before this car, and it was the worst car I have ever owned. Idk if it was abused or no, but it was fairly low in miles.. kinda funny how A v10 engine which everyone is scared of is more reliable than an AMG

[@MTechGuy]

@@nurlan-bj2sc I’ve never been a fan of Merc’s TBH

[@Garik.e60]

After seeing a bunch of particles in my oil filter housing I genuinely freeked out and my heart dropped. I drove the car very gently 4 times in the past 6 months because of it. I then saw m539’s video when he tore apart the engine. The chunks of metal I saw in my filter were exactly the same as what he had. His bearings looked fine with 146k miles. The metal fragments and shavings came from his pump. I have 99k miles on my car so I’m now done worrying about my rod bearings. I’m going to think about the pump now. lol. Jesus it doesn’t end cheap with these cars. He spent around 10k euros on all the parts. Sadly I don’t think I can afford that. If I’m in there replacing my pump, then might as well do the bearings. I’m not fortunate enough to have my own lift so I’d have to pay a shop. The e60 M5 is a toxic relationship. You want to get out of it but you can’t.

[@MTechGuy]

It’s possibly not your pump, more likely rod bearing material. You can get a basic rod bearing replacement, new vanos hp line & pump inspection done for much less than €10k. It just depends how much extra stuff you want to do while your in there. New vanos pump isn’t cheap though!

[@duncsm5662]

I would Recommend getting a Vanos pressure test done. It’s the only real way to determine Vanos pump and line health

[@Garik.e60]

@@duncsm5662 That makes a lot of sense, I don't know why I didn't think of it. Thank you. :)

[@obg6446]

I have had my M5 for 8 years, not had the bearings changed yet and got 112,000m and hod no problems yet. Got all parts to change the bearings just not got round to doing it yet. Ib had more problems with the throttle actuator and idel actuator

[@MTechGuy]

Sounds about right

[@fikratahmad]

I got stock bearings on my 2008 m5 lol, I’ve owned the car since the past 5 years and used 5w40 instead of 10w60. The car’s been absolutely fantastic, I got no issues whatsoever (got 117,811 miles on it)

[@MTechGuy]

Nice! Thanks for sharing man

[@danny01236]

Had my bearings done at 61k purely for piece of mind. The bearings certainly weren’t the worst the specialist had seen but some were down to the copper and was worth while changing them out. I had the fuel injectors and filter replaced and the tank cleaned out at the same time as there are some stories of hydro locked engines due to injectors getting stuck open. All done for my own piece of mind and the M5 should be good for at least another 80k miles with the proper treatment and enhanced maintenance intervals.

[@MTechGuy]

Thanks for sharing. Yes a stuck open injector will destroy one of these engines in a hurry!

[@TheCardinalSpear]

I changed mine preventatively at 110k. I've had it 6 years without a worry of all the hyped up issues.

[@MTechGuy]

Good peace of mind!

[@andrewbrown5402]

My 2005 E60 M5 is on 104,000 miles and my rod bearings have replaced twice. Once on 83,000 before I owned the car, and I had a small hole in the oil pan ( sump ) so while I was having the oil pan changed I had the rod bearings changed again on 101,000. It was surprising how much wear was on these rod bearings with only 18,000 miles on them. So I would recommend to any owner with 80,000 miles on there car to invest in getting them changed for piece of mind

[@MTechGuy]

Thanks for sharing Andrew. Mine where replaced around 120,000 km’s. Good insurance to get them done. How did you end up with a hole in the sump 😮

[@andrewbrown5402]

@@MTechGuy I don’t know how the sump had a hole, I found out after I bought the car. I took the car in to have all the oils changed about 3 months after purchase and that’s when the garage noticed somebody had filled a hole with putty in the sump. So I was lucky to find a second hand sump for £300, so while the car was apart it just made sense to have the rod bearings and vanos pipe changed again.

[@MTechGuy]

Good find! Worked out well as a good excuse to replace the rod bearings and VANOS line while the sump was off, nice one 👍

[@alancook723]

In my opinion... Oil analysis is a waste of time and money to the average M5 owner. If your car is on the original big end shells change the oil... often, by the time you hear that infamous "knocking" sound its already too late for those bearings. Change them out asap if you intend to keep using the car.. oh and did i mention to change the oil... regularly. By the time you you've had 4 or 5 oil analysis tests you've probably forked out more than half the cost of replacing them anyway. Another good vid MTG..

[@MTechGuy]

Cheers Alan, yes regular oil changes are definitely the way to go

[@rbtubehd4201]

Hey there brother, I hope you are fine. Just a question, so in short I’ve been looking at e63/64 m6’s recently… and there is one in great condition, only 59,000 to 60,000 Miles. The owner is a close friend of ours, and he has been taking care of the car very well. Every morning he would let it warm up properly, he does oil changes frequently… always at the time. And oh one more thing, it’s not a daily driver. He drives it sometimes only. We asked him regarding rod bearings, and he said he took perfect care of the car and he didn’t do anything to the engine, so I’m not sure if the rod bearings have been changed or no. Should we get the rod bearings checked before buying it? Even after he has told us of how great he took care of the car? And let’s say we check the rod bearings and we see they are fine, not in bad shape… we could change later right? This rod bearing issue kinda has us scared, Hope you give advise.

[@MTechGuy]

There’s only one way to check the rod bearings with any certainty, that’s to remove them and at that stage you would replace them anyhow. I would say with the car being relatively low miles, and it sounds like it’s been looked after and driven properly, I wouldn’t worry too much about the rod bearings, but make a plan to replace them in the future as preventative maintenance, along with the HP vanos hose and check the vanos pump

[@rbtubehd4201]

@@MTechGuy Hey there again, just one more question. Let’s say this only happened once or twice, somebody revved the car whilst engine is cold but under 2000 rpm, or maybe 1000.. will it affect the rod bearings? Like it wasn’t strong at all, only little pedal touch and car did little revving

[@MTechGuy]

It’ll be fine, don’t worry about it

[@obg6446]

One thing that I did not understand with my car is the guy who owned it before me had BMW main dealer replace the vanso line and not do the bearings at the same time

[@MTechGuy]

Might have been a warranty claim?

[@TyrellGreen850]

My E63 M6 had 2 rod bearings fail at around 100k miles which I had just hit. Blew my entire engine. Has been in the shop for 6 months now being re built unfortunately. I had just bought the car 2 months prior to rod bearings failing and was told by previous owner they had been changed before.

[@MTechGuy]

That must be gutting after only 2 months ownership. Wonder what kind of life the car had prior

[@TyrellGreen850]

@@MTechGuy man it sucked !! But from what I seen it was taken care of really well. My mechanic even thought the engine was perfect. And boom, that fast it wasn’t. Also, what kind of oil do guy run in yours ?

[@MTechGuy]

Might have been a bad bearing install? I always run Castrol Edge Supercar 10W60

[@saltyuno6517]

got a fresh set of rod bearings at 90k miles on my 2009 M6...as preventative; old ones were fine.

[@MTechGuy]

Heard that a few times. It’s a good feeling know you’ve got a fresh set in there though aye!

[@holeefuk8505]

Never overhyped when you're negotiating the price ;)

[@MTechGuy]

1st prize for best user name man! 😂

[@anderssvin4161]

Considered having an extra oil drain plug installed, so that the approx 0,6 liters of oil left behind caused by faulty design of the oil pan also can be taken out? (2005-2007 model years only?). (Have seen it done on the channel "M539 Restorations", doing the rod bearings episode. Also proving that Germans do have a sense of humor! :-)

[@MTechGuy]

Not something that’s bothered me to be honest, and I change the oil way too often anyhow. You can pump most of the oil from the front sump to the rear by running the engine right before you drain it. M539 Restorations English is really good, it’s probably easier to understand than mine I reckon!

[@anderssvin4161]

@@MTechGuy No worries! :-) (Placed the order for change of rod bearings, throttle actuators and vanos high pressure line today, and looking forward to the summer!)

[@MTechGuy]

Nice one, that’s great to hear. You’ll have a well sorted M5 for years to come!

[@gctzx]

I have a friend who changed out his rod bearings, and they then failed within a few hundred km after replacement! The installer then had to source a replacement S85 engine, fit new bearings, and reinstall the engine.

[@MTechGuy]

That’s rough, they may not have torqued the bearing caps properly, or hadn’t Plasti-gauged it first to check?

[@gctzx]

@@MTechGuy I'm not sure what went wrong, however I believe he used either the BE or ACL bearings with improved clearance and these were fitted again in the "new" engine so I don't think clearance should have been the problem.

[@duncsm5662]

Just booked mine in to have them done at 75k, hopefully all is well in the bottom end🤞

[@MTechGuy]

Sounds like you are going to have a well sorted M5 before long. Don’t forget the VANOS HP line while the pan is off too, mine was leaking and was replaced when I first bought the car

[@duncsm5662]

Yep will defiantly getting the Vanos HP line done. It’s actually already been done once the early 2005s where recalled for it. Also going to get the hella gear on the Vanos pump done, oil chain tensioner on the oil pump, they where updated in 2006 for better engagement I believe. Might do the oil sprayers as well they where updated in length to slightly longer and replace the engine mounts as well. Would have liked to have done the oil pan for the one with both plugs, but they are stupid money at the moment.

[@MTechGuy]

That’s interesting it was done that early on, but good you’re getting it sorted while you’re in there. VANOS gears and chain tensioner are a good move, it’s a great opportunity to inspect the VANOS pump too. New style oil squirters are a nice to have but not essential. The duel drain oil pan is overrated, you can get nearly all the oil out by running the engine right before you drain it, and if you change the oil super regularly it’s not really a concern

[@duncsm5662]

Yer I was surprised about the Vanos HP line also! I had heard that the early ones where recalled for it. I recently managed to find someone in my local dealer who was able to track back the cars BMW history all the way back to delivery and print it off for me! And there it was June 2006 13082 miles. This was after I had phoned round loads of the dealers who had stamped the book and got little out of them. Thanks for the advice about the squirters and oil pan! I remember you saying in one of your vids! Hopefully the Vanos pump is all ok it’s very expensive 😫 Thanks for the great advice 👍

[@duncsm5662]

Bearings have now been replaced: Vanos pressure was low on pre replacement test 10 Bar at idle! I did find metal in my filter when I initially got the car and I thought it to be bearing material. I flushed the oil and had it sampled from then on, filter and samples have always been clean. Bearings changed after 4k of ownership. Unfortunately looks like the metal was from the pump. They checked the Vanos oil line for leaks using HP air and found none. They inspected pump and recommended replacement. So I now have: New BE bearing New Vanos pump and oil line New updated crank and pump gears New chain tensioner and springs whilst they where in the area I had them replace the pre cat Lambda sensors. Also turns out my rear brake lines where heavily corroded so both where replace front to back! Wallet has been emptied but the car is running great. Only other thing I had was code: 27B6 Vanos oil pressure, but showed as non existent. No EML I have the old Vanos pump so will strip it down myself.

[@mainlymusicman]

i have 94000 miles on my e60 m5. quotes from BMW for rod bearings were between $15-20000 for parts and labour to replace them. im never replacing the rod bearings the car will rot before i replace them.

[@MTechGuy]

Getting it done at BMW would be done to the factory procedure, using genuine parts include all the bolts that are supposed to be replaced, plus dealer warranty. There are plenty of independent places that can do it cheaper. At 94,000 miles they might be OK, it all comes down to how the car has been driven previously

[@mainlymusicman]

@@MTechGuy I drive the car like a granny. Never go above 6000 rpm and change the oil ever 7-8000 km . I’m not worried about the rod bearings

[@johngregg401]

My only regret is not starting my own channel to record the trials and tribulations I've had to get here. 🤣

[@MTechGuy]

I’d sub to that!

[@dkoz8321]

Amazing! A British guy went through his shpiel without using following words. Blokes, mates, pub, quid, and sorted.

[@MTechGuy]

Aye lad

[@dkoz8321]

@@MTechGuy Aye lad is Scottish , not English. I watched Trainspotting dozens of times, CWO nearly a hundred. I am sorry I could not stomach The Doctor, and could not laugh at Faulty Towers. Benny Hill only made me laugh at those speeded up sequences. Except for Ministry Of Silly Walks and Dead Parrot , Monty Python humor is over my head. Point is, I learned English speak from BBC and BBCAmerica. So I am an expert. That's how British from London to York talk. Welsh are slightly different. I also add 'Right then...' to expectedBrit talk.

[@MTechGuy]

@@dkoz8321 “Aye lad is Scottish , not English” Go visit the north of England then come talk to me 👍

[@dkoz8321]

@@MTechGuy I have visited England. Rented a car, a Mini Cooper, and ALMOST DIED! I had a hard time figuring out how to operate a British car while siting in left side seat. As we do in America. I finally did figure it out by watching old Mr.Bean episode . I used broom stick , cricket bat , and rubber belt to steer and press pedals. I don't understand why steering wheel and pedals are on opposite side of driver seat, and why traffic goes in opposite direction. I deduced, that U.K. is located in alternate universe bubble that intersects our Earth in our universe.

[@gionatapiga9953]

I have two m6,one have 70k km,the other have 111k km and I changed rod bearings at 104. I used both harder,but well OIL change every 3000 /4500 km and inspection,oil shift every 40000 but the thing I think most important to prevent issues is a good warm up:I do so start up and first 10 minutes the engine warms up, then tooled out of the garage first 15 minutes I drive on a max of 3000 rpm even the Rev counter says 8250.I put Bardhal XTR Competition 10W60. That’s all

[@MTechGuy]

Yes proper warm up is a big part of looking after these cars properly. It takes some restraint keeping it under 3000rpm though!

[@obg6446]

12,000 miles a year lol 😆, iv done less than 500 in the last 2 years

[@andreabram1394]

you need to drive the car. enjoy it. not store it. its not going to go up in value. car has a bad image.

[@cubano678]

@@andreabram1394 This car will go up in value. Just my opinion.

[@diablocls55]

I want an E60 M5 but I will not be able to afford the maintenance, I’ll stick with my E550 Mercedes till I can upgrade to an E55 😈