BMW i3 Vs Renault Zoe Vs Nissan Leaf - Used EV Test

[@lovecarsTV]

Which of these used EV's would you consider owning?

[@hankthetank185]

I would own the Leaf as it's the best value for money and is much quieter by the sounds of it than the i3.

[@kevins718]

Definitely the i3. I tried i3 the other day and I am giggling like crazy.

[@ScenesThroughTravels]

BMW for it's looks , The Renault because its a normal car . Nissan Boring

[@aidanwilson6035]

I seriously considered a used Zoe when they were many available for under 5k , which is amazing value , unfortunately the price has gone up recently , the new Zoe is a big improvement , especially inside , it is considered to be the best small electric car at the moment with an acclaimed 245 mile range. The I3 and original Leaf look too weird on the outside but at least they have a better interior than the Renault. Fantastic to see Peter on your channel , he is such a great presenter , i hope there will be more collaborations in upcoming videos !. I wish everyone the best of health at this difficult time.

[@Tefloncoated]

i3 as I like BMW and I also happen to like the Audi A2 which reminds me of the i3.

[@bordersw1239]

This isn’t a battery degradation test. It’s a test on how accurate the ‘guessometer’ software is.

[@NZSpides]

They clearly don't understand what they are talking about....

[@PersonGamma]

Totally. It's infuriating how ignorant these motor journalists are of EVs and their tech.

[@russiandrivers9986]

Journalists in general don't know very much about the subjects they talk about ​@@PersonGamma

[@domtdoodar99]

Heads up: The battery pack capacity is measured in kWh, not kW. The motor ‘horsepower’ is measured in kW

[@ElectrofizzStudiosCo]

Horsepower and kW are both units of power

[@jimmys6566]

@@ElectrofizzStudiosCo Motor, each 10Kw = 13 BHP The battery capacity is in KWh

[@alex77xl]

Nerd 😂

[@EngineeringNibbles]

I believe they're conflating range estimate with battery degradation, the range estimate is usually based of off past consumption (at least for the Zoe) The zoe when reset estimates high and corrects the estimate as you drive

[@linusohlsson7914]

We owned the first Zoe for 3 years and the range estimate was horrible.

[@rehabwales]

It's the same for most EVs. The range estimate bis known as a Guessometer.

[@bardhelmersen60]

The range estimate is based off past consumption in the i3 as well.

[@HairyCheese]

In my 22kwh Zoe I could get 90 miles in the summer and 70 miles in the winter (yus I got the software update). My regular 120 round trip took 2 x 20 mins top ups on motorway or 1 x 40 mins and careful driving speeds (62-65mph). My new Nissan Leaf 2020 can do almost 200 miles urban driving and 120 miles motorway (normally propilot cruising at 65mph). I've driven both cars over 200 miles in one sitting, the Zoe would charge at 22kw on a rapid AC charger on the motorway and the Leaf 40-50kw on Chademo (DC). Perhaps Tiff and co should borrow a Jag IPace, Model 3 and Leaf 40kWh for 1 month and be forced to ONLY drive these vehicles. They should have home chargers, but for fun, no home charging for the Tesla due to Supercharger network. Make them do a 500 mile trip 4 times within the month. They'll soon get better. Nothing worse was watching Hammond on DriveTribe reversing the Model X ignoring the large screen reverse camera and peeking his little face over his shoulder.... Oh and checking SOH with an app is required as I can reset most counters in EVs to give their most optimistic mileage .... Forget it. Look at 3-4 miles per kW available to your vehicle unless you're into hypermiling...

[@patrickgraham6786]

this is very true - and an indicator of the residual lack of seriousness in the typical petrol head approach to electric vehicles. I used to own a Renault that told me it had half a tank of petrol left having gone 180m from full - then it would quickly drop to warning light and about 25 miles range left after another 30 miles or so... This is more worryingly inaccurate than the worst 2nd hand EV... but - because of petrol stations, we don't worry... The filling station network took many decades to become the dense infrastructure that ICE drivers take for granted today. It won't take as long before we find that a mix of home charging and things such as street lamp-based pubic plug points = much more secure than petrol.

[@ActuallyVen]

Would have loved to see how much percentage was left on each car and not just the estimated range. Would have made it easier to see just how much energy they actually used on the 19 mile trip.

[@waynerussell6401]

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[@PetrolPed]

Who is that handsome chap in the Renault Zoe ? 😜😂

[@PlanetCypher_]

Why, did he not show so you stepped in?😉

[@lovecarsTV]

HAHAHAHA! Leccy Peddy!

[@lovecarsTV]

@@PlanetCypher_ the element of surprise...!

[@patrickjhorton1]

Petrol ped did your mum ask that question?

[@Barefoot_Joe]

You think petrol is the bit of the name you should change...? xD

[@Pionirish]

So Tiff just discovered a self charging EV. Toyota's PR department must be interested

[@Groaznic]

*Toyota wants to know Tiff's location.*

[@ScrapKing73]

LOL, too true.

[@skodbolle]

Now THAT is funny XD

[@Mr1974tps]

love the i3, so much we swapped our 2015 i3 for a 2019 i3s, both with REX :D

[@lovecarsTV]

We all think it’s a brilliant car. Especially with REX!

[@ewadge]

Love my i3. The only thing I would change is to have the version WITHOUT the REX.

[@17addidas]

I also now drive now a second hand 2017 i3REX. Got a great deal full of expensive options and only 15000km- It was a dealer demo . Its fun .relaxing. VERY confortable .Great Visbility with fab. technology and quality build not to mention very economical to run. On the downside - I charge DAILY at public chargers when I return home with an almost depleted battery .( Im a physician doing house visits and average almost 200km daily) But I compare leaving the car a 20min walk away from home - as daily after work excercise ..like walking a dog . The REX I have used on some 10 occasions in 6 months and it does give me peace of Mind. The car is not an autobahn bullet to compete with R.Rovers or Porsches . Its just a GREAT commuting and CITY car . My best friends have also recently bought a used i3 . They were shopping around for a second hand EV and a test drive on mine convinced them..... used or new GO FOR IT !

[@marks-0-0]

@@17addidas would you recommend the i3 REX over the i3? The way i see it is simple, you might aswell have the extender and have the backup when needed.

[@DonFather]

Tiff's idea of the South of France trip sounds awefully attractive when COVID ends. Should hook up with Harry's Garage for an interesting drive.

[@lovecarsTV]

🙂

[@yoda-1551]

Hold him to doing it in a small used ford lol, he might eat his hat.

[@Johnwillbegone]

Not going to end

[@Billbobaker]

I bought my 2013 Nissan leaf SL with 70k miles on it for $7,500.. it now has 120,00 k miles on it and it still delivers 70 miles of range and has been an amazing ride.. I'm sold on EV's.. thinking about a plunge into a new Kona..

[@futbol1972]

I am debating between leaf, volt and i3bmw to use it pretty much in town. work comute is about 50-60 miles every day round trip...the thing is that I don't have space in garage to park car. It will be park on driveway. Iam wondering how would I charge Nissan leaf or i3 BMW. The volt can be charge on any regular outlet in about 12 hours cause of smaller battery. I wonder if I can use extension cords for leaf or i3bmw if I park it in driveway?? Maybe install charger in the back or on the side of outside of garage and run cable from there to charge EV in driveway?? However I first need to know which car to get. I will be trading my 2009 Prius do to catalic converter getting stolen all the time here in California. I added a shield but that's just a deterrent

[@mollyfilms]

I have the i3 range extender, best car I have ever owned and sooo cheap to run. When the sun is out I charge up of the solar panels on the house. I’ve done 76k miles and nothing to show degraded wise. The regen on the i3 is so bloody good you any believe how much you can get range wise. I travel from Devon to Manchester with no issues at all except for Ecotricity on the motorways always broken!

[@lovecarsTV]

Fantastic 👍🏻

[@vaishak007acharya]

Heehaaa. Tiff is old school petrol head. I don't think anyone can convince him to switch from petrol to electric. But great video guys. I like it. Cheers ⚡🎺🎷

[@lovecarsTV]

We are trying! But you are right 😂

[@vaishak007acharya]

@@lovecarsTV all the best 🎺🎷🍻

[@ginggur17]

I’ve just watched the behind scenes through Peter. I’m crying with laughter. Brilliant. I’m hooked.

[@lovecarsTV]

Glad you enjoyed it 🙂

[@manwithcorsae7738]

I had a similar Zoe to the one in the video. Whilst £19k was the advertised price there were so many discounts that I had mine over a 2 year PCP for 10k miles at £78.88 a month with a battery lease of £80 a month. Total cost (£1893.12 + £1920) = £3813.12. At the end of PCP I could have bought the car for £4442. So a total cost of £8255.12. So your £8 price is not far off what I could have bought it for in March 2018. My last Zoe which I parted with actually made money giving me (at 2 years old) £3500 deposit for my current MG ZS EV.

[@maxthomson2023]

How is the MG ZS EV?

[@manwithcorsae7738]

@@maxthomson2023 Quite an improvement over the Zoe in many ways and not so good in a few others. The ride and comfort is better in the MG along with a lot more space. I can get the seat into a proper position without having the need to sit on 2 cushions, which I had to do in Zoe. Love MG Pilot it's always make me think of Teslas when I put it on and at a fraction of the price. Range and timer charging are the downs against the Zoe, but neither is much of a problem.

[@simonreeves2017]

I went from BMW 3 series Touring to i3 September 2019. Best decision I ever made, not just a fun car with zero emissions in use, but very low running costs - if you do 15-18k miles a year, the fuel savings will almost pay for the car! That's assuming you can charge overnight at home on an off-peak tariff. Thought I would miss the practicality of the 3 series Touring, but with the seats down, the i3 is pretty spacious and so far I have not missed having an estate car.

[@bikeman123]

Is it practical to do 18k miles a year in a car with 80mile range?

[@johnbb99]

@@bikeman123 Yes, easy. Commute 50 miles there and 50 back, 5d/wk, 47 weeks a year = 23,500 miles. (Charge at work, as necessary.)

[@DorsetSaferRoads]

the reason the range went down hard to start with then back up was because you probably didn't preheat the cars whilst charging. Heating up the car initially uses a lot of power, maintaining the temperature of the cabin once up to temp takes very little power

[@johnc5clive]

You guys should work together more! Good work there from all 3 presenters

[@lovecarsTV]

Thank you for the kind words John

[@noeldoran8884]

@@lovecarsTV Natural between you 3 carry on.....

[@ianbartlett9266]

I agree dare i say better chemistry than the other car programme aswell.

[@ronchiti]

I agree but fear the diversity police wouldn't allow this!

[@gavineyles1130]

Good video and was great to see Pete from petrol ped . Would be good to see more vid’s of the 3 of you 👌🏼

[@lovecarsTV]

It was great to have him along 🙂

[@rww805]

The lack of knowledge of EVs is shameful. Anyone who owns an EV will cringe at this. All you have to do to check the battery degradation is plug in a odb2.

[@markgaudie80]

30kW Leaf. Eeeerrrr I think you mean 30kWh good sir 🙄

[@FrankTaylorLieder]

Not bad, but I do wish presenters would learn about their cars first. Most of those cars use previous driving to predict future range, so unless they know how it was driven you can’t rely on its estimate - and this nothing to do with degradation. Also, the Zoe blends brake pedal and regen, so you need to press the brake lightly to get regen.

[@pageseven1792]

I believe the Leaf is the only 5-seater out of that bunch. I own one, and bought it because I have a family of 5. The other two wouldn't work for me.

[@alandavies1054]

I run a company owned Golf diesel and it is brilliant…70mpg on a run but the UK Government are determined to get ICE vehicles off the road so I have got to give EV’s some serious thought for when I retire in a few years. I would not need anything that is super fast or flash…just something decent that both my wife and I would be happy with. I’m quite interested in the MG5 and I recently watched a test drive of the Ora Cat I think it was called…that was very nice.

[@bobtetstall2681]

Great video, I think you three should do a collaboration series, enjoyable to watch and informative.

[@LindyBreaksTheStigma]

a "scientific" test would have driven cars till the battery was flat. You can't use the predicting range because that's determined by how the car has been driving prior to this test. This is why some cars' range increased.

[@billsmith810]

No Renault Zoe here in the states but it's closest to my 2016 Chevy Spark EV I bought in Sept 2020 w/12K miles for $12K and have been really enjoying it. Because it has a small battery pack it's EPA rated for 82miles on a full charge it is not a long distance driver which is a shame since it's a blast to drive with 140hp and 327lb ft (443Nm) I want drive it everywhere. I think used EVs are a great way to see what they are all about. I'm retired but my drive to work was approx 22miles round trip so with this car even taking drives to get lunch I'd be charging on 110v overnight every third day. Yep, perfect 2nd car, or 3rd car in my case (my previous daily driver is a 2016 Pontiac GTO (Vauxhall Manaro) w/6sp)), I bought new in January 2017, which is now my car cruise vehicle. Some pretty awesome EVs coming out but out of my price range so by all means, used EVs are useful, pleasant vehicles that can bring a smile to your face almost as much as driving an old Austin Healy 3000 with a fully synchronized 4sp.....😆 🤣

[@markgaudie80]

I’ve owned 3 Ford Focus’s over the years. 2008, 2010, 2012 models and I much prefer our 2014 Nissan Leaf Tekna any day. It more comfortable, quiet and £4500 cheaper to run over 3 years just based on fuel costs alone.

[@fintrollpgr]

Raving about Zoe pricing, while being completely oblivious of the battery lease costs...

[@Neojhun]

NOT RELEVANT! Zoe Battery Lease is now OPT-IN Option you have to ask for.

[@fintrollpgr]

@@Neojhun Sorry, it is very relevant. Especially since this is about used cars. The Zoe is only cheap on the second hand market because most of them are battery lease versions. Now since last week you it should be possible to buy out the lease if it does not suit you, but that is on average 1/3 of the second hand price on top. And it seems quite hard to find a dealer who will agree to do the work.

[@Neojhun]

@@fintrollpgr There is not many 2ndhand Zoe on Lease for sale. Not like you can realistically get one on that deal. You have better chance finding a car without a battery lease. The problem is availability and existence.

[@Matt-bi4dp]

Have you been in the backseat of a BMW i3? My 200 lb 20 year old has plenty of room, and he is 6’2. Leaf is a great car. I had one, but the battery tech is pretty abysmal in my estimation. That’s the most important part of the car.

[@dannyferguson9415]

Tiff has a good point regarding the human rights and environmental factors related to Lithium mining.

[@mostlymessingabout]

Nobody cares about them poor Bolivians...

[@Brian-om2hh]

You could make exactly the same point regarding cobalt mining, which the oil companies have been engaged in for decades. They need cobalt to remove sulphur during the refining process..... The main advantage an EV offers is that the battery can be recycled at the end of it's useful life, and the lithium and cobalt within can be recycled and recovered to around 90%. Burned petrol and diesel cannot be recycled and reused.....

[@WTFaq]

Great job guys. Good fun to watch.

[@k24hybrid]

Hey Tiff, Monday to Friday = EV ; Saturdays and Sundays = 😈🚗💨

[@anzew88]

This range estimate comparison is as much irrelevant as it can possibly be! Battery degradation is unfortunately a real thing, but it isn't as bad to stop you from buying a used EV.

[@jeremy1548]

Tiff is very confused. The range estimate on the GOM is nothing to do with battery degradation! Some cars are better at estimating available range and that applies to ICE cars as well. 840,000 people run out petrol and diesel in the UK every year.

[@mattwalker6133]

I let my missus drive the leaf to work, then i took it to my work the next day. I arrived with more miles than i set off with, hardly a good way of calculating degradation.

[@jeremy1548]

Exactly! Excellent point.

[@jonathancollard3710]

Great to see three, slightly soiled but high quality products...and the cars weren’t half bad either!. Petrol Ped review skills and delivery complimented this episode well chaps. Personally I would have the i3 but then I’m a badge snob and it has aged extremely well. The Zoe is next but they skirted over the long term battery monthly rental cost @£70 or has that issue gone away?

[@mohammadabu-milhem8206]

BMW 👌

[@lovecarsTV]

Nice choice!

[@jayjay378378]

Who's here from petrol ped, great video 👏

[@kevinseven6633]

Me. Thought Peter fitted right in, though he does need to change his channel name.

[@RWoody1995]

Saying "30kW battery" is like saying "300 horsepower fuel tank", it's kWh (kilowatt hour), might sound pedantic but it honestly is less confusing once everyone understands it because when you say "30kw battery and 80kw motor" it doesn't make sense. But I like how Tiff was forward thinking enough to know how to and also wanted to do the test properly despite the others not wanting to... Yes there needs to be real world testing as well but then you aren't testing battery degradation! To test battery degradation you need to see how much worse the battery performs now vs when new under the *same conditions* and if you are only using the manufacturers range claims to compare against, you really have to do as tiff did and go without heating, test at 20C, etc as they would've done to come up with that claim.

[@iKaGe01]

The Leaf for me is a no brainer. It is bigger too for family. Would easily make it there and back to say Blackpool which is probably the furthest I generally go. If it'd need a charge, it'd only need a little top up on the way back

[@Mark_B544]

From where ya nugget?

[@matpat2636]

Like the video (and great to see Pete with you - more of that please), but as others have said, you've confused efficiency with degradation. Also kw is a measure of power (of the motors) kWh defines the capacity of the battery.

[@AbsoluteMiniacGena]

Is it legal to use radios which aren’t handsfree whilst on the move? I set ours to VOX so as the airway remains open without a need to key the mic, as I compare it with using a mobile phone whilst driving. What is the law on this?

[@lovecarsTV]

Yes it is legal.

[@AbsoluteMiniacGena]

Lovecars thanks for that, I’ll use ours properly then instead of on VOX. I didn’t want to get pulled up as there’s a warning ⚠️ on the leaflet about using whilst driving but it’s from a safety point of view. The hubster and I also use throat mics ever we are out on our quads

[@jamesfilosa6277]

0:47 scienTIFFic 8:37 moTIFF 12:20 posiTIFFs and negaTIFFs

[@lovecarsTV]

Hahahahaha!

[@burrogrande]

Gotta say I love it when you lot cock about with cars like these. Interesting, useful and entertaining. Perhaps the second-hand city car EVs are the best option since the new list prices for these are absolutely ridiculous

[@lovecarsTV]

This is what we were looking to find out, and would agree!

[@markgaudie80]

Makke brand new top spec Leaf Tekna £23k top spec Ford Focus £23k. Not that expensive really. Leaf is 1/5 of the cost of the Focus to run as well.

[@burrogrande]

@@markgaudie80 Well not in the UK at least :). However most people don't buy the top spec. So the price difference is quite large when compared base spec to base spec. EVs are in my opinion the cars to buy if the range is not an issue or it would be functioning as a citycar for shorter journeys. Here in Finland, the nissan Leaf base starts at 38k€, BMW i3 starts at 43k€ and the Renault Zoe starts at 29k€. However the Seat Mii electric for 18k€ would be very tempting if I had a need for a second car.

[@FM-uo4sm]

13:54 charging your phone won't drain your battery because the amout of energy in a phone battery is really tiny compare to a car battery.

[@jameswestwood]

Great video, really liked the honesty of both pos and neg. I have a leaf 24 as my second car and whole heartedly recommend it, however it has to make sense for your circumstances, like any car.

[@pollumG]

Literally just thought, I wonder if Lovecars has posted a vid..and lo and behold....❤Lovecars

[@lovecarsTV]

Very happy to oblige!

[@BradSCC]

Great piece. Great trio. Great work all. 👍

[@lovecarsTV]

Thank you Brad!

[@scottsparky1]

EV all day everyday and then when you need to go on that long journey just hire a diesel

[@lovecarsTV]

Certainly a solution for those who infrequently drive a longer distance!

[@MrSillypoptart]

BMW i3 all day!

[@carlgeorgtsigakis498]

I wish youtube had a meeh button.. This could have been such a great test. Agree with Tiff to leave the dials and temp the same, drive a proper urban cycle of 50-70 miles and alternate on being the lead car. But this is a consumption test, not a degradation test.. For that, using an identical with same age with varied use and milage. Do the test again guys, please?

[@lovecarsTV]

More ev features coming soon 👍🏻

[@xiaowei1]

I own an I3 with about 85,000km on the clock. there does not seem to be any range degradation yet. I drive it about 90km per day, and it has worked pretty much flawlessly. For the negatives, the tyes wear down quickly because they are so thin, and because I have the range extender it is more expensive to service when compared to the electric-only variant. The car is zippy, fun to drive, and i certainly would recommend one.

[@Nobody_Famous]

xiaowei1 have you checked the battery capacity in the service menu?

[@xiaowei1]

@@Nobody_Famous no, i have not played around with the hidden menu. the range however seems to be just as much as when i got it (second hand with 12k on the clock). I tried to hold out as long as i could on changing the tyres, but they just had to be changed at 65,000 km (i should have probably changed them at about 50,000km). The i3 is a great car to drive though, and i would recommend them.

[@rhiantaylor3446]

19 miles is nowhere near enough to be able to comment on the range performance of these 2nd hand EVs - what a let down !

[@theflyingstonemason6867]

I thought the BMW had a small Motorbike engine in as a backup in case the battery ran out?

[@mattwalker6133]

thats the REX bit

[@lightweightbaby7959]

Good to see tiff again

[@christophersmith3703]

The problem is, you can buy a 64 plate Clio Diesel now for £4,300 with under 50,000 miles on the clock and with FSH, which will average 70mpg in winter and over 80mpg during the summer. It’s not that slow either, 0-60 in 11.3 and 118mph top speed. Oh and its Tax exempt too. Diesels arent as popular as they were a couple of years ago, but with a modern diesel car, once you mull over the numbers they still make a lot of sense.

[@carllynch8798]

Quality as always

[@lovecarsTV]

Cheers Carl!

[@VoloKinProject]

Well done guys. You could've said which one is better to drive. We know the i3 is the quickest but how does it handle with those BMX tyres?

[@lovecarsTV]

Ha! Good point.

[@markparker5585]

I’ve owned a 5 series for 20 years and and an i3 for 4 years. The standard i3 does not handle anything like a good BMW saloon. Wider tires, heavier/more weighted steering, and better/ less wallowy suspension would help considerably. The i3s sounds like a step in the right direction, but I’ve not driven one of those.

[@ALMX5DP]

Thank you for the continued content and uploads!!!

[@lovecarsTV]

Our pleasure! More to come!!

[@SimonIngram]

Don't mean to be an anorak, but I was the 1,000 like. So satisfying!

[@kipdennis3796]

This old guy got some humor,he's kind of funny

[@lovecarsTV]

They're all old! :)

[@hankthetank185]

Did Tiff use his "petrol" range extender engine in the i3 to get his high range????

[@geofo60]

So, the big question is............... Are Friends Electric? 😉 Interesting comparisons, great banter and an enjoyable way to spend 15 minutes. Look forward to seeing more videos like this. Thanks gents 👍 Oops forgot to say which one. Has to be the BMW i3.

[@lovecarsTV]

Good choice!

[@henrybalkwill3276]

Driving near to the drive green dealership

[@BarryMakariou]

I can tell you gen 1 Leaf is perfect for 4 wheel drifting! After 3 years of ownership it cost me only £300 in service and a set of front boots nothing else bought for £15k sold for £11k

[@bbbf09]

Range extender on i3 - which I have is brilliant. I have driven probably near 20k miles and needed range extender only a few times - and just few hundred miles. Reckon I've used only a few gallons of petrol in 2 years. But when I needed it was Godsend I admit. The charging infrastructure in UK is pretty crappy and patchy and I would have been stuck for potentially hours on a slow charge on long road trip more than once without the extender. The i3 is fanatastic car. By contrast Electric Highway - courtesy Ecotricity - sucks. Big time!. Go and do one Dale Vince. You are damaging the transition to a sustainable electric car world in a horribly effective way. If I could I would take your OBE and shove it where your New AGe sun don't shine.

[@neilhedley6080]

How much would it cost for battery replacement

[@mattwalker6133]

how much is an engine replacement?

[@Neojhun]

No clue, that is a massive mystery of the Future. No one knows how much a battery cost in a DECADE!

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@mattwalker6133 If it's a 3 or 5 series BMW, you could easily be looking at 5 grand plus......

[@mattsbeamer]

The i3 would be a great addition to my channel. I could do many diy videos but, I’d have no where to charge it :( ahhhhh

[@lovecarsTV]

That is an unfortunate limitation for some 🙁

[@Jmcinally94]

Anyone who heard that off hand comment about charging every night and has an EV: Don't do this! Your battery will suffer if you charge it up regularly when the battery hasn't drained that much. Run it down lower and then charge it less frequently!!!

[@Sunshinesmuse]

Still way too much range anxiety involved for me 😅

[@phatmeow7764]

in the long term i imagine battery packs based on the latest battery energy density would a business in itself? just learnt that we are moving to battery energy densities of 260W/Kg this year...

[@presstodelete1165]

EVs look like great second cars for round town use, but bicycles could do a lot of that work. Are second cars realy an enviromental win?

[@glennmartin6492]

IF Tesla can come through with a 25,000$ (US) hatchback in 2023 as promised then the value of a used EV will plummet. Gone are the days when a used EV could actually be sold for more than was paid for it due to an upswell in demand. There will be some bargains then. Personally I think it could easily be 2025 and 30,000$ with a lot of people going for the 35,000 model because of its' extended range.

[@AbsoluteMiniacGena]

I’m here from Petrol Ped & have subscribed. Gr8 video.

[@lovecarsTV]

Thank you for coming over 🙂

[@upsidedown4155]

Yes if a brand new battery is fitted and a buy back scheme from the maker, otherwise no, you have to have alot of money you can afford to lose to own a second hand ev

[@clacton17]

I agree with Tiff, compared to EV's in China, they are far to expensive here in UK when new.

[@foedamdictu]

Interesting to see how well the batteries have held up. I must add, excellent content as always! I do have a random question though, if you don’t mind: what is the jacket that Paul is wearing?

[@lovecarsTV]

Send a questions on Instagram 🙂

[@NWVT]

another top vid guys

[@ThorburnJ]

Watching this thinking the roads looked weirdly familiar, then realised they borrowed them from Drive Green which is only about 20 minutes away.

[@lovecarsTV]

Yes, great bunch of guys there 👍🏻

[@rexmedorum]

Surprised you mention the price of the Zoe without mentioning the battery lease.

[@daveyboiyeah]

You can buy them outright now

[@tsb3093]

My thoughts exactly and whilst it is the case that most recent Zoes have ‘owned batteries’ I think that nine months ago they would have been hard pushed to find a 65 plate Renault Zoe for £8k without a leased battery. Still checking Autotrader today in Jan 2020 I found at least one example with owned battery on a 15 plate for about £8,300. That is not bad value for a car with official 130 mile range and quick charge capability.

[@bobtetstall2681]

Wait for the "shouldn;t be using walkies when you are driving" comments .....

[@metalguru]

Bob Tetstall clearly breaking the law though aren’t they.

[@evilmario6061]

@@metalguru In the UK you may legally use a two way radio while driving, as long as this does not cause your driving to suffer in any way.

[@csp6]

Here's what you do if you do a once-a-year long drive to Scotland - hire a different car for the week. The amount you'd save driving a smaller car every day would more than offset it.

[@IN2VWStv]

Tiff's i3 could do the Scotland trip. It has the range extender option......he just has to stop for petrol every 60 miles due to the 9 litre tank.........but it can be done.

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

@@IN2VWStv why stop every 60 miles... Drive to a charger ffs

[@IN2VWStv]

@@SNORKYMEDIA Great idea! .....but then I have to wait 4 hours for the car to charge, assuming there are no other cars being charged at the time.......Hmmm, tough choice......ffs.

[@AmandaJayne46]

Great vid guys, personally I’d go for the i3 or the Nissan Leaf 🍂. I must be honest hear though, I’m with Tiff the legend. My favourite engine is still the Mercedes-Benz 63 AMG. Oh yah Tiff, he’ll never loose it, always the legend. Having Tiff Needell and not having a drifting car it’s not the done thing guys lol 😂. 💋

[@lovecarsTV]

Haha we like to review all types of cars 🙂

[@retrodog63]

The I3 is NOT a road trip car. Not for somebody over 25 anyway. The Leaf cruises nicely, as an all around car, just doesn't have the range for significant road trips. Not the Gen 1.

[@PlanetCypher_]

I believe Tesla Model 3 has now overtaken production numbers from the Leaf.

[@lovecarsTV]

Yes, it's incredibly close. This was correct at the time of filming

[@craigrogers7344]

Not quite but it won’t be long

[@BartCee]

I drive Nissan Leaf and am always almost annoyed when people talk about miles of range. It’s pointless. The only useful metric is how much battery you have left. And battery degradation is indicated on the dashboard.

[@waynerussell6401]

Indicted but not measured. Only real measure is 100-0% on a dyno as Leaf 33kWh owners found. www.noted.co.nz/tech/tech-tech/nissan-leaf-new-software-fix-for-battery-degrading

[@mattwalker6133]

how about how long to charge? mine charges overnight and its never from 0%

[@waynerussell6401]

@@mattwalker6133 Comparison with new results on full discharge is the only definitive test. With modern NCA 8.1.1 LiPo chemistry an initial degradation of about 5% in the first 50 000 miles is expected with larger batteries. Thereafter falls to about 1% per year. The new round of chemistrys revealed by Tesla from their lab run by Jeff Dahn show extremely low degradation in the order of 6000 full cycles or over a million mile battery life. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX7LaXybYpKLbqc jes.ecsdl.org/content/166/13/A3031.full

[@HyperTeHK]

Scientific and relying om gom? Tiff really has no clue wat he is talking about. Only tesla uses an absolute for the battery indicator, you have to count consumptie allong so if you drive more economical the range wil go up just liken in a petrol car. Look at TCO the leaf is dirt cheap. Except it is the 2013+ 24kwh that is cheaper if you do NOT need the range or much faster fastcharging. The 30kwh leaf is fine for longer distances. Do check the soh with leafspy before buying. The i3 is indead too expensive, the zoe with battery lease is too expensive compared to a 24 kWh leaf.

[@robertbarrett7420]

it's illegal to use a mobile phone while driving but walkie-talkies are ok ???

[@IN2VWStv]

Yes.

[@michalmichalik1700]

guessometers are useless, my leaf was always predicting incorrectly and hugely optimistically. My Outlander was doing the same but a bit less incorrectly. The end result, sold both. Leaf - battery pack too small for everyday use. Ok for around 80% of trips, but then not suitable for a longer trips at all. Even with rapid chargers, that adds enormous time to the trip. (60mi reliable range, 40mi in winter) So bought Outlander PHEV - what a mistake. with 25 mi real world EV range, no point to charge on rapid chargers at all and charging at home to gain 1 way of journey, having all that tech which eventually will start breaking... and nowhere near as powerful or nice to drive as pure EV. So go for an EV with at least 60 kWh. I wouldn't even consider anything below 80kWh. Then its a real car which is way superior to ICE, but without the capacity its just not that nice to live with. Let's see whether CyberT will be the answer. Although parking that tank may be a bit of a problem ... for the other road users.

[@peterszczesiak6025]

I bought an I3 Rex in February great car well made and is saving us 160 squids a month in fuel, I am mindful that they are expensive but for us with a drive we can charge at home, but free charging is everywhere so we use that as why pay?

[@efren9223]

It sounds loud inside the i3 compared to the other two?!

[@benmoorhouse1988]

I'm a petrolhead and i3 Range Extender owner that would never go back to an internal combustion engined car for my daily driver. From Yorkshire I've done a trips to Southampton and Glasgow at minimal cost and minimal inconvenience - but I've got the Range Extender so could just put more petrol in if I didn't fancy a break. As a 2013 MY car the i3 is years ahead of the Zoe or Leaf and still holds its own against EVs today too. I can't afford a Tesla Model 3, so my next car would likely be a one year old i3S after someone has taken a huge hit on depreciation.

[@lovecarsTV]

Great to hear. That REX makes a big difference 👍

[@15october91]

I currently have an M135i and have had it for 2 years now. I was actually considering the i3 before I bought the 135. Saying that I’ll probably get the new M3 in a few years (if I’m in good financial standing) lol.

[@lovecarsTV]

Good choice!

[@markgaudie80]

The fuel bill would knock me sick 🤢

[@RomanRoman-xi3dv]

Whats with the walkie talkies? Never heard of conference call on mobile phones? Its like using candle when there is electric bulb.

[@tronicit]

A second-hand French car is like herpes. It’s all fun until you have it and then once you have you can’t get rid of it.

[@jeremispetre1988]

evrytime i watch a UK show i wonder if the UK ever heard of dentists.

[@williamgoss4691]

Usefully and entertaining video, thkz. ( Q: Buy an EV ? Me ; Certainly not a new one. if I could charge at home - I can’t at the mo - then perhaps when my current ICE expires, b4 unlikely b4 that. I would still wanna do longish journeys, with a ETA of not more than a hr more than my current ICE vehicle. So that’s probably a couple of years away still..).

[@24peahead]

The guy in the leafs hair dye is funny.

[@hassanawan73]

The older guy has the same point as i do!

[@1silvervespa]

What All of these manufacturers should be doing is Offering UPGRADE PACKAGES to people with the older modles . Better Battery pack and other options like Upgraded Motor . Rather than these cars going to recyclers ...... Give them a smaller footprint by keeping them on the road longer..

[@lovecarsTV]

Good idea!

[@raymaas8330]

I have a 2014 i3 Rex. I wouldn't buy an electric car without a range extender (which severely limits my choices).

[@pokiou]

Electric for city driving and diesel for long range.