Bob on why the Quran gets the trinity completely WRONG | Speakers Corner

[@LB_die_Kaapie]

Well done Bob this Muslims seems very sincere and is willing to talk often and shows good manners. He would be a fine addition to the Church if he converts.

[@Peter_gorge]

the world’s oldest recorded Marian prayer. It’s the Sub Tuum Praesidium, and it goes like this: Beneath your compassion, We take refuge, O Mother of God [Theotokos]: do not despise our petitions in time of trouble: but rescue us from dangers, only pure, only blessed one. John Rylands Papyrus 470, a prayer in Koine Greek to the Theotokos, written about 250 CE in brown ink, the earliest known copy of such a prayer. It was acquired by the Library in 1917.[7]

[@simplyamina5734]

What’s this a game we’re you collect as many Muslims as you can 😂😭

[@wisemen8085]

Bob Knows this Kid has some 'light' in him. He is not a typical Muslim who spoils the conversation. He has a good 'open heart' to the Truth and honest 'ear' to listen Bob knows this Kid belong to God and God has led this Kid to him. Enjoy the harvest Bob!

[@Doggoeditor]

wisemen Amen..

[@rogerrabbit839]

wisemen I agree, i dont see darkness in him that the other muslims have

[@karakuri100p]

wisemen was just about to comment the same😀👍🏾 from Amsterdam,super inspiring to watch😁

[@wisemen8085]

😁😁😁

[@chasewalker6844]

I agree, He has a sense of humility in him. God will eventually use him one day. I'm glad he has people like Bob around there to approach him on serious matters like the Trinity.

[@kieran296]

This Bro is the most humble, sincere Muslim I have ever seen, I really hope he will know the type of arguments Muslims make which is burning a strawman and flawed, and that he looks at the answers of the type of claims Muslims make about the Christian Faith in-depth, I also hope and pray he will come to know Christ. And to his question of "Person" and "Being". We clearly recognize the difference between being and person every day. We recognize what something is, yet we also recognize individuals within a classification. For example, we speak of the “being” of man human being. A rock has “being” the being of a rock, as does a cat, a dog, etc. Yet, we also know that there are personal attributes as well. That is, we recognize both “what” and “who” when we talk about a person.The Bible tells us there are three classifications of personal beings God, man, and angels. What is personality? The ability to have emotion, will, to express oneself. Rocks cannot speak. Cats cannot think of themselves over against others, and, say, work for the common good of “cat kind.” Hence, we are saying that there is one eternal, infinite being of God, shared fully and completely by three persons, Father, Son and Spirit. One what, three who’s. Also, Plurality and Unity is Philosophically sound, it explains the Laws of Logic, Laws of Non-Contradiction and Morality, having just Unity in your essence(like allah does) is actually philosophically unsound.

[@westernriteorthodox8719]

Well Said!

[@theTruthwillsetyoufree]

Knowing Christianity, Critiquing Islam: Exactly, “Trinity doesn’t make sense, for it's man-made”... For there are three that bear ((witness in heaven)), the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are NOT 3, 3 persons, but ONE - John 5:7.......

[@kieran296]

What do you mean, the Trinity doesn't make sense? What is there not too understand?

[@theTruthwillsetyoufree]

Knowing Christianity, Critiquing Islam: trinity has been invented by man... God is ONE... God made human body for himself - (Philippians 2:7-10), named himself Jesus - (Matthew 1:21), laid down his life for us - (John 10:18), and rise up that human body - (John 2:19-21)... Even the devils believe, that there is ONE God, and tremble - James 2:19... There is only One name in which the devils tremble = the name of (Jesus)...

[@kieran296]

You my friend are a Arian Heretic that was condemned, you are also a Antichrist according to Apostle John(1 John 4:2). Secondly, you have misunderstood and strawmaned the Trinitarian Monotheistic position, We believe God is One (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4), Consisting, The Father who is called "God"(John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2), The Son is called "God"(John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is called "God"(Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16). The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity, God, the Father. The Trinity is very clear and you are in Church Heresy and will not be saved.

[@Jojohumf]

You can see he’s looking for the truth. He seems very humble, you can see the conviction on his face. He’s clearly very intelligent, instead of trying to make up lies he’s listening and taking another view point. Well done bob

[@anthonytreen6253]

Johnoè I have the same impression. I think, Bob, forgets to switch out of his polemical mode when he should be more pastoral. (I am, of course, commenting from a very restricted point point).

[@davids9885]

Very true he is one of the most humble muslim I've seen on speakers corner who seems to be trying to find truth in this world full of lies. See how they spoke back and forth respectfully without cutting each other off. Unlike the other muslims who are there just to argue and prove their religion is true. We are here to learn the truth to this life we live and the truth will set you free.

[@darsom2717]

+La Dopey Dondo "lunatic extreme behaviour." Are you for real? What color is the sky on your planet dopey? Your perverted paedophile muhammad raped, plundered, pillaged, murdered and stole top spread the pagan cult he stole from the meccan pagan's. You fools stand and shout nothing but lies and idiotic claims at the top of your voices to try and spread that same stolen pagan cult, and that's only at SC, but that's only because you's aren't strong enough in our civilized countries to do the same evil crap your pervert muhammad did in pagan Arabia when he gathered his army, and you never will be, nor will you ever gather a big enough army. Your pathetic excuse for a religion has been busted wide open as the stolen pagan cult it is and there is no way left but down for you clowns, which is the direction you're all headed in anyway, because of your ignorance.

[@jxcess3891]

La Donkey What about all your mohamedian preachers such as hashim, mansour, ali diarrhea, adnan and lamin who scream and heckle constantly as if they were on their periods? Bob only raises his voice when it's his turn to speak because he is being constantly heckled by the islameic dumbass team.

[@urbandsouza4368]

Bob we r always waiting your video.a true warrior for christ by knowledge

[@ameen7538]

Bob is just stupid 0:51 People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers and do not speak of a 'Trinity'-stop, that is better for you-God is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust. - Qur'an, sura 4 (An-Nisa), ayat 171[3] Those who say, "God is the Messiah, son of Mary," have defied God. The Messiah himself said; "Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord." If anyone associates others with God, God will forbid him from the Garden, and Hell will be his home. No one will help such evildoers. Those people who say that God is the third of three are defying [the truth]: there is only One God. If they persist in what they are saying, a painful punishment will afflict those of them who persist. Why do they not turn to God and ask his forgiveness, when God is most forgiving, most merciful? The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; other messengers had come and gone before him; his mother was a virtuous woman; both ate food. See how clear We make these signs for them; see how deluded they are. - Qur'an, sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 72-75[4] And when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. - Qur'an, sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 116[5] Furthermore, verses 19:88-93, 23:91, and 112:1-4 are relevant to the doctrine of "Trinity": They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin, that they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious. For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son. Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a servant. - Qur'an, sura 19 (Maryam (sura)), ayat 88-93[6] No son did Allah beget, nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah! (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! - Qur'an, sura 23 (Al-Mumenoon), ayat 91[7] Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. - Qur'an, sura 112 (Al-Ikhlas), ayat 1-4[8]

[@Jojohumf]

“Trinity doesn’t make sense” well man is also a trinity, the Mind, body and soul. I can destroy the body but the mind and soul live on. Man can destroy the mind and body but the soul live on. This doesn’t make you three persons but one.

[@theTruthwillsetyoufree]

Johnoè: Exactly, “Trinity doesn’t make sense, for it's man-made”... For there are three that bear ((witness in heaven)), the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are NOT 3, 3 persons, but ONE - John 5:7.......

[@thenopasslook]

Johnoè Jesus is God A. Implicit Christology 1. Divine functions performed by Jesus a. In relation to the universe (1) Creator (John 1:3; Col. 1:16; Heb. 1:2) (2) Sustainer (1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3) (3) Author of life (John 1:4; Acts 3:15) (4) Ruler (Matt. 28:18; Rom. 14:9; Rev. 1:6) b. In relation to human beings (1) Healing the sick (Mark 1:32-34; Acts 3:6; 10:38) (2) Teaching authoritatively (Mark 1:21-22; 13:31) (3) Forgiving sins (Mark 2:1-12; Luke 24:47; Acts 6:31; Col. 3:13) (4) Granting salvation or imparting eternal life (Acts 4:12; Rom. 10:12-14) (5) Dispensing the Spirit (Matt. 3:11; Acts 2:17, 33) (6) Raising the dead (Luke 7:11-17; John 5:21; 6:40) (7) Exercising judgment (Matt. 25:31-46; John 5:19-29; Acts 10:42; 1 Cor. 4:4-6) 2. Divine status claimed by or accorded to Jesus a. In relation to his Father (1) Possessor of divine attributes (John 1:4; 10:30; 21:17; Eph. 4:10; Col. 1:19; 2:9) (2) Eternally existent (John 1:1; 8:58; 12:41; 17:5; 1 Cor. 10:4; Phil. 2:6; Heb. 11:26; 13:8; Jude 5) (3) Equal in dignity (Matt. 28:19; John 5:23; 2 Cor. 13:14; Rev. 22:13; cf. 21:6) (4) Perfect revealer (John 1:18; 14:9; Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:1-3) (5) Embodiment of truth (John 1:9, 14; 6:32; 14:6; Rev. 3:7,14) (6) Joint possessor of the kingdom (Eph. 5:5; Rev. 11:15), churches (Rom. 16:16), Spirit (Rom. 8:9; Phil. 1:19), temple (Rev. 21:Z), divine name (Matt 28:19; cf. Rev. 14:1), and throne (Rev. 22:1, 3) b. In relation to human beings (1) Recipient of praise (Mat 21:16-16; Eph. 6:19; 1 Tim. 1:12; Rev. 5:8-14) (2) Recipient of prayer (Acts 1:24; 7:59-60; 9:10-17,21; 22:16,19; 1 Cor. 1:2; 16:22; 2 Cor. 12:8) (3) Object of saving faith (John 14:1; Acts 10:43; 16:31; Rom. 10:8-13) (4) Object of worship (Matt 14:33; 28:9,17; John 5:23; 20:28; Phil 2:10-11; Heb. 1:6; Rev. 5:8-12) (5) Joint source of blessing (1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; 1 Thess. 3:11; 2 Thess. 2:16) (6) Object of doxologies (2 Tim 4:18; 2 Pet. 3:18; Rev. 1:5b-6; 5:13). B. Explicit Christology 1. Old Testament passages refering to Yahweh applied to Jesus a. Character of Yahweh (Exod. 3:14 and Isa 43:11 alluded to in John 8:68; Ps. 101:27-28 LXX 1MT 102:28-291 quoted in Heb. 1:11-12; Isa 44:6 aSuded to in Rev. 1:17) b. Holiness of Yahweh (Isa 8:12-13 [cf. 29:23] quoted in 1 Pet.3:14-15) c. Descriptions of Yahweh (Ezek. 43:2 and Dan. 10:6-6 alluded to in Rev. 1:13-16) d. Worship of Yahweh (Isa 45:23 alluded to in Phil. 2:10-11; Deut. 32:43 LXX and Ps. 96:7 LXX [MT 97:7] quoted in Heb. 1:6) e. Work of Yahweh in creation (Ps. 101:26 LXX [MT 102:27] quoted in Heb. 1:10) f. Salvation of Yahweh (Joel 2:32 [MT 3:5] quoted in Rom. 10:13; cf. Acts 2:21; Isa 40:3 quoted in Matt. 3:3) g. Trustworthiness of Yawheh (Isa 28:16 quoted in Rom. 9:33; 10:11; 1 Pet. 2:6) h. Judgment of Yahweh (Isa 6:10 alluded to in John 12:41; Isa 8:14 quoted in Rom. 9:33 and 1 Pet. 2:8) i. Triumph of Yahweh (Ps. 68:18 [MT v. 19] quoted in Eph. 4:8) 2. Divine titles claimed by or applied to Jesus a. Son of Man (Matt. 16:28; 24:30; Mark 8:38; 14:62-64; Acts 7:56) b. Son of God (Matt.11:27; Mark 15:39; John 1:18; Rom. 1:4; Gal.4:4; Heb. 1:2) c. Messiah (Matt. 16:16; Mark 14:61; John 20:31) d. Lord (Mark 12:36-37; John 20:28; Rom. 10:9, 1 Cor. 8:6-6; 12:3; 16:22; Phil. 2:11; 1 Pet. 2:3; 3:15) e. Alpha and Omega (Rev. 22:13; cf. 1:8; 21:6, of the Lord God) f. God (John 1:1,18; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1). 1. Jesus claims to be the Lord of the Sabbath, which to the Jews would have been a claim of being Yahweh God. (Cf. Mat. 12:8; Leviticus 23:3) 2. Jesus clearly refers to himself as God to the Gadarene demoniac (Cf. Luke 8:38-39) 3. Jesus claims to be Almighty in Revelation 1:7-8. 4. Jesus applies titles of God to himself, such as 5. a. First and the Last. (Cf. Isa. 48:12; Rev. 1:17-18, 22:12-13, 20) 6. b. I AM. (Cf. Isa. 48:12; John 8:58, 18:4-6) 7. Jesus forgives sins and heals, something which Yahweh does. (Cf. Mark 2:1-12; Psalm 103:3) 8. Jesus is the Source of Life and the Resurrection. (Cf. John 5:25, 28-29; 10:27; 11:25-26) 9. Jesus is to receive the same exact honor that the Father receives, which includes praying to him. In fact, to praise Jesus is to praise Yahweh. (Cf. Mat. 21:14-18-cf.- Ps. 8:2; John 5:22-23, 14:13-14) 10. Jesus is Omnipresent. (Cf. Mat. 18:20, 28:20; John 1:44-49; 14:21, 23; Ephesians 1:23, 4:10) 11. Jesus is Omniscient. (Cf. Mat. 11:27; John 16:30, 21:17; Rev. 2:23b- Jer. 17:10) 12. Jesus will judge all nations. (Cf. Mat. 25:31-33- Ezekiel 34:17; Rev.22:12- Isa. 40:10) 13. Jesus controls the sea. (Psalms‬ ‭89:9‬; Mat. 8:27)‬‬ The Holy Spirit is God: Matthew 12:31, John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Corinthians 3:17, 2 Corinthians 13:5, Acts 5:3-4, Romans 1:4, Romans 8:9-11, Hebrews 9:14, etc. What Is The Trinity?: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5imp2B8ds-aptU The Trinity Explained: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZniVhGiwnqmWhZI Is The Trinity Pagan?: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnLGdYlobJV3lZI Trinity in the Old Testament: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH_XZoGBiNiYZrs Pre-Christian Jewish Trinitarian Beliefs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/raOYZJaIr9mmg5o Jewish Recognition of Trinitarian Facts: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ml7Eh4Rugqp_m8k Trinity in the New Testament: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZK7m4mLZZqimqc

[@Jojohumf]

Bryson Townsend Tom not arguing against that

[@imnotgaybutmyboyfriendis1158]

Johnoè If you destroy the body the mind is also destroyed obviously! The soul isn't ! That's 2, not 3, therefore not being a trinity

[@Jojohumf]

To Be Happy Is To Travel The World no you’re wrong actually scientists have been able to preserve the mind of rats outside its body. I can crush you whole body as long as their is a method for oxygen to get to your brain you’ll survive added with nutrients you can survive indefinitely

[@thenutmegclub]

If you watch from 21:30 to 21:53, Bob summed up ever single Christian/Muslim debate perfectly.

[@thenutmegclub]

Correction - 'every single', not 'ever single'

[@JB-th9vz]

This guy needs to watch Christian Prince

[@gewargisgeorgios8186]

kzbin.info/door/bUF9A1EyENdfhH0IfnDoBQvideos

[@blackmancool9983]

Bob analysed it perfectly. The Quran doesnt deal with our beliefs but strawmans them. It thinks the Trinity is Mary Jesus and God.

[@Peter_gorge]

the world’s oldest recorded Marian prayer. It’s the Sub Tuum Praesidium, and it goes like this: Beneath your compassion, We take refuge, O Mother of God [Theotokos]: do not despise our petitions in time of trouble: but rescue us from dangers, only pure, only blessed one. John Rylands Papyrus 470, a prayer in Koine Greek to the Theotokos, written about 250 CE in brown ink, the earliest known copy of such a prayer. It was acquired by the Library in 1917.[7]

[@jamiesimms7084]

@@Peter_gorge which means that the origins of the trinity could be seen with Mary worship. It does strawman them if looked at the trinity composing of the holy spirit and not acknowledging how people interpret the trinity. However the origins of the trinity concept must have foundations of three god's worship and Mary worship amongst other things and must have developed from this.

[@user-jr7vc9dp7u]

@@Peter_gorge Theotokos does not mean "mother of God". It means "God-bearer".

[@yuvanwinanda2210]

So, I wonder how the Muslims back in the 8th century when the hadith didn't exist interpreted "obey the messenger". lol

[@jaynyc715]

yuvan winanda you are right!!! But do you think Muslims take the time to think about that or look into that??

[@darriuscole8544]

So what is the answer?

[@virgule888]

The answer is Bukhari ended up discrediting just about 98% of ahadith. All that we have today, that which is considered Sahih, account for as little as 2% of all that was being said about Momo no later than ~230 years after the facts. The notion of Islamic perfect preservation is a downright insult to humanity.

[@yuvanwinanda2210]

As far as I'm concerned whether it is the 8th or 21st century, you obey the message, not the messenger; unless, of course, he is also God.

[@bartconnolly6104]

virgule888 And that answer is mathematically impossible!

[@alexkastanjakastanja9494]

WELL EDUCATED BOB !! LOVE FROM INDONESIA , That muslim is a Nice guy , hE's totally different , comparing tO Hasheem "The confused one " , Hamid "The Thug Muslim" , Mohammed hijab "the Mocker " , Shamsi " The Chicken Run" , MANSUR " The DEBATE CHAMPION WANNA BE"

[@martybear2995]

I love this comment.

[@deusrex6230]

Shamsi is more fucked in the head than his prophet

[@alexkastanjakastanja9494]

X 95 Shamsi is a joke

[@dandybeano7312]

alexkastanja kastanja you have mentioned the bunch of lunatic, they speak loud when they cannot answer the question.

[@alexkastanjakastanja9494]

I forgot tO mention HAMZA " The Dogde EXPERT " hahaha .. All those Dawah Cant event deal The Superior OF our LORD , And Can even stand With The theology OF Christianity .. They always Said The Bible Contradict it self .. But theye're Just not objective when Justify it.. Theye're always Said that The Bible makes non sense , but yet in real life theye're Buying The science fiction movie .. My Questio tO those Muslim ARE simple Why ARE you guys Limited GOD Grace With you Dirty state OF mind ...

[@denisSwe]

this guy is different and it’s refreshing

[@brandonasif4074]

Yea hes more humble compared to the dawah team. Hes meant to be a Christian in his heart. He was just brought up around muslim culture

[@jospehj2518]

How did Muslims obey Mohammed during the 200 years before the ahadiths were compiled? Would a Muslim like to answer this question?

[@jospehj2518]

La Dondo Digression just proves you have no answer to the question, try again.

[@konradborowiecki]

I wonder if pure Mo teachings, whatever they were then, would result in a better (more peaceful) religion or not?

[@jospehj2518]

Konrad Borowiecki “I wonder if pure Mo teachings, whatever they were then, would result in a better (more peaceful) religion or not?” No, they wouldn’t Sahih Al Bukhari Vol 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 196. Narated By Abu Huraira : Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)

[@simplyamina5734]

Idoma lion bless be those who bash babies head on a rock, isn’t that in the bible? Blasphemy 3 Gods in one, paganism because Jesus was a sacrifice, for what sin when Adam and eve committed them and punished for / injustice God aren’t we all born pure?. Child rape as the bible says Mary was married off to Joseph at 12 years old? And lastly lots and lots of slavery something that was highly favoured by your God/Gods 😂😭

[@seanavp]

We need another dozen Bob's at Speakers Corner. Church's and Christian universities/colleges need well versed soul-winning apologists to form evangelistic cell groups and flood the park.

[@thedreamfc5439]

First and foremost Bob your workrate on Sunday was incredible. So many great videos!. Now the young man I thought was sincere but at the end of his discussion with Hatun as she spoke he looked at the camera and shook his head and smerked. I pray for him (as well as others) as he seems a nice lad but I'm sceptical of his sincerity when he's playing dumb on standards and logics he uses to try stifle Bob's attempts at progression of the discussion. Bob made some great points, I hope the guy really is searching. He is intelligent, to intelligent to be defending Islam imho.

[@jamalkhan3708]

God bless Bob❤️✝️

[@samuelmann3660]

Refreshing to listen to an uninterrupted conversation without anyone having to raise their voice. Well done to both these guys and ofcourse the cameraman too.

[@anissueofursincerity]

Is it a conversation? To me is monologue and interrogation.

[@moonlightglo40]

We are all created in the image of God. Genesis 1:26 Take ourself for example: We have a Body “our flesh” Spirit that gives us life and Soul that gives feeling, desires, emotions. That makes us one being. These are three components within ourselves but we’re still one person. It’s Like our creator he himself is 3 in one. Spirit of God, “Jesus” that became flesh Holy Spirit (Soul) “ Counselor” three in one. Just like us. One can not be without the other. Take ourself for example again. when the body dies the spirit goes back to the father, the soul is what is eternal. And eternity will be based on who we give a life too. We will go to heaven or hell John 11:25 Jesus says to her I Am the resurrection and the life he who believes in me will live even though he dies.

[@michaelisabelle6491]

Good teaching ,God bless you both

[@rocketmanure6702]

Must be the best Muslim so far.. nice and calm

[@cirosolano8777]

The guy that said don't subscribe just got you another subscriber

[@johnbread1947]

Bob is such a clever guy. God bless you bro.

[@tommycapps9903]

This young man is stuck on a false claim and he doesn’t even realize it. It’s amazing how patient Bob the Builder is was with him.

[@gulligullible7242]

Thanks for clearing that up bob I means were has you been for fourteen hundred years bro we could have done with your clarity during the battle of boing but soo glad you came during my life it's richer for having you in it ! Peace

[@jamesdean5418]

Love Bob....... I'm heading to speakers corner to meet him 👍

[@theTruthwillsetyoufree]

All born-again Christians believe that God is ONE... God made human body for himself - (Philippians 2:7-10), named himself Jesus - (Matthew 1:21), laid down his life for us - (John 10:18), and rise up that human body - (John 2:19-21)... Even the devils believe, that there is ONE God, and tremble - James 2:19... There is only One name in which the devils tremble = the name of (Jesus)...

[@thenopasslook]

the Truth shall make you free Jesus is God A. Implicit Christology 1. Divine functions performed by Jesus a. In relation to the universe (1) Creator (John 1:3; Col. 1:16; Heb. 1:2) (2) Sustainer (1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3) (3) Author of life (John 1:4; Acts 3:15) (4) Ruler (Matt. 28:18; Rom. 14:9; Rev. 1:6) b. In relation to human beings (1) Healing the sick (Mark 1:32-34; Acts 3:6; 10:38) (2) Teaching authoritatively (Mark 1:21-22; 13:31) (3) Forgiving sins (Mark 2:1-12; Luke 24:47; Acts 6:31; Col. 3:13) (4) Granting salvation or imparting eternal life (Acts 4:12; Rom. 10:12-14) (5) Dispensing the Spirit (Matt. 3:11; Acts 2:17, 33) (6) Raising the dead (Luke 7:11-17; John 5:21; 6:40) (7) Exercising judgment (Matt. 25:31-46; John 5:19-29; Acts 10:42; 1 Cor. 4:4-6) 2. Divine status claimed by or accorded to Jesus a. In relation to his Father (1) Possessor of divine attributes (John 1:4; 10:30; 21:17; Eph. 4:10; Col. 1:19; 2:9) (2) Eternally existent (John 1:1; 8:58; 12:41; 17:5; 1 Cor. 10:4; Phil. 2:6; Heb. 11:26; 13:8; Jude 5) (3) Equal in dignity (Matt. 28:19; John 5:23; 2 Cor. 13:14; Rev. 22:13; cf. 21:6) (4) Perfect revealer (John 1:18; 14:9; Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:1-3) (5) Embodiment of truth (John 1:9, 14; 6:32; 14:6; Rev. 3:7,14) (6) Joint possessor of the kingdom (Eph. 5:5; Rev. 11:15), churches (Rom. 16:16), Spirit (Rom. 8:9; Phil. 1:19), temple (Rev. 21:Z), divine name (Matt 28:19; cf. Rev. 14:1), and throne (Rev. 22:1, 3) b. In relation to human beings (1) Recipient of praise (Mat 21:16-16; Eph. 6:19; 1 Tim. 1:12; Rev. 5:8-14) (2) Recipient of prayer (Acts 1:24; 7:59-60; 9:10-17,21; 22:16,19; 1 Cor. 1:2; 16:22; 2 Cor. 12:8) (3) Object of saving faith (John 14:1; Acts 10:43; 16:31; Rom. 10:8-13) (4) Object of worship (Matt 14:33; 28:9,17; John 5:23; 20:28; Phil 2:10-11; Heb. 1:6; Rev. 5:8-12) (5) Joint source of blessing (1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; 1 Thess. 3:11; 2 Thess. 2:16) (6) Object of doxologies (2 Tim 4:18; 2 Pet. 3:18; Rev. 1:5b-6; 5:13). B. Explicit Christology 1. Old Testament passages refering to Yahweh applied to Jesus a. Character of Yahweh (Exod. 3:14 and Isa 43:11 alluded to in John 8:68; Ps. 101:27-28 LXX 1MT 102:28-291 quoted in Heb. 1:11-12; Isa 44:6 aSuded to in Rev. 1:17) b. Holiness of Yahweh (Isa 8:12-13 [cf. 29:23] quoted in 1 Pet.3:14-15) c. Descriptions of Yahweh (Ezek. 43:2 and Dan. 10:6-6 alluded to in Rev. 1:13-16) d. Worship of Yahweh (Isa 45:23 alluded to in Phil. 2:10-11; Deut. 32:43 LXX and Ps. 96:7 LXX [MT 97:7] quoted in Heb. 1:6) e. Work of Yahweh in creation (Ps. 101:26 LXX [MT 102:27] quoted in Heb. 1:10) f. Salvation of Yahweh (Joel 2:32 [MT 3:5] quoted in Rom. 10:13; cf. Acts 2:21; Isa 40:3 quoted in Matt. 3:3) g. Trustworthiness of Yawheh (Isa 28:16 quoted in Rom. 9:33; 10:11; 1 Pet. 2:6) h. Judgment of Yahweh (Isa 6:10 alluded to in John 12:41; Isa 8:14 quoted in Rom. 9:33 and 1 Pet. 2:8) i. Triumph of Yahweh (Ps. 68:18 [MT v. 19] quoted in Eph. 4:8) 2. Divine titles claimed by or applied to Jesus a. Son of Man (Matt. 16:28; 24:30; Mark 8:38; 14:62-64; Acts 7:56) b. Son of God (Matt.11:27; Mark 15:39; John 1:18; Rom. 1:4; Gal.4:4; Heb. 1:2) c. Messiah (Matt. 16:16; Mark 14:61; John 20:31) d. Lord (Mark 12:36-37; John 20:28; Rom. 10:9, 1 Cor. 8:6-6; 12:3; 16:22; Phil. 2:11; 1 Pet. 2:3; 3:15) e. Alpha and Omega (Rev. 22:13; cf. 1:8; 21:6, of the Lord God) f. God (John 1:1,18; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1). 1. Jesus claims to be the Lord of the Sabbath, which to the Jews would have been a claim of being Yahweh God. (Cf. Mat. 12:8; Leviticus 23:3) 2. Jesus clearly refers to himself as God to the Gadarene demoniac (Cf. Luke 8:38-39) 3. Jesus claims to be Almighty in Revelation 1:7-8. 4. Jesus applies titles of God to himself, such as 5. a. First and the Last. (Cf. Isa. 48:12; Rev. 1:17-18, 22:12-13, 20) 6. b. I AM. (Cf. Isa. 48:12; John 8:58, 18:4-6) 7. Jesus forgives sins and heals, something which Yahweh does. (Cf. Mark 2:1-12; Psalm 103:3) 8. Jesus is the Source of Life and the Resurrection. (Cf. John 5:25, 28-29; 10:27; 11:25-26) 9. Jesus is to receive the same exact honor that the Father receives, which includes praying to him. In fact, to praise Jesus is to praise Yahweh. (Cf. Mat. 21:14-18-cf.- Ps. 8:2; John 5:22-23, 14:13-14) 10. Jesus is Omnipresent. (Cf. Mat. 18:20, 28:20; John 1:44-49; 14:21, 23; Ephesians 1:23, 4:10) 11. Jesus is Omniscient. (Cf. Mat. 11:27; John 16:30, 21:17; Rev. 2:23b- Jer. 17:10) 12. Jesus will judge all nations. (Cf. Mat. 25:31-33- Ezekiel 34:17; Rev.22:12- Isa. 40:10) 13. Jesus controls the sea. (Psalms‬ ‭89:9‬; Mat. 8:27)‬‬ The Holy Spirit is God: Matthew 12:31, John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Corinthians 3:17, 2 Corinthians 13:5, Acts 5:3-4, Romans 1:4, Romans 8:9-11, Hebrews 9:14, etc. What Is The Trinity?: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5imp2B8ds-aptU The Trinity Explained: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZniVhGiwnqmWhZI Is The Trinity Pagan?: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnLGdYlobJV3lZI Trinity in the Old Testament: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH_XZoGBiNiYZrs Pre-Christian Jewish Trinitarian Beliefs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/raOYZJaIr9mmg5o Jewish Recognition of Trinitarian Facts: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ml7Eh4Rugqp_m8k Trinity in the New Testament: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZK7m4mLZZqimqc

[@francmittelo6731]

So, a perfect god created a sinful world, and the only way he could save it was by committing suicide, and even after his suicide, he wasn't able to save his sinful creation. It makes no sense.

[@thenopasslook]

Franc Mittelo No. God created a perfect world that was ruined by sin in the fall. Even Muslims believe that. God did not commit suicide in the atonement because God did not kill Himself. Salvation has been given to creation and the created in an already-but-not-yet manner. Christians have been liberated from a slavery to sin (past) and will be saved from the final judgment/wrath of God in the future. You cannot be saved from your sin and will be condemned by God if you do not obey what God has commanded you: “Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him. And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:21-24‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[@borneandayak6725]

I'm Catholic, not a born-again Christians...

[@francmittelo6731]

Perfection cannot ruin perfection. Either the world is perfect as it is or god is not perfect. You can't have your cake and eat it too. For example, if a surgeon sterilizes all his instruments and puts them in a perfect environment where pathogens cannot reach them, then those instruments will always be sterile. If they are no longer sterile, then the surgeon is not perfect. There is a concept of "suicide by police." An individual who wants to die, commits a crime so a police officer can show up and kill it. So, god committed 'suicide by Roman soldiers" by knowing that they were going to kill him for his actions. It is suicide.

[@gazza1113]

Wow isn't it lovely to see a Christian and Muslim have a dialogue without other Muslims heckling and being offensive.This young chap has an open heart and Bob is so brilliant at trying to explain our religion,you can only hope and pray that there is more Muslims like him because he is a credit to his religion.Great work Bob

[@darsom2717]

+Soco Films This is the best discussion I have seen at SC to date, even with concord passing by every few minutes. A small price to pay to see such glorification of Jesus on the screen! Please pass brother Bob my blessings and thanks, great big Northern Irish one's, and you lot as well, thank you, and God bless you all.

[@elroygertze8115]

34:53 "3 qurans not 1 including a black rock" hahahah

[@simplyamina5734]

Is this how Jesus behaved?, look at the Muslim young man he easily dismissed the other Muslim man while this guy was shouting back embarrassing man lol

[@everlastthomas3549]

God bless you Bob n Soco films brethren. The Bible presents a PERSON as a substance that can do personal and relational things (such as speaking, thinking, feeling, acting). Something that does these personal things in relationship-like God, angels, and human beings-is a person. The Holy Spirit 1. The Spirit teaches and reminds. 2. The Spirit speaks. 3. The Spirit makes decisions. 4. The Spirit can be outraged. 5. The Spirit is all knowing. 6. The Spirit can forbid or prevent human speech and plans. 7. The Spirit searches everything and comprehends God’s thoughts. 8. The Spirit apportions spiritual gifts. 9. The Spirit helps us, intercedes for us, and has a mind. 10. The Spirit bears witness to believers about their faith. 11. The Spirit bears witness to Christ. 12. The Spirit glorifies Christ, takes what is Christ, and declares it to believers.

[@denisSwe]

bobs point is awesome im going to use it

[@borneandayak6725]

The bes explanation was human himself...a human was one being consisted spirits, soul and mind; YHWH was one in three persons, The Father, The Logos and The Holy Spirits.

[@eddiejcarmichael]

Thank you Bob. Many of my Christian friends are horrified with all the shouting, which to be fair they don't understand. So to witness your witness to one Muslim is a blessing. I will use this video .

[@anissueofursincerity]

I do not think he makes arguments. He just insists and insists. He is dominant. Like an inquisitor.

[@danielanthony8373]

We need alot more Bobs

[@darsom2717]

+Soco Films The Spirit working through Bob is astounding to watch. I do believe He is also working on Ishaq Usama's heart and mind as well. Praise be to the true God Jesus Christ, Emmanuel! God bless you guys, all of you, you are fearless soldiers for Christ. Amen.

[@samyako9701]

God bless your work

[@swingingm]

Damn, Bob is good! Great conversation!

[@truthfinder3772]

Good job Bob

[@ge7167]

God used the analogy of Father and Son because that is the highest form of relationship in human life.

[@earthenvessel7952]

The Scriptures clearly indicate that Christ is the only begotten Son of God.

[@anissueofursincerity]

26"38 "All" and "all things" appears in the Bible too. And it is used to mean all with exceptions, and all withing a given category.

[@elvininfante373]

Why don’t the SOCO FILMS use 1John 5:7. It kills The entire Muslim community because this is the question that they love to ask. Where does it says that the 3 are one. “For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.” ‭‭I John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@froyaw7239]

Love it, let the bible speak. The whole of chapter 2nd thessalonians 2 key verse 11 explains alot.

[@NayNate725]

This is very good discussion. The Muslim guy I give probs for being honest and humble.

[@moeesco36]

Soco Films do you have any current videos of people coming to Christ with this great work? Just curious.

[@samwhitecloak1211]

Just fort of an idea you could probly use, when someone gets debunked how about changing the colour of the screen to a different colour? like when bob debunks other guy at 8:56 and as he does it theres an actual change of colour on the screen unless it was done entensionaly :))

[@davids9885]

Love you Bob you are truly amazing. Please keep posting more videos and thank you. You inspire me to pick up the bible and study more about my belief.

[@2ndAmFirearmEd]

The Trinity is like water. GOD is manifest in 3 different forms in a similar way. The same bucket of water can be water, ice or steam depending on the conditions, but it's always the same water. GOD is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit manifesting Himself in the way that is appropriate to get His message across, but always as the same Divine Being.

[@anthonytreen6253]

Ken Evans You are a modalist.

[@konradborowiecki]

How do we know that all forms refer to exactly the same god?

[@blackmancool9983]

This is the most humble Muslim I have ever seen. Such a conversation is a blessing cos usually the Muslim starts screaming and shit. Shouting something about a snackbar....and a guy named Allen.

[@martybear2995]

A 1000 thumbs up

[@mphomkhalipi6537]

Jackson Jones I think he is a newly convert remember the first debate the dawa team were trying to protect him from leaving Islam. Bob needs to ask him about the Tawhid see how he will explain that.

[@tambambowa6565]

Bob may continue to impact knowledge in you, am really impressed by preaching

[@everlastthomas3549]

Bob about his question on Jewish scripture on nature if God (Trinity), David in Psalm 110, Psalm 45 n psalm 51 demonstrates God as more than one person. Daniel 7 - 12, Isaiah 9:6-7 , etc I watched a Rabbi unable to explain Psalm 45 where The Father calls the Son God n literally admitted there is much pertaining to oness of God by Jews understanding n what their scripture teaches. It's the fault of the shepherd's teaching God's Word failing to explain such verses to the masses n simply stating wrongfully that the OT teaches that God is one person. It doesn't, David in Spirit uttered different understanding of God as Triune, Moses too, Daniel, Jeremiah, Zachariah etc Muslims pick up a bible n study it though you can't understand it fully but OT n NT both present the being of God as three persons.

[@egyptianmocha]

I think the "egg" analogy is a good one. The shell, the egg white, the yolk together is all called the "egg". I think we should use this analogy more. Maybe he would have had less problems understanding.

[@truthwins923]

Christianity is bread and butter for the Muslim religion...

[@johnkttraining]

My man with the Nike suit is back!

[@hamzacavus2932]

Reply to Bob @ 14:30 *Shahada for the oneness of Allah in Quran:* شَهِدَ اللَّهُ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ وَالْمَلَائِكَةُ وَأُولُو الْعِلْمِ قَائِمًا بِالْقِسْطِ ۚ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ - 3:18 _Allah witnesses that there is no deity except Him, and [so do] the angels and those of knowledge - [that He is] maintaining [creation] in justice. There is no deity except Him, the Exalted in Might, the Wise._ *And the Shahada for Muhammad (pbuh) being Allah's messenger:* إِذَا جَاءَكَ الْمُنَافِقُونَ قَالُوا نَشْهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ اللَّهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُ وَاللَّهُ يَشْهَدُ إِنَّ الْمُنَافِقِينَ لَكَاذِبُونَ - 63:1 _When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah ." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars._

[@WolfBenjamite]

Well done Bob.

[@samueljony938]

Well done brother Bob

[@Speakers154]

I was reading from book 2 of the Panarion of Epiphanius of Salamis (c375) on heresies today. Not one for pulling punches, he has one section entitled "Against Arian Nuts"! I found two references to Petra that I found helpful in explaining the tradition that led to a Muhammad figure. (I take it as a given that Petra, not Mecca, was where Islam began.) Ever wonder why Muhammad is mentioned just 4 times in the Quran, while Moses is mentioned 136 times? This might explain it. Epiphanius writes in 375 Ad "the natives of Petra in Arabia, which is called Rokum and Edom, were in awe of Moses because of his miracles, and at one times they made an image of him, and mistakenly undertook to worship him." 136 times in the Quran, written in Petra. Again, why does the Quran from Petra mistakenly make the blunder that Mary is part of the trinity? Again, there is a precedent for this too. "This is also done in the same way in the city of Petra, in the temple of the idol. (Petra is the capital city of Arabia, the scriptural Edom.) They praise the virgin with hymns in the Arab language calling her, in Arabic, Chaamu - that is Core or Virgin. And the child who is born of her they call Dusares, that is, the Lord's only begotten." He also lists the bishop of Petra and the bishop of Arabia as signatories to a creed issued by the Council of Seleucia in Syria, which was agreeable to various Arian and semi-Arian factions, suggesting that Petra had some sympathy with Arian beliefs, particularly regarding whether Christ was the Son of God. I should point out that this was a fluid history. Mar Sawma with 40 monks in 423AD impressed with a rain miracle that even outlying Pagan priests converted. It is likely the Catholics and Arians co-existed until Muhammad's re-ignition of long festering controversies. In 1998, carbonised records from the basilica of St Mary of Petra reveal a thriving Christian community of 350 parishioners at the time it was burned to the ground by Muhammad and his followers. (Scientists were able to read records of baptisms and marriages. They also show that vineyard owners were paying a tax of 47%!) . With such high taxation and grievances about money, Muhammad took advantage of the situation turning the largely Arian mercenaries on their Christian neighbours. That's how I see it.

[@kieran296]

Great Research! Should make a video on your discovers brother

[@Speakers154]

I will as soon as I get home. I'm currently cycling through 40c of heat in the south of France with a laptop whose charger that no longer works! :) thanks for the encouragement, I look forward to getting back making videos on my return. Looks like Bob has been knocking the Islamic skittles with ease, no wonder the Dawah tag team are running scared.

[@Speakers154]

If you mean pedantically the word Trinity, then no, it doesn't. But neither does it mention Taweed. However, it does reference the concept, for example, 5:116 nd when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden? There is a reference there to 3 gods, albeit it is an erroneous presentation of the trinity. So you are liar! It is there. But I will add more: 5:73 They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve. Again, the trinity is referred to falsely as 3 gods. So you are a blatant liar and Islam is false too.

[@Speakers154]

Pseudo scholarship? Looking up old books and reporting one's findings truthfully is neither pseudo nor a conspiracy theory, you are an idiot. Seriously, empty rhetoric like you love to spout is no substitute for reading what ancient historians actually wrote. You are a complete idiot!

[@Speakers154]

No surprise. I already anticipated that you'd want the exact word. You are a dumb pedant. You really are a special kind of stupid.

[@runfromyourwife9594]

Good conversation.

[@hgkal808]

If the brother continues to seek truth he will find the truth thru Bob. The casting down of culture and tradition is a huge stronghold. This brother fights for it with all timidity.

[@martybear2995]

This guy listens instead of shouting over you Bob, Lol you didn't have to talk loud wow. God bless you all.

[@peaceloveshalom830]

The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to perfectly and completely understand it .... The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain .... God is infinitely greater than we are; therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God .... The Bible also teaches that there is only ONE God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind ..... However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible. The Trinity is ONE God existing in 3 Persons ..... Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting 3 Gods ... Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture .... This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God - three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who are God .... Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture .... The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity :- 1) There is one God (Deut 6:4; 1 Cor 8:4; Gal 3:20; 1 Tim 2:5). 2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Gen 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matt 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Cor 13:14) .... In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used ... In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used .... The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two .... While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity. In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit .... Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking .... Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism ..... Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son .... Matt 28:19 and 2 Cor 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity. 3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Gen 19:24; Hosea 1:4) .... The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Prov 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Num 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9) .... In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17) .... This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father ... Was He speaking to Himself? NO .... He spoke to another Person in the Trinity - the Father. 4) Each member of the Trinity is God : The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2) The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Col 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Cor 3:16). 5) There is subordination within the Trinity ..... Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son ..... and the Son is subordinate to the Father .... This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity .... This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21 and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14. 6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks .... The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Cor 8:6; Rev 4:11); .... divine revelation (Rev 1:1); ..... salvation (John 3:16-17); ...... and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10) ..... The Father initiates all of these things. The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Cor 8:6; John 1:3; Col 1:16-17); .... divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matt 11:27; Rev 1:1); ...... and salvation (2 Cor 5:19; Matt 1:21; John 4:42) .... The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent. The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works : creation and maintenance of the universe (Gen 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); ..... divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Eph 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); ..... salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); ..... and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38) ..... Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit. There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity .... However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate .... The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself ...... The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are NOT parts of God; each of them IS God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity .... Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water ..... The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are NOT forms of God, each of them IS God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate as an infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear .... The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God - but there is only one God ..... That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature as scripture says, "Oh the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God ! .... How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out ! .... Who has known the mind of the Lord? ...... Or who has been his counselor ?” (Romans 11:33-34)

[@achildofthelight4725]

Father Son Holy spirit are a God head..... just as a father mother and child are a family. A unity of the same structure.

[@okiedokiecookie]

Three Persons are distinct expressions of One Being - God. Just as one can be a father, a friend, and an inspiration to people. So also God express his ability of Law Giver, Sustainer, Saviour, Teacher, Inspiration, Guidance in a way we can relate and experience in a meaningful way.

[@edmundmoses9168]

The best example is the tree behind. The tree is God the Father The branch is Jesus the Son The leaf is the Holy Spirit And the 3 parts of the tree play an important role and yet they are one. Same thing with Trinity. Trinity is unified Just as the tree is with the branch and leaf.

[@jxcess3891]

Edmund Moses That's a bad example

[@kieran296]

No it isn't, that's a great example.

[@bartconnolly6104]

Actually it is modalism I would think. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYKvl5qXitSEedk

[@bartconnolly6104]

Your right! I meant to correct that and forgot wHere I had posted this. I was just giggling at "[pause] That's Modalism Patrick!" When I should have been thinking "that's Partialism Patrick" :) Its very rare I have to correct myself but thanks for reminding me what I meant to correct yesterday. I don't however agree that only 5% of Christianity is Christian.

[@ranferchristian8050]

what do you understand man? whenever Bob question him, "I don't have idea. I don't know". But he understands his God Allah has legs, hands, shin... what the heck???????????

[@clarkkent5433]

Another way to look at it ... is if we consider god to be water ..water can exist in three states solid liquid and gas ...it’s still water irrespective of what state it’s in

[@christopheralexandrou9294]

In a nut shell, one person is mind, body, and soul , still one person, mind , God , Jesus , body and soul ,Holly spirit.

[@radi8vibes592]

Thats a strong young man you're working up broady. Lol them other big Muslims can't take a blow like this lil bro.

[@MandoMohan]

Each person of the Godhead has His own identity. There are three of them. They are one God.

[@Shadow-l3h5]

First time seeing a calm muslim in speakers corner.

[@nadeemhanif6161]

The kid is way to smart for bob..and bob dont even realise it.

[@tolisgalantis4896]

In addition to Bob's comments: 1) 'Being' defines what sth is; 'Person' defines who sth is. In the Trinity we say there are three Persons (who) in one Being (what). This is not a contradiction. 2) In Matthew 28:19 we are told to baptise in the name (singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One name ie YHWH for the 3 Divine Persons. This is a single verse supporting only those 3 Persons in the Trinity 3) Psalm 82:6 names humans 'gods', but never are humans addressed by the Divine Name YHWH. However, we can show that Father, Son and Spirit are addressed as YHWH in the Bible, and no One else is addressed as YHWH 4) Muslims seem to think of God in terms of space-time as in this dimension we inhabit, where one human being is also one person; there is no reason why God, who is independent of space, time and matter and has been before time, space and matter has existed cannot be three Persons in one Being. Also, Muslims don't seem to understand other Theological concepts such as distinction of Persons not impliying separation; eternal generation; functional subordination etc. Bob, if you are at the Corner this weekend, it'd be good to have a few mins chat about these things, God willing. Warm Christian greetings

[@judaspriest1071]

If this smart Muslim could not understand "the trinity".. we can not expect no Muslims to understand it .. Bob tried his best several times ...

[@ge7167]

Halleluja!!! This is the day of salvation. God so love the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ that whosoever believe in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

[@Peter_gorge]

the world’s oldest recorded Marian prayer. It’s the Sub Tuum Praesidium, and it goes like this: Beneath your compassion, We take refuge, O Mother of God [Theotokos]: do not despise our petitions in time of trouble: but rescue us from dangers, only pure, only blessed one. John Rylands Papyrus 470, a prayer in Koine Greek to the Theotokos, written about 250 CE in brown ink, the earliest known copy of such a prayer. It was acquired by the Library in 1917.[7]

[@anissueofursincerity]

16"15 John 10 uses "good shepherd" for Jesus. There lots of shepherds in the OT. God in the OT definitely shepherds and is called "shepherd", "my shepherd" Cyrus of Persia is also called shepherd, my shepherd. Does that make Cyrus God?

[@willieabasiama]

I love this Muslim, he is a sincere seeker and he'll find God.

[@truthinlove7970]

Hey Bob, this guy was sent in by the Dawah team to wind you up. He's clearly not trying to engage with the argument.

[@simplyamina5734]

Paranoid Christian 😂😂😂😂

[@hamzacavus2932]

Reply to Bob @ 16:45 وَأَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَاحْذَرُوا ۚ فَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّمَا عَلَىٰ رَسُولِنَا الْبَلَاغُ الْمُبِينُ - 5:92 _And obey Allah and obey the Messenger and beware. And if you turn away - then know that upon Our Messenger is only [the responsibility for] clear notification._ Bob said: "What happens when the messenger dies? You just obey Allah" God is the most efficient in expressing any meaning. All Quranic words are chosen by God to convey a precise meaning. We never read anywhere in the Quran words like “Obey God and obey Muhammad” or obey Jesus, or Moses……….always the word messenger……..this is to emphasise once again that what is to be obeyed is the “message” of God and not the personal words or views of the messenger. As mentioned earlier, the word Messenger is derived from the word Message. If there were no message there would not be a messenger. To Obey the Messenger would thus mean to obey the message he is delivering. [source: muslimsforallah.com/obey-god-and-obey-the-messenger/] So hadith is the message which comes from the messenger. And the message (hadith in this case) prevails whether the messenger passes away or lives. So in fact Quran says to use hadith. Bob's claim proven wrong.

[@joymercy3727]

Moon, you say "God is the most efficient in expressing any meaning. All Quranic words are chosen by God to convey a precise meaning." The god of the koran can not possibly be seen as efficient, when most Muslim cannot read, write or understand his words. That makes the "allah" of the koran inefficient and a his limits are a deficiency.

[@hamzacavus2932]

you are bringing arguments which i could just turn at you since your bible was in aramaic as it's original form but later changed and changed and.... changed ..So that the intended meaning of God was lost. This is a tragedy for christians. I'm serious in this. You don't have the original bible scriputre anymore but changed, edited and added version of bible(s).. How is your God efficient when his word can be changed? Isn't it better to have at least the original but don't understand it than have a changed version which is not the original intended message of god therefore preaching and teaching false beliefs to the believers? Muslim who do not understand Quran will still believe in the correct Islam while a christian who understands the Bible will believe in a distorted fake christianity. I'm sorry to say this..

[@unmaskingfools8152]

For those that don't understand trinity...Man will not fully understand God and comprehend him. How can man understand God when they do not understand themselves when we think about it.

[@jeonesevenv9]

Excellent video. Clearly shows how much muslims aren't interested in learning ,but in only pushing their own ideas, even if they are conspicuously refuted.

[@millerpatrick]

Well done Bob. And respect to the other Person.

[@guyhero]

can the atomicity of thing (water, air, etc) be used to explain the concept of one God in 3 persons?

[@omnitheus5442]

Like this young Muslim man though. He seems genuine in his attempts to find the truth even though he believes the Quaran is God's word. I hope we are all praying that he will accept Jesus!

[@atticusnow131]

The term "Hadith" has another meaning.... *Hadith also means STORY* The term "Sura" also has another meaning.... *Sura also means FACE*

[@anthonyr963]

so "obey the messenger" means go to the hadiths assembled 200 years later ?

[@simplyamina5734]

It doesn’t say worship, why we worshiping another human. This is blasphemy and paganism.

[@alpha_omega1]

Oh my goodness! How tiring it is to get an abdool to engage with clear logic. This guy keeps saying "I don't know, I'm not sure", but then he makes demands the Christian must explain!

[@loriskayepsalms2539]

Muslim need to understand there are 2 categories; The Being God has specific Attributes + ontological status or WHAT God is. We believe in ONE WHAT/God that simultaneously subsists in Three separate centers of intentiality or WHOs. When we say persons we don't mean people or beings, we mean three WHOs (centers of intentiality) in one WHAT (God). There is no category fallacy.

[@michaelb8610]

You need to go easy on the brother Bob, the poor guy was about to cry

[@bahookee9502]

The Muslim just contradicted himself he says we are to obey Allah and obey the Messenger the hadeeth of the Quran says pray Salat three times a day yet The Hadeeth(s) “the sayings of Muhammad” says to pray five times a day. Which has more prominence and importance the word of Allah or the word of Mohammed clearly the word of Mohammed has more important then the word of Allah because you have to choose between three verses five which is a clear differential in numeric acts!

[@LB_die_Kaapie]

What's with the change in colour??

[@SocoFilms]

J .dV .... I’m not sure, maybe a KZbin technical glitch!

[@westernriteorthodox8719]

It looks cool tbh lol

[@imnotgaybutmyboyfriendis1158]

Éire Críostaíocht no it doesn't

[@henryelemuo5824]

Muslims believe that Quran is eternal , believe that Allah is their God and Muhammad is the messenger. There you have their version of Trinity: Quran , Muhammad and Allah

[@anissueofursincerity]

31:20 So he is saying poetry cannot include factual accuracy, and letters cannot include poetry? I guess it depends on how it serves his theology. The point is Jesus himself sited the passage to point out that the terms gods can refer those to whom the word of God came.

[@jimmy_kirk]

I think it might be easier to explain the "3 persons, 1 being" aspect of the trinity by referencing multiple personality disorder. Or by referencing videos games, in which a person (God) creates a Steam account (the holy spirit) to play on their Call of Duty account (Jesus). Trying to debate the "3 Qurans, 1 Quran" seems to just produce a negative response, as it forces them to change their views of their beliefs in order to accept this understanding.

[@Speakers154]

I think we are being naive about Muhammad. He was well aware about Christian beliefs about the trinity. We need to understand that he is applying Athanasius' criticism of semi-Arians, who by saying Jesus is like or similar to God is effectively dividing the Trinity into 3 gods. Muhammad followed the most extreme Arian position which denied Jesus' divinity in order to avoid a polytheist conclusion. He was an Arian Catholic, who made a final and violent break with the Catholic Church, because he believed they "covered up" the truth by suppressing heretic gnostic gospels, that was why he called them "kafirs", the root of the word means to cover. Petra was already fully Christianised 2 centuries before Muhammad, so the only honest conclusion is that he was a vestige of Arianism that survived attempts to suppress it in the late 4th century. For those who doubt that Petra was where it happened. It is an historical fact that Petra was the capital of Arabia (as reported by Epiphanius in 375AD) so how could Mecca be the Mother of all cities ? and Petra was at the crossroads of trade (though even they struggled for trade when the Romans diverted the caravans further north in the first century AD). The first mosques point to Mecca until 740Ad. Petra was 50 miles from Jerusalem so he didn't need a flying horse to get there in a day. There is no loamy soil, olive trees, streams or grass in Mecca: so clearly on every level Mecca doesn't work. As someone who comes from a rural area, I can tell you it was impossible to support thousands of camels and horses with fodder and water in Mecca that gets 4 inches of rain a year and rarely dips below 40c. Pure fantasy!

[@timv779]

The angel Gabriel tells Mary that she will carry the [son of Yahweh] *luke 1: 26 - 38, and the angel tells Joseph the baby inside Mary is conceived from the [holy spirit] *matthew 1: 20 - 21. So god the father/creator, and god the holy spirit... and now [Jesus/Ieshua] who is aware of who he is, someone who has the authority to forgive sins, perform miracles, raises the dead Lazarus and clearly states he is the alpha AND the omega. Jesus does not claim to be a prophet among men, and based upon the old and new testament where god is identified in the bible is the logic behind Christians proclaiming God the father, son and holy spirit. The word trinity does not exist, but the concept of it does.

[@D0csavage1]

In John's Gospel Jesus is identifying Himself with the significant and symbolic words: I AM, ego ami, which reminds us of Yahweh's revelation of Himself to Moses 3 times as I AM in Exodus 3:13-14. In John's Gospel Jesus will use these words 26 times and in 7 different metaphors; each metaphor used with a predicate nominative: "I AM" with predicate nominative --"I AM" without predicate nominative 1. 6:35 "I AM the bread of life" --1. 8:24 "..if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." 2. 8:12 "I AM the light of the world" --2. 8:28 "When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I AM (He)" 3. 10:7 "I AM the gate for the sheep" --3. 8:58 "In all truth [Amen, amen] I tell you, before Abraham ever was, I AM." 4. 10:11 "I AM the good shepherd"-- 4. 13:19 "I tell you this now, before it happens, so that when it does happen you may believe that I AM (He)*" 5. 11:25 "I AM the resurrection and the life" 6. 14:6 "I AM the way and the truth and the life" 7. 15:1 "I AM the true vine" When we respond to the 3 persons of the godhead as though the 3 persons are God in identically the same way, we are failing to appreciate the hierarchical character of the Trinity. Hierarchy has two meanings. The first comes from two Greek words hieros and archein. Hieros means sacred and archein meaning to rule or order. Hierarchy in this first sense means a sacred rule or order. The Trinity is a hierarchy or sacred order for three reasons: Each of the Persons is distinct and different from the other two persons and each person in a different way relates to the other two Persons and to divine substance itself. Each Person is unique and singular. The Father possesses the divine substance in himself, the Son as received from the Father, the Holy Spirit as received from the Father and the Son. Each of the Persons fully possesses the divine substance, but each does so in a different way. Each Person also enjoys a unique relationship with the other two Persons by virtue of the fact that each is defined by his specific relation. The relation of the Father is different from both the relation of the Son and the relation of the Holy Spirit. This means that the three Persons, though inseparable, are not interchangeable or identical. The Father can do only those things appropriate to Fatherhood, the Son those things appropriate to Sonship, and the Holy Spirit those things appropriate to spiration. The Father therefore cannot do anything specifically bound up Sonship or spiration, the Son cannot do anything specifically bound up with Fatherhood or spiration, and the Holy Spirit cannot do anything specifically bound up with Fatherhood or Sonship. For example; the Father always commands, sends, and gives to the Son. The Son always obeys, is sent, and receives from the Father. The Holy Spirit is sent by the Father and the Son to teach and to guide. The three Persons of the Trinity are ordered to one another by virtue of their relationship to each other. The Father is the relation of paternity because He is ordered to the Son as Father. The Son is the relation of Filiation because he is ordered to the Father as Son. The Holy Spirit is the relation of passive spiration because he is spirated by the Father and the Son and ordered to them accordingly. The three Persons are defined as "Persons" by their relationship to one another, a relationship eternally rooted in the two - fold procession of the Son from the Father and the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son. They exist not only in distinction from one another but also within one another. The three Persons of the Trinity are totally dependent on one another. Although each possesses the fullness of the divine substance, each is not and cannot be God except in relationship to the other two. Each is incomplete without the other two. This means that while it is proper to say that the Father, for example is God, it is not proper to say that God is just the Father. But in another sense the word archein formed from the root of the Greek word arche, means first or beginning, or priority. Therefore hierarchy also means "sacred origin." Because the three Persons of the Trinity are coeternal, we cannot speak of the Trinity as having a temporal beginning. But we can speak of an ontological beginning or source of the Trinity. That source is the Father, who begets the Son and who, together with the Son, spirates the Holy Spirit, but who himself is unbegotten or ingenerate. We can speak of the Father as the source of everything, including the Trinity itself, for He is, as the Church Fathers pointed out, the "unoriginated origin." The Father therefore, enjoys priority within the Trinity, which is why He is always designated as the FIRST Person of the Trinity and which also enables us to understand why Jesus tells us that "the Father is greater than I" (John 14:28) Rom. 8:11 - the Spirit that raised Jesus up from the dead - Gal. 1:1 - God the Father raised Jesus from the dead. - John 2:18 - Jesus said "Destroy this temple, and in three days I WILL RAISE IT UP AGAIN."

[@hamzacavus2932]

Reply to Bob around 18:00 Bob's claim *How you know the quran meant to follow Muhammad (pbuh) hadith and not the quran as the quran refers to itself as a hadith* The problem here is that Bob picks the word hadith in ayat 39:23 and compares it to "obey Allah and obey the messenger". When in Quran it states out to obey Allah and obey the messenger it doesn't simply say to obey the hadith. In that case bob would be right. Which hadith is meant? But as I cleared out in my earlier comment and reply Allah is very precise in choosing words and Allah did not say to obey the hadith but the messenger (rasul) who is Muhammad (pbuh). Everything the messenger said is a hadith itself. So "obey Allah and obey the messenger" now gets a clear meaning as to which hadith is meant. The hadith of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Bob's claim proven wrong. And a real honest thing I wanted to add is when I read the ayat with "obey Allah and obey the messenger" I never had a confusion as to what is meant. I think when muslims read it there is no confusion about it. It's not an ambigious ayat in quran as bobs is trying to impose.

[@joymercy3727]

So by obeying Mohammed, muslims are following Arab culture.

[@hamzacavus2932]

In order to come to such a conclusion as you have one must distort my explanation above with a biased mind.

[@joymercy3727]

Perhaps I am distorting your explanation. I prefer authentic sources. Your explanation, with all due respect, is distorted. All of the evidence tells us where mohammeds invented religion came from. There has been nothing presented in 1,400 years that suggests anything but islam bows to arab cities and its culture. And that islam is for european looking muslims. It is not a religion for people of color. Check your koran for references of this.

[@hamzacavus2932]

Joy.. It is not a religion for people of color. What makes you think that?

[@chrisssmith3206]

i have a challenge, if eight men help write the book of john, do that mean those eight men were johnin that book???????

[@gewargisgeorgios8186]

I have a question, if Uthman burned all the other qurans and came up with his version of what the Quran should be then does that mean uthman authored/complied the quran and not allah aka muhammad's imagonation?

[@chrisssmith3206]

Baware Yneb, you kind of put that nicely, i understand what you mean and the answer would be that yes he is the new author of those complied books and he called it his own Quran, it would be his, but he plagiarized most of the content. it would be no difference that the Bible existing, then some guy by the name Mahammad coming along and starting his own religion and compiling the stories he wanted in his quran and saying that it was allah. anyone can take other ideas and claim to make it there own, people do it all the time. a lots of the stories in the bible can easily be read to mean the actual Sun and not the Son of God, yet that didn't stop man from making this man made up god the main sorce of the bible. most things in history has been plagiarized and then took ownership as being the original source. you can watch movies right now that producers and film makers have to the ideas of other film makers and made film with the same story and plot yet each movie may be the same yet it have different film makers. .

[@chrisssmith3206]

Borrowed, that is important to me if the man was this or that, i'm just trying to make people understand that man is the creator of all Gods they worship and this practice has been going on since ancient times. when do people wake up from believing in man made up Gods?????

[@konradborowiecki]

I think that if Islam was only thought off Koran it would be better religion for it, I would hope.