BMW S1000R First ride // Better than Yamaha MT10? 4K

[@chriswhitehead1173]

Came from a gen 1 mt10sp. Which was decatted and mapped. Bought the s1000r in July. The thing that got me initially was the lack of low down power on the BMW. But since mapping it and removing the torque restrictions its a new beast ! Absolutely love it. Mpg way better than the 10 , tire wear getting double the milage of the 10 and suspension much better on my bumpy roads.

[@DSR1YT]

Funny how changing a few bits and doing a remap can make such a difference to a bike. Glad you’re enjoying your new ride mate. Ride safe

[@chriswhitehead1173]

@DSR1YT the re map made a huge difference. Took away the lean fueling down low, which was giving that hunting/surging when riding slow through towns. Way more power low down and at midrange,giving wheelies whenever wanted and sone not😂 .Got rid of that annoying high rev start up, increased max rpm, gear shift although already good smoother again and rad cooling fans kick in earlier. Well worth doing if anyone has one of these.

[@Banditmanuk]

Is it the accessories that make a bike special or the engine? Personally, as a 10 owner, it has to be the crossplane engine. It's interesting that you being a generation younger than myself, what you find important on a motorcycle. Beemer is a lovely machine, no doubt about it. Back in 2016, when bike world did a comparison test with the S1000R, MT10, Speed Triple and Super Duke, the MT10 stopped quickest. Problem is feel. Folks like two finger braking and the 10 especially on stock pads, needs more lever pull. (I accept things have probably moved on since then)

[@DSR1YT]

The MT10 breaks have always been below par, its something that has needed to be changed straight away for most people, I don’t want to be grabbing a fist full of brakes for them to work, its a cheapo enough fix but it would have been better if Yamaha had done it from factory. The crossplane engine make the 10 special because it doesn’t have much else going for it in the other departments.

[@TheSek-]

Got a 2021 red s1000r. Tested the MT10 too. SP version. Sad to say... but the MT10 it's better.

[@DSR1YT]

Each to their own, how would you compare stock MT10 to the s1000r though ?

[@drmikegallant]

Man you do great reviews but you need to look at gear ratios. The BMW S1000R has a slightly lower final drive ratio (2.647) compared to the Yamaha MT-10 (2.813). This means the MT-10 will have slightly lower gearing, offering more acceleration at the expense of top speed compared to the S1000R. TLDR: You can put a bigger rear sprocket on the BMW and have the same acceleration. The BMW actually has MORE TORQUE than the Yamaha. It's not the engine in the MT10 that your butt-dyno felt, it was the final drive. Peak torque S1000R: 84 lb-ft at 9,250 rpm Peak torque MT-10: 82 lb-ft at 9,000 rpm Addition/correction: the final drive must be combined with whichever gear is selected to find the exact wheel torque. Here are some more specific comparisons between the two bikes. Higher numbers = faster acceleration, lower top speed in each gear: BMW S1000R Combined Gear Ratios: 1st Gear: 2.647 * 2.647 = 7.010 2nd Gear: 2.091 * 2.647 = 5.533 3rd Gear: 1.727 * 2.647 = 4.573 4th Gear: 1.500 * 2.647 = 3.970 5th Gear: 1.360 * 2.647 = 3.597 6th Gear: 1.261 * 2.647 = 3.336 Yamaha MT-10 Combined Gear Ratios: 1st Gear: 2.666 * 2.813 = 7.501 2nd Gear: 2.000 * 2.813 = 5.626 3rd Gear: 1.619 * 2.813 = 4.553 4th Gear: 1.381 * 2.813 = 3.885 5th Gear: 1.190 * 2.813 = 3.349 6th Gear: 1.037 * 2.813 = 2.918 Comparison: 1st Gear: S1000R (7.010) vs. MT-10 (7.501) - MT-10 is lower geared. 2nd Gear: S1000R (5.533) vs. MT-10 (5.626) - MT-10 is slightly lower geared. 3rd Gear: S1000R (4.573) vs. MT-10 (4.553) - Very similar gearing. 4th Gear: S1000R (3.970) vs. MT-10 (3.885) - S1000R is slightly higher geared. 5th Gear: S1000R (3.597) vs. MT-10 (3.349) - S1000R is higher geared. 6th Gear: S1000R (3.336) vs. MT-10 (2.918) - S1000R is higher geared.

[@malcolmpritchard4882]

Great review Matt I’ve been looking at both bikes 👍👍👍

[@DSR1YT]

Thanks Malcom. What have you decided ?

[@stumo114]

I have an MT09, mapped, exhaust etc and lower gearing (-1front, +1rear), mine felt torquier and quicker (and more fun) than a 71 plate S1000R except when the S1R was past 6000revs.... having another test ride in a couple of days. I can't get over how slow the BMW felt (under 6k)

[@MotoGraham]

That ride along the Wye around Tintern is one of my local favourites :D

[@DSR1YT]

Certainly a lovely section of roads up there.

[@Yii00T]

Love my Gen1 Sport has plenty spec and Woolich Tuned and full titanium Arrow Competition Evo exhaust as well. Amazing bikes and the exhaust change is mega. 169.3whp on mine. The new M1000R looks unreal.

[@DSR1YT]

Lovely smooth engine and just rides easy on the throttle, also i loved the sound even on its stock exhaust.

[@Yii00T]

@D.S.R. yeah add all the goodies unrestrict it and enjoy it even more lol. The throttle valves are restricted majorly. When you think your giving it 100% your really under 50%.

[@DukeFerg]

Awesome review thanks, going to purchase this bike next weekend and have never ridden it, im excited for sure! I know I will love it, just hope it is reliable unlike my KTM was.

[@DSR1YT]

Thanks for the comment - much appreciated! Ha ha you’re preaching to the choir about KTM reliability. Not sure if you have seen my GT series but that bike is going back! The S1000R is an excellent bike. Ride safe 🤙

[@jonkelly1920]

Bought the sport in silver also added bmw the carbon pack plus mild billet pack.She’s a ripper 🥳

[@DSR1YT]

Only wish the roads were dry so I could have properly tested the bike. Im looking forward to taking out the RR when its dry. Ride Safe.

[@jonkelly1920]

Here in Melbourne Australian roads are warm and dry. When out on the twisty’s it’s as if the r is on a rail in the corners! Love your content mate👍

[@didaddy]

Excellent review. Did you get a S1000R in the end? I have a MT09 SP and want to change to a MT10 or S1000R.

[@DSR1YT]

Hay mate. Sadly no s1000r in the garage. If I was upgrading from the 09. I’d probably mix it up and go bmw this time round. The mt10 is a great bike. But the bmw just puts smiles on your face every time. 🤙

[@didaddy]

@@DSR1YT Cheers

[@lestersmyth692]

Thanks for an excellent review Matt keep them coming 👍 mustn’t forget Yamaha offer an SP version too.

[@DSR1YT]

Thanks les. Glad you enjoyed the content. The SP is always a solid option but still the added tech it provides isn’t much for the price. Can’t wait to see a properly redesigned MT10. Sadly I don’t think it will be for a few more years.

[@robertmiazek2926]

Hi, thanks for great review! What’s the phone mount you’re using on this video please?

[@DSR1YT]

Thanks Robert. I couldn’t tell you the exact make, just some universal mount off of Amazon. Haven’t got it anymore to check either. 🤙

[@adrianaldueza]

The day is beautiful indeed, but that bike is way more!

[@DSR1YT]

Summer needs to hurry up in the UK. Fed up of riding in 5 degree weather 😁

[@TheOriginalCoda]

I'm considering either a new MT10-SP or an S1000R with some options, so thanks for the video, it's quite useful.

[@DSR1YT]

Glad the video was useful. It’s not the SP version but I have done a review of the standard mt10 a few months back if you wanted to check that out.

[@TheOriginalCoda]

@@DSR1YT That's next on the list to watch, cheers from Gloucestershire.

[@Adam-nm8xv]

MT-10SP is better than S1000r for me BUT M1000R beats everything 😎

[@ivanjaksic9574]

​@@Adam-nm8xvM1000R is better than MT10SP

[@soulevolution2735]

Hi, great review of the S1000R. I'm looking forward to get my hands on this bike. However, i just wanna know. On BMW website, i saw the 3 colors that you mentioned; black, grey and white. However, how do i differentiate between the 2022 and 2023 model? From the side fairings perhaps or anything thats different? I just want to make sure that the dealer gets me the 2023 instead of 2022 model.

[@DSR1YT]

Hay there, glad you liked the video. I’m yet to ride the 23 s1000r so I couldn’t tell you, but as soon as they update the demo line up at my local BMW ill be sure to do another first ride and find out.

[@Lc_Sebastian]

I was wondering, why didnt you used the bikes screen for the GPS?

[@DSR1YT]

I use my phone a lot during a video, makes it easier having it on the handlebars rather than in my pocket all the time.

[@nac5000]

hello just went to my dealer to check an s1000r 2023 to replace an mt10 and it vibrates a lot the tank and handle bars. also idling was at 1200rpm oscillating to 1250 not sure if this is normal. my mt10 is smooth and is not new. expected more from bmw. is this normal?

[@DSR1YT]

I too owned the mt10 and loved that thing. Sadly I’ve found this and the m1000r vibrates as well. So I’m going to say yes. 🤙

[@Darkside_Motorsport]

At the M Package you will get all the upgrades and the 207BHP ENGINE FROM THE S1KRR YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THIS HUGE CHANGE

[@DSR1YT]

THIS ISNT AN M1000R REVIEW. Feel free to watch my actual M1000R review if you want.

[@Darkside_Motorsport]

@@DSR1YT yeah I know but you said there specifications so I commented on it Thanks for the reply and I’ll watch the M1KR review BTW just subscribed to the channel and I must say that I love your content and the way you present it.

[@DSR1YT]

@eliran3g appreciate the comment and the sub mate. Welcome. Plenty of reviews for you to catch up on 😁

[@UpsideDownFork]

The S1000R is the better all round package but the MT10 is still 95% there for most people. All bikes are so good that we're just splitting hairs!

[@DSR1YT]

Agreed mate. There’s splitting hairs, personal bias, and everything in between. If you never road the other you wouldn’t feel like you were missing out on anything.

[@stevekirk6399]

I priced up the M 1000R 2023 and it was £25,000 with the competition pack, that turns the bike black and carbon wheels. you can't get it black any other way.

[@DSR1YT]

Good looking bike 👍

[@stevekirk6399]

@@DSR1YT but I read the bike you were riding is the better bike to ride as the M version you'll be thrashing it to get the 2nd cam to kick in. the one your riding is best for the buck.

[@DSR1YT]

Makes sense, luckily my dealer is getting an M 1000 R demo bike in this year some time, so I'll be sure to be straight out on that for a first ride video.

[@user-hf8ie8mf3n]

The bmw dash is still done with common sense, unlike so many others. 👍🤪🇨🇦

[@DSR1YT]

You mean like the tracer 9 GT? With its split screen for no reason? 😁

[@user-hf8ie8mf3n]

@@DSR1YT I have a previous gen tracer. That new dash was silly. The European gt + gets a newer bigger dash this year….ya just need to spend more money. Yay 😀.

[@darksideredefined268]

@@user-hf8ie8mf3n Always need to spend more money with these companies nowadays, I think my Yamaha dealer is getting one of the GT + in on demo soon so ill be sure to get out on it as soon as it comes in.

[@dougiequick1]

You also failed to mention the MT10 has a power point right up on the bars no it is not USB but you simply plug in a $5 adaptor and you instantly have 2 USB ports on the dash area Also which bike would you rather own down the road with 30k out of warranty? Japanese? or German,....sorry a rhetorical DUHH question Plus MT owners have nt felt betrayed when entirely new generation comes out every couple years ....you just keep seeing your same bike in a different color each model year which is good for your resale I would think. Old gen Beemers get SERIOUSLY discounted!

[@DSR1YT]

This wasn’t an MT10 review so I didn’t go through all the bits it has to offer. You’re welcome to go and watch my MT10 review for all of that. Yamaha have barely changed the mt10 since it’s release and don’t seem to do much year on year. I’ll take a bike where the manufacturer is constantly trying to improve their bike over settling for what is working.

[@SamuelGould-go2qi]

Is this guy going 40KPH in 6th gear?

[@DSR1YT]

Not sure which bit you’re on about but it’s in MPH not KPH. 🤙

[@TheScortUK]

Forged wheels are a must - I have them on my 2019 (branded "HP" rather than "M" on the newer bike} and they make a 200kg bike flick around like a Street Triple RS! Re. the USB situation - a couple of quid cable off Amazon, routed along the bike (under the rider's seat, behind tank infills) and it's up to the handlebars - works a treat! Should do a Workshop video there, as the guys are massively under staffed - took 15 weeks to look at my bike, after advising it would be 8.

[@kugangles9860]

I thought the BMW forged wheels were just a scam but after my XR came with them it makes a massive difference with directional changes and it's easier to handle on the street. I'm sold on them.

[@DSR1YT]

Yeah there will always be ways of sorting out the manufactures quirks, instead of making me add the extra cables why not just place it upfront somewhere straight away.? I can’t speak for the workshop side yet as I haven’t used them. But the guys and gals out front are a great team.

[@TheScortUK]

@@DSR1YT I guess it might be due to the style of bike - the S1000R is a naked superbike, so the majority (I presume) of buyers wouldn't want the extra chonk on the dash/nose to house a USB... my old 765 RS bikes were the same - charge port under the rear seat. I expect it's less of an issue on the S1000RR where it can hide in the nose fairing, or in some of the other BMWs, where you'd expect it. On my S1000R, you can take the front-left panel off, and attach a USB port directly to the loom there, via a designated connector that is blanked off - though this worked, it didn't supply enough juice to charge a modern smartphone! Even now, on my bike, I have the Quadlock USB up front, hooked to the battery, and that cannot charge a Pixel 6 - but works fine with an old S9+

[@TheScortUK]

@@kugangles9860 tell me about it! I was lucky that with the bike I picked, the dealer didn't notice it had the wheels on it - as they could have easily added another £1,000 on top of the price I paid! I've seen them go for anywhere from 2.5k to 1.4k (the latter often being the offer with a bike) - the Wife tried getting me to sell them, to recoup some of the money I spent on the bike lol

[@DSR1YT]

Re-sell, haha, yes darling, I'll re sell, once I sell the bike. Enjoy those wheels whilst you can.

[@lucimoto2922]

Xr is the best and more beautiful

[@DSR1YT]

Each to their own though, if i wanted a bike to sit in my window and look at it would be a Ducati, doesn’t mean i would want one as an every day rider.

[@psvm0001]

For you it is

[@kevinmill7965]

How can u view bike at them speeds

[@DSR1YT]

Pardon?

[@TheScortUK]

@@DSR1YT maybe they think you're reviewing it, by standing at the side of the road, and watching a flyby 😀

[@DSR1YT]

Just whooshing my head back and forth past the bike :) ?

[@dougiequick1]

At least in the US there IS a higher spec version of MT10 being in fact the ONLY production in the entire world that comes with front and rear Ohlins SEMI ACTIVE suspension MT10SP IDK what else other than it's own colors sets it apart from standard

[@DSR1YT]

The UK and probably the rest of Europe get the SP version as well. But I wasn’t comparing the standard s1000r to the SP. I could compare the M1000R to the MT10SP and it would lose again.

[@stevecade857]

All motorcycles have keyless entry.

[@DSR1YT]

All motorcycles? Or do you mean all BMW motorcycles are keyless?

[@stevecade857]

@@DSR1YT I don't know of any motorcycle you can't 'enter' and need a key to do it. Starting the motorcycle is another matter though.

[@Cheffy_otto]

Goodlucky with better then mt 10 😂

[@DSR1YT]

For those that aren't after such a grunty, torquey engine then this is a great substitute without a doubt.

[@pcarts232]

You’re 💯 right, the engine is fantastic but it doesn’t launch you into oblivion from a standstill, it’s a bit like a scooter 😂 I know that sounds like a stupid comment but you know what I mean?

[@DSR1YT]

If you were to look at the power curve of this it would probably be a nice straight line at a perfect 45' angle. Smooth, not going to catch you out at the wrong moment and will scream when up in the rev range. That about right ? :)

[@pcarts232]

It’s a bit soulless but it’s a great bike but it’s a bit robotic

[@DSR1YT]

Definitely some bike with more character out there, that's for sure. But you need to look at this bike as a complete package rather than just a great engine on an ok platform, like some other bikes out there.

[@pcarts232]

Most ridiculous thing ever on a motorcycle “ the USB behind you under the seat ! So annoying

[@DSR1YT]

Thanks BMW for putting one in, but it's in the wrong place. I can attach an aftermarket one straight on to the battery and place it where I want, as I would have to trace a wire all the way from the back to the front anyways. frustrating., also not big enough for a phone anyway.