Bodenplatte

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@ColinJ88 28 күн бұрын

This book is phenomenal. It got me engrossed with WW2 and the Luftwaffe almost 20 years ago. Highly recommended.

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet 28 күн бұрын

For me it was Donald Caldwell's 1991 book "Top Guns of the Luftwaffe". It was a nice surprise to recently find his 1998 "War Diary" with some corrections and a treasure trove of pilot & aircraft details.

@ColinJ88 28 күн бұрын

@ I believe I read that as well. Was that the one with a foreword by Galland?

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet 28 күн бұрын

@@ColinJ88 Yes. Good memory. Donald Caldwell asked Galland to write a foreword and, in Jan 1991, he did.

@ColinJ88 28 күн бұрын

@@JeffsAirplaneCabinet Thanks for responding. I enjoyed your video. Subscribed. 👍🏻

@scottstambaugh8473 8 күн бұрын

I read that book too. Loved it. It was decades ago, and I loved it. I assume we are talking about the same one…

@Retireddriver 20 күн бұрын

One of my favorite stories from the Operation Bodenplatte was where a ME-109 pilot attacked a US Base and was shot down an Quad 50cal and crash landed near the base , got out of his plane sat down and lit his pipe and waited for the American troops walking towards him to capture him

@jhgvjhnouhmiu Ай бұрын

great video !

@1936Studebaker Ай бұрын

Nice to see that in this video the long nosed FW190 was used, period correct for 1944/5.

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet Ай бұрын

from Donald Caldwell: III/JG 54 was the first gruppe to get the 190D-9 and was still training with them on 7 Nov 1944 not returning to the front until 25 Dec with first combat on 27 Dec. II/JG 26 was the second 190D gruppe and was doing conversion training in Nov(?) and Dec prior to returning to the front with new 190Ds on 17 Dec. Their first combat was on 23 Dec. I/JG 26 flew their first mission in Doras on 24 Dec. Some of the JG 26 Stab trained with D-9s on 25 Dec and it appears their (Priller and maybe Wodarczyk) first combat was Bodenplatte.

@markr.1984 7 күн бұрын

I think there were still plenty of A8 and A9 short nosers around too. But maybe not used for this operation.

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet 6 күн бұрын

Fw 190A-8 and A-9 "short nosers" were used by other gruppen for this mission along with late model Bf 109s. SG 4 flew Fw 190F-8s. KG 51 attacked with Me 262s. Wikipedia/Bodenplatte attempts to give details.

@stevepringle2295 Ай бұрын

The ground attack squadron was SG4. My neighbor Fritz Kreitl flew with SG4. They attacked the aircraft at St. Trond. They made one pass and flew home.

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet Ай бұрын

I wondered about that ground unit. There's a photo of a downed Bodenplatte Fw 190F-8 belonging to the III Gruppe of an unknown geschwader. Guess it was SG 4.

@TedNomura Ай бұрын

Very good video. I usually avoid any video that censors the swastika because it eliminates the reason why Luftwaffe carried them but Army and Navy used the flags with red background for IFF purposes. Garland was hoarding the fighters for one big strike against the bombers and was very angry that they were wasted in a New Year surprise attack.

@michaeldavid6284 Ай бұрын

That would be Galland, not Garland.

@franktreppiedi2208 24 күн бұрын

I saw some swastikas in this video.

@Wim-d5m Ай бұрын

1 januari 1945, practisch het einde van de jagervloot van de luftwaffe voor het westen. De meeste en beste over gebleven piloten sneuvelden. De meest geslaagde aanval was op vliegveld Eindhoven.

@at1970 Ай бұрын

At this point in a lost war, insane orders were still being given and carried out. The definition of crazy.

@emilrydstrm3944 Ай бұрын

Awesome video, please continue this with the bodenplatte missions:) Maybe some of the 9th AF Thunderbolt airfields?

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet Ай бұрын

I don't have details on 9th AF airfields attacked during Bodenplatte. Maybe I could find some for the 365th group at Metz, France which was the southernmost target. Interesting prospect. I do have details on the Spitfire airfield at Evere, Belgium.

@paulbantick8266 20 күн бұрын

Norman Franks 'Battle of the Airfields' is a pretty good book on this action.

@Skans153 Ай бұрын

Interesting and well presented as always Jeff👍

@daviddunsby3617 Ай бұрын

Bullshit it was just animation there was very little information at all very poor very very poor I give 1 out of 100

@rickriede2166 Ай бұрын

Good video. I really doubt that Bodenplatte's failings and the squandering of limited resources impacted anything in respect to the Luftwaffe's ultimate fate. Had it not happened and those resources were applied elsewhere it would not made an iota of difference except perhaps extending the war in Europe and hence the suffering by mere minutes.

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet Ай бұрын

Thanks for commenting. The secrecy of Bodenplatte may have resulted in a higher loss of experienced pilots to friendly fire in a much shorter time period (months?) than would otherwise have occurred following procedures; like notifying flak units and carrying IFF transmitters. Attacking airbases was not part of the Luftwaffe's normal routine at that time and I'd say shortened the average remaining combat hours for experienced pilots compared to how long they might have lasted fighting near or over home territory.

@andrewblackie7170 13 күн бұрын

What I do understand " How do the Germans on the ground not see the planes on the Boldenplatte mission flying over them & alot of them flying low are friendlies ? They shoot down around a quarter of the 900 planes, yeah I know they weren't informed & seeing so many they think has to be allies ( coming from the direction of Germany) right!! Just trigger happy maniacs kindly helping the enemy end the Nazi regime.

@andrewblackie7170 13 күн бұрын

@@JeffsAirplaneCabinet: Absolutely correct friend but what I can't understand is " How did ground troops not see they were friendlies as alot were flying low so should've recognised their own birds before they blew them out the sky " which kindly helped the enemy's job that bit more easier. It was some victory 4 x P47's & 12 x P51's against the Germans 4 v 1 advantage. J.C Myers was they say a leader like no other.

@andrewblackie7170 13 күн бұрын

You have a good point friend but I think even if they applied they resources elsewhere it wouldn't have prolonged the war. Most of the fighters would most probably have been used against incoming bomber missions & taken out by P51 escorts, but just an opinion friend.👍

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet 12 күн бұрын

@@andrewblackie7170 It's said the German friendly fire issues were due to flak operators not being used to seeing large formations of their own forces, and the aircraft had IFF removed as it was a surprise attack that only a few people knew about. You'd think the flak operators would have been notified during the hour or so before their own aircraft returned or there'd be some aircraft visual recognition capability. History shows that once one trigger-happy flak gunner opens fire, the rest of the herd often can't resist opening up. In late 1944, there were some in the Luftwaffe fighter arm that were unrealistically hoping to demoralize and stop the Allied daytime bombing with superior technology jets and a large reserve fighter force capable of locally overwhelming and knocking out hundreds of bombers in a single day. There was a German pilot sense of duty to keep on fighting for the sake of the civilian population. Fear of a Soviet Union occupation may have been a factor and Hitler wasn't going to surrender unconditionally as the Allies demanded. Some in the Luftwaffe may have hoped for a negotiated cease fire with other options being: overthrow a brutal regime, defect, continue to fight the Allies, or face court-martial. Very few pilots defected. Indoctrination they received as Hitler Youth may have also played a part. I'm repeating things from Donald Caldwell's books.

@Retireddriver 19 күн бұрын

I saw a video of where Lt Colonel John Myers shot down an FW-190 while taking off from Y-12 during Bodenplatte

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet 18 күн бұрын

I heard Meyer, as Deputy CO of the 352nd Fighter Group, seemed to have a 6th sense about a German attack following New Year's Eve. As I recall, he discouraged his pilots from drinking and set up a morning patrol. He was probably lucky not to have been shot up sitting in his P-51 on the ground when Asch was attacked. Airborne P-47s distracted the attackers so the 487th squadron was able to just barely get in the air.

@chriswilliams1740 27 күн бұрын

Outstanding!

@eduardobrettas1745 Ай бұрын

Belo trabalho.

@neilritson7445 Ай бұрын

Fantastic - as if I were flying with them.

@Flurb_Xray 12 сағат бұрын

And again the Polish Pilots proofed to be one of the best!

@franktreppiedi2208 24 күн бұрын

You forgot about the 2 ME 262s that were launched that were to make sure every pilot hit a target. If they came back without attacking anything, they were to go back and try again. On the other hand, I didn't know about them being attacked by Allied ships.

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet 24 күн бұрын

I heard on another KZbin channel that the claim "following every squadron (presumably gruppe) was a dedicated Me 262 ..." was never proven. There was no mention of 262s in Caldwell's research of JG 26 missions.

@colinrumary1358 25 күн бұрын

Where are the drop tanks???

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet 25 күн бұрын

@@colinrumary1358Unfortunately the IL-2 Great Battles combat flight simulator doesn't support drop tanks.

@scottstambaugh8473 8 күн бұрын

There is no substitute for welltrained pilots.

@edherman8169 Ай бұрын

One Bren Gunner, and no Number 2?

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet Ай бұрын

Good points. The RAF Regiment had three squadrons at Grimbergen. I don't know how many found access to Bren guns during the 15 minute attack but there were five gunners firing in the video. One of them might have been silenced. All of the German aircraft were programmed to fly in rotten (pairs) in the video but the IL-2 AI don't fly tight formations when the leader is attacking. In some scenes, the wingman can be seen trying to catch up to the rotte leader.

@nikbear Ай бұрын

Really nice presentation, great to watch ❤👌🫡

@daviddunsby3617 Ай бұрын

Rubbish no information on outcomes just animation poor very poor

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet 28 күн бұрын

@daviddunsby3617 Damage and casualty reports for I/JG 26 were provided. What additional outcomes are you suggesting?

@DANFORTHPAPE1 Ай бұрын

What's this in the description that says it was the largest for of German fighters to ever take to the air? Are you kidding?

@JeffsAirplaneCabinet Ай бұрын

I also was surprised by the statement by Donald Caldwell that I repeated. There were large numbers of Luftwaffe fighters during the invasion of Poland, the “Battle of Britain”, Operation Barbarossa, the Schweinfurt raids, and Big Week. On the “Biggest Day” 15 Aug 1940, 1149 Luftwaffe fighter sorties took place spread out over much of the day and were mostly flown by 109s having a 90 min avg flight duration, so it’s unlikely more than 900 German fighters were in the air at the same time. Caldwell’s estimate of ~900 fighters (34 gruppen) taking to the air during Operation Bodenplatte presumably includes KG 51 Me 262s and SG 4 Fw 190Fs. Another source lists the Bodenplatte fighters at over 1000. When do you think the Luftwaffe may have launched a larger force?