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[@robertakerson7186]

This video was well done and I found it quite helpful and very informative. Although I got confused; it took me awhile to figure out that when you were talking about "the mower" it was all about the motor!

[@babayaga1767]

just got one last weekend. fantastic. got a 2010 rt for sale now

[@gsd32i]

Love the videos , very informative and fun to watch. Just wondering if you’ve traded in the 2014 GS yet ......and for what. Keep .( I borrowed a friends triple Black and although nice didn’t blow me away.....also tried the new GS1250 and to be honest still didn’t do it for me. Great bikes for mile munching they are , but I still need that little bit of excitement and that tingle when I see the bike in the garage before I take it out , or just stare at it with an ensuing warm glow .. Loving the KTM1290 SA and possibly the 2019 KTM GT 1290. Nice videos and I enjoy your passion for motorcycles.Ride safe👍.

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Thank you sir.. Yeah I get ya, I'm sort of having this dilemma myself. I love the GS (so does the wife) and it does just about everything I want on a daily basis but yeah it doesn't set your pants on fire. I need to put a video together about this so please don't tell my other subscriber... but I have decided to buy myself out of the finance on my GS and keep it. so once I've recovered from paying over that money I'll be on the search for my "second bike" TBH it's probably going to be a KTM SDR but I'm going to have fun trying a few bike this year. plus I need content, LOL!!.. I'll be on the 2019 GT in a week or two. I hear that bike is quite special so I'm really looking forward to it. thanks again for the great comment.

[@gsd32i]

Funnily enough the GT is also on my list too ! Ride safe and I look forward to how it pans out 👍

[@glynn9650]

Just brought a 2018 GS Rallye after swapping my 2016 GS triple black and I love it 😍 the difference between the two is incredible,quick shifter and the Shaft are a massive improvement. The reason I didn’t go for the 1250 was the colours .

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

yeah I do like the 2018 colour

[@John-td2rz]

Agree! The gold colored rims look awfull.

[@mbtfp]

Regarding to some comments down below: The GSA will be in showrooms at December with the 1250 engine and a slight facelift.

[@renatojlopes]

The previous GS Rallye version (2018) is in my opinion still the best looking GS across the whole model range.

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Yeah I would agree the 2018 model looks good. Tbh they both look good. I'd be happy with either

[@renatojlopes]

KaiserWheelHelm personal taste of course... The 2018 Rallye model is the only one that makes me turn my head... Almost invariably. That’s a good thing to say about a GS.

[@adamow86]

Totally agree. Rallye color scheme is the best since releasing this generation..

[@davidninnis5832]

Gotta agree with you on that one.

[@MrDantheman2111]

I’m so glad I bought the exact bike you’re talking about!!

[@aakez189]

Excellent picture and sound quality - well done!

[@mikedignum1868]

This from a person who has the 2014 RT and always swore off GS's..Test ride on the HP version last week and loved it, I have to agree with you across the board. very impressed with the protection the small screen gives you.Part exchange is in order for the Exclusive i think.

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Nice one Michael.. Exclusive is a good looking bike 👍

[@mikedignum1868]

I think for the price the should throw in the luggage. But im sure i can work something out at the dealership.@@KaiserWheelHelm

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

@@mikedignum1868 yeah I'm sure if you asked they would do a deal.. dealers don't have much room in the bike so they usually offer some sort of incentive with the accessories.

[@On2WheelswithDennis]

You just got yourself another subscriber 😉 good review👍 I’m waiting also for the new Gsa 1250 and if the price is not to ridiculous compared to the 18 version I’ll have it 😍 regards Dennis

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Thank you Sir 👍

[@markhornung1150]

Last time I left a comment I still had my 57 reg GSA. Now have my 18 reg GSA TE and loving it. Won’t get the 1250 - but I will consider a remap at Hilltop.. Great video :-)

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Thanks Mark.. tbh mate the there isn't much difference, you have all the good stuff already.

[@markhornung1150]

I think I do! Thanks for the video though. I am this close to becoming a subscriber!

[@ShineBright__]

Hi there ! The yellow duffle bag on the side boxes are 40 liters ?? and what brand are they ?? Thank you Sir ..... so i would like to use all 3 boxes for clothing and the top boxes for camping gears 😎😁 camping gears a

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Tony I can't really remember, I think they are 60 litres, made by LOMO. Yeah I do the same all my camping gear in the bags. I'll look up the sizes and get back to you.

[@ShineBright__]

Thank you ! I m always worried how much weight they can hold

[@TheDervMan]

Good stuff Kaiser. I’m assuming the adventure will be out before the Xmas festivities begin? I do like that feature of limiting the engine revs when cold, that’s going to make a real difference to longevity for anyone who screws the motor from cold. 👍🏻

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Not sure it will, the red banding is just a suggestion, it doesn't actually limit you as far as I know.

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

I bought my 2013 F800GS from there.. Was a great bike.

[@davidbaines7014]

Hi. Kaiser . Great review my friend. I've been looking at ktm. But I'm steered towards bmw gs every time . You have now convinced me which is the best all round motorcycle. Thank you

[@StuHNomadBiker]

Good little review that .. I'm the same ref the RT ... I don't want an RT!!! They feel different to a gs, you aren't sat as high so don't have that commanding position. That white version looks really nice 👌🏼. I'll hang on for the adventure as I like my big range ..

[@Bazza47]

Thanks for doing the comparison, for me having a MY2018 GS cost wise it's not worth the update just for the engine alone for the sake of 3 seconds difference so I'll stick with what I've got. My previous GS was Hilltopped which smoothed the throttle response out and gave that bike loads more go and all for a few hundred pounds. Ultimately it might not be as quick and smooth as the 1250 but could well be a good compromise.

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Agree Hilltop do a great job. I think quite a few people will do exactly the same.

[@CPUspeed]

Smart comparison! Same bike but different engines.

[@martynleyfield2941]

What is your thoughts on the wind protection from GSA to GS great video thanks and for the record I'm on an RT & being pulled in the direction of GS or GSA have now ridden both and still can't make my mind up..!!!🙈

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Crikey tough choice..🤔 depends on how you ride really, the GS is definitely more sporty and feels more agile the Adventure you do feel that extra weight but personally I love muscling it around. As for weather/wind protection neither is as good as the RT to be truthful but I sacrifice that for the pure flexibility of a GS. Good luck making you mind up 👍

[@ScragNath]

Engine bars are a must. Dropped my 2018 Triple Black TE adventure in Scotland last week The bars saved me.

[@John-td2rz]

But what i don't understand is this. You pay some serious money for crash bars, which are actually a one time use ooption (like a airbag). So if you crash your bike, your crash bars must be renewed too. If you don't have crash bars mounted, you damage the cilinder head. What's the price of a new cilinder head?

[@ScragNath]

@@John-td2rz if you read my post it says that I DROPPED my bike, ie. It fell over. The bars prevented damage to my engine and bodywork. The GSA triple black comes with the scaffolding as standard.

[@paulskyis50]

Nice review Mr Kaiser love the Rallye colour but like you I can wait for the GSA arrival 😁😁😁

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Cheers Paul hopefully not too long 🤞

[@HJM1974]

Good looking bike Kaiser :)

[@mobilecctvltd.7732]

Watch the shootout on your phone and pause it as you’re accelerating and see the two differences, in some parts there is about 10mph difference at the same time if they were ridden almost identical. I pick up my 1250 next week!

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Nice you are going to love it. Another point that I found interesting after watching the video back, is the deceleration.. after they reach 100 watch how quickly the old motor slows down. it accelerates better and decelerates smoother. no more pillion head butts to the back of the head

[@mobilecctvltd.7732]

Haha! Excellent, I took my 6ft 4” son out on my GSA 1200 at the weekend and he head butted me at least twice. It’s the first time he’d been on it without a top box because that with the panniers are being recoded for the new bike. His sitting position was different without the box!

[@colinvincent6599]

Be interested to see how much it costs to upgrade when u do it.

[@chrislecouteur2360]

Great video, i has a GSA 1250 rally te coming but ordered black wheels as gold look chavvy and look bad once dirty also looks like Africa twin lol 18 days to go and counting lol

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Great bike you're going to love it 👍

[@Gazza3501]

Nice comparison at the end. Watching the rev counters it would appear that the new bike accelerates quicker not just because of the engine but also the Gear Shift Pro (I'm guessing).

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

No all in top gear so didn't use the gear shift pro.. just wanted to see how much difference the new shift cam engine made in torque

[@Gazza3501]

KaiserWheelHelm oh yes, of course it was (doh!) I was just watching the rev counter on the right and it appeared to pause momentarily a couple of times.

[@andrewtofts7884]

Thank you, really enjoyed the video. I’m hoping that BMW are exhibiting the new GSA at M/Cycle Live when I go on the 21st; currently have a 2017 GSA, which I am not going to upgrade. However, if I was in your position, it would be a consideration; I had a 2014 GS previously and the difference between that and my current bike is apparent, particularly in the smoothness of the gearbox. Maybe in five year’s time😃

[@davidninnis5832]

I traded my 2018 GSA for the 1250 GS HP, a lot more nimble and quicker than the Adventure for me. This bike is SUPER-SMOOTH and I love riding it. Unfortunately I took such a hit on my last GSA (put 16,000 miles on it in 4 months) that I've decided to lay her up for this winter and ride me old V-strom 1000. CAN'T WAIT TILL I CAN GET ON FUZZ (the 1250) again :) :) :)

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Nice one David it's a cracking bike enjoy.. 😀

[@corvandewege9751]

Is there much difference in wind noise or turbulence between the GS and the GSA? The GSA has a larger screen. I am about to exchange my '10 GSA for the '19 GS.

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

I noticed none or very little difference from the screen.. but I did notice how much difference having a smaller fuel tank made around the legs. Enjoy the new bike, it's so good 😀

[@matthausmann]

Those gold wheels. 😍 yes, I’m a tart.

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

LOL.. gotta love those wheels 😍

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

You're in luck we all love tarts, especially the jam filled ones! Gorgeous colour scheme indeed Sir!

[@mrsuperduke6684]

Hi there..... watched your videos of ktm sdr and sas. You were on the verge of buying one of them by the sounds of it....... is this better??? Is the bm as "fun" as the ktm sas. You loved the ktms grunt and its ease for overtaking. Whats your favourite??? Cheers.

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Thats sir is my biggest dilemma.. I love them all. in a perfect world (for me) I'd have the 1250GSA and the 1290SDR. Unfortunately I have to choose one. The reasons (again for me) I'm going for the GSA over the SAS is shaft drive, the pillion comfort (the wife prefers the B'mer) I already have all the boxes, lights, heated grips, quick shifter, once you spec up the KTM to match a standard BMW your pretty much at the same cost, the sat nav integration is second to none. BMW assistance is excellent (again no other manufacturers has that) I love the SAS, love that engine so so much but as a whole package for everything "I need" from a bike the BMW just has it. Your right the KTM is more fun but I've been there and done that, got the t-shirts and the trophies.. I love going out on these bikes to remind me why we all love performance but I need a bike that I can do it all on everyday and keep my licence, I wish I could put a SDR in the garage for my own pleasure because that has to be as near a perfect roadbike I've ever riden, but until that day I have to go for the one that does everything. 😉 btw I did a 790 duke video back in the summer.. sensible mental I called it, it's a compromise but that might be an option 🤔

[@mrsuperduke6684]

@@KaiserWheelHelm damn..... hoping youd go for ktm sas!!! Remember the throttle goes both ways so you dont have to loon about all the time!!!.... i get your point on specing up ktm to get where you are with bm.... its a no brainer really for you sir. Btw i have the 1290 sdr and its the bollocks!!!! You also have 1 more subscriber...... brilliant videos and your views on bikes are spot on. Cheers👍👍👍👍👍😆😆

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

@@mrsuperduke6684 haha.. I'm sure you're well aware how addictive that throttle is. People like us can't help ourselves 😉 Thanks for the sub man, it's really appreciated.. 😀

[@mrsuperduke6684]

@@KaiserWheelHelm yeah i just loon about all the time and piss off all the box drivers!!!..... but the sdr can be civilised when it needs to be!!!! Keep up the good work sir. Cheers.

[@peterruff9845]

Brilliant review

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Thank you Peter.. Brilliant comment ;0)

[@ssing7113]

These are the best bikes. Ended up using my GSA over my rnineT

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Two great bikes you have in the garage there.. I'd be the same but it's definitely a nice dilemma to have ✊😀

[@IanTed]

GSA in showrooms next Spring....I’d trade in my 2015 Triple Black for the Exclusive with spoked wheels, never felt the need for a bigger tank, just adds weight.

[@belgianbiker7988]

Chukky aka Ian Maybe the exlusive with the gold spoke wheels off the Hp version 😳

[@epicmoments1027]

Iv just got mine on order the latest 1200gsa with tft still £15000 with boxes

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Wow that's an excellent price and with boxes.. you've got to be really happy with that

[@epicmoments1027]

@@KaiserWheelHelm yep looking forward to it now first bmw

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Epic Moments welcome to the club.. I don't have any affiliation to these people (because I'm a nobody) but if you are looking for accessories and live in the U.K. Nippy Normans do just about everything for the bike,.. have fun mate they are a great machine.

[@epicmoments1027]

@@KaiserWheelHelm nice one just been on there website cool I all so am going to make my own parts once I get the bike i hope its going to be tomorrow

[@tonyemans4512]

When you tested the KTM you sounded tempted to buy, which would you have now ?

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

That my friend I still can't decide.. when I see the GSA I'll make my mind up.

[@tonyemans4512]

Is a gsa not just a Gs with a big fuel tank and a few trinkets ?

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

@@tonyemans4512 pretty much

[@Chris-vq5vr]

Greets from Australia 🇦🇺. Great review mate. Should I trade in my S1000XR for this new GS 1250? That’s the question. I’m shipping my bike from Sydney to London next yr for a 5 month Euro trip. Trade or no trade??? Help!!! Cheers mate

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Wow man that's a tough one to answer.. personally I prefer the GS but I know loads of people that love the XR. I just find the GS is a more flexible bike (for what I need a bike for) The XR is fun, but I found it just wants fun all the time and in the end I found myself having too much of that fun (If you catch my drift). Everyone is different though mate. Get out and try it, but don't expect razer handling and definitely don't expect the engine to feel anything alike. Go with an open mind and see how you feel. Have fun in Europe.. Austria and Switzerland have amazing roads but I'm sure you'll have a great time wherever you go.

[@Chris-vq5vr]

KaiserWheelHelm cheers for that. Spot on. Norway is first stop

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

@@Chris-vq5vr Norway is beautiful you will have an amazing time.. be prepared for the most expensive pint of beer you've ever bought though 😂

[@Chris-vq5vr]

So I’ve heard! Bugger! Well I’ve enjoyed all your vlogs. Top notch. You’re so correct about the XR. I’m on edge every time I ride it. The suspension is hard and it’s not really a touring bike as such. This new 1250GS looks more plush for riding longer distances.

[@infantlightgaming4475]

Is it easy to flat foot for someone is 6ft

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Yes, you should have no problem at all

[@colinbell6461]

pillion gets on, the bike weighs it. ( yes that's a big lass) and adjusts the suspension

[@brucekendall52]

Great bike.

[@TheStrummer68]

Ooh what a coincidence i just ordered one of them from dick Lovetts, roll on December delivery

[@simoesc]

Lets hope they dont let us wait to long for the GSA

[@jasong4388]

Took the 1250 last week. Great bike, its took the GS & polished & refined it. The gear box is the biggest improvement. But, this is the real question??? Is it worth the £18700 (engine bars, Auxillary lights, sat nav prep) to swap from a 2016 triple black. BMW offered 10k against a new 1250, so thats £8700 to swap. As much as it is a great bike, its not worth upgrading for that kind of money. So anyone with a 2/3 yr old GS I would say dont bother. Great review fella.

[@thewoodster8607]

I agree. It's not a big enough step change.

[@gimmecom]

Ahhh so much weight. Trying to be an RT and and Africa Twin. Try an oilhead RT to save 50 pounds and enough dough for an Africa Twin DCT. Now that is a quick shifter.

[@BulldogGaz]

But it's still just a GS 😂😂 common as muck < just envious ! Nice one bud

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Lol 😂 there are two of what you ride at my work and exactly the same colour 🤔😂

[@BulldogGaz]

@@KaiserWheelHelm Hardly see any versys here well not from my version anyway 😊

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

@@BulldogGaz There are different versions 🤣 blimey shows what I know. 🙈😂

[@BulldogGaz]

@@KaiserWheelHelm Yes they change the front after the 2014 model for two eyes instead of one 😉😊

[@sunnyothman9951]

GS'es is my choice too 👍👍👍. 😁

[@dan10sun]

Audio must be mute in the US...maybe some sort of soundtrack licensing...

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

That's interesting Dan.. you are the first to mention this, there is no "music" soundtrack in the video only voice so I don't understand why it would be muted. Thanks for mentioning it though.

[@morningdew9450]

In meiner Weltanschauung haben Menschen welche die Höchstgeschwindigkeit auf einer GS suchen, auf einer GS nichts verloren.

[@onahi2002]

You've been sucked in and blinded by the BMW marketing hype. The engine upgrades are for EU5 Emissions regulations. The fact it produces mildly higher and unnoticeable power & torque is a bonus.

[@John-td2rz]

Spot on!!!! The rest is marketink talk. It's just the same bike as my 2018 1200 bike, nothing else....

[@kowalski2334]

yeah in the comparison video where he accelerates its really unnoticable....NOT

[@onahi2002]

@@kowalski2334 speed ? If more speed is what is required. Buy a sports bike ?

[@kowalski2334]

@@onahi2002 don't put words in my mouth I never said, you said the power is unnoticeable and I said that this is not true.

[@onahi2002]

@@kowalski2334 negligible. My point is that with the marginable increase, which IMHO is hardly noticeable, the speed is irrelevant on a big all terrain adventure touring machine. If speed is important to you, and you own a GSA1250, maybe you have the wrong bike ?

[@Swedeonamotorcycle]

BMW is an amazing bike no doubt about that, and probably one on the most fun adventurebikes out there................... Until you ride a KTM 1290 Super adventure.. :)

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Yep I've riden it and I love it.. I'm getting it from all sides about the SAS

[@Swedeonamotorcycle]

@@KaiserWheelHelm Ye thats right, i just remembered i saw your video testing that a couple of days ago... :) You had a pretty good time on it as far as i remember,, And yes the SEAT is bad and needs to be changed and also the wind screen i think.. Quick shifter is wonderful on it too but to bad you have to pay extra for it...

[@John-td2rz]

Yes, but all KTM's look horrible in my opinion. The front with the most ugly head lights, bah

[@Swedeonamotorcycle]

@@John-td2rz KTM Ugly and BMW good Looking? Have i entered the TWILIGHT ZONE......?

[@marksimpson5218]

volvomannen79 until you have to clean, oil, and adjust the chain no thanks.

[@patrickhd34]

Ok, so when is the GSA due out, anyone know? I notice the difference between the old and the new motor. New motor feels like the best of both worlds - very smooth throughout rev range, more pull from very low revs and seems to rev more when crack the throttle open. Two risk factors though.....wallet and driving licence.

[@IanTed]

Mr Hmm in the showrooms next Spring...

[@patrickhd34]

@@IanTed - That's ok, but would be nice to see some details and pictures from BMW this side of Christmas....just so I know how little to spend on Christmas presents for my kids :-)

[@benkeii1st]

Pfft... Not gonna mention KTM then... 😤

[@KaiserWheelHelm]

Haha I dare not.. had to be on my best behaviour with this one. Bit of a BMW video I'm afraid 😉

[@benkeii1st]

@@KaiserWheelHelm what I mean is the "Don't tell me what to ride" part 😝