Jinjer Vortex: Shocked Band Teacher's Reaction!

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Bob Cieslinski

Bob Cieslinski

Күн бұрын

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@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
What a great song and a mind blower with the music, singing and visuals. Let me know your thoughts. Buy Jinjer Music Here: apple.co/3TErMlW Support the channel here: bobcieslinski.myspreadshop.com/ Join Channel Membership: bit.ly/BobCieslinskimembership More Jinjer Reactions: bit.ly/JinjerReactions Top Reaction Videos: bit.ly/TopReactions Check out these Select Reactions: bit.ly/SelectReactions Buy Apple Music Subscription Here: apple.co/3xl0Ey6
@Jinjer13
@Jinjer13 Жыл бұрын
I heard and read this in the last few years: What is crazy is that they've said that the guys compose the music first, then they give demos to Tatiana she finds inspiration for title and lyrics, and weaves her vocal composition into the guys' music. The guys have said they don't know what Tatiana is going to sing about until she shows up in the studio, and she's said that "they don't even ask me" about what the music should be. How that works so seamlessly is beyond me... thanx a lot for another great reaction on a great, great song, warm greetings from a german musician
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Hey nice to hear from you again. That totally blows me away. I feel like it usually works with lyrics first then the music to back it up. What a unique way of arranging and composing. It’s always amazing too!
@j.f.fisher5318
@j.f.fisher5318 Жыл бұрын
Eugene who is also the manager says they don't know what Tatiana is going to sing until they get to the studio. Tati has said "they don't even ask me" though she has a standing request for more reggae and they'll extend a part if she needs to get more lyrics in. I think they've gotta be composing with some idea that there has to be room for lyrics, but also Tatiana loves improvisation and with the Macro album that was composed with severe time constraints Eugene said she just came with lyrics and improvised the vocal composition. I feel like the emphasis on the musical composition first helps balance the creative input between Tatiana and the guys. Also, constraints can be a good spur for creativity, and since any of the guys can take the lead in composing a piece there's a lot of different inputs into the creative process and different musical ideas for Tati to use as a starting point for her work.
@hemlock399
@hemlock399 Жыл бұрын
I think what amazes me the most about the way they compose is just how well Tatiana manages to create vocal lines to rhythmically, harmonically and melodically fit with such rhythmically, harmonically and melodically complex and unconventional music.
@nickmoutos8308
@nickmoutos8308 Жыл бұрын
I've heard the same thing in several different interviews over the years. Not being a singer or musician, it sounds like a somewhat unorthodox way to write songs/music, but for them it just works beautifully! I saw a recent interview where the band is talking about their next album and Eugene was talking about how they Vladi and the guys compose the music and make the demos for Tati. He made it a point to say that with a vocalist like Tati who is able to sing multiple styles and vocal ranges, they don't have to restrict themselves in the music they compose. I thought that was a tremendous compliment and something that must certainly set them apart from almost any other band.
@christerfurberg6538
@christerfurberg6538 Жыл бұрын
Not only that, apparently she writes the lyrics in Russian first, and then translates them to English! And somehow, she makes the rhythm and rhymes fit. She has said herself that she doesn't quite know how she does it.
@palladinodessa8988
@palladinodessa8988 Жыл бұрын
The talent all 4 of them have is special - to have them all play together is exceptional! The way they can play together towards their intentions, have it be seamless, and still unconventional is the draw. I have seen them live 3 times and just can't wait for the next time! 🤘🤘
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
They would be so incredible to see live. I’ll go thr next time they come through my area. Such talented people.
@palladinodessa8988
@palladinodessa8988 Жыл бұрын
@@bobcieslinski You will not be disappointed. Jinjer is that band, the one I just get excited for, I watch in awe. They are also that band that you can just listen to live in front of you and no matter who you focus on, you can hear their part in the concert of music coming at you. Vlad is impeccable, Roman just makes it look effortless, and Eugene jams while missing not a note. Then you fix on Tati and really see how talented she is as she transitions and looks like a 16 year old just having so much fun.
@notimportant3686
@notimportant3686 Жыл бұрын
@@bobcieslinski ive seen them 4 times so far and it was excellent...
@steflevieuxcriss
@steflevieuxcriss 11 ай бұрын
@@bobcieslinski Saw them live in Sepramber in Montreal. I"ve been waiting for this for a few years, got blown off... GOOD FUCKING MUSICIANS
@capstan50g
@capstan50g Жыл бұрын
There's so much musical talent in this band. Their ensemble play always impresses, and the songwriting itself blends intricacy with anthemic motifs, with Tati's extreme vocals providing a wonderful seasoning. I love Jinjer. Great reaction, Bob.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! They are amazing musicians. They blow me away every time.
@Robertsmith-dy3sh
@Robertsmith-dy3sh Жыл бұрын
I love how they completely ignore the standard verse/chorus/verse song structure and just take you on a journey! Jinjer doing Jinjer things!
@1dognight166
@1dognight166 Жыл бұрын
The band being from Ukraine, glad to see them well . Heard how a few band members were stuck there when the war started. Soo glad there well.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Me too.
@PaleHorseShabuShabu
@PaleHorseShabuShabu Жыл бұрын
The song feels like a tornado spinning up. It starts off fairly calm but progresses into it namesake and takes us for a ride. What a ride it is, too!
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Sure is.
@Friskee62
@Friskee62 Жыл бұрын
JINJER, my all time favorite band. They are the BEST in the business...got to see them Aug. 12 in Syracuse, NY. Great sound. Tati has the best 'stage presence'. The players are at the TOP of their game...
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Wow you are lucky you got to see them. I’ll try next time they come. Such a fantastic and talented group.
@PRC533
@PRC533 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the groove in this song. It really hilights the close connection between jazz, rock and metal.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
That's a great point. There isn't much difference and the really great bands all seem to have that Jazz background with at least a few of their musicians.
@coder4liberty
@coder4liberty Жыл бұрын
This song is basically about the idea of thoughts and worries weighing you down and sucking you into a mental vortex. There is another complex song of theirs you might like for the same reason called Homeback.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Thanks I appreciate it.
@chriso6719
@chriso6719 Жыл бұрын
Hey Bob. My favorite song from the Wallflowers album. Love how low Tatiana gets near the end. She has said that the song is dedicated to everyone like her, that spends so much time thinking about their inner world, they start to be consumed by the dark thoughts. And says not to dive so deeply. I agree , Vlad is awesome, glad he has solidified the position. They had 4 other drummers in the 7 years before he joined in 2016.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Hey Chris! Man this band is something else. They are just some amazing amazing musicians. Such an interesting and awesome sound.
@spiderbass65
@spiderbass65 Жыл бұрын
Vlad has a great drum playtrough of this, and so does Eugene on bass. Even more impressive when you see them up close.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
I’ll check it out spiderbass.
@ralphwiggum6385
@ralphwiggum6385 Жыл бұрын
​@@bobcieslinskiPlease do! 👍😎🤘🇨🇦
@rongray9858
@rongray9858 Жыл бұрын
When too much negative energy gets in, chaos is imminent. It is hard to get that positive groove back.
@FHB71
@FHB71 Жыл бұрын
I love Jinjer, Their complexity is mind-blowing!
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
It sure is.
@DJ-qi4zz
@DJ-qi4zz Жыл бұрын
I could listen to you talk for hours ❤
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Thanks I appreciate it.
@ryanrivers1259
@ryanrivers1259 Жыл бұрын
His ghost hits are unbelievable
@digitalmouse3314
@digitalmouse3314 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I seen them live this song sent the mosh pit insane, its was crazy I was in the middle huge pit too. Highly reccomend its a sight to se even if you don't go in the energy is just electric.
@digitalmouse3314
@digitalmouse3314 Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah tatiana writes the lyrics after and matches the lyrics to the music then translates from Ukraine then to English.
@davidjames6036
@davidjames6036 Жыл бұрын
Interesting time signatures = Jinjer's whole discog 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jinjer - Perennial (Live at Wacken 2019) Jinjer - Pit of Consciousness (Live in Kiev) Jinjer - Pisces (Live Session) Jinjer - On The Top (Live in Kiev) Jinjer - Who Is Gonna Be The One (Official Live) Jinjer - Judgement & Punishment (Tatiana One Take Vocal) Jinjer - Teacher Teacher (Official Video) Jinjer - Captain Clock (Live at Resurrection Fest 2018)
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@hiawatha.g
@hiawatha.g Жыл бұрын
I agree re. Vlad. He is mind-blowing. They all are.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
For sure
@TomClark-Futoura
@TomClark-Futoura Жыл бұрын
Some people (reactors, too... they're people, right? ;-) think what they're seeing is a swirling vortex from space or something with some kind of awesome trash monster game-like character, when what they're actually witnessing is the brutal place that is Tatiana's troubled inner psyche of uncontrollable thoughts and emotions. Tati is such a complex, dichotomy of a richly talented yet sensitive and unassuming superstar. I simply love her, the guys and their awesomely powerful music. Thx, Bob!
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tom! Just a wild ride inside her mind right. Such a talented group of musicians.
@casting-maker
@casting-maker 2 ай бұрын
Cool music, vocal and video 🤘❤️
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski 2 ай бұрын
I just recorded one of their newer ones. Hope to have it out soon.
@rodneyramirez603
@rodneyramirez603 Жыл бұрын
TATIANA IS A BEAST!! She’s out of this world there is no one like her!! VLAD! Holy crap those time signatures and fills making everything swing, he’s going to change metal drumming!! ROMAN is the mechanics that keeps the melodic foundation solid for the rest of the band and especially TATIANA. He always lays the hooks and keeps it all engaging, interesting and just fills the voids!! Hell of a musician!! EUGENE!! GEEEZ THAT GUY HAS IT GOING ON!! His constant movement and weaving bass lines fit like a glove, the dude swings like a mutha boy! He’s someone to watch def…JINJER!!!!
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Great summation here Rodney. You can really hear those awesome elements these guys bring to the music. They are incredible musicians.
@reboot_2.00
@reboot_2.00 Жыл бұрын
World class videographer as well!
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
👍
@SuperLukeShapiro
@SuperLukeShapiro Жыл бұрын
So waiting to next Jinjer video! BTW, noce reaction
@SuperLukeShapiro
@SuperLukeShapiro Жыл бұрын
Pls, take next song "On the Top"
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Thanks I’ll try to get to another one soon.
@dixiefletcher1539
@dixiefletcher1539 Жыл бұрын
It’s okay, good musicians.
@randalljones4370
@randalljones4370 Жыл бұрын
On their YT channel, Jinjer has each of the three instrumentalists playing their part to this (and a few other) songs, in isolation. Each is amazing to watch. I honestly think that that, in some passages, Eugene and Roman write the 'strings part as if it is one giant 4 handed instrument, with a focus on interplay/counterpoint (if that's a thing) between the two musicians. To me, the bass line often paints a picture around the 'entire song's ' rhythm, in much the same way Vlad does... sorry, "words are hard" today, and I'm not typing my thoughts clearly. Example : in the mid-section, before the library is torn apart, just before the band plays that 7-legged-horse-gallop ("that's an interesting section")... listen to the slides from Eugene... rather than play in unison with Vlad, Eugene marks off a boundary around the meter with his slides... it keeps the time', but not in the conventional sense. So great, and it looks like it'd be fun to play. FYI. Roman tends to play very, very thick gauge strings. Notice how a note-bend is rarely (never?) heard from the guitar? I believe he often uses a 013 on the high E Not for the timid.... bring your flat-picking acoustic callouses to a Jinjer session.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Hey great thoughts here. I appreciate it. I’ll have to check those videos out. Thanks.
@candybanks8717
@candybanks8717 Жыл бұрын
So it's one man's descent into madness. They appear to be in a library, so representing his mind. Everything he is is lost in the collapse into the vortex of insanity. Tati takes her voice into the basement and digs a hole in this one😳
@cyberia55
@cyberia55 Жыл бұрын
Curiously, the “jumping” section you commented on is straight up 4:4 time signature. Vlad syncopates it a bit.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Missed it. It just had such an odd feel there.
@jeffmalloy8200
@jeffmalloy8200 Жыл бұрын
Based on what Tatiana said in her interview with Elizabeth at the Charismatic Voice. If I'm understanding their process correctly. The guys in the band come up with the musical score and send a recording of it to Tatiana and then she writes the lyrics to the song. Then they go into the studio and meld the two and work out the kinks.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
That’s a pretty cool way of doing things. Not the normal way. It works so good though.
@bernhardkulzer9125
@bernhardkulzer9125 Жыл бұрын
Wait to see Eugene`s bass play through then you see what crazy things he really does... 😁🤘
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Oh man I have to check that out.
@shaunbryan3421
@shaunbryan3421 Жыл бұрын
Tatiana has said that vortex is about dark thoughts. I'm guessing she was meaning more along the line of anxiety attacks but she couldn't find her words during that interview. In my opinion the chaotic nature of the music mixed with the lyrics correctly describe what it's like being in a full blown attack. Just speaking from personal experiences.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that info Shaun.
@guygourley2411
@guygourley2411 Жыл бұрын
Just went and rewatched some of your Unlucky Morpheus songs, and have to say, it's time for Dance of Eternity live. Talk about some tight work!!
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
I think I’ve got it on the list. Sounds great! I’ll have to bump it up.
@brandontolman7812
@brandontolman7812 Жыл бұрын
🤘👍
@brutalshow3364
@brutalshow3364 Жыл бұрын
🤘🇺🇦🤘
@Garrett14
@Garrett14 Жыл бұрын
Halfway through I kind of got scared
@samking6583
@samking6583 Жыл бұрын
Top of the class in their fields, pretty much convinced Vlad is AI, cant be human ! hell the whole band is from the planet "Here, hold my beer"
@pvdaele
@pvdaele Жыл бұрын
Interesting time signature? That part was in 4/4.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Yep I’ve figured it out after the fact. The rhythms were pretty complicated having it a whole different feel.
@Abcg59
@Abcg59 Жыл бұрын
Most progressive rock hops through time signature. Varying time signatures is the defining attribute of progressive. And also long songs 😂
@guygourley2411
@guygourley2411 Жыл бұрын
I’m going to guess that due to AI that the development of music videos has significantly improved. Years ago those effects would probably have been prohibitive in cost. I’m still not a Tatiana fan but I certainly appreciate her vocal talent. I kind of prefer Mayu from Nemophila. But the integration of music, video and lyrics was excellent.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Yeah technology has really come along way. If you go back to watch any old movies we grew up with that technology looks so bad compared to todays.
@guygourley2411
@guygourley2411 Жыл бұрын
@@bobcieslinski With the ending, this certainly was a dramatic song. As you mentioned, it's pretty relentless as well!
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
@@guygourley2411it is relentless. Just all out the whole time at the end.
@PatrickHutton
@PatrickHutton Жыл бұрын
Is there an underlying time signature in this song?
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
It seems like it’s mainly 4/4 but with sections that feel odd but I think that’s just the rhythms they chose.
@whispermason8052
@whispermason8052 Жыл бұрын
Tatiana says "A happy artist is not a good artist. You can get a lot from bad things". They put their experiences into these. You say you like the video. I don't think you've done "I speak Astronomy" by Jinjer. Don't wait too long to do that one. You're missing out on some epic vocals and break downs.
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Thanks whisper. If you have a link send my way please. Thanks.
@whispermason8052
@whispermason8052 Жыл бұрын
one other thing, Jinjer never blocks. They know how they got so well known through youtube kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXvSgXydnJZqi5Y@@bobcieslinski
@matto9734
@matto9734 Жыл бұрын
Don´t forget that this is a Ukrainian band and if you link that to what´s happening there you can hear the pain they are going through too... I so hope that Putin is not winning the war or destroy the whole country as he is trying to. Slava Ukraini!!!
@rasi2020
@rasi2020 Жыл бұрын
Sorry, too many stops - no thumbs up....😕
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
Sorry you didn’t enjoy it but if you just want to watch someone watch it then there’s no substance.
@rasi2020
@rasi2020 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for considering my comment worthy of a reply!@@bobcieslinski
@rasi2020
@rasi2020 Жыл бұрын
Since the days of Covid lockdowns I was watching a lot of KZbin reactors to various types of music - literally hundreds and hundreds. And I've seen really good ones - and I've seen awful ones. Your's is definitely not that bad😉 ... BUT: pausing every few seconds for a comment ruins absolutely the dynamic of the song! Especially of Jinjer songs - and I know them nearly all. To Vortex I have listened quite a few times, and that song deserves to listen to the dynamic of rising tension! So, what I learned of listening to good reactors is: 1. stop not more than two or three times while listening to the song, 2. keep comments while pausing short, 3. NEVER stop when there is a solo (you didn't do this, did you?), and 4. after listening to the end of the song sum all your comments up in a final conclusion. That's the way good reactors do - and if they are real experts in their field (professional musicians) I really could learn something! Of course, you can do what you want - but we can improve what we are doing listening to valid critics, right? I hope you can look at my critic in a constructive way - because it was never meant to insult you!🙂
@bobcieslinski
@bobcieslinski Жыл бұрын
@@rasi2020oh I was insulted. I’m always looking for input and help. I usually avoide stopping during solos. I’ve done videos like you describe and I’ve also talked more in some videos. It just depends on what I think at the time. Sometimes there are things worthy enough to talk about them and it could include stopping more. I’m just trying to do the best I can showing the awesome talent I am seeing in the videos. Thanks so much and feel free to give more opinions. I’m always open to suggestions.
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