BMW i3 33 kWh 500 km challenge

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[@Tigerdyret]

Loves these videoes with old cheaper EV's! Keep on!

[@MartininitraM]

Excelent test for all of us who buy secondhand.

[@martijnkosters9024]

Can we see a Zoe 41kWh challenge? AC charging for the....eventual.....win!

[@loonymoon1]

I was just saying this the other day. The consistency with charging on the i3 means you really can just know exaclty how long a charge stop will take (charger issues notwithstanding). the 30-40 min average charge for a lowish to 80-90% charge is enough for a food stop and not long enough to be too annoying when in a hurry. I have teh 120Ah last year model and though it's old tech now I'm keeping it. Definitely a keeper. 4 years in i3's now and every time I drive I have a huge smile. the ioniq is superb efficient car but I somehow don't think my smile would be so big driving it ;-)

[@nakfan]

Keep this series going, please… Love these older EVs that can still pack a punch 😎

[@TomLaceyJohnson]

I’d like to see you test the 2020 e-up! With 32 kWh net capacity

[@StormKleist]

Isn't it 24kw? The E-golf is 32!

[@Shagnar]

oh yes please

[@Shagnar]

@@StormKleist it is indeed 32.3 kWh usable, 36.8 kWh gross

[@danielburges8176]

BMW was insane for killing the i3. Such a nice car. And with the continued battery development could easily have been a much longer range vehicle.

[@ev6-joerg]

The Ioniq was driven by you at lower temperatures than in this test with i3 and is the winner nevertheless. Respect for this efficent car 👍

[@herrtichy]

Okay, alright, maybe I am going to get one. At that price point it is a rust free, really cool car that fortunately some people bought specced fully for reasons I don't understand, but, who cares, I can now get a cheap, carbon fiber compact with rear wheel drive, leather seats and Harman Kardon soundsystem. I already know I'm going to be cursing every time it needs tires though.

[@chrdal]

My father recently bought a 2021 model. Had been leased by a careful woman for 3 years, who also fully specced it. I think he is super happy with the purchase.

[@timberthewolf733]

Only issue the i3 has is the AC compressor like to die. Not sure if it's just the earlier models but I have heard it's really common.

[@loonymoon1]

I was at a car show the other day and someone brought along a 2014 i3 60Ah REx with 225,000 MILES on the clock (so 363,000km) he said he'd had it since nearly new.. did everything in it and had had very little issue with it at all. Still running original factory brakes...!! (I assume mostly motorway miles and regen braking). Battery capacity he said he still gets 60 miles or so which he reckoned was only a couple of miles off what it originally had. It looked good - interior seats were leather and all shiny and worn so you could see the use it had. My 2022 is a baby!

[@sebastianpfennig1672]

Yes! I3s 42kwh 500km challenge definitely needed!

[@mchipelo]

Having had a Zoe with 22kW charging, I have to agree, hammering it does not pay off..I did a couple of 550km journeys on it and it way better to keep it below 90km/h than to go on the highway and do 120..any time gained on the road was wasted on the charging. I did the same journey this year with my Ioniq 38 and my brother in law took his Zoe..after 200km in the highway doing 90km/h, he had 54km of range and needed to charge for 1h roughly, I got to the same spot with 140km of range...the car is just not meant to do large journeys 😂

[@zale76]

I got same opinion. I had an e-Golf and if going 115 km/h on speedometer the consumption was around 15-16 kWh/100km - 230 km on full charge. When charging speed of the car is

[@Angusoksen]

love my i3 94ah with 135.000km on it. this thing is so solid. not the best long travel machine though. did 700km in 11 hours in germany in february at 1-6 deg celcius. but the best commuter car i could wish for!

[@martink.9442]

No one can beat the Ioniq.

[@FFVoyager]

The 'classic' 28 is pretty much an unsung hero - only the cognoscenti know anything about it! Other than Bjorn, there are few KZbinrs who have looked properly at it and return to show how good it is.

[@bjornnyland]

Maybe 42 kWh i3 can beat it? lol

[@FFVoyager]

@@bjornnyland with it's huge battery it might (but would be a lot more expensive here in the UK at the moment). You will find out soon I hope!

[@martink.9442]

@@bjornnyland Never ever 😁.

[@PatrikGillgren]

"like a typical norwegian nisse" 🤣🤣

[@frodonifinger2628]

TeslaBjørn! You should really test the BMW i3 together with A Better RoutePlanner, CarPlay and either Mi3 app or Electrified together with a OBD Dongle.

[@moa2252]

In France you can buy a top spec second hand 52 kWh Zoé with CCS for the same price. That is able to drive about 350 km. And about 250 on highway. This car would absolutely smash everything else during a 500km challenge. And the battery does not degrade fast (mine was at 97% SoH at 60k km and 4 years). You should consider to talk more about it. Even if it charges not fast. But by charging at 1C it doesn’t overheat fast. And 135 HP is more tha enough. Plus the ability to AC charge really fast.

[@300rivers4]

I'm considering an Ioniq 5. I'm not blown away by its looks, but I'm getting a great deal on it. Hard to pass up. Going to keep my little 2015 "silver bullet" i3 though. I flippin love that car still.

[@juhovirola1727]

Would be interesting to see how the mini compears to this one

[@3ChFlash]

Thanks so much for this test… I think if you did at 110/115 km/h it would be faster than ioniq….I have 94Ah too… it’s the perfect city car that can do even 100 or 110 Wh/km and so fun to drive 😊

[@Odinscrow1962]

Amusing and entertaining review as usual. Nice 🥇

[@GvanderWindtMusic]

Not sure if it has the same charging system as the Mini Cooper SE, but if it is: The charging stops for a few minutes when you open the driver door, or if you unlock the car.

[@moccaloto]

Nice Karmann Hardon sounds system

[@arjenhoogcarspel4193]

Thank you for testing this Björn. Could you test a few more Alpitronic Hyperchargers (the charger that failed the handshake)? I suspect that the Alpitronic Hyperchargers have problems with the handshake with a few older CCS cars. They claim they use the OCPP-protocol, but according to the OCPP website they are not certified. Unfortunately for me in the Netherlands both Fastned and Alego only place these chargers nowadays rendering this useless for me. I am still trying to contact Alpitec about this, but they don't reply at all. I don't have any trouble at other chargers like Kempower, ABB, Tritium, Efacec and so on.

[@januszpodgajny9903]

I wonder how would 38kWh Ioniq do on this 500 km challenge.

[@BremboT]

Will Norway get any of the Vinfast vehicles?

[@MimMusMet]

We would like to see Kona 39kWh, if possible. Thank you so much.

[@teemuhentunen6223]

Yes please small battery Kona or Niro/Soul test would be great. Although I have learned the battery is basically the same as in the updated Ioniq which was tested by Björn.

[@GiovanniCarloIglina]

Again yes please! Very interesting!

[@tiagocastro1392]

Do a sunday run on the i3👍

[@fernandinand]

Can you redo the IONIQ 38kWh test during summer?

[@timoliver8940]

Would love to see this i3 version run against the Mini Cooper S E stablemate that is less boxy but with the same battery and running gear

[@loonymoon1]

Yes that would be interesting the Mini would probably go a bit further maybe due to it being a motorway test (not the i3's sweetspot lol ). Not sure if the charge curve is quite as good though.. not sure - maybe it is similar to the 94Ah just not as good as the 120Ah.

[@wd800stoke]

kan du teste egolf 36 kw ?

[@easy08154711]

Do the Classic Ioniq Test again in Summer, it will be much much better.

[@kjellking5264]

Maybe one of the Stelantis cars, like the e-berlingo or partner? The first gen of course, not the current models.

[@FFVoyager]

No. Now I'll watch it.....

[@FFVoyager]

21:20 I was right! 😃

[@FFVoyager]

500km for British people is about London to Newcastle.

[@johnhopkins4920]

@@FFVoyagerFor German, Swedish etc. people London to Newcastle is about 500km as well.

[@FFVoyager]

@@johnhopkins4920 🤣

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[@ug636]

i3s

[@thenerd6192]

I don’t see how the 120Ah i3 could beat the classic IONIQ if this one couldn’t. Efficiency is about the same, this already has a flat charging curve, and the 120Ah has the same peak charging speed, so all you’d save is the overhead of pulling off the motorway for 1 charging stop, maybe 2 at a push.

[@Carrman2020]

Let’s face it Tesla drivers are the new BMW/Audi drivers not using blinkers……..

[@markeaton6734]

I always use the indicators, it's the main reason I'm really annoyed about them removing the stalks in the new model 3

[@BjornJorgensen]

I guess that’s why they removed the indicator stalk, nobody was using them.

[@ryancarls]

That map control is infuriating 😤

[@loonymoon1]

Yep but in some have apple car play which helps negate that... these older ones you can fit a multimedia box for android auto/carplay. I have carplay as stadnard inmy 120Ah and never see the idrive interface.. it definitely does make the car feel so much more modern! Car play is a little annoying without touch but generally I use voice for most things. Scrolling on maps is still the one place where I would want touch though...!!

[@roland4030]

Leaf 2???

[@panospapadimitriou3498]

i asume its a hot cable outside the charger for throttle down the charge!!! and charger throws the blame to the car because it s not inside failure...!!! well played swap

[@st4849]

Uh, 8'C vs 22'C and the Ioniq still beat it :) WOW

[@bjornnyland]

The Ioniq didn't rapidgate because it was cold enough... lol

[@st4849]

@@bjornnyland 🤣

[@bjornnyland]

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[@uniquedtech255]

Zoe, Zoe, Zoe!

[@ericvet8b]

94Ah… 😊

[@kritasto2813]

Why old cars can't have a big battery? When I will look for used EV, I will consider ones with biggest battery in given budget. In such a test instead of battery size , limitation could be fx. Some budget, like 15k or something.

[@OenkePoenke]

learned nothing about efficiency and charging speeds?

[@kritasto2813]

@@OenkePoenke I can try to explain something, just say what you didn't learn?

[@PierreDybman]

The 120Ah version has an even better charging curve, it stays at 49kWh up to 91%

[@bjornnyland]

*49 kW

[@loonymoon1]

@@bjornnyland yep somehow at one charging stop I saw 51kW at 92% on my 2022 120Ah.. I'm not sure how. It starts to ramp down just after. but even the 120Ah is 5 year old tech now so pretty impressive compared to some newer small cars (honda e... sadly disappointing as I enjoyed my test drive but it wouldnt' tempt me out of my i3S). . I just wish they'd done a 50kWh/75KW verson. I can cope with stopping a little more than the ioniq as I enjoy the car so much... I much prefer the twisties to the BORING motorway drone anyday.. and the i3S is pretty good fun there and probably more efficient there than these highspeed boring drives.

[@cristipaun4805]

The Zoe gets about 20kw dc in to the battery, 2kw losses. Well, if the ac starts to cool the battery you get only 18.5.

[@bjornnyland]

Isn't it 80 % efficiency on the Chameleon charger? Which means 22 kW * 0.2 = 17.6 kW into the battery.

[@jean-marcgruninger9019]

Bjorn is the bruce lee of ev charging , only chuck Norris could beat him.

[@petyapyatochkin9630]

Chuck Norris of EV is Kyle Conner from Out of Spec Reviews 😂

[@jean-marcgruninger9019]

@@petyapyatochkin9630 the answer is, ‘rage in a cage’ 2 ev guys go in , 1 comes out.

[@StefanSulistyo]

Running only fans ☺️

[@tridrean]

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[@uncioclasprinlume]

Sooooo i3 is verrrrry bad EVfrom bmw..! 😂

[@miciusbmw]

How it hopelessly bland and uninteresting dashboard....

[@miciusbmw]

I can't understand why anyone likes the BMW i3, it's not fast, it's reliable, it's not cheap. It has stupid impractical doors, specific deficit tires, and with 33kwh it drives only 130km in the summer? ... How sheeeeeeeeet... 😄

[@SnowboardABCD]

It can be programmed as i3s so it’s faster; 120km is not accurate I think for this battery unless you do 130kmh on a highway - at that point the “aerodynamics” take the toll. It’s carbon fibre so will never rust. Batteries degrade very little compared to other evs, and you can slap wider wheels and tires on it for daily commuting. Also the price is not that much these days. But I agree something like tesla 3 is probably a much better bang for the buck, except for the rusting part

[@jean-marcgruninger9019]

i like the design, i like the composite construction, the interior has many recycled parts. its a great idea, but it was not cheap .

[@loonymoon1]

@@SnowboardABCD And some people want a small nippy city car for those narrow roads and tight turns with the Model 3 is not. Horses for courses and the i3 and m3 are in different courses really... so it's interesting that people do compare them! It's like comparing a ICE mini to an ICE 3 series people want one or the other for different jobs. Some people run both an i3 and an Tesla and love both.. (even then some still drive the i3 in preference as it's just a bit nippier / dartier for those non-motorway journeys)

[@diy_etc]

I always found it an ugly car. Almost in the category of the fiat Multipla. A car where you would almost feel ashamed driving it. I used car sharing for a couple of months and they only used the bmw i3 so I was pretty much forced to drive it. A couple of months later I bought one, as it really is a great car and driving is just fun. We now also have a Tesla model Y and I honestly prefer the i3 when I know I need to go to the city. The turning circle is so small it is just wonderful (especially compared to the Tesla) It is also more fun to drive. We had a new mini a couple of years ago and driving the i3 is as fun as driving the mini

[@nozarm10000]

Because you've never driven one or been in one...that's why you don't understand

[@nozarm10000]

Almost 3 mi/kwh for an average 62 MPH rate for a 10 year old, boxy EV is impressive

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