BMW M3 VS LEXUS ISF **owners review**

[@jaimehurtado356]

Thanks for watching another one guys! I tried making it short but there’s a lot to cover!

[@sdlausen1]

For 99% of drivers, the ISF is more than enough car for daily and fun use. At half the price and considering it's indestructible, the ISF is my preferred option.

[@jaimehurtado356]

I 100% agree 👍🏼 iv owned it for a few years now and I was just ready for something else but for those rears it’s been great

[@jaimehurtado356]

My goal is to eventually get into a Porsche gt3 that’s my dream car

[@sdlausen1]

@@jaimehurtado356 you'll get there man. I went from an rsx-s to an s2000 8 years ago. Got a 2011 IS350 Fsport 5 years ago and now about about to upgrade the is350 to an ISF for the same reasons you mentioned here. Don't think I'll ever get rid of the s2k though.

[@unknownsource4359]

sdlausen did you ever cop your F? Me too I got a 2012 is350 f-sport for a year now. Im ready for the F.

[@sdlausen1]

@@unknownsource4359 Are you asking how I found one?

[@TheDavcrz5]

Great video well done. I've owned my IS-F since new 10yr now DD for 7yrs its been FBO for 9yrs tune and tuned intake with larger 87mm MAF Housing for 3yrs, koyo radiation, FigsEngineers trans cooler 106k miles running flawlessly had compression test and engine is very healthy. From factory IS-F has forged crank, forged rods, forged lobes, titanium lifters, aluminum heads built and designed by Yamaha F1 designed team. Suspension upgrades from Figs Engineers LCA endlinks, adjustable toe, mega arms solid metal hub bearing and RR Racing LCA, Skikky sway bars, Superpro bushings there more aftermarket support then you maybe aware such as Penkse coilovers, ohlins coilover, Kwv3 coilovers , Airlift3H perfomance suspension etc, Figs Engineers suspension, brakes, bushings and chassis components, Project Mu PS brake pads, Headers catbaback exhaust from all major companies such Borla, Akrapovic exhaust, meistercraft exhaust, JoeZ Exhaust PPE Headers, Skikky Headers etc. RR Racing, suspension components, Tune and Tuned intake their Supercharger from stageI to stage III. 295 in back no problem just have to get right offset for rims. Carbon Fiber steering wheel interior panels, Carbon Fiber Hoods, spoilers, diffusers. You are correct out their for BMW but these aftermarket companies such as FigsEngineers and RR Racing and others produce extremely high-quality parts. Yes only 5100 were shipped to usa roughly 4000 regestered in usa out of over 260 million cars registered. Quick video of steering wheel kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIPbqJWroKmpY80

[@nickshaw4679]

ISF looking cleeeaaannnn 👌🏼 wrapping mine the same nardo grey now. Btw a bloopers video would be awesome!!

[@jaimehurtado356]

Nice! It will look good! For now on I’m wrapping every car nardo 🤣 alright next video, bloopers at the end lol

[@jameshassell7601]

Love both cars, I was a Lexus fanboy but traded my IS350 for an F80 Competition as wanted something newer than the ISFs that were around. The practicality of the M3 is awesome, loads of room in the back, seats fold down etc. Coupled with the performance and quality it's hard to match.

[@terrancecollins2696]

I currently own an ISF and was going to get rid of it for the F82 M4 ... But I think I wanna have both at the same time lol the ISF is an AWESOME car

[@jaimehurtado356]

Yeah I really do think the Isf is a fun car it’s a little bit more raw and the sounds it makes are great 🙌🏼 but the bmw with how fast it is and the turbo spool and how smooth it is can also be fun in a different way 👍🏼

[@bcatz454]

M4 right now for around 30k used for a 2015 is an INSANE value at the moment.

[@t-money10]

I currently have a isF and love it.... I plan to get a f80 me next....but I'm trying to keep the isF as they are going up pretty quick in value .

[@bjongoco]

Great video. I own a ‘12 ISF and an 04 M3. The isf isn’t as good of a track car but damn I don’t have to tow it for out of town events or worry about things breaking in the back of my head. You’re right about thr m3 has ving tons more aftermarket support

[@jaimehurtado356]

Nice! That’s a good combination! Yeah it’s still fun but pretty heavy lol

[@rodk691]

Yes...have an 10' ISF... Super rare! One of the biggest reasons why I went with the Lexus ISF.

[@xdejablu3x]

Nice video man. Both great cars. Your one of the reasons why I own an F. Keep up the good stuff man.

[@jaimehurtado356]

Thank you!

[@bigdik3903]

ISF all day every day

[@samaccurso]

Very good review, everyone has different top priorities, mine is dependability & pleasure of driving, my everyday car is my 98' lexus gs400, love it still everyday!!

[@apb1441]

2011+ IS-F in Blue, dream car, also a unicorn in Australia lol For now my 2010 GS460 will do :)

[@GRfourfun]

Same car is a unicorn in the UK too, only 200 here.

[@binoymathew5413]

The ISF is truly the first attempt by Lexus and having lived with it for over a year as a daily driver, with a dark grey exterior, a true sleeper as most don't even know about ISF. M3 would be better on a track, the BMW racing experience would be shining through, but the ISF would be a better daily driver and reliable. I have 285s in the rear without any changes

[@Scott11078]

I've been driving auction while my kids in class for some extra cash plus the chance of getting to drive a cool car. I remember the first time I saw an ISF, I thought hey that's a good looking Lexus so I decided to check it out. I don't know what possessed me to fire it up, like I said I'd never heard of an ISF and very few engines sub 8 cylinders sound good to me. It was a cold morning and I was not expecting what was about to happen when it boomed and growled to life. I sat there stunned for a second OH FUCK YES was about what I was thinking.

[@binoymathew5413]

@@Scott11078 I have to admit as well, that while I had heard and read about the ISF since the time it was launched (I distinctly remember the first time I saw the quad stacked pipes), when I got into one and started it....it was definitely an experience.

[@stealthkiwi1869]

The Lexus will be worth more money in the future and still will be running!!

[@fourthirtysl]

Both cars are awesome but I would take the M3. Your F80 build is very tasteful. It’s how I would mod it if I had one. Some feedback on your video. When talking about the Lexus you showed clips of the BMW and when talking about the BMW you showed clips of the Lexus. I’m enjoying your content. Keep it up.

[@jaimehurtado356]

Lol thanks man I saw that too but I ran out of time to be honest I wanted to get the video up before leaving to work, next time I’ll just save it for the next day so I can take more time on editing 👍🏼 I realized that also when I watched it later at work.

[@gtojay9607]

Sick rides man! Still need me a ISF!! JUST SUBSCRIBED 👍👍

[@jaimehurtado356]

Awesome man! Thank you for the support!

[@Z28videogates]

Had an ISF - rare is not good. Less parts available means cost of parts are way more. Bent a wheel and one 2011 19x11 factory rim was $2k. Same gas tank size as the 6 cylinder meant range is only like 240 miles with full tank. Other than that amazing car. BMW eh I live in OC - they are played out so much it didn’t interest me but also a nice car. Thanks for making the vid 👍

[@bossaiednac94]

In my opinion Japanese are better. Lexus nowadays are more commercialized in Europe. But BMW “Bimmer” is the number 2 in Europe, number 1 Audi

[@PResmejor]

Good thing that boost logic is making a supercharger kit for the 2urgse other than rr racing. There's 2 other companies that tune lexus but RR is obviously the most well known.

[@jaimehurtado356]

That will be nice man, the whole time I have owned my Isf there has been many companies promising products for our cars but they never follow through I got tired of waiting. It will be nice to see some options out there. That’s my favorite thing about my M the options are endless the tuners are endless. More support for the Lexus community would definitely attract more ppl!

[@PResmejor]

@@jaimehurtado356 Most definitely! That's the one thing lexus lacks and that's aftermarket support !

[@eddieayala2997]

Broooo why you look so cute though !

[@alfa_media9654]

Great review. I’m in a muscle car at the moment. However, in considering the transition to either of these two cars. Thanks so much for the insight!

[@greebuh]

The ISF is a muscle car.

[@alexmorazan12]

The isf is my dream car especially with that wrap

[@jaimehurtado356]

It’s a really good cars and holds up well against the competition!

[@alexmorazan12]

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[@nyflo718]

"BMW used lightweight materials"....they use plastics and that's why thr bmw is less reliable to the lexus....not a fanboy btw

[@binoymathew5413]

ISF would definitely be a Collector's car

[@didafm]

I think a BMW 340 with the B58 and a stage 2 tune is insane.

[@djardy07]

Agreed! I can’t stand how the F doesn’t have much aftermarket support. I upgraded my F radiator to a Koyo as well. It’s great

[@jaimehurtado356]

Nice! It’s a great upgrade I had an oil cooler upgrade also but I sold it. I think the Isf is an amazing car how it comes for the factory but it’s hard for myself not to want more it’s a never ending game lol

[@djardy07]

@@jaimehurtado356 surely can’t argue with that bro. The option is 10k to run 650whp+ but that’s about the limit on a stock block. Build the block and maybe run 750-800whp spraying. I liked your video a lot cause it really just breaks down not weaknesses but limitations. Nice work fellow F owner

[@jaimehurtado356]

@@djardy07 thanks man and that 10k not including headers/exhaust/ stuff like that as well it adds up quick! And if you don’t know how to install it yourself that’s another 5k at least! They do sound amazing SC tho it would be nice!!’ Maybe some day. I appreciate your support man 🙌🏼

[@amgone75dm]

The ISF is about 200 lbs heavier. Great review!!

[@jaimehurtado356]

You are right man had to look it up after 👍🏼 that’s impressive with how much bigger in person the M3 is. It looks heavier then it is. Thanks for the support 🙌🏼 i was surprised you were and OC cars and coffee with all the other F guys

[@liquidh6344]

@@jaimehurtado356 Plastics... That’s one reason why BMW is lighter and less reliable.

[@jaimehurtado356]

@@liquidh6344 yup also the V8 must be pretty heavy, the M had carbon roof, carbon drive shaft, magnesium oil pan among other things

[@liquidh6344]

@@jaimehurtado356 No doubt the carbon stuff made up much of that 200lbs difference too.

[@kidmick809]

Good quality reviews man

[@jaimehurtado356]

Thank you!

[@djzaki]

So, i have the e92 m3 and the maintenance has been minimal except oil changes are expensive and ive done sone big ticket items but paid no more than 1400 over 4 - 5 years of ownership. Still need to do rod bearings preventatively. I definitely say you made the more safe bet with your car. As for which is better, it honestly depends on the driver and what they prefer. Btw. Congrats man i see those ads!!!!!!! Im almost there. Few more subs and ill be there!!

[@jaimehurtado356]

That’s great man! I’m glad to hear your experience has been good I also think it contributes to the driver and how well they take car of their car and how they drive 👍🏼 I think the E92s sound great and look great Thanks! You will get there soon you have been posting often 👍🏼

[@Justanothercarguynyc]

After a tune the m3 blows the isf out of the water

[@jaimehurtado356]

@@Justanothercarguynyc 100%

[@djzaki]

@@jaimehurtado356 definitely! If bmws are maintained and taken care of they last forever. Thank you bro! Do the followers and views come easier after?

[@ericinfante1885]

You also could have included some more information that aids the isf, which is... 2011+ the isf got suspension tweaks which has made drastically handling improvements as well as the cluster in the dash was changed. The RR Racing company has kits for it where its latest supercharger kit "rr780 kit" makes up to 800 crank hp! WHP was about mid to high 6XXs their website has all the #s and their lowest setup makes a bit above 500whp! Or 620 to the crank i think! And all were driven 9k plus miles and on many types of terrains and tracks! On stock internals and transmission with no reliability issues.

[@jaimehurtado356]

Yeah that’s enough to have it’s own video, the difference between the Isf years I just wanted to compare my Isf vs my M3 there’s also many other M3s with more upgrades from the factory like M3 Comp, M3 CS etc 👍🏼 as far as the Isf I knew a few people personally that had to have their engines rebuilt unfortunately. I know there are ppl that have great success with them tho and they sound amazing Supercharged and it’s very unique to have a SC Isf

[@jaimehurtado356]

At the end of the day I would love a SC ISF 🙌🏼 my car has 90k miles I’m not sure how long it would hold up to track use being sc

[@TPMach1]

Both very beautiful bro but that IS-F 🔥🔥❗️❗️

[@Earache.]

It’s low key easy to make power in an isf due to the v8

[@jaimehurtado356]

They don’t make much power over stock maybe 30-40hp FBO that’s like $4,000 in parts just for 30-40hp

[@Earache.]

@@jaimehurtado356 that’s because nobody feels like doing custom turbo kits and stuff like that BUT that just so happens to be what I do for fun!!

[@jaimehurtado356]

@@Earache. that’s not really the problem to be honest, the problem is no one can tune the ecu to be able to support a turbo kit many ppl have tried all but one company has failed. No major tuner offers tunes for this car because they can’t figure out the ecu unfortunately

[@jaimehurtado356]

@@Earache. I love turbo cars if I sell the Isf I’ll be getting another turbo far lol

[@Earache.]

@@jaimehurtado356 very very true

[@groundhabit6408]

Both vehicles are amazing ... Keep up the content ...

[@jaimehurtado356]

Thanks! I appreciate the support

[@TheLexusIS250Dude]

Awesome video I love both of your cars

[@jaimehurtado356]

Thank you!!!

[@TheLexusIS250Dude]

@@jaimehurtado356 your welcome

[@edwardsison]

I owned a highly modified IS-F and then went RC-F. I now own a 2019 ZCP F80 M3. Not sure why you said that stock for stock they are near in performance. A FBO will have a hard time keeping up with a stock F80 much more a ZCP.

[@jaimehurtado356]

I meant more on paper but I haven’t taken my F80 to the track yet so I don’t really know what all It can really do

[@unknownsource4359]

what gives you more thrills to drive, the ISF or the f80 m3 you now have?

[@jaimehurtado356]

@@unknownsource4359 the Isf, the v8 sounds mixed with the more raw feel of the car is more thrilling plus the power is very manageable were the M3 is much faster in every way but much smoother so it doesn’t feel as exciting or as fast as you are really going so you have to be careful

[@Z28videogates]

A word of advice check with your insurance company what your insurance will be on either of these cars.

[@iandubria6906]

I like both car’s 👍

[@greebuh]

How does the ISF carry five people with 4 buckets?

[@jaimehurtado356]

Typo 🤣 my bad iv only ever sat 2 ppl in mine

[@greebuh]

@@jaimehurtado356 it's got a plastic piece in between the back seats man. And you've had yours a hell of another longer than me and I noticed...

[@bcatz454]

Lol, you're completely wrong with Lexus/Toyota not having a heritage in racing. Lexus won 24 hours at Daytona for 3 years in a row starting in 05. Lexus as a manufacturer team also raced the IS300 for a couple years starting in 2001 in Grand Am cup. They also raced in Super GT with their SC430 before the ISF came out. Yes, BMW and Lexus both have heritage in racing. The ISF is heavier because it was a couple Lexus engineers that got together afterhours/as a side project and pieced the ISF together with a small budget. Not like the M3 which was engineering focused. Its apparent in the suspension pieces where the ISF uses more steel arms.

[@samandrew5643]

Do you think if Lexus makes a new IS-F do you think the prices of this gen IS-F will go up or down?

[@jaimehurtado356]

I think they will stay the same or go up, if I new Isf comes it out will be like 60-70k starting ppl will want it but many won’t afford it

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

new ISF turned out to be an F-Sport compromise car - so prices of the "REAL" ISFs will go up....

[@crxracer805]

What headlights are those on the ISF?

[@jaimehurtado356]

Vland headlights 👍🏼

[@davpart7723]

Can I ask which headlights you have on the IsF?

[@jdhog215]

those are the vland headlights

[@zxdr2]

how much was your f80?

[@nicholaspinedo9675]

aye where did you get the carbon fiber trunk spoiler for the isf?

[@jaimehurtado356]

eBay lol cheap too it even had Toyota stamped on the bottom which I thought was interesting

[@anthony8487]

@@jaimehurtado356 which vendor was this from? I’m collecting every trunk spoiler and wing available since I can’t make up my mind and keep switching them out haha

[@josegonzales8445]

Isf is a 4 passenger sedan 😢

[@jaimehurtado356]

You are totally right lol I forgot it had that plastic tray in the center. The M3 is a 5 seater

[@nicholaspinedo9675]

@@jaimehurtado356 1 less person to add weight haha

[@verdict17]

Jaime, have u seen this video on KZbin: Ekanoo racing’s Lexus isf twin turbo crash.

[@jaimehurtado356]

Yeah crazy video those guys are crazy lol

[@dspada67]

Awesome. I just sold my ISF and kept My e92 M3 , I think I may have mad a mistake 😭

[@binoymathew5413]

ISF can seat only 4

[@zparkergeco]

Lexus ISF best reliable V8..I owned one...sorry I sold it😭

[@mperformance3502]

ISF manual mode is the biggest issue. There’s a huge delay after you press the paddle. Corolla paddle shifter is more responsive.

[@jaimehurtado356]

Yes there is, when the car came out paddle shifters were still pretty new but they definitely should have improved the response time with the later Isf models! RR racing tune does improve the shifts though but still doesn’t compare to modern cars

[@luke-ew8qd]

only at lower rpm, at higher rpm it’s literally instant. 0.1 shift times which is still impressive for a torque converter auto. downshifts are also crazy quick, more responsive than brand new mustangs. ive driven both cars and when ur pushin it the dct isnt that much faster

[@AlexGarcia-yt9px]

Hi jaime are you still planning on selling the car?

[@jaimehurtado356]

Yeah I will be

[@AlexGarcia-yt9px]

@@jaimehurtado356 where will it be posted on?

[@jaimehurtado356]

@@AlexGarcia-yt9px Facebook market, offer up

[@AlexGarcia-yt9px]

@@jaimehurtado356 awesome thank you👍🏻

[@jaimehurtado356]

@@AlexGarcia-yt9px I’m just waiting to replace the touch screen sensor haven’t had time

[@migueltovar9702]

How realiable is the m3 any issues so far?

[@jaimehurtado356]

No issues whatsoever just do your basic maintenance like any other car

[@migueltovar9702]

@@jaimehurtado356 I am debating between a m3 or a new is500. Thats why i was asking.

[@Greatestofalltime7219]

Get an ISF unless you are a BMW mechanic, have a discount on parts, And time.

[@MikeyG003]

You clearly know nothing about these bmws 😂

[@andyburton8346]

The lex is from 2008 And what year is the M3 way newer 🙄

[@rabbirhassan6940]

4 doors for more wh**** 😂🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Chiboza]

Lol I have both.. m3 broke down twice :(((

[@jaimehurtado356]

Damn what happened?

[@didafm]

Anyone daily driver an M3 out of warranty? How expensive is it to own one?

[@MikeyG003]

Not expensive at all especially if you can wrench. Basic maintenance is all. Spark plugs every 25-30k on these motors tho

[@NOLANATION9]

M3 👍

[@bigdik3903]

there is 725 hp ISF btw

[@03jojo78]

Is a 195k mile is F worth $20k?

[@jaimehurtado356]

I’m selling mine for 19k 92k miles but it’s salvaged

[@standup911]

I have a 11’, FBO with tune. 185k miles. 24k

[@th-mo8fq]

@@standup911 you still have it You in California? I got 20k

[@alemanski]

do you still have an instagram bro??

[@jaimehurtado356]

No I don’t sorry man

[@alemanski]

@@jaimehurtado356 all good, just wanted to see if i can keep up with the builds other than in youtube. either way love the quality of the videos man keep pushing them out🤙🏻

[@jaimehurtado356]

@@alemanski thanks man I appreciate it! Just sold the Lexus today 💔 but currently searching for a new project to do on the channel

[@alemanski]

@@jaimehurtado356 i am in the same bubble kind of, really want an isf just something about F’s that they have a special place in my heart, but also really want a f8x. after watching your comparison video, power isn’t always the best, and the isf definitely will feel way more raw and quicker as you said.

[@freemaysin5088]

i know which one will make it to 200k+ =p

[@jaimehurtado356]

The v8 Camry!

[@MikeyG003]

Both actually. Some dude daily drive his f80 to like 220k miles and sold it with no issues believe it or not