Zombicide 2nd Edition vs Zombicide: Black Plague - Play This, Not That

[@mitchstanek7809]

Had my first game of black plague last week (thanks to Alex's fervent recommendation of the series). It was a blast we thought we had lost at least 3 times then won in a literal blaze of dragon fire glory. Still not sure if we played everything right but had 30 zombies burn in one turn. Good times.

[@PerfectionHunter]

16:45 Woow... okay, now i understand why she doesn't like Black Plague as much. Real talk now dude, you really need to calm down with those extra monsters. Loosing sux. Play only the base game with her, win, and hear what she has to say after that.

[@BoardGameCo]

While I appreciate your feedback, she historically has had more fun with Zombicide when it's difficult.

[@Gathanokos]

Wow...the goodold days where I could never have imagined having more than one Zombicide... I'm guessing at this point there are people out there who collect NOT board games BUT Zombicides :D

[@FrozenFlesh]

Zombicide second edition has by far the most different Zombie Types, because all Zombies from first edition modern Zombicide can be used. So it has berserker zombies, toxic zombies, skinner zombies, zombie dogs, zombies crows, seeker zombies and vip zombies.

[@BoardGameCo]

Granted, if you're willing to combine old and new, for myself I prefer not to.

[@FrozenFlesh]

In the 2nd Edition KS, it was possible to get cards for all the characters from 1st edition, and an upgrade kit with spawn cards for all zombies from 1st edition. I don’t think they will rerelease them for 2nd edition. Just grab the upgrade kit and some of the 1st edition boxes if you want more variety.

[@Jak0vas]

@@BoardGameCo Not really much difference between merging Black Plague with Green Horde, bar the card pack needed. But more importantly, the availability of the types of Zombie highlighted by Frozen Flesh are pretty much unattainable.

[@BoardGameCo]

@@Jak0vas My issue isn't merging in and of itself, my issue is the large difference in quality of the sculpts.

[@Jak0vas]

@@BoardGameCo Good to know from a hobbyist's perspective, not sure I can tell the difference at 3 feet though especially unpainted. I picked up dog companions on eBay for black plague, the sculpts painted up nicely and I'll convert the bases to match up what I am doing for 2nd Edition I was wondering if there were some enemy types worth picking up in isolation from 1st edition.

[@morio9284]

Great comparisons and reviews. You both are funny, wholesome and entertaining! 😁👍❤️ Thanks for sharing your content. ☺️

[@BoardGameCo]

Thank you sir :)

[@johnstomp35]

Just want to say that I enjoy watching you! The natural conversation is pleasant yet informative. Keep at it :-)

[@docmatteson2010]

I recently found your channel. Your videos and the commentary are great! Thank you!

[@timkarrell7109]

Did you get the upgrade kit for 2e? Add some toxic and berserker zombies and all your issues are solved.

[@stevedeis2369]

You guys are so great together! What a wonderful pair!

[@BoardGameCo]

Thanks :)

[@guinealover121]

Thanks, we are good friends

[@stevedeis2369]

@@guinealover121 It shows.

[@AdamWhitehead111]

Can't have cars in a medieval setting? Have you not seen (Sam Raimi's) Army of Darkness?

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

I have the modern zombicide (first edition) and my friend has the medieval one. Both have Troy, a character based on Ash. We have made a custom 2 missions campaing where we start at the modern zombicide in the first one and then we go to the medieval in the second (with Evil Troy as a necromancer) hahaha

[@AdamWhitehead111]

@@OrdemDoGraveto Groovy

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

@@AdamWhitehead111 We do a LOT of custom missions. We find the rulebook missions to be quite boring and repetitive. There's not much in termos of variation and interesting mechanics for each mission, or much of a story reasoning behind then.

[@82ndmi]

all of them are practically the same. it's nuanced but Zombicide 2nd edition with the kickstarter card pack allows you to pull in : vip, skinner, toxic, berzerker, dogz, crowz, and civilian escorts. alongside kids/adults/zombivore hero types and the two Teenage Mutant Nija Turtle hero packs. zombicide 2nd: 25 missions in the core, 2 campaigns with 10 missions vs BP: 10 missions in base, 10 per expansion no campaigns. 2nd edition lets you open doors without rolling dice, but requires a door opening weapon in hand. this is a hugggggge improvement to game flow (undead and alive removes doors) 2nd edition day/night mechanics are huge new improvements that can be added into any game. 2nd edition: only spawning rooms in dark spots is huge in reducing set up time vs spawning in every spot in a room in BP (this get's even less in undead in alive by creating room spawn points). 2nd edition: getting a hit penalty in the dark is a lot of fun and a carry over from darkside, its optional, but it's a must play and makes melee weapons more unique as they don't suffer darkness penalties. Bp: it has a catapult and a trebuchet ZC: it has a tank So overall 100% would recommend zombicide 2nd edition as a kickstarter with the conversion cards over a black plague kickstarter set just for variability, and if you were just going to grab one core and one expansion, zombicide 2nd edition with the Washington z.c. campaign is a nuts amount of content and is starting to make zombicide an actual game and less of a party style dice rolly activity with no interesting meat on it.

[@BoardGameCo]

Agreed on the variety if you're willing to combine the old stuff. But for me the difficulty and lack of variety otherwise are deal breakers as far as which one wins overall.

[@falciferlmf148]

Grey... so much grey... soul crushing grey

[@BoardGameCo]

Oh you should not see the rest of my basement.

[@falciferlmf148]

@@BoardGameCo its probably what I imagine limbo to be like... and endless sea of grey devoid of life/color

[@donwalters4506]

An easy way to vary the game and make it more difficult is to randomly pick a few daily rule sets and assign them to specific poses. Print out your own cards with the rules. Lay the cards you selected out and put a zombie on the card as a reminder which pose uses this rule. (Much easier if you paint your minis or at a minimum the base sides to differentiate them easier.) If you sleeve the cards you can always add Deadeye and wolves in.

[@joshmcilroy603]

I'd love to see a video of your top 10 kickstarters you've backed! Can be ones you've received or one you believe will be on it one you get it

[@BoardGameCo]

Absolutely :) I do those from time to time, I'll have to do another one.

[@shinyracoon9607]

Just what I needed to start my day! Thx Alex!

[@BoardGameCo]

Enjoy :)

[@edwardleronculbreath732]

We love Black Plague and I have 2Ed waiting for us to start it, but was also considering picking up more ZBP content. This video is right on time

[@HeroOfTheWeb]

I passed on 2nd edition mostly because I have all the zombicide kickstarters for fantasy and it’s sooo much stuff.

[@Jak0vas]

I had to claw bits off Ebay for Black Plague, but managed to get in on Green Horde, personally I think the best additions have been No Rest for the Wicked (Ghosts) Exploding Zombies and a few variants of Abomination from the KS addons. Not to mention Wulfsburg and Friends & Foes for additional missions.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

I would say it's only worth it if you really prefer the modern theme for zombies (as I do), or if you REALLY love zombicide and want to play the campaigns. Other wise, it's only slighly better then medieval at best.

[@nerzeus]

If you got the upgrade for Z2 you can bring in berserker, toxic, seeker, and skinner zombies along with zombie dogs and companions from the Z1 editions.

[@BoardGameCo]

Good point, sadly I hate the idea of combining older models with the new stuff....I'd do if I need to....but I have Black Plague, so I'm not interested in going that route.

[@Jwlahn]

It also is really hard to find any of the older content for anything resembling a reasonable price. It's all out of print and sells for way more than I can justify spending on just the minis to go with the upgrade cards.

[@chrisnelson2948]

For me if you are only buying a base box get which ever theme you like. When you factor in expansions then Black Plague by far. The catch is the price you're going to have to pay to get all of that extra content.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

You can incorporate all the expansions from the first edition of the modern zombicide into the second edtion...

[@BoardGameTime40]

Zombicide was my entry to hobbyist games! I’ll always have a soft spot for it. Thanks for the content! :D

[@BoardGameCo]

I actually avoided it for a really long time...but now I'm hooked.

[@BoardGames3000]

Me too

[@nikkis.2066]

My first ever Boardgame I got into from Kickstarter was Zpocalypse and I had seen & heard about Zombicide when I was looking for other games to get into and told myself "I don't need another Zombie boardgame". Aaand fast-forward and Zombicide has become one of my favorites and easily surpassed Zpocalypse pretty much instantly with Invaders & 2nd Edition. Funny how the world works. Could been if I got into Season 1-3 Zombicide instead, I may have not liked it or looked into CMONs future products.

[@SteveOw0]

I'm trying to get all the parts of Black Plague, but it's not easy to find all these older components.

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep, expensive to track them all down.

[@chrisnelson2948]

I collected everything for medieval last year. The only real hard thing to find were the B-Siege crossovers and some of the guest artist packs which I had to order from Spain to get. However, even though you can find most everything it’s going to cost a fortune to get it all.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

About the zombie variety, you can go after the boxes from the first edition and use those zombies in the second (they released cards to utilize then in the new edition). There are berserker zombies in Prison outbreak. Toxic zombies in Toxic mall. Skinner zombies in Rue Morgue. Seeker zombies in Angry Neighbours. And a box for zombie dogs and zombie crows. Also, the berserker and toxic have isolated boxes with just then if you don't want to buy an entire game box just for then, althou I'd say the boxes are worth it, specially if you like to create custom missions like I do hehe 3 sugestions I'd implement to make the game harder (besides removing the hability to keep weapons between missions as you already did that): 1 - Make spawns on ALL building rooms, not only the dark ones. 2 - Survirvors can't search in dark zones. 3 - Don't put the pimp weapons crates in every building. Choose ONE or TWO to put then in. PS: I'm really excited to play the campaing! I can't wait for my copy to arrive!

[@raptorrancher]

Love to hear about CDMD Season 2 I see sitting there behind you...

[@BoardGameCo]

Oh CDMD is awesome, one of my favorite games.

[@Janisurai]

Since adding zombie wolves and archers my gaming group is struggling with black plague for sure, but we can still win if we're on point for every turn!

[@daniellopez189]

I like that zombiecied 2nd Edition has the plastic tray for your character and equipment cards

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep that's nice

[@maxdisciple1]

If you did not have black plague expansions or Kickstarter exclusives which base game did you guys like better?

[@BoardGameCo]

Base game alone....likely still black plague due to being more difficult.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

@@BoardGameCo I always considered black plague way easier then the modern zombicide because of the armors. I haven't played the second edition of the modern one yet, but I'm sad to hear it's easier =/

[@TheAssassin7]

As a father of three girls, I enjoy these videos most! My oldest is slowly falling in love with the hobby, right now her favorite game is Hot Zone.

[@BoardGameCo]

Nice! I need to play that one.

[@Buako111]

This is exactly the video I needed since i was thinking if I should invest in new edition or start with Black Plague. Thank you very much!

[@BoardGameCo]

For me Black Plague is still king.

[@Buako111]

@@BoardGameCo should I wait for Black Plague second edition then?

[@korr4000]

It could be years before a next or new black plague/fantasy zombicide. I would get it now if it's the right theme and mechanics for you.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

I would say that the most relevant factor to decide upon the 2 is wich theme you like the most for zombies. As gameplay wise both have slight advantages or disvantages upon the other, but nothing big enough to say that one is clearly better then the other.

[@jecabreradc]

If I was going to get ONE zombicide, no extra content, which one would you recommend?

[@BoardGameCo]

Undead or Alive

[@jecabreradc]

@@BoardGameCo thank you.

[@brandonhouston7575]

Alright I'm at 1:07 and I'm going to make a prediction that Alex let's his love of the theme for black plague win out over everything else. I'm hoping to hear about game changes and which system is better etc also so let us see... hopefully Shira can keep this thing on the rails.

[@brandonhouston7575]

Haha 4:42 Cost doesn't matter if you have Alex as a friend. Alex can we be friends? :)

[@brandonhouston7575]

7:00 instead of CMON making something to say the differences in editions how about something that can pull older editions (like black plague) forward to the new rules?

[@brandonhouston7575]

11:30 Have you watched Bruce Campbell vs Army of Darkness? You can have cars in medieval times...

[@brandonhouston7575]

Okay so I have watched several videos where Alex has said that he's keeping Black Plague and will probably get rid of Invader and Second Edition. Coming into this video with that knowledge I'll admit I was pleasantly surprised by how neutral the discussion remained.

[@BoardGameCo]

Good call :) Theme is definitely a draw but it's more about the difficulty and zombie variety.

[@ScytheNoire]

Modern day (twice), Medieval Fantasy, Space, Old West, Night of the Living Dead... So what's next? Here's some ideas, and one of these would make ridiculous amounts of money: Zombicide: World War 2 Zombicide: Cthulhu Zombicide: Cyberpunk Zombicide: Dinosaurs Zombicide: Feudal Japan Zombicide: Pirates Zombicide: Marvel Zombies (Cha-ching! Printing money)

[@chrisnelson2948]

They probably consider Cthulhu covered with Death May Die. I was hoping for a WW2 version myself until you brought up Marvel Zombies.

[@alexpartenopei1021]

WW1 or 2 would be great, as would Feudal Japan - hopping zombies!

[@nikkis.2066]

Dinosaurs with a Mad Science Jurassic Park angle is what I'd love next

[@Jak0vas]

@@chrisnelson2948 Yep this would be gold and licenced crossover to bring into Moderncide would be impressive, I am pretty sure I am not going to back another Zombicide but this could be a game changer, Ideally something that compliments what I'll choose to keep.

[@nathangerardy2669]

@@Jak0vas Feudal Japan with zombies and demons leading everything. I'd be all over that.

[@dyingbreed1951]

Your accurate as far as price wise on the original pledge comparisons, however, for someone that missed both campaigns. Trying to get the complete Black Plague ends up being way way more expensive due to how long it has been out and generally more liked. I find second edition easier to find since it is more recent and people are just getting their pledges, therefore more people willing to part with their copies. Overall, price wise, if I wanted the complete Black Plague, I would pay a hefty price trying to piecemeal all of the kickstarter extras that were involved. Also, if we are just talking base retail boxes... that isn't really Zombicide. The KS extras are where it's at.

[@FlashFX222]

I combine black plague, and green horde regularly and its a blast. It's literally the only game my wife loooooves so i own every expansion for both games

[@TheZappaZ]

Thanks for the video, great stuff! I'm surprised you compared 2nd Edition against Black Plague WITH ALL EXPANSIONS only. Kind of unfair? Would have been interesting to hear base game vs base game.

[@BoardGameCo]

To be fair, I was comparing all second edition versus all black plague. It wasn't base game versus all black plague.

[@TheZappaZ]

@@BoardGameCo Fair enough, I didn't know there more than like 1 expansion out at the time this video was made. My bad.

[@lucasresende1929]

Can u make a video about teburu? It's been 2 years since they talked about it

[@BoardGameCo]

Not much to say right now :)

[@vojkobaumanspoon]

If and when I buy my first Zombicide game, it will be Black Plague because of the theme :)

[@BoardGameCo]

A solid choice :)

[@Twineandribbon]

They pick solid themes all around.

[@xGarrettThiefx]

I'd like to see a medieval Japan one tbh.

[@StorminWolf]

Zombicide Black Plague is also cross compatible with Massive Darkness 1 + 2 (and vice versa) So 4 full kickstarters plus extras

[@JoseMedia2421]

They said Massive Darkness 2 was built as campaign first then developed the 1 off scenerios. Its a ton of plastic coming and I wanna keep!

[@BoardGameCo]

I'm still hopeful that it'll be awesome... But playing this unbalanced campaign certainly has me wondering.

[@shoggg]

I have everything from zc besides Green horde. Skipped it because of the lame Trebuchet thing.. I am sooo in love with the new campaign modes in zc2, adding soo much more depth with the all-out plus the campaign progress. The thing i really miss in Zc2 is the focus fire from Invader. This was absolutely awesome. No more kiting abominations.. Sadly the removed it. Overall we think Zc2 is the best game of the whole Franchise. Great vids!! Thx!

[@derrickfrancis9097]

Shira I need to borrow you for a little bit to play my zombicide collection!!! I like your style!!! Game on.

[@BoardGameCo]

lol good luck :)

[@Fohogoroh]

To be fair. 2nd Ed just launched and Black Plague has tons of addons that increase variety. 1st Ed hat tons of zombie variations too: toxic, berserker, seekers, birds, dogs, skinners... and all of those can be used in 2nd Ed too of you got the Zombies and Companions Upgrade Kit. Just saying :)

[@zenmazster]

Wow you guys have really fantastic chemistry on screen

[@RobOngrui]

When I saw Hate in the background I immediately got sad because there is no way of buying it anymore without selling at least 1 kidney.

[@BoardGameCo]

Yeah, as a kickstarter exclusive game the aftermarket on it is tough.

[@RobOngrui]

@@BoardGameCo Trying to collect all the Eric Lang games but sheesh.

[@edwinbiggs8819]

At least you can now get it at Miniature Market, instead of secondary market prices.

[@RobOngrui]

@@edwinbiggs8819 Not in Germany sadly. I just checked MM (they have a really good price for hate) - but shipping is about 60USD and VAT comes on top of that.

[@edwinbiggs8819]

@@RobOngrui That does suck.

[@snowjim]

Great compare! I did never get the "real" zombie feel from Black Plague, to me it is as any other dudgeon crawler with freaky monsters. It need to be closer to the traditional theme, more like The Walking dead. It´s not about taking out different kind of monsters but about the story, planning, resources and tactics around traditional Zombies. Its however clear with Night of the Living Dead: A Zombicide Game that this is not easy to get right.

[@dougcerulli8826]

I feel the same way. I already have fantasy based games and I prefer this to be a zombie apocalypse in my own time.

[@commandershepard9920]

Hey, I also make Black Plague harder! I haven't played any of the other Zombicide games, but I love that one.

[@Calphurnious]

Their houses foundation is built upon Zombicide board games!

[@BoardGameCo]

It will eventually.

[@flacoboy626]

ONLY have played Black Plague. I bought 2.0 blindly this week. And now this video pops up! Serendipity!

[@BoardGameCo]

:)

[@stefanpdreid1364]

But you have the updated cards to use all of the old Zombie Type expansions (dogs, crows, toxic and so on....). So tons of variety there....

[@PeteQuad]

Yes, this. I have Black Plague and there are only 3 types of zombie and 1 abomination. I'm not sure it's fair to include a pile of expansions on one side.

[@BoardGameCo]

True, but the requirement of owning tons of prior content or hunting it down, plus the fact that many won't want to combine older sculpts, it's trickier to include those.

[@dczepiel]

Can you do a Massive Darkness vs Zombicide play this not that episode ?

[@jamierogerson9313]

I think CMON needs to add a cross-over pack for all themes to be used together.

[@BoardGameCo]

Oh man, that would sell so well :)

[@brentnorton1602]

Zombicide Dimensions. Your welcome.

[@tomee639]

This is EXACTLY the video that I wanted. I'm stupid and didn't back 2nd edition and I'm still kicking myself. I really want to know if it's worth getting when I already have Invader and Black Plague. Thank you Alex and Shira!

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

I would say it's only worth it if you really prefer the modern theme for zombies (as I do), or if you REALLY love zombicide and want to play the campaigns. Other wise, it's only slighly better then medieval at best

[@tomee639]

@@OrdemDoGraveto I think both of those apply to me! I think I'm going to wait until Witcher KS starts to see the price and then maybe go with ​ @Ess Dee link above. Thanks so much to the both of you!

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

@@tomee639 I had the complete modern first edition, except for the VIP zombies and all the exclusive stuff from the KS (wich I don't miss at all). I never felt like getting the medieval ones. I LOVE medieval settings (am I'm RPG writter and my first book was medieval fantasy). But I prefer the modern theme FOR ZOMBIES. Invader I was inclined to buy for the gameplay alone. I also love the space theme, but it don't seem to be ZOMBIEcide (should have being called aliencice). I only play custom missions, so TO ME, the second edition was a no brainer. Just the new tiles with dark rooms was enough to convince me. Having the 2 campaings to play is also something I'm VERRY interested to see, as it adds a narrative element to the game that was missing in my opinion (also, more tiles and game elements for custom missions!).

[@uchti]

I like Shira! I wish I had someone that passionate about the games I like in my life haha You guys definitely have to make more videos together :)

[@BoardGameCo]

She's great :-)

[@guinealover121]

Yes I am :)

[@Qyro]

Damn this got uploaded a week too late. Been deliberating between the two for a few weeks and eventually pulled the plug on Second Edition last week. Already played a whole bunch of just core and enjoying it a lot. Can’t wait to crack open the campaign boxes.

[@tawink]

I'm curious if 2nd Edition will have a Season 2 and Season 3 like 1st Edition had.

[@BoardGameCo]

Originally I hope so, but then they shifted to wild West... So I'm less optimistic.

[@tawink]

@@BoardGameCo you can still buy the 1st edition expansions for marked up prices if you want the zombie variety. You’ll also need the extra 2nd edition cards that they offered during the Kickstarter.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

@@tawink I belive those cards will be available at retail. But I'm not sure.

[@tawink]

“Zombies & Companions Upgrade Kit”

[@starscream003]

So I am new to zombiecide, and I am new to your videos, but I have a question about the models, are they paint ready or do they need to be primed before painting?

[@newbreedcreator]

@Worst_gamer_ever - I have several versions of Zombicide and would recommend priming the models before painting.

[@troy7396]

I wanna come for a games night!

[@BoardGameCo]

:)

[@jorisschelfhout2348]

Wild west is such a good zombicide 🥰 would love more zombie variation for 2nd edition

[@BoardGameCo]

It's great :)

[@ottorhynotekuraeloydo2449]

Me encanta el tema de Black Plague, sin embargo considero mejor 2nd Edition, ya que con las cartas de actualización pues obtienes una variedad muy grande en cuanto a zombies e incluso personajes jugables de toda la 1st Edition.

[@BossTripp1]

Hmm, I wonder how 2e shapes up now.

[@BoardGameCo]

Lots of people like it, for us I like parts of it but it's too easy even when trying to make it harder.

[@fabpicture_com]

Hello, The day & Night time, the break weapon thing is only in the extension , does it ?

[@BoardGameCo]

Not sure

[@nikkis.2066]

Also, I'm curious. How many games/sessions of Zombicide do you play in a month or just overall?

[@BoardGameCo]

Depends on the month...comes in waves but I'd say likely averaging 2-3 a month.

[@nikkis.2066]

@@BoardGameCo That's a pretty solid amount given all the games you cover and play!

[@LtRogers5]

I love the energi you have

[@BoardGameCo]

Thanks :)

[@smoothrivera1928]

This was great! We current have ZBP with the wolves expansion. What other content would you recommend to add? Also, I wasn’t part of the KS campaign so I don’t have any special zombies or miniatures. Any ones standout to you?

[@BoardGameCo]

Archers are great, as is the dragon expansion.

[@BattleSpew]

How does Zombicide compare to Last Night on Earth?

[@BoardGameCo]

Southland never played last night on Earth, so I can't comment on that comparison.

[@BattleSpew]

@@BoardGameCo LNoE is a good zombie game. It has scenarios that feel like old zombie movie plots. And it's asynchronous gameplay. 1-2 players play the zombies, and the other players (1-4) play the townsfolk.

[@markm4983]

Love the geeking out to that giant dragon.

[@BoardGameCo]

Lol yep :)

[@jordanhearsawho]

Hey Alex, as someone who has recently got into Black Plague (due in no small part to your enthusiasm) I'm wondering, generally, what the makeup of your equipment and spawn decks look like. Do you like to keep BP and GH mostly separate? Do you like to integrate a certain number of extra zombie types? Just asking because if you were to just slam all the Fantasy Zombicide stuff together you'd have a bloated tower of cards lol.

[@alexgolub3649]

Random question: In a previous video you mentioned you liked Ausonia. I'm thinking of buying it -- can you expand on what you liked about it? Thanks and love the channel!

[@BoardGameCo]

I hope to have a review and gameplay soon.

[@HeroOfTheWeb]

Are your Kallax shelves 4 tier or it that 5 tier with a weird forced perspective?

[@BoardGameCo]

4 tier behind me, 5 tier to the right.

[@tychay]

Wait, do you have the TMNT survivors? :D

[@BoardGameCo]

I do, but those are leaving right away.

[@chrisnelson2948]

@@BoardGameCo Why is that?

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

I'm disapointed that they have the ID cards for the second edition, but not their iconic weapons with the second edition back =/

[@Gorrgorr1]

Which expansions would you recommend for black plague?

[@iggyflop3777]

what's the best expansion for zombicide black plague core box ?

One thing that is not clear, comparing only the base games which one is better, sadly for me getting a game with all the expansion is pretty tough for shipping and availability reasons

[@BoardGameCo]

Base alone would be harder to say....I think I could make a strong argument for either there, but I would personally still lean Black Plague.

@@BoardGameCo Alex after a lot of consideration i ended buying Black Plague and you nailed sir, the setting and gameplay are superb, now I'm looking for some expansion (preference list in Amazon for their nice shipping to my country) can you point me some must have? (I'm planning going all in, but in a slow pace 2 to 3 month between expansion). Thanks in advance.

[@Viragomp]

I know I missed something along the way but Shira is your sister, isn't she? I figure that red hair is probably not a coincidence. She's awesomely fun and I love watching her and Rina interact together, so great!!

[@BoardGameCo]

Nope, just family friend :) That we happen to look not dissimilar.

[@namewithheld8115]

I feel relieved reading this. I looked at the similarity and thought: "Is Shira Alex's daughter? He doesn't look old enough... surely..."

[@johnathanrhoades7751]

I thought I had pieced all the relationships together, and I'm glad to have it confirmed!

[@chrisnelson2948]

Hopefully there will be a new standalone expansion for second edition to help variety.

[@BoardGameCo]

Given how quickly they moved on to wild West, I'm sadly skeptical that this will be supported.

[@nikkis.2066]

Would be cool if we got a Zoo and Mall Expansion but CMON moves very fast

[@noralockley8816]

I like the old zombicide 1st edition art better than 2nd edition. I use 1:43 cars I bought.

[@DeadkingAZ]

Agreed 100% on metal dice. They sound cool, literally and figuratively, but they are wholly impractical.

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep, although dice trays can help.

[@frodriguez87]

Is vanilla Zombicide much different from Black Plague and 2nd Ed.? Completely new to Zombicide

[@andyt3415]

thanks for the review. I'm curious does expansions like Washington ZC add more fun to the core box. Also, isn't there many other Zombicide expansions out there that are compatible with 1st edition? Which I wonder means also works with 2nd edition? Would those expansion help solve the lack of variety issue you mentioned? For context, I have never played any version of zombicide before, I just ordered a copy of the 2nd Edition (can only get the core box). I figure I could get some expansions later.. if they are compatible.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

They require a update kit. It was available at the KS, but I don't know if they will be at retail. If they aren't, then that's a relevant point.

[@MrMaltavius]

Their whole point was that 2nd was only fun in campaign (W Z.C., Fort Hendrix). I only owned the first edition and for me the 2nd edition makes it more fun just by the fact that you CAN shoot into a zone where a survivor is and you might not hit them. In the first edition you where guaranteed to hit them. Also, 2nd edition is easier to set up and get to playing than the 1st edition. I play with my wife and kid (6 years) primarliy. I agree that CMON should have incorporated the campaign stuff more into the main game.

[@nikkis.2066]

I can't get enough Zombicide! Got into it & CMON with Invaders and became addicted ever since. Been heavily playing 2nd Edition and I love the game, the Survivors and stretch Goal Zombies and the optional buy of Urban Legends Abomination pack. I've Late Pledged Zombicide Undead or Alive at the Base Pledge and intend to get the 2 Abomination pack Optional Buys. I wasn't too impressed with their Expansions for Undead of Alive like I was with Invader's Black Ops & Dark Side and 2nd Edition's Washington ZC & Fort Hendrix Expansions. I'm really curious to see what CMON will do with Zombicide going forward. I know I'm a dork but I'd love something to get us Zombie Dinosaurs xD maybe do something akin to Jurassic Park with a Genetics/Sad Science angle. Edit: as an aside, I know we all have our own tastes and opinions but I think it's harsh to say the Wild West setting is "dumb". Lot of fun use of such a theme and setting. Red Dead Redemption 1 had a Zombie dlc bit that was well beloved. I dunno I'm up for many different settings and themes for Zombicide. Invaders is my favorite setting with ties to Warhammer, Aliens, Dune, and games like Dead Space etc. The original 3 Seasons of Zombicide are the only ones I wasn't taken to. Black Plague looks OK at best for me. Green Horde is the only Zombicide before Invaders that I would want and nearly got with CMON's Time Travel Kickstarter

[@stephensy2008]

I think zombicide 2.0 now has many varieties. Toxic, Berserkers, Skinners, Seekers, Dogs, and Crows. But maybe this video is uploaded before those varieties came

[@stephensy2008]

The variety comes from the upgrade kit.. you can bring the zombies from 1st edition to second edition

[@ScytheNoire]

No overlapping artists between Black Plague and Second Edition.

[@BoardGameCo]

Thanks!

[@fullpolish]

Black Plague is pretty much unobtainable on Polish market whereas Green Horde is very common and not that expensive. Are there any huge advantages of Black over Green that make the latter not worth it?

[@chris-gj7cv]

thanks for the video😁 I love zombicide franchise so much Especially Invader/dark side most love mold, oxygen and remote control bots/turrets, even class system of invader series though👍

[@BoardGameCo]

I need to give Invader more tries...I was so excited about it initially.

[@Indra_P]

1st edition got that variety, they havent release the reworked expansions for 2nd ed

[@BoardGameCo]

Yep, if they give me expansions we can talk :)

[@krtrocky]

@@BoardGameCo an optional buy was the upgrade kit that allows all of the old zombies from first edition to be used to add variety

[@krtrocky]

And it didn’t have Kickstarter exclusive listed on it so it can be bought in stores at some point. Also upgrades the companions from first edition. Of course all the old characters were in the reboot box though

[@Sismanski]

2nd Edition is compatible with all previous Modern ones. So if you miss Zombie variaty, you definitely should look into the old Modern with the Berserkers, Toxic etc. There are plenty!

[@BoardGameCo]

Agreed, sadly the miniatures would look out of place.

[@Sismanski]

@@BoardGameCo The player miniatures look a little off, but the Zombies are fine I think.

[@krtrocky]

If you have the upgrade pack from first edition you get the skinners, toxic, beserker, vip, seekers, and lost zombiviors, crowz and dogz.

[@krtrocky]

It makes you wish you had first edition stuff

[@krtrocky]

A lot of verity will come if you go after the first edition boxes toxic city mall, angry neibors, season 2 prison outbreak and season 3 rue morgue add a lot of content

[@maxdisciple1]

Very true. It's hard to compare these apples to apples without adding in all the 1st edition expansions. I hope they reprint/update the first edition expansions to go along with second edition.

[@krtrocky]

@@maxdisciple1 We are planning on just using black cubes to say rooms that are dark on the old boards

[@morgaknightgames]

Still waiting for pirate zombicide. I'll be all over that. 😆

[@BoardGameCo]

Absolutely :)

[@dracus6877]

I have green horde technically i can use my green horde and play it as black plague. All i have to do is use the black plague rules and get the BP extra tile set. And not use the trebuche.

[@BoardGameCo]

Well that's reasonable :) For me the lack of correct minis would bother me :D

[@94fcr]

And between balck plague vs green horde? Which one would be your pick? Thanks for your great videos!!

[@chadvader974]

Guitar earrings look cool :)

[@PrzemN]

Man, I was just today thinking if I should buy 2nd edition looking at a little bit of dust on my Black Plague .......... ;)

[@WolandSilent]

fun format.

[@BoardGameCo]

Thanks :-) we try to do one or two of these a month

[@Paul-ro6py]

Phew I was rooting for Black Plague

[@BoardGameCo]

Right now it's not even close. I like second edition, but it needs more.

[@Jak0vas]

I sold off Green Horde as the gameplay just felt very slow and fiddly with the hedge mechanics and catapult. But I have to say I kept No Rest for the WIcked & Friends & Foes Plus the Horde Box to max out the missions in the other three books of missions. My favourite enemy type has to be the ghosts, and exploding zombies really bumping the value of magic wielders, I feel that the moderncide V2 may benefit from similar enemy types, perhaps bulletproof vests, exploding zombies TBH I have yet to play it as I like to paint up my Core Box before getting it to the table.

[@BoardGameCo]

We're leaning very similarly. While I absolutely plan on keeping all the extra variety from the expansions, the actual core box of green horde we're not sure if we're keeping yet.

[@scoutingtheweb]

New to zombicide, was made aware by the marvel zombies upcoming. I want a more traditional set, I think I wanted 2nd edition to come out on top, I do love the fantasy setting but was hoping in a way the newer version might come out on top I’m so conflicted in what to buy! … would you recommend Black Plague with the expansions including green horde or just the wolves, ghosts and friends expansions (forget the actual names now)

[@stephenjones8105]

I picked up a copy of zombicide 2nd edition off of ebay and I love it! and I have black plague as well. and im waiting on western zombicide.....I blame you Alex. lol

[@BoardGameCo]

You should absolutely blame me.

[@Herodragon9]

The event deck is genius!

[@BoardGameCo]

Tell cmon :)

[@aaronst.pierre3080]

Do u randomize characters when playing a new game? I found the set up to be a little slow for Zombiecide and the game was far too easy to build characters or farm and then just demolish the map. The game is also very solitaire-esque where there's just the best move so you don't need real teammates and can just use ai or dummies allies. The scenarios are cool. I think if you paint the Minis it could feel a little more epic it's very similar albeit an easier version of hero quest without the leveling system.

[@nt4games]

Have you tried adding some of the rule improvements to Black Plague from 2E? The night and day cycle is easy to implement and it's GREAT. An issue that hurts Black Plague is a lot of the extra cards in the item deck. 2E streamlines this and keeps it light while Black Plague added to it, making it more robust, sure, but also making it much harder to find Dragon Bile and a Torch. This lead to turtling up, searching until you got what you needed and then bulldozing through. 2E makes this feel so much faster and a non-issue. What's your take on that?

[@BoardGameCo]

That's a great point, one that I probably should have made. I do like the fact that it's a single card you need to find instead of a combination. That's also an easy house rule by just getting rid of the bile and requiring only the torch.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

@@BoardGameCo It's more about the size of the decks if you add all the expansions for BP + GH, that make the dragon bile cards way to scarce.

[@MySqueezingArm]

I plan on buying Zombicide as my girlfriend loves smashing brains in.

[@BoardGameCo]

It's a blast :)

[@AltarenGalil]

So will there be a Black Plague 2nd edition?

[@BoardGameCo]

I highly doubt it sadly.

[@xeptyon]

Great comparison, I have yet to play a Zombicide game even though I own the 2nd edition of modern. From what I've seen I love everything about this franchise, but the more I look at Black Plague, Green Horde, etc. the more I lose interest in playing the modern version. It just doesn't seem to appeal to me anymore, from the artwork on the box to the game itself. I'm thinking about selling it and getting BP, for starters. If you find the time please let me know if I'm on the seemingly right track 😄.