Best Board Games of All time 2024

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Best Board Games of All-Time 2024 update is here! What's new on the list? What board games were left out top 10 favorite board game list?
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@dannyanderson4723
@dannyanderson4723 6 ай бұрын
My Kickstarter for Wonderland's War came in last week. My son and I taught it to my wife, he and i had only played it at conventions. She fell in love with it. She said, "I don't like area control or battling games, but this is so exciting!"
@rickgrimes4845
@rickgrimes4845 6 ай бұрын
Been wanting this game badly. It is a shame that its unobtainable basically. The new campaign does not ship to my country and nobody has been reselling this game in months of looking for it
@dannyanderson4723
@dannyanderson4723 6 ай бұрын
@@rickgrimes4845 That's right, I'm sorry to hear that.
@shazam2323
@shazam2323 5 ай бұрын
I bought it and the expansion during Christmas break, stilll hasn't even begun processing
@codym6376
@codym6376 6 ай бұрын
Just started the video. Nice touch showing the pub meeple selection process with real games on the table. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else do that so A+ for creativity!
@rickgrimes4845
@rickgrimes4845 6 ай бұрын
You guys have easily become my favorite board game channel. I bought Feed the Kraken a month back based on your recommendations and it is a major hit with all of my player groups. Even played it with my family and relatives on Christmas and we all had a blast. Currently heavily thinking what my next game should be. Hegemony feels like a great game to me but I am not sure if anyone from my groups would be into such a heavy game. Wonderlands war would be an instant buy but it is not available to me. Star Wars Rebellion hits hard for me as a Star Wars fan and the game I have thought about the most is Nemesis but I can only get Retaliation currently and it costs around 120€ which is a lot. Kings Dilemma also interests me but I am not sure because of the aspect of it not being reusable for more than a dozen games or so... But anyways love your content. Keep up the great work!
@user-pk9sz2mp2l
@user-pk9sz2mp2l 5 ай бұрын
Amazed with how the slash on the information (name, duration, etc.) bar on the bottom matched the dash on the table. Nice details!
@ThiagoSilva-dv3ri
@ThiagoSilva-dv3ri 6 ай бұрын
Thanks guys! Best boardgame channel. I wish you could do videos commenting on boardgame news
@BoardGameHangover
@BoardGameHangover 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion! Something like board game news is in the works. :))
@bananerz3167
@bananerz3167 4 ай бұрын
I m glad some of the games are just bought are in ur list and the arguments u give are fully in line with what excited me about them before I bought them. Thanks
@Adam-pt3cb
@Adam-pt3cb 6 ай бұрын
I bought hegemony based on your enthusiasm for it in your games of 2023 video. That it’s come straight in as #3 and #1 is mad but also suggests that when I get round to playing it I should be in for a treat
@naturesfinest2408
@naturesfinest2408 6 ай бұрын
Im looking for it and cant find it for under 100 u.s. How much did you pay for it? Im excited ti get my hands on it. Sounds like my type of game.
@beakerkell
@beakerkell 6 ай бұрын
Really fun list! Thanks for the video
@mitchslego6601
@mitchslego6601 6 ай бұрын
Just got my wonderlands war kickstarter this week! It’s so freaking good, shot to my number one spot. Minis are in the painting process and I’m just loving it
@noeloneill9458
@noeloneill9458 6 ай бұрын
I'm pulling my hair out in anticipation waiting for mine to arrive
@ACE99299
@ACE99299 6 ай бұрын
I just got mine as well and love it but that setup and takedown makes it a 9/10 for me.
@lostfanatic6
@lostfanatic6 6 ай бұрын
My favorites (in no particular order) are: Dune Imperium: Uprising A Feast for Odin Arkham Horror: The Card Game Ark Nova Castles of Mad King Ludwig Dead Reckoning Root Modern Art Marvel Champions Heat: Pedal to the Metal I REALLY want to try Hegemony. It looks like it would be right up my alley!
@GrandElemental
@GrandElemental 6 ай бұрын
Very good looking list, as always! I absolutely love Spirit Island and Dune Imperium, they are on my top-10 as well. Nemesis and Feed the Kraken won't quite make it, but they are also excellent games that I love to play every now and then and both will stay in my collection for years to come for sure. I just picked up Hegemony and have been struggling to get it played, but I'll have high hopes for it as it seems a blast! My top-10 would probably be: 1. Mage Knight the Boardgame 2. Spirit Island 3. Gloomhaven/Jaws of the Lion 4. Scythe 5. Race for the Galaxy 6. Ark Nova 7. Earth 8. Everdell 9. Through the Ages 10. Cosmic Encounter
@PrinterGoesBrrrrr
@PrinterGoesBrrrrr 6 ай бұрын
Hope that you guys can try out Fractal Beyond the void & see how it compares with Eclipse. Great list by the way!
@vbagiartakis
@vbagiartakis 6 ай бұрын
Wow!!! Thank you guys for putting Hegemony so high! I'm speechless! Much much appreciated!
@BoardGameHangover
@BoardGameHangover 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for putting out such a great game!
@Ivytea
@Ivytea 6 ай бұрын
great list! have you guys played Inis or similar?
@santeripiipponen1803
@santeripiipponen1803 6 ай бұрын
Oh yea! Been waiting for this video! 😁 War of the ring is at top of my boardgame wishlist right now (because lotr is the best). My favourite games at the moment are Root and Dwellings of eldervale. I just got Dwellings for my birthday and have only played it 5 times, but already it became one of my favourites 😂 so much replay value 😎
@BoardGameHangover
@BoardGameHangover 6 ай бұрын
LOTR IS THE BEST! /JT :D
@johnhunt8299
@johnhunt8299 6 ай бұрын
Well I have just come to your channel and I really like it. I don't agree with your tastes completely (Nemesis - really, guys are you sure?) But I must say, huge respect for Here I Stand at #1, which I haven't played, but putting something like that at #1 shows a real breadth as reviewers, some gravitas and some integrity. Bravo.
@AxaiosGr
@AxaiosGr 6 ай бұрын
One great video again!
@annatribus1146
@annatribus1146 6 ай бұрын
Oh, i love you guys! Well done! ❤
@3ull
@3ull 6 ай бұрын
Awesome list.
@mikeghanley
@mikeghanley 6 ай бұрын
What sleeves do you have on your war of the ring cards? They look nice and matte!
@landlboardgames
@landlboardgames 6 ай бұрын
I just got War of the Ring for Christmas, can't wait to try it. Kind of want to try the Reformation game... How did you differentiate your minis in War of the Ring? It looks like you painted the bases?
@iamdadof2178
@iamdadof2178 4 ай бұрын
For me I painted the base of the free people based on the color of their borders. It helps so much with set up and movement. For the shadow I didn't bother painting because they are visibly different. Enjoy it man! Top 3 board games ever for me. Get lords of middle earth for a more "What if" experience
@landlboardgames
@landlboardgames 4 ай бұрын
@@iamdadof2178 did you use any specific paint type for them? I've never painted minis or anything if you can't tell...
@denisjalusic1504
@denisjalusic1504 6 ай бұрын
Did you guys play Clash of cultures? I like your list. Based on what I watched from you until now I tought you were more into dungeon crawlers, but I see heavy games and war games are here also :)
@robertthurman9866
@robertthurman9866 6 ай бұрын
Netrunner seems to be popping up a lot lately. I like that!
@twigglyfiggly3429
@twigglyfiggly3429 6 ай бұрын
Y’all have gotten me to get a lot of games. Janis convinced me to get Wonderlands War, Spirit Island, and Ares Expedition. Janis convinced me to get Dune and King’s Dilemma. Your combined opinions convinced me to get Nemesis. All are owned, but not all played. Nemesis is he current house favorite though. My copy of Wonderland came in Tuesday. 😊
@stevencats7137
@stevencats7137 6 ай бұрын
How to find friend to play with?
@twigglyfiggly3429
@twigglyfiggly3429 6 ай бұрын
@@stevencats7137 Are you asking me how to make friends or how to get your friends to play games?
@stevencats7137
@stevencats7137 6 ай бұрын
@@twigglyfiggly3429 how to make friend
@danshowdow
@danshowdow 5 ай бұрын
Mysterium is definitely one of my favourites, and also wingspan! Definitely recommend
@sebastianruizromo637
@sebastianruizromo637 6 ай бұрын
Super list... love it. I vote a playtrough of top 3😮😮😮😮
@vaarios
@vaarios 6 ай бұрын
Hey, loved the video. Quite surprised how Here I Stand was first the top game then dropped down the list the next year and is now at the top again xD. But i had 2 questions: 1. I think the discord invite on the perks page has expired. 2. I can't seem to find the 20-11 best games you mentioned anywhere, is it in the discord server i can't seem to enter? 😅
@BoardGameHangover
@BoardGameHangover 6 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the clip! 1. Thanks for the message - we created a new community post with a fresh link and will update the perks page :) 2. The 20-11 video will be posted on Jan 31st (we added the notification in the video, but it's easy to miss that). We usually publish supporter videos at the end of each month. 3. Thank you for joining the community! You are awesome!
@LvT4303
@LvT4303 5 ай бұрын
Any advice from anyone on best place to find and buy these games? Any reputable online stores carrying these products? Im new to this scene. Thanks
@Starshorts1234
@Starshorts1234 6 ай бұрын
so if im about to get one, and only one, nemesis. which one should it be?
@rogueafett190
@rogueafett190 6 ай бұрын
Wonderland's War is an amazing game!!! I'm glad it made it on the list!!!
@ForAllTheMeeples
@ForAllTheMeeples 6 ай бұрын
I need Hegemony! Thanks guys! ❤
@peterbartrina1347
@peterbartrina1347 6 ай бұрын
My Favorite 3 Games are, Seeders from Sereis Exodus, Chinatown and Spartacus a Game of Blood an Treachery. I highly recommend them for people who Like Interaction with other Players.
@user-ml2ei9cs3o
@user-ml2ei9cs3o 3 ай бұрын
Most interesting, best previews, time bar- number of players=genius! Please review solo war games, thanks. Bill S. ,Menominee, Mich..
@BrandonGraham
@BrandonGraham 6 ай бұрын
All those games covered on 18 minutes. Very efficient!
@ScytheNoire
@ScytheNoire 6 ай бұрын
Great taste in games.
@john-qz3fu
@john-qz3fu 6 ай бұрын
Here I Stand is objectively one of the best games ever created. No reason for it not to be enjoyed by a larger broader audience considering how well huge expensive campaign games do on crowdfunding.
@CCCC-lu2st
@CCCC-lu2st 4 ай бұрын
Guys , can you also a review of Bharata 600 BC board game . It looks amazing and sounds mixed elements of Catan and Risk . Would really like to see a review video for the same
@viesturskokarevics2427
@viesturskokarevics2427 6 ай бұрын
My Top 10 : 1. Dune Imperium 2. Twilight Imperium IV 3.-10. in no particular order Oathsworn, Brass B, Eclipse 2, Gloomhaven, A Game of Thrones, Ark Nova, Kemet, Terraforming Mars
@julixjt
@julixjt 6 ай бұрын
Have you guys played any Lacerda games? :)
@DodgethisCZ
@DodgethisCZ 6 ай бұрын
Hi guys. I love Rebellion and play it a lot. How much it help me with Lord of the Ring game? We kinda want it but rulles looks all over the place :D
@Janisurai
@Janisurai 3 ай бұрын
I’d say they’re similar rules wise with lotr being a bit more complex
@giuliomari3633
@giuliomari3633 4 ай бұрын
Where can i buy Wonderland's war? because i can't find it on amazon
@BoardGameHangover
@BoardGameHangover 4 ай бұрын
Wonderlands War is on a super high demand so all the stores run out of stock constantly. The best way to get it is to either pre-order it or wait for the next Kickstarter campaign. Also might look through Board Game Geek for a used copy if that works for you.
@Arcblood
@Arcblood 4 ай бұрын
Where do I get Wonderland's War?
@Anwar-AT
@Anwar-AT 2 ай бұрын
The shirt is a turnoff. Where is humanity going 😢
@rossjaax
@rossjaax 5 ай бұрын
It’s not a history lesson! Or is it?? LOL. Love your guys interaction.
@FragRevel
@FragRevel 6 ай бұрын
Excellent video! You should try Pax Renaissance 2nd edition, awesome game! Cheers from Argentina
@ericw4377
@ericw4377 3 ай бұрын
Hegemony doesn't have to be 2 - 5 players. It can be played solo with the Crisis and Control expansion.
@SovietUnionoffical
@SovietUnionoffical 5 ай бұрын
my bros tshirt is very very suspect😶‍🌫😶‍🌫😶‍🌫
@alkaliaurange
@alkaliaurange 20 күн бұрын
I think I got baited with the arkham horror box in the thumbnail 😥
@BoardGameHangover
@BoardGameHangover 19 күн бұрын
There's no Arkham Horror box in the thumbnail ... Maybe you tough Eldritch Horror?
@lostinsim
@lostinsim 6 ай бұрын
The dude on the left has great taste.
@SpelleJelle
@SpelleJelle 5 ай бұрын
Nice list! But there is only one winner: A Gentle Rain🎉
@sirpoupadou
@sirpoupadou 5 ай бұрын
Great list, thanks guys! Hegemony would sound interesting if it was reskinned in a medieval/fantasy setting; as it is, I find the theme so unappealing unfortunately! I do love the gameplay of Dune imperium too, but funnily, I always think of how ugly the board it. I just received my copy of Wonderland's war and hoping it'll replace Dune actually die to its amazing graphics and theme on top of a great gameplay 😊 Thanks for your great content!! 👍🏽👍🏽
@masonmason3486
@masonmason3486 3 ай бұрын
Surprised Scythe not on this your lists.
@cyrustheplayer
@cyrustheplayer 5 ай бұрын
Would you guys be willing to review my friends new Board game that hit the market?
@juanignacio8201
@juanignacio8201 6 ай бұрын
I love Dune Imperium
@animationman6426
@animationman6426 2 ай бұрын
One of my favourite games is lost ruins of Arnak. This one never seems to be on anyone elses top board game list.
@jfducusin7186
@jfducusin7186 6 ай бұрын
surprised that SI are going down fast
@craigandrews7544
@craigandrews7544 6 ай бұрын
Have you guys played Frostpunk?
@BoardGameHangover
@BoardGameHangover 6 ай бұрын
No, not yet. I have however played the PC game which was great. /JG
@naturesfinest2408
@naturesfinest2408 6 ай бұрын
I can only find hegemony for 100 u.s. is that a good price everyone? Wanna make sure before i buy it. I know itll sit for a little bit before I can get to it.
@siejaiz
@siejaiz 5 ай бұрын
I see it for $68 on gamenerdz
@robertclopton8942
@robertclopton8942 4 ай бұрын
You might want to try the following games, Mosaic, Tekhenu, Cornucopia, Arkham horror, avalon hill circus maximus, bitter woods, ceasar of alesia, fortress Europe, russia besieged, quickly, S.P.I. Sword and sorcery, Acquire, Stone age, Wingspan, Arnack😊
@osiien
@osiien 6 ай бұрын
Awesome list ! I bought Feed the Kraken because of one of your previous lists and absolutely love it, can't wait to play it again with my friends. Would you recommend Aeon's trespass as a solo game ?
@BoardGameHangover
@BoardGameHangover 6 ай бұрын
Aeon's Trespass is a great solo game and is the most realistic way to play it. I played most of my campaign solo, inviting other players to some sessions. It's really easy to change the player count from session to session. /JT
@osiien
@osiien 6 ай бұрын
Oh that's even better than I'd hoped, good to know that it's easy to change player count ! Thanks !
@kamokamocsai
@kamokamocsai 4 ай бұрын
For me: Dune: Imperium is still the best board game experience for me. It is the best workerplacement game in my opinion. The best game with solo mode is Mage Knight UE or Euthia... The best deckbuilder is Imperial Classics/Legends/Horizons. I love it. (Sorry 51st state, I like you too) The best LCG is Android: Netrunner and Nisei. (Ofc, Marvel Champions is still one of my favs.) The best dice-rolling game is Roll for the Galaxy. The best 1vs1 fighting game is Unmatched... and SW:Rebellion. (I know about the 4p modes... :) :P
@roslayp1455
@roslayp1455 6 ай бұрын
My Hegemony spooked friends away… While I was interested, friends were too tired… 😢
@iphatbass
@iphatbass 6 ай бұрын
Android: Netrunner ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ The best card game ever!!!! Also where's Eldritch Horror? 😅
@nikosmessis
@nikosmessis 6 ай бұрын
Super proud for the high rank of Hegemony! Greek/Cypriot designers' game is getting more and more closely to what it deserves! My Top 10 : Ark Nova Spirit island Brass Birmingham Tainted Grail Race for the galaxy Anachrony It's a wonderful world Newton Lost ruins of Arnak GWT Argentina
@dastommygun
@dastommygun 5 ай бұрын
So why OG Nemesis and NOT Lockdown?
@TheJirator
@TheJirator 6 ай бұрын
Guys please please, finally try Secret Hitler, we need the comparison and the internet has no answer to this life and death question! Also any top 10 with Nemesis is a good list, approved :-)
@marceloduarte1799
@marceloduarte1799 6 ай бұрын
Hey, what are your names?
@kurtwolffjr9727
@kurtwolffjr9727 6 ай бұрын
When you say Nemesis are you lumping Nemesis and Nemesis Lockdown together or do you just mean the original Nemesis?
@BoardGameHangover
@BoardGameHangover 6 ай бұрын
OG Nemesis all the way :)
@kurtwolffjr9727
@kurtwolffjr9727 6 ай бұрын
@@BoardGameHangover Oh wow, I guess Nemesis Lockdown dropped off the top 10 entirely for Janis last year I believe it was in the top 10. I have Nemesis Lockdown and never played the original yet. Would you say I need both in my collection?
@henriklindholm3187
@henriklindholm3187 6 ай бұрын
Here i stand is a really epic game. Cant wait for Virgin Queen to be reprinted. Not the kind of game you play often but definitively memorable when you do.
@MrAxe802
@MrAxe802 6 ай бұрын
I'm at number 2 and I stopped a video. I'm guessing the two number 1 will be Hegemony and Oathsworm
@alterskater
@alterskater 6 ай бұрын
When you say Nemesis in your top 10, do you mean Nemesis including Nemesis Lockdown?
@nicolasarevalo6024
@nicolasarevalo6024 6 ай бұрын
Most likely, they are 90% the same game, though I prefer Nemesis OG
@dastommygun
@dastommygun 5 ай бұрын
could you explain why?@@nicolasarevalo6024
@_MindBreaker_
@_MindBreaker_ Ай бұрын
There is nothing for ((here i stand)) in good channels idk why
@gamingoverboard
@gamingoverboard 5 ай бұрын
It's Janis T's list for me, but he needs to swap out Nemesis for Netrunner 😬
@jasonc2784
@jasonc2784 6 ай бұрын
Great list! Disappointed that Wonderland's War didn't have a retail version this time. The standees looked better than unpainted minatures. Plus the additional cost didn't feel necessary.
@dominicthompson5443
@dominicthompson5443 6 ай бұрын
However after 5 games i felt the game was way too RNG and got stale fast
@iamdadof2178
@iamdadof2178 4 ай бұрын
For some reason I became upset when star wars rebellion ranked higher then war of the ring
@nickm8425
@nickm8425 2 ай бұрын
huh no ark nova? im suprised
@BoardGameHangover
@BoardGameHangover 2 ай бұрын
Still in the top 11-20 :)
@diamondmeeple
@diamondmeeple 6 ай бұрын
Eclipse?? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
@JanisGoldmanis
@JanisGoldmanis 6 ай бұрын
Eclipse over TI? 😮
@viesturskokarevics2427
@viesturskokarevics2427 6 ай бұрын
None of them has time for TI😂
@Deltium5683
@Deltium5683 6 ай бұрын
I see you both liked Nemesis, but didn’t you like the new Retaliation a lot better (although not released yet), and what about Lockdown?
@kwirl
@kwirl 6 ай бұрын
my guess is that they played an early prototype and in 2 years when we see it widely available it will show up. i believe the purpose of these lists are for people to make shopping or playing decisions, and retaliation would not allow either of those options.
@BoardGameHangover
@BoardGameHangover 6 ай бұрын
We excluded prototypes from the ranking. I like the noise system a lot better in Retaliation, but the overall feeling (going guns blazing) is a lot different, we'll see where it ranks in 2 years. On the other hand, Lockdown is almost the same game as the original with some extra things. We'd go for the original game as the better one /JT
@nicolasarevalo6024
@nicolasarevalo6024 6 ай бұрын
@@BoardGameHangover Second this. OG over lockdown, though both are pretty similar games. I'm eagerly expecting Retaliation
@TheJirator
@TheJirator 6 ай бұрын
Lockdown is adding couple of things which overall made the game worse. So original with aftermath expansion is the way to go B-)
@xXtenseXx
@xXtenseXx 28 күн бұрын
No
@christofferknight8567
@christofferknight8567 4 ай бұрын
England would Never ally to that country.in game .... Regards
@Sarefus
@Sarefus 6 ай бұрын
My Top 10 of all time was quite shook up in 2023: 1. Voidfall 2. Rising Sun 3. Everdell 4. Brass Lancashire 5. Trickerion 6. Dune Imperium (Uprising) 7. Hegemony 8. Bitoku 9. A Game of Thrones 10. Faraway
@Shadenium1
@Shadenium1 6 ай бұрын
Is it difficult for you to find people for Voidfall? Explain rules to them? How often do you end up playing it?
@Sarefus
@Sarefus 6 ай бұрын
@@Shadenium1 Well, I have different playgroups and one of them consists of 3 people that all own Voidfall. We all fell in love with it so I have played it 10 times alteady. Which is quite a lot considering the playtime and the prepetation time (at least 1 hour!). My suggestion is, that everyone reads the rules before playing the first time. After that you should be fine.
@Shadenium1
@Shadenium1 6 ай бұрын
@@Sarefus Well, that's an extremely expert board games group if you can throw in that everyone should read VOIDFALL RULES before coming to play.
@tracieperez2629
@tracieperez2629 3 ай бұрын
Janis, if "Nemesis" is basically Alien the board game...what is "Alien" the board game, LOL? I hear people say this, but I have never played "Nemesis". I have indeed played "Alien", the board game, though, and it felt thematic to the movie as well. Anyway, love watching the two Janis's and now I will have to watch your Dune comparison video bc I want to know your opinion of the two games.
@orlandodavila545
@orlandodavila545 6 ай бұрын
The shirt drew me in right away! ❤ thanks for supporting all love while also making the best board gaming channel I've come across! Both of you are so awesome! But, i will say, Cthulhu: Death May Die, one of the best games I've ever played
@RedBird77
@RedBird77 3 ай бұрын
Woke nonsense is apparent now on this channel./ Unsubscribed. Buh Bye.
@kraziel
@kraziel 6 ай бұрын
Nah, sorry, but Aeon Tresspass is dog sh*t, there are hundreds of games that could be in that top spot.
@3ull
@3ull 6 ай бұрын
Uh no. Nobody cares what you think. It’s their list. Sorry.
@kraziel
@kraziel 6 ай бұрын
@@3ull I don't give a fuck. It's still dog shit.
@chrishudson9525
@chrishudson9525 6 ай бұрын
You clearly have terrible taste, so I'm glad you had nothing to do with their list.
@s_215
@s_215 6 ай бұрын
Amazed with how the slash on the information (name, duration, etc.) bar on the bottom matched the dash on the table. Nice details!
@Shadenium1
@Shadenium1 6 ай бұрын
Can't understand what you are talking about.
@user-hj8te5vf9p
@user-hj8te5vf9p 5 ай бұрын
Thanks guys! Best boardgame channel. I wish you could do videos commenting on boardgame news
@user-zs4fb4fu4c
@user-zs4fb4fu4c 3 ай бұрын
so if im about to get one, and only one, nemesis. which one should it be?
@LinearConvolution
@LinearConvolution 3 ай бұрын
honestly maybe wait for Retaliation to come out and get reviewed and then see which one will work best for you. I have played the first two and think Lockdown is a little better than the first, but people have different opinions on this. They are very similar (90%+ same mechanics and premise) so don't think you're missing out by only getting one of them. The main difference between Nemesis and Lockdown is the setting. In Nemesis you're on a ship which can be sabotaged while in Lockdown you're in a Martian base where the power is failing and the corporation is going to take a secret contingency measure that will wipe out one of the survival routes. So the original Nemesis is about trying to see if you can fix the ship and trust that other people have fixed it or sabotaged it, whereas Lockdown is about deducing what the corporation's contingency measure will be and then scrambling for a survival route in a doomed base.
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