Boeing X-20 Dyna-Soar: The Spaceplane With a Silly Name

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@@aceundead4750 Simon and Danny ate the clones last summer.

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@@dancook828 Simon aint gonna risk unchaining them from the basement! Theyre just gonna cry for help.

[@danij5055]

0:47 "We don't publish on Sunday because that is Our Lord's day of rest." Yes, Our Lord and Savior Simon Whistler deserves at least a day of rest given how hard He works to bless us with his videos and his angelic voice. 🙏 Praise be to The Whistler 🙏

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As I keep posting... "All hail, our great lord, Si-mon"

[@philvanderlaan5942]

This video ‘ we don’t publish on Sunday because…. Blah…. Blah …..blah ‘ Every other Simon Whistler video ‘ .. no I don’t because I don’t actually believe in God ‘ Me : for someone who doesn’t believe in God you sure do talk about God a lot , make up your agnostic damned mind

[@danij5055]

@@philvanderlaan5942 Actually no, Simon rarely ever talks about God if it's not relevant to the video. Maybe get your facts straight first.

[@danij5055]

@@philvanderlaan5942 Also, Simon was making a joke. Can you take a joke? Because you seem quite salty.

[@philvanderlaan5942]

@@danij5055 I wish I was salty that is a great complement, but alas my entire military duty was shore duty. As for humor I believe in those immortal words of Leftenant William Bligh ( HMS bounty, also governor of New South Wales ) ‘ Flog them if they can’t take a joke. ‘

[@g-manalt2709]

Imagine a flying Dino soar dropping bombs from space, terrifying

[@GlenHunt]

Bombs that explode upon re-entry and spread rainbows and love over the whole planet. No? Love and pretty colors can be terrifying can't they?

[@ROBINHOOD370]

This is brilliant

[@cavalierliberty6838]

Sky lynx?

[@orionford6675]

A Ptero-nuclear device?

[@theejectionsite1038]

@@GlenHunt the idea was to drop inert solid mass blivets that would devastate due to the speed on impact. As I recall Kelly Johnson wanted to drop 500lb shapes from the B-12 at Mach 3 with the expectation the impact force could take down a building size target

[@DavieTait]

The research that went into the X-20 project was used to develop the Shuttle so the money was well spent in the end , also a lot of the research on X-20 was then used again when NASA went to try and develop the HL-10 lifting body ( you know the one you see crashing at the start of the 6 Million Dollar Man tv series ) and then used again for the modernised HL-20 which was passed off to private company and now called Dreamchaser so the money spend on the X-20 has led to a huge saving over all of the projects that came since

[@tobiwan001]

Well, if you consider the shuttle to be a success that is. Compared to foreign launchers it was unreliable and expensive.

[@DavieTait]

@@tobiwan001 I don't consider the shuttle to be a great success to be honest as it was more expensive to operate than the Saturn V from the Apollo missions and it could only lift around 24t to orbit where the Saturn V could lift over 100t , the design phase of the shuttle was shortened by the X-20 research ( and the HL-10 flight testing ) so the X-20 did save money on shuttle , personally I would've kept the proven Saturn V flying and just developed a larger crew capsule for it along with a bigger propulsion system that could handle a canadarm for doing assembly work on a space station and repairs to the likes of Hubble

[@RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts]

Money not well spent, the Space Shuttle is considered a failure in its original intent.

[@eddiehancockii]

"It still amuses me because I'm a child." Same, Simon. Same.

[@Abelslayer1222]

0:47 did he just call himself the Lord? Well I suppose I do devote about an hour a day to this Man. Lol

[@StevenLockey]

Its the beard, it just needs to be stroked

[@lauriepenner350]

If you're a Christian, your Lord only gets an hour of your time a week.

[@myssie-theanimedevourer5835]

🤣 I heard that too and was like "hmm, okay."

[@caleblarsen5490]

@@lauriepenner350 Christian here. He gets a bit more than that from me. . .

[@paulherman5822]

He and his replicant army do rule media...

[@mgabrysSF]

Well for a Boeing prototype it did lead to the Rockwell Shuttle Orbiter - which became the property of Boeing. So it's full-circle really. Fun side-fact, Starship in it's cargo configuration is being side mission-proposed for low-orbit junk removal which is both overdue and cool as hell.

[@ignitionfrn2223]

2:15 - Chapter 1 - The silbervogel proposal 5:40 - Chapter 2 - Bomber missile 6:55 - Chapter 3 - Development 8:05 - Chapter 4 - The X20 9:55 - Chapter 5 - Testing 10:50 - Chapter 6 - Cancellation

[@hagerty1952]

Oh, wow! One of my favorite topics! Some comments: 1 - Eugen Sanger, it's "Oy-gen" (hard "g"), not "U-gen" (soft "g"). 2 - The name is not silly, it's immensely clever and is derived from "Dynamic-Soaring" (which I'm surprised you didn't mention). If not for this name, it would probably not be as well remembered as it is. Do you remember all the accomplishments of the successful X-24 program? Didn't think so. 3_The politics in this program would make a Tom Clancy hero blanch. The main villain in the story is Robert McNamara, Kennedy's Secretary of Defense, who wanted to run everything by spreadsheet, and never liked Dyna-Soar because it was an Eisenhower administration program. 4 - The R&D that went into the program "pushed the envelope" in so many ways all at once. The aerodynamic and materials research that went into the program was used in whole families of vehicles and programs for decades after. There's a great new book full of inside information (written by an Air Force historian with full access to all documentation): www.arapress.com/dyna-soar-book/ The last chapter, in particular, details where all the technology wound up in sometimes surprising places.

[@prsklenar]

Came here to mention Dynamic Soaring and the book. Nice write up Jack!

[@hagerty1952]

@@prsklenar - These posts seem to find me. I wonder why?

[@SpacePatrollerLaser]

I was in my early and mid-teens when that was first proposed (1959-63). Dyna-Soar was a telescoping of DYNAmic SOARing, a $25 dollar term for boost-glide, the attraction of which was that the abbreviation as used sounded cool to a 13 year old boy. The bouncing of the atmosphere's edge is called "skip glide" and is the same idea as "skipping" a flat stone over the surface of calm water by throwing it at a low angle

[@miguelboewing9612]

Can you make a video about the Hermes the European space shuttle ?

[@fvckyoutubescensorshipandt2718]

7:25 LOL at the BB-style meme.

[@owenshebbeare2999]

What's a "BB-style meme "? Got no idea.

[@fvckyoutubescensorshipandt2718]

@@owenshebbeare2999 Business-Blaze style, one of his other channels.

[@Donjuanthesecond]

It’s the original Virgin Galactic, could have been called the Virgin-o-sore

[@TheBooban]

With Bransons flight coming up, a vid on Virgin Galactic to follow this up would be perfect! Hint hint!

[@twizz420]

uhhh I think you mean "virginosaur" unless you're talking about a virgin with blueballs

[@madrabbit9007]

I was just thinking the Virgin Galactic space plane is a near carbon copy of the Dynasaur and should have been mentioned.

[@Viper-dn8ix]

Still waiting and hoping for you to cover Denver International Airport. One of the biggest in the world (second actually), among the busiest passenger airports worldwide, and surrounded by controversy, conspiracy, and some cool buildings. Oh and a massive blue horse statue nicknamed "Bluecifer" since the sculptor was killed while working on it.

[@thanksfernuthin]

You really need to get to the F-15 and F-16 at some point. They were VERY BIG DEALS for a VERY LONG TIME.

[@Viper-dn8ix]

Still are. It's telling that the USAF is investing in the F-15EX.

[@thanksfernuthin]

@@Viper-dn8ix Whole videos could be done on all the amazing upgrades they did to them over time.

[@ghostindamachine]

At 08:35 it is mentioned: a range of 41000 kilometers, which is 3.5 times around the equator. This is incorrect. The equator or the circumference of the Earth is 40500 kilometers. So, this craft could go around the entire Earth once and not three snd a half times.

[@alfretwell428]

Also at a speed of 17,500 mph (5 miles per second) you are at orbital speed, which means you can go round the earth as many times as you like!

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

Dyna-Soar is from *_Dynamic Soarer_*

[@olsonspeed]

I saw the large scale model of the X-20 at the NASA Pavilion Seattle Worlds Fair 1962. The X-20 remains one of my favorite spacecraft, it seemed a waste to not have completed the space plane considering how close it was to completion.

[@rick67hou]

One of the few channels that I thumbs up before I even start the video.

[@danlittlejohn1913]

Simon! 40082km is the distance around the equator. 41000km just makes it around once. But awesome video as always. Thnx

[@matposton87]

Dyna-soar is short for dynamic soaring. I didnt hear Simon mention this

[@christobalcolon6601]

"We can rebuild him. We have the technology."

[@x15galmichelleevans]

Does seem like a weird thing to leave out when his title talks about the "silly name" of the vehicle.

[@junglelane]

I enjoy your natural giggles these days. Often they are from my country and the cold war, but still enjoy them in your videos.

[@coltonburge1450]

At the 0:50 mark, simon said Sunday's is the lord of KZbin channels day of rest

[@starsoffyre]

7:30 Did Sam sprinkle in this fine vintage meme?

[@gallum4083]

Yeah yeah Simon, but what about the Convair B36 Peacemaker? SIX TURNIN FOUR BURNIN WOOT WOOT

[@gapratt4955]

For the unreliable B-36, crews reported engines "2 turning, 2 burning, 2 smoking, 2 choking, & 2 unaccounted for.".

[@ronniedelahoussayechauvin6717]

Simon, Pratt March 3 2017 Hmmm

[@ronniedelahoussayechauvin6717]

Car Crash May 14 2017 (Mother’s Day) was that RESEARCHED & DEVELOPED😳

[@gallum4083]

@@ronniedelahoussayechauvin6717 what are you on about?

[@kaikaiser21]

Nobody else caught the "around 3.5 times around the equator" bit @8:40? The equator is just under 25k miles. So if it's max range we're to be 25,000 miles it would have only made it 1.004× around the equator. You're welcome Simon.

[@owenshebbeare2999]

He reads the script. Blaame the American scriptwriters and editors, and the chronic issue Americans have with maths and metrics. Oh and the passive-aggressive "you're welcome" is just an arrogant American affectation.

[@kaikaiser21]

@@owenshebbeare2999 your entire reply was passive aggressive so that last bit was just the pot calling the kettle black. Also americans problems with math and metrics? Last I checked the majority of the world uses the metric system but only one country has set foot on the moon. Albeit I personally prefer the metric system as opposed to American standard.

[@donaldbadowski290]

It wasn't just the Dyno-Soar, it was also the X-20, and experimental follow-on to the X-15. It started as a NACA (later NASA) project. It didn't have to be used as a weapon, anymore than the X-15 was, which it wasn't. The goals as far as NASA was concerned was to test an aircraft flying at sub-orbital speeds, reentry, etc. As for why it got cancelled. Project Mercury. Congress took a look at X-20 and asked why we needed two space vehicles, especially when the Mercury capsule was already flying. NASA engineers could talk themselves blue in the face about how the Mercury capsule was a cannonball, where the X-20 was a real, reusable spacecraft that could land were you wanted it. Congress doesn't worry about that. It's members worry about elections.

[@nathanmadak3309]

The disappearance of the dyna-soars remains a mystery

[@gapratt4955]

Another program that eliminated the need for the X 20 was Keyhole. One of the missions of the X 20 was to provide the transport to and from the Manned Orbital Laboratory, a manned spy satellite disguised as a science mission. When that idea was replaced with autonomous satellites and with the moon mission becoming higher priority, "Boutique" projects like this were scraped. Wanna know if this was feasible? Basically this was to be a more refined X 15.

[@BrandonKent136]

Just a quick heads up... you can't just directly translate a velocity to a mach number unless you know the altitude it was achieved at. For instance, mach 2 is way slower at 50,000ft than it is at 1000ft.

[@ChickenLiver911]

It’s possible it was all set at ground speed as opposed to airspeed.

[@keeganpenney169]

You should do a megaproject or side project on the new york Citigroup center repair if you haven't already. Supposedly such a huge design flaw that it could have cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

[@paulkingsley3238]

How about a video on Grand Coulee Dam and the Columbia Basin Reclamation project

[@WhiteWineGaming]

I got into this channel a few months ago and I can say it’s one of my favourites now. I constantly shell my friends with links to your content.

[@MrWeezer55]

I got my wish! I wanted a vid on Dyna Soar and you delivered! Thanks!

[@thepagnaet6361]

No mention of Sierra Nevada's Dreamchaser, which is very much the same concept, and may fly next year.

[@michaeldelaney7271]

Maybe I missed it but did you mention the MOL (Manned Orbital Laboratory)? In those days it was said that the Dyna-Soar would service the MOL (which also was cancelled).

[@spittlemetimbers5939]

Thank you Simon.

[@vaughanellis7866]

A Boeing X-20 type craft was highlighted in the 1969 film 'Marooned' which was called the X-RV for eXperimental Rescue Vehicle.

[@dalemartin8475]

I'm confused I thought it was 24000 miles around the earth's equator and 25000 is three times that distance?

[@Nextempus]

Yeah I think the writer got diameter and circumference confused

[@ethannorton564]

If you're in an orbit around the equator the circumference of a perfectly circular orbit is larger than the equator

[@philvanderlaan5942]

@@Nextempus I agree circumference and diameter . Simon you had one job to do! , give us something to give you shit about! Keep up the good work ! 👍👍👍

[@sterfry8502]

Thank you for the miles and MPH measurements! Appreciate it!

[@ethannorton564]

I'm surprised you never mentioned the Dream chaser in this video it's an x-20 dyna soar derived vehicle that is supposed to resupply the space station. PLEASE do the Soviet VENERA program the buran shuttle and the sls

[@clarencehopkins7832]

Excellent stuff bro

[@MichaelEilers]

Hey Simon, why not do a megaprojects on the FLIP, the Floating Instrument Platform from 1962, an amazing sea vessel that purposefully “sinks” its forward half and stands the aft section up vertically for ocean study. Check it out!

[@IAmTheAce5]

With Simon's sense of humour, did he get to the 'Boeing' joke yet?... BO(E)ING! BO(E)ING! BO(E)ING!

[@mashrien]

Ah yes, Sunday, Simon's day of rest While the rest for us is binging the 82,714 videos he uploaded that week

[@samuelfariss1401]

I am a child of the 50's. I remember how bitterly disappointed I was when the X-20 was canceled. It seemed to be the next logical step from the X-15.

[@hifinsword]

The X-15 project came from the X-20 project, not the other way around. The X-15 was one of the programs to come out of the X-20 research prior to the X-20 being cancelled.

[@texhill686]

A while back you talked about a possible f35 video but may I request a video on the locked f22 raptor?

[@boglenight1551]

Simon is KZbin God and he’s not even trying to hide it.

[@blink182bfsftw]

Reading the Wikipedia page and stock photos makes you a KZbin God?

[@boglenight1551]

@@blink182bfsftw Having multiple channels with huge audiences makes you a KZbin god. When you do that you’ll also be a KZbin god, best of luck.

[@reddo84]

have to say, best channel out there... well done

[@itarry4]

I'd imagine when they cancelled the program they took the tech that was still viable and worthwhile to a new program or other program's so its expense wasn't totally wasted.

[@ScribeHolder]

The concept that I use for ksp!

[@JonMartinYXD]

SNC Space System's Dream Chaser - a lifting body spaceplane launched on top of a booster - is the latest descendent of the Dyna-Soar. Minus all the bombing and satellite sabotage stuff.

[@lenny5774]

7:20 right there with you, Simon!🤣

[@pauld6967]

Simon, the name that amuses you so stands for DYNAmic SOARing.

[@ovlivion81]

Can you make a video for the Thames Estuary sea forts

[@lizloeffler882]

Discovered your channels a few weeks ago and I'm blowing through all your videos! I don't think I've seen a video about it; not sure if this is better for Mega or Side projects but would love to see a video about how the flow of the Chicago river was permanently reversed, by humans! I believe it's the only river that flows "backwards."

[@StevenEverett7]

Interestingly, there was a series of juvenile books written by Donald A. Wollheim written back in the early 60s titled Mike Mars Flies the Dyna Soar. These books were quite well written for the time by a very popular SF author. Yes, I did read them. Cheers, Steve

[@willmfrank]

Fun Fact: DAW Books takes its name from Don Wolheim's initials.

[@StevenEverett7]

@@willmfrank Yes. Don ran that publishing company for many years. I believe his children took over after he retired. They published many good SF and Fantasy stories. Cheers, Steve

[@leftcoaster67]

Just like the X-33/Venturestar they pulled the plug at 90% spent. Should have completed it, just as a test project.

[@CartoonHero1986]

Simon says (lol): Enemy Satellite Sabotage My brain pictures: The scene in the Simpsons when Homer says all he really did in space was sabotage MIR and they show them using the shuttle to just back into MIR repeatedly smashing it while the Cosmonauts yell at them in Russian.

[@MyMarsham]

My brain now pictures the ant colony being smashed, and the ants floating around chittering “FREEDOM! HORRIBLE FREEDOM!”

[@CartoonHero1986]

@@MyMarsham "Protect the queen!" "Which of us is the Queen?!?" "I am!" "No you're not!"

[@MyMarsham]

@@CartoonHero1986 “…I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords…”

[@jezzter4293]

Hi Simon, great video as always, thanks. Here's a possible suggestion: How are the Mega Skyscrapers demolished? It takes a huge amount to build them, how will they be brought down safely as everything is sooner or later. Cheers

[@bent3084]

How about the NASA crawler transporter?

[@seanmckee8382]

Because i'm a child! I love it🤣

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

That German plane sounds a lot like the spaceship from When Worlds Collide.

[@beeeeeeeeeeeeep1]

How about a video on Wembley Stadium?

[@michaeld.tolbert8542]

Simon you should do a follow-up video on the "Dream Chaser."

[@pouncepounce7417]

I do not really like to think of money "lost" if an project is chancelled, for one it can be as interesting why somethign does not work, as much as tooling and technology developed for that project is often in use for other projects down the line, sometimes even many decades later. Key is to remember that you once did something in that line and keep the toys you made in storage.

[@frankgulla2335]

Thanks for the quick review of this fascinating but ill-fated project.

[@spritemon98]

Praise to simon!!

[@jasonleahy5543]

I wonder if you could consider a video about the history of single stage to orbit spacecraft including the British skylon space plane and Reaction Engine SABRE hydrogen air breathing rocket that will burn using oxygen in the air up to Mach 5.4 and travel up to Mach 25 with liquid oxygen , sadly Reaction Engines study for the European Space Agency in 2020 concluded that SABRE rocket spacecraft should now be two stage.

[@metalhead2670]

Dyna-Soar, Dinosaur, don’t worry about they are both super cool and very interesting if they were around today

[@allgood6760]

Thanks for this. 👍🇳🇿

[@jezzter4293]

Simon reminds me of The Matrix "He is a virus, he invades our world. I can smell his Rotten Badger, it disgusts me" LMFAO Much love from Mr Anderson :-)

[@deepblueskyshine]

Realy far from being german or native english speaker, but Eugen Sänger reeds something like Oyggen Zengger, Irene reeds something like Irrenneh and Silbervogel like Zilberrfogel.

[@stonerazboi18]

I'd love to see a video about ITER.

[@djse7en1976]

I would hope you would do a megaprojects on the WW2 UK radar system it was a huge mega project, pun intended. Keep up the great videos Simon.

[@irrelevantcheese8623]

Do the mug 105 spiral

[@dazsmith3201]

Dyna-Soar - stands for DYNAmic SOARing

[@frankwrogg2515]

Showcased in the movie marooned if I remember right.

[@michaelmills5972]

The name still amuses me, and I first heard it in high school, back in the early 70's...

[@Biker_Gremling]

It's the proof we engineers have a sense of humor. It's not a good sense, but at least we have hone.

[@thegreenpickel]

Simon, your side channels have side channels. Carry on.

[@604116]

My father worked on this for Boeing in Seattle. I still have a folder of promotional art and diagrams he saved from it.

[@theejectionsite1038]

Nice! I have a book of circuit diagrams, a circuit box that came from the same source claimed to be part of the electronics they were working on, and a piece of molybdenum sheet that was sold as scrap by Boeing at some point. The book is clearly real, but there is no way to determine if the circuit box is at all related to the program. It came from a seller who said they were sold together at an estate sale. I also have books and artwork and photos I've collected over the years, and have been 3D printing a version for my desk

[@loke6664]

Among the 3 America bomber projects, Sängers were the most futuristic and unrealistic of them. The real shame is that US didn't pick up the one project that actually were test flown, the Horton brothers project. It is unlikely that the Horton flying wing would have reached New York and back again but the plane looks bloody close to a B-2 bomber and while one of the test flights crashed due to an engine failure it was actually in working order already by the end of the war even if it never became in operations (20 were ordered but it was far too late to get them into the war). So if US had hired in the Horton crew they could have produced stealth bombers in the late 40s, or England for that matter. I am shocked no one paid them tons of cash and hired them. The last surviving prototype is amusingly in the Smithsonian museum. Werner Von Brauns project was a bit more far fetched but it was not totally unlike his Saturn rocket, it would have taken years to complete with more resources then he had at the time. Sängers project were probably around 20 years from completion so I am surprised that was the one US was initially interested in. It was way too optimistic at the time and probably a bit too optimistic for the early 60s too.

[@Toadaboticus]

The amount of money Boeing spent on just this and the Aerospike engine project before 1965 alone was more than the Gemini, Mercury, Voyager and Pioneer Space Programs. Roughly over half the cost of the Apollo Program. Needless to say, Boeing sold Aerodyne soon after.

[@nonyabiz6036]

Can you do a video on the McKinley laboratory

[@IconoclastAl]

This coffee has been sipped.

[@davidincalifornia3711]

Hey Simon! It would be awesome to see you guys do a video on the US Air Force's MOL project! Another fascinating project cancelled by the government.

[@karlemahler6317]

Not to be to pedantic but Dyna-Soar stood for Dynamic Soaring, the method used for generating lift. It's a 60's thing.

[@tyroberts2261]

We’re Americans. We don’t waste money, we spend it adventurously. 👨‍🚀 take it from someone who starts his bad mood on April 15th and lasting about a week.

[@Shad0wBoxxer]

Dude…. Come to canada…. All of april 2020 we made clouds

[@sskues1]

Can you look at the Boeing 818 plane. Thanks

[@emjackson2289]

Just think, the X20 could have been the space-life-boat that rescued people from a wounded shuttle/space-vehicle to either Earth or ISS.

[@FatManWalking18]

Amy Shira Teitel has an excellent series on the DynoSoar and early US space flight

[@ronaldtartaglia4459]

Sputnik wasnt a suprise to Eisenhower.

[@UncleManuel]

This concept is a dinasaur of technological history. *bahdummtsss* 😁

[@patricktho6546]

the Space Shuttle could do at least most of it

[@owenshebbeare2999]

@@patricktho6546 Yeah though it was a very expensive programme that never met its proposed service performance.

[@dancook828]

Sundays are for the blaze... Allegedly

[@kingsrook9866]

would you do videos on the Confederation Bridge and SNOLAB please?

[@niteslayer11wjot71]

We need a virgin galactic video now after this! i watched the launch live stream today and it was insane!!

[@entropiated9020]

The Dyna-soar is what the space shuttle should have been if not for the Air Force getting involved and turning it into a giant cargo carrier.

[@GregWampler-xm8hv]

Damn right they ruined it!!

[@danicalifornia505]

Would you do a megaprojects on the foundation of Insulin?

[@twocvbloke]

Looks like they strapped some wings onto a Reliant Robin limo to me... :P

[@Biker_Gremling]

Nobody can launch a Reliant Robin into space. The American realized this way earlier than Top Gear did, all thought must admit they proceeded with the project and launch thanks to Jeremy Clarksons' authoritarian rule.

[@davidvazquez3930]

Is there any place I can find the sources used for this video?