War Room Second Edition - Unboxing - Exclusive First Look!

[@geodrive1882]

We all know Larry Harris, and this game wouldn't exist without him. That being said, I'd like to thank Tom Gale for all the work he's contributed to this product! I'd also love to hear the story of how these two met each other, and how this partnership in War Room came to be. Cheers!

[@BoardGameNation]

Thanks for watching! That's a great question. We are talking about an interview. If we are able to make that happen, I'll definitely ask them!

[@randyvandyke1]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4q2k5qwpJ15gck

[@BoardGameNation]

@Joseph Daisley - I got a chance to ask your question and I even gave you credit for the suggestion! Thanks for your comment! You can see that interview here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5PZqJaiiM5pn9k

[@JohnPaulJones987]

Your years of experience working in gaming was very evident shuffling the tokens around on the felt. You looked like an old pro!

[@BoardGameNation]

Haha! I have my moments. 😉 Thanks for watching!

[@BoardGameNation]

Thank you for watching this First Look at War Room - 2nd Edition! We have a correction and an update. The game weighs 17, rather than 19 pounds. And, Tom from Nightingale Games is sending me a sheet of stickers to replace the ones that were damaged in transit. Thanks for watching! What question do you have?

[@designation7395]

Awesome! Best WWII simulation on the market in my opinion. Hoi4 is amazing, though, unfortunately not made of cardboard and plastic!

[@BoardGameNation]

Thanks for watching!

[@varovaro1967]

What about the jumbo expansion? I didnt get that one with the first edition, its not necessary but cool...

[@BoardGameNation]

Thanks for watching! The Jumbo Expansion Pack is cool. It won't be available for the Second Edition, but all the components will be available on the Nightingale Games website. Tom Gale and I discussed it in our recent interview. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5PZqJaiiM5pn9k

[@DrBadassBRB]

That's a serious game!

[@BoardGameNation]

It is a monster! Thanks for watching!

[@MrPistola2]

Thank you for sharing this!! Why 0.03 seconds?? This is an amazing game I’d love to get it.

[@BoardGameNation]

Thanks for watching!

[@MrPistola2]

@@BoardGameNation keep up the great work Gary. You’ve opened up the world of gaming to me and I appreciate it.

[@BoardGameNation]

@@MrPistola2 Happy to help!

[@thequilla9735]

do you guys also use table top simulator on steam to play axis and allies, etc? @Board Game Nation

[@BoardGameNation]

We have an interview set up with Tom Gale this morning and I will be sure to ask him! Thanks for watching!

[@thequilla9735]

@@BoardGameNation if you guys use it, i would love to invite you to play a game of code atlas with us as a test in closed alpha. A modern strategy game i have been working on since january 2020. Would love to get your guys feedback on it! :)

[@BoardGameNation]

Sounds fun! Where can you we find more information about the game?

[@thequilla9735]

@@BoardGameNation i made a forum post on the axis and allies.org forums a while ago (the pictures there are outdated now [i got more recent for you] but it gives a first look at how the game looks.) so there you go :). we are also managing a active discord community where we meet up for our games to play, which I will also link down below. aaa.org forum: www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/36034/code-atlas-a-modern-grand-strategy-game-closed-alpha discord server link: discord.gg/VpftN2M2ES

[@BoardGameNation]

@@thequilla9735 - Great! I will check those out! You can reach me directly at Gary***@ Board**Game**Nation.com (remove all the ***) and we can discuss it further.

[@victorm3237]

How do you know if you have the 1st or 2nd edition? I’m guessing I have the first when I was a backer?

[@BoardGameNation]

Honestly, I'm not 100% sure about the changes from the 1st to the 2nd editions. The Kickstarter mentioned in this video is for the second edition. If the copy you have is from before that, it has to be the first edition. I'm not sure that helps, but that's all I know. If you would like to hear from someone who would actually know the specifics, I suggest reaching out to Nightingale Games via their Facebook page. Good luck!

[@victorm3237]

@@BoardGameNation thanks for the link I should have waited for it lol it looks like the 1st edition

[@SansWordHuang]

China marker looks weird. Shouldn't it be 12 stripe with red background?

[@SansWordHuang]

I just notice there's a national flag patch. Thanks for making that.

[@BoardGameNation]

Good eye! Thanks for watching! I had a chance to interview Tom Gale and we talked about that very issue. That will be out tomorrow.

[@BoardGameNation]

Here is the link to our interview: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5PZqJaiiM5pn9k

[@SansWordHuang]

@@BoardGameNation Thanks!

[@BoardGameNation]

You're welcome! Thanks for watching!

[@tombobulus4279]

I was interested until I saw the price was $200 😂 thats a bit much for a board game for me

[@BoardGameNation]

If you back the Kickstarter, the price is only $137. Granted, still a chunk for a game, but when you think about the number of hours of entertainment you get with a game like this, the math makes more sense. Up to you. Thanks for watching!

[@DIFLAZIO]

@@BoardGameNation +45 dollars shipping…

[@BoardGameNation]

@@DIFLAZIO - It is true that shipping is not included in the $137, but the cost will vary depending on where it is being shipped. Thanks for watching!

[@DIFLAZIO]

@@BoardGameNation yes to Sweden it is shipping 45 dollars so 182. But i am going to back it because they say it is not customs and VAT i have to pay extra it should be in the Price. But i am not backning kickstarter anymore, because the VAT in EU is killing everything with 25% more on Price and shipping…

[@BoardGameNation]

All good information. Thanks for sharing!

[@enki2gold]

We need a globe map with magnets

[@BoardGameNation]

That would be cool. I'll pass that on to Nightingale Games. Thanks for watching!

[@flying0possum]

If only I could afford buying global 40 and then this new game in 1 year😂😅

[@BoardGameNation]

The good news is the price of this game has gone down to only $137! Thanks for watching!

[@ryanlaune5599]

If you are needing a push. 😁 I would back the 2nd edition kickstarter as it is only running till the end of June for a $63 discount. And then get global 40 later down the line.

[@BoardGameNation]

That's what we think, too!

[@elizabethlestrad5282]

Looking into the game a bit more while watching this, once you strip away the trendy map, I don't see there being much that this does better that Axis and Allies can't do equally well with a house rule (or HBG's Global rules). That, and the awesome miniatures aside, there are just too many issues with this game. Chief of these being the painfully distorted map (it's actually worse than A&A 1914...and that's saying something), the lack of historical units over generic (7th Panzer, Yamato, or Ark Royal instead of "27"), but the greatest miss is the total lack of the technological/arms race. Will the Germans be able to take enough territory and resources in their first few turns to start mass producing Tiger tanks in 1940? Will T28s crush the Atlantic Wall with ease? Will the J7W Shinden replace the Zero? Once again, we'll never know.

[@BoardGameNation]

Thanks for watching and for the really interesting comment! When I spoke with Larry Harris late last year, we spoke about this very issue. The balance between making a game that is easy to learn and fun to play vs. striving to create the most accurate historical recreation possible is always going to be a tricky one. Some are going to want a game that is engaging to play with the importance of the theme/skin a distant second. Other folks, like yourself, are looking for a deeper historical exploration. It is a tough balance. You can check our interview with Larry to see what he had to say about it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJqqd5t_j9h_g8k It seems to me that the first thing to be given up in the quest for a good game is almost always map fidelity. Much of the action in any WWI or WWII game is going to be centered in Europe. Trying to make a map that is accurate while still allowing for the placement of units and clear game play is exceptionally difficult, nigh on impossible. The next thing that is often lost is the accuracy of the actual pieces. In my opinion, the stock pieces that come with any of the Axis and Allies games are far and away the best of any mass produced "guys on a map" war game. To go further would exponentially increase the cost of the game and, I think, reduce the access to the game for many. War Room seems to have gone a step further toward easy of play by moving to stackable units. However, I think this just as much about improving game play as it was trying to make the game look like the historical images of the generals plotting strategy around a giant map. Best as I can recall, I don't think the generals had mini tanks, fighters, or infantry men on the maps being pushed around with sticks. Perhaps that was the vision that Larry had in this game's creation. This was a great comment and I appreciate your clear depth of knowledge on the historic of the period. I am working on another interview with Larry Harris in the near future. I am taking questions from subscribers to ask him. Have you had a chance to subscribe? Do you have any questions you would like me to ask? Thanks again for watching!

[@elizabethlestrad5282]

@@BoardGameNation Personally, I would place technology over morale, or even natural resources. The technological race, particularly when it came to armor, is by far the "coolest" aspect of the war. Case in point, the Yamato. The sleekest, most beautiful warship ever to sail the seven seas. The question of a German player mass producing Panzer IVs versus building heavier Tigers and King Tigers. How the deployment of V1 and V2 rockets on the Eastern Front might have turned the tide at Moscow. Sadly, the only game I known of that allows various tanks within each country (that is not chit based) is the sadly discontinued Tide of Iron where (for example) the Germans can deploy Panzer III, Panzer IV, Hetzers, Stug IIIs, Tigers, and King Tigers as opposed to your A&A/Memoir 44s where it's sadly reduced to "tank". I also feel that there are a lot of interesting "what if" questions this doesn't allow for, as it starts "mid war" essentially. Like what if Japan landed troops and captured Hawaii rather than being satisfied with the sinking of a few ships? What if Germany didn't break the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? I'm also think the issue of the map could have been more easily addressed with a more squarish map that allowed South America and Africa to be accurately proportioned without affecting North America, Europe, or Asia as opposed to the long, rectangular boards of Axis and Allies. And Finland. How do they always forget Finland?! So as far as actual questions, I don't know if I really can offer anything other than observations on what we're missing out on focussing on the economics over the technological advancement of warfare.